Category talk:Delete

Valid reasons for deletion

Current policy is to only delete pages and files which have been tagged for deletion for at least one week (see Template:Delete) without being contested on this talk page. (Pages whose deletion requests have been contested may only be deleted if there is a consensus to do so.) Deletions and deletion requests are acceptable for articles, files, categories, and templates in the main namespace with:

• No content or very little content (being under 1,024 bytes in size) (does not apply to categories and templates);
• Inappropriate content, which may include spam, illegal or vulgar content, or any content unrelated to the game; or
• Redundant content, being identical or nearly identical to an existing page that is more widely used.

Redirects, categories and templates are eligible for deletion if they are unused or virtually unused (according to Special:Whatlinkshere or, in the case of categories, the category listing) and have no apparent use or potential. Redirects for common misspellings, abbreviations, and synonyms are acceptable.

User subpages and clan pages may be deleted at the request of the original author if no other users have made major edits to them.

A talk page may be deleted without notice if its article doesn't exist and its content appears elsewhere on the wiki.

Talk page policy discussion

I think it goes without saying that for any page that is deleted the accompanying talk page should be removed as well. It's a process that doesn't require tagging with the Delete template, though that helps point out to administrators that there is a talk page. --Lint 22:22, 18 June 2006 (BST)

Agreed; see my addition above. — Elembis (talk) 16:53, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Redirects

Due to the large volume of nominations, the redirect deletion nominations that occurred on 11 June 2006 will be discussed here. Please leave comments listed under the opening statement. Please leave your vote in the appropriate keep or kill list for better tabulation. --Lint 18:53, 11 June 2006 (BST)

This looks like the place for redirects that are deletion candidates. Is there another place for us to archive the "best of" redirects: Redirects that can be nominated as integral to the current structure of the wiki? For example, I would suggest that all of the skills (e.g. Scavenging), terrain types, character classes, and items in Shartak need at least one redirect, until such time as each term earns its own individual page. --Tycho44 22:00, 13 June 2006 (BST)

Perhaps note those on the Category talk:Redirects page? Is that visible enough? --Lint 22:19, 13 June 2006 (BST)

I dont know why this is an issue. There can never be too many redirects in my opinion. If someone editing an article writes "Advanced Tracking", better if it redirects to Tracking than having a red link. If someone directly enters an address into the url bar of their browser, e.g. if they go to Main Page and replace the words "Main Page" in the url with an alternate capitalization scheme or an alternate wording of an item or skill or group or anything else, better they get a redirect to the relevant thing than an empty page. If someone enters a word into the search box and hits enter, but what they enter isn't the precisely correct capitalization/phrasing/plural of the item or skill or whatever they are looking for, better they get redirected to the relevant article than to a blank page. E.g. If someone hears about the heavy sword in-game, and comes here, types "sword" into the search box, much better that they get redirect to Items (or melee weapons, if it is ever created) so they can read about heavy sword, rather than getting a page full of search results which includes suggestions pages, group pages, and other non-relevant pages. Clan pages should have any necessary redirects if there are variations in their name. e.g. Wicksick headhunters, Wicksick Headhunters, Wiksik headhunters, Wiksick headhunters etc. Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)

First, if someone editing an article links to Advanced Tracking, they miscapitalized the skill's name. Such errors should be corrected in the articles containing them, not accomodated by keeping and creating redirects for every typo we encounter. (That is, the redirect is only needed if the typo isn't fixed.) Second, if someone types in a URL for an article that doesn't exist, they shouldn't get anything; that's what the "Go" and "Search" buttons are for. Servers shouldn't be expected to accommodate URL guessing by users who can just as easily visit the main page and search for what they want. Third, we've already established that capitalization is irrelevant for the "Go" and "Search" functions. Also, I'm rather sure that the only plurals up for deletion are those that are wrongly capitalized, such as Poisonous Berries (which is unnecessary given the existence of Poisonous berries). And finally, searches for phrases with words out of order (such as "york patriots order") are extremely likely to give the correct page (Order of Patriots) as the #1 hit , so redirects are unnecessary for the very few people who might enter such search terms. In short, we shouldn't use redirects for things the "Search" button was made to handle. — Elembis (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2006 (BST)

I just deleted a whole bunch of these, as I had been planning to do in a day or three, at Tycho44's prompting. I don't think I deleted any we hadn't agreed on, but if I did, it's not a terribly difficult thing to fix. — Elembis (talk) 14:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Uppercases

Advanced Tracking, Expert Tracking, Firearms Training, First Aid, Natural Medicine

Not necessarily bad uppercases. Thery are common enough for use with the search bar and the "go" feature. (Note: Per example provided by Elembis, the author has removed their initial Keep vote.) --Lint 19:29, 11 June 2006 (BST))

1. Keep. Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)

1. Kill. "Go" and "Search" appear to be case-insensitive. For example, Native knowledge doesn't exist, but typing "native knowledge" in the search box and hitting "Go" takes me to Native Knowledge (which redirects to Skills). Also, searches for "native knowledge" and "Native Knowledge" give identical results. — Elembis (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2006 (BST)
2. Kill As noted, this redirect has no actual function. The wiki operates correctly without it (using lowercase redirect). --Tycho44 05:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Plurals

Clans, Herbs, Huts, Spirits

Not necessarily bad plurals. They are common terms useful when using the search bar and the "go" feature.

