User talk:Elembis/Archive

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Gold standard

Thanks for helping clean up the wiki info. For the dollar values, gold coins were intentionally priced at $100 even though it wasn't the lowest common denominator -- I put more comments at the top of Talk:Trading. --Tycho44 03:04, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Shouldn't this be on his discussion page?--Wifey 06:05, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Ta-da. —unsigned by Lint 04:16, May 18, 2006 (BST)

Wups - Sorry about the mistaken edit. Thanks for creating the weapon breakage / dullage / critical hits / jungle-chopping XP gains page. --Tycho44 18:37, 21 May 2006 (BST)

Shark bites

*ping* On the Animals page you said that Shark bites persist, but this should probably be reported as one of the Bugs. On the Game design page, the first section (Persistent Shark Bites), Simon claims that:

With the changes to the Shaman a couple of weeks ago, the shark bites are no longer persistent. --Simon 21:32, 8 May 2006 (BST)

—unsigned by Tycho44 07:48, May 22, 2006 (UTC)

Got it. I was going by information on Bugs#Not and didn't notice that a change had been made. Thanks! — Elembis 17:06, 22 May 2006 (BST)

Shaman redirects

Re: Shaman. Yeah, my thinking was redirecting the village shaman names to the shaman page since they aren't moving right now. However, I think it is beneficial to keep the wandering shaman articles listed individually so that chronological reports can easily be made and very geeky shaman tracking data can be extrapolated. --Lint 04:46, 23 May 2006 (BST)

You're right, tracking them over time would be interesting and probably insightful. How about redirecting their pages to Shaman and tracking them by commenting out previous date/time information each time the table is updated? The advantages would be that we would have all shaman information in one place and that each sighting would require only one edit. It'd be tricker to update, but not terribly difficult. A few comment tags in the code and an explanation in the article should be enough for most users to understand the process. — Elembis 04:54, 23 May 2006 (BST)

I'm not sure if the current table layout would work because it would become increasingly difficult to dig through the growing commented code to record new data. Will the data be stored under headings for each shaman to allow for quick section edits? --Lint 05:12, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Yes, code clutter could be a problem. I think the best way to limit it would be to leave the current table alone and put a big comment tag under it. It would look something like this (feel free to edit this yourself):

...
|-
|valign="top"| Zakano || {{GPS|70|446|26|453}}<br />00:52, 22 May 2006 (BST)
|}
<!--

PREVIOUS SIGHTINGS (Move replaced GPS/time information to its own line at the TOP of the appropriate list here)

Atok:

Movak:

Pabkim:

Zakano:
{{GPS|70|436|26|492}}<br/>00:44, 19 May 2006 (BST)

-->
</div>
...

This would be accompanied by a note on the article: "When you see one of these [wandering] shamans, please edit this article and move the old GPS and time to the 'Previous Sightings' comment tag that you will see." Even if we don't do this, wandering shamans should get their own section in order to make updates easier to make and also easier to summarize (since edit summaries for section edits automatically start with the section's name).

BTW, I previously changed "coordinates of spring" to "coordinates" because springs are invisible and inseparable from their respective village shamans. Traders, on the other hand, can apparently leave their huts, which is why the related column header on Trader reads "coordinates of hut". — Elembis 05:38, 23 May 2006 (BST)

I was just thinking... We could tear down the existing shaman pages to list only the most recent coordinate and timestamp. Then we hide the past positions wrapped in a <noinclude> tag. We then reference the individual pages using the composite page mechanics on the Shaman page. --Lint 06:02, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Beautiful. If that works, and I don't see why it shouldn't if we use the <nowiki> and <noinclude> tags properly, the current locations of wandering shamans would be shown on Shaman and their rovings (and current positions) would be displayed on their respective pages. That sounds like a great plan. — Elembis 07:31, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Wow, nice work! I removed the Ubermaplink2 template since the GPS template accomplishes that. I also broke the sentence up so it might be easier to just copy and paste the data when moving it into the other section. --Lint 08:26, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Looks great! --Tycho44 06:46, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Machete Breaks

Original message: User talk:Wifey#Machete breaks

Admittedly, I didn't think of it until after the machete broke. The machete broke on the second swing, however, so the data is quite accurate. In the future, it should be easier to remember to add my two cents in.--Wifey 02:49, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Response: User talk:Wifey#Machete breaks

Capitalization and article names

Original message: User talk:Lint#Capitalization and article names

Hah. Yes, I had a sudden urge to change the capitalization when I saw your edit for Tips and Tricks linking to the UI article. But then I was suddenly struck by seeing how practically nothing links to that page and I couldn't really forsee anything else really linking to it in the future. I settled on leaving things as they are for now. I think the current assortment of articles with multiple capitalization - Character Classes, Game Design, Requests for Information, Search Odds Condensed, Tips and Tricks, Trading Hut Stock Reports, and User Interface - are acceptable since they are not as widely referenced as others (though Character Classes might need a Class redirect). I just don't see a pressing need to retroactively enforce the lower-casing policy right now. --Lint 08:48, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Response: User talk:Lint#Capitalization and article names

Please feel free to do so, I see no problem with reasonable article renaming. I guess the Clan categorization needs to be taken care of sooner rather than later as it will be quite a chore to do anything about it in the future. --Lint 09:37, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Links and redirects

Looking at the links on the Writing page is a bit of a nightmare. While they helpfully point the reader to the proper location, they become a little unwieldly when moving pages around. We have redirects for items and terrain, I say we might as well use them. I'm also considering creating redirects for AP, HP, and XP to Gameplay. Sound sensible? --Lint 00:00, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Response: User talk:Lint#Links and redirects

Healing Herb(s)

We must do battle! *draws sword* --Lint 02:31, 28 May 2006 (BST)

First blood: User talk:Lint#Healing Herb(s)

Well, I don't have a real preference for either redirect and won't go out of my way to conform the links to one style over the other in the future. --Lint 02:56, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Search Odds Data Collection format

My request for comments about using tables is the first section of Talk:Search odds condensed. --Tycho44 20:19, 31 May 2006 (BST)

Style

Elembis, I'm not sure if you use the forum, but I've made a proposal to adjust the template code. Since you've had first-hand experience writing an alternative style and a Greasemonkey script, your insight would be appreciated. --Lint 16:44, 1 June 2006 (BST)

Response: User talk:Lint#Style

Trading Hut stock reports

Fuel for the greasemonkey at Talk:Trading_hut_stock_reports#Formatting. --Tycho44 21:59, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Category:Redirects

Well, someone was busy. Thank you for taking care of that. --Lint 18:21, 11 June 2006 (BST)

Discussion locations for delete-marked pages

Original message: User talk:Lint#Discussion locations for delete-marked pages

Prior to utilizing the Category_talk:Delete page as a deletion log, I was considering setting something up like Project:Deletions, but it seemed too formal (and like too much work). But the argument that a hub would reduce unnecessary page creation and be easier to keep track of makes sense. Feel free to start it up, if you'd like. --Lint 01:41, 12 June 2006 (BST)

How to capitalise skill names like First Aid (vs first aid)

Simon weighed in in favor of all lowercase (except for the first word) when referring to skill names, and he changed the appearance of Shartak profiles and Shartak skill pages to use an all lowercase standard. Since this is also de facto universal wiki standard, this strongly favors switching over to all-lowercase skill names throughout the wiki. Let me know if you have opinions. Thanks! --Tycho44 22:30, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Response: User talk:Tycho44#How to capitalise skill names like First Aid (vs first aid)

New column order available at the Trading hut stock reports

Hooray! my laziness paid off. Thanks for the new table order. :) --Tycho44 23:09, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Re: Shartak Underworld

Wow. That's just the sort of thing that the killers will truly enjoy. --Lint 17:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

This is really great, and should make my upcoming plans a lot easier. Nice one! --Gitboy 18:46, 20 June 2006

Greasemonkey scripts

This service would become invaluable if there was a script to generate buttons on the top-right corner of the profile pages for logging and viewing kills - much like how the Uber Mapper creates buttons for Satellite and Local map.

I've attempted a prototype bookmarklet for those not using Firefox. But while passing in a value for "id" works fine, I'm having a little difficulty getting it to recognize a "log" value through the url.

var manipAddr = document.location.href.split(".");
if(manipAddr[1]=="shartak"&&manipAddr[2].substring(0,4)=="com/") {
  var pid = manipAddr[3].substring(7,manipAddr[2].length);
  location.href = "http://www.philosoph.us/misc/shartak/underworld/?log=" + pid;
}

Hmm. --Lint 18:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it had a bug that prevented it from logging via the URL argument. It's fixed now; sorry about the trouble. My first thought for an accompanying Greasemonkey script was to have a "(log this kill)" link next to the text that appears when you kill someone, but it'd be more useful to have a link like that on profile pages. (A "See logged deaths and kills" button would also be added in that case.) I'm pretty sure two scripts would be required to put links on profile pages and in-game ones, and I don't want to mess with that, so I'll probably just write one script to make the buttons appear on the profile page. — Elembis (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Delete-marked redirects

Redirects marked for deletion (about 75 of them) are cluttering up the deletion page and the deletion discussion, making it difficult to find discussion of possible deletion for pages that actually matter. In my opinion, redirects are pretty trivial and I could take them or leave them (and imho our policy should be informed in part by whether new editors keep trying to add them back after deletion). By comparison, there are proposed deletions of pages that actually have (or historically had) content. Since it's been more than a month for Redirects, I propose that we Keep the Keeps, Delete the Deletes, clean them all off the Category:Delete page, and move on. --Tycho44 05:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)