1. Keep. --Lint 18:53, 11 June 2006 (BST)
2. Keep. I made all of these deletion requests without "Go" in mind. Plurals are indeed useful enough to be worth keeping. — Elembis (talk) 20:37, 11 June 2006 (BST)
3. Keep Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)
4. Keep The term herbs is extremely common, far more likely than herb. --Tycho44 05:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

1. Kill

Common

Sword, Trading post

Ingame terms or conceivably common player-used alternatives.

1. Keep. --Lint 18:53, 11 June 2006 (BST)
2. Keep. The game itself says "It looks like this hut is some kind of native trading post", at least in Raktam, and "sword" is a close synonym for "heavy sword". However, I think we should be careful to only allow articles for terms that are actually used by the game or other players, rather than open the door for all terms players might use as synonyms ("shop", "market", "merchant's store", etc.). — Elembis (talk) 00:49, 12 June 2006 (BST)
3. Keep Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)
4. Keep Perhaps some obscure redirects might merit deletion, but only on a case-by-case basis. Any terms that are in common use (whether in-game or in forums) should be linked to their meaning. That's what the Shartak wiki is intended for! --Tycho44 05:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

1. Kill

Clans 1

RE, Mercenarys Guild

Clan acronyms and workarounds to punctuation (periods, apostrophes and so forth) should be acceptible.

1. Strong Keep. --Lint 18:53, 11 June 2006 (BST)
2. Keep Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)

1. Kill

1. Whatever. =) — Elembis (talk) 00:49, 12 June 2006 (BST)
2. (no opinion). --Tycho44 05:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Clans 2

Order of York Patriots, The Order of Patriots, The south shartak trading company, The Wailers, York Patriots,

A bit spammy perhaps, but they help mainly with use with the search bar and the "go" feature.

1. Keep. --Lint 18:53, 11 June 2006 (BST)
2. Keep Arminius 18:19, 14 June 2006 (BST)

1. Split. Redirects consisting only of a clan's name prefixed by "The" are okay and likely to be searched for, so we should keep The Order of Patriots and The south shartak trading company (moving it to The South Shartak Trading Company). However, we should kill greater deviations like Order of York Patriots because they are (1) probably searched for rarely, if at all, (2) extremely likely to give the correct page as the top hit in a search if the redirect doesn't exist (e.g., search for "order of patriots york" or "headhunters wiksik"), (3) likely to point people to the wrong clan page, or be contested, without a vagueness limit (e.g., does "york protectors" refer to the Colonial Police or the Order of Patriots?), and (4) likely to cause additional (if limited) article bloat as more clans are formed. — Elembis (talk) 00:49, 12 June 2006 (BST)

1. (no opinion). --Tycho44 05:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

1. Kill

Added

1. 00:07, 12 June 2006 - Category:Clans for both
2. 11 June 2006 - Shartak Community Portal (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
3. 11 June 2006 - York Patriots (redirect) *
4. 11 June 2006 - XP Gains (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
5. 11 June 2006 - Wild Boar (redirect)
6. 11 June 2006 - Wifey (redirect)
7. 11 June 2006 - Trading post (redirect) *
8. 11 June 2006 - Trading Hut Stock Reports (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
9. 11 June 2006 - Tips and Tricks (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
10. 11 June 2006 - The south shartak trading company (redirect) ~
11. 11 June 2006 - The order of patriots (redirect) ~
12. 11 June 2006 - The order of Patriots (redirect) ~
13. 11 June 2006 - The Wailers (redirect) ~
14. 11 June 2006 - The Order of Patriots (redirect) ~
15. 11 June 2006 - Temple Ruins (redirect)
16. 11 June 2006 - Tasty Berry (redirect)
17. 11 June 2006 - Tasty Berries (redirect)
18. 11 June 2006 - Sword (redirect) *
19. 11 June 2006 - Suggestions/Header (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
20. 11 June 2006 - Spirits (redirect) *
21. 11 June 2006 - South shartak trading company (redirect) ~
22. 11 June 2006 - Small Deer (redirect)
23. 11 June 2006 - Small Cave (redirect)
24. 11 June 2006 - Sigfrid (redirect)
25. 11 June 2006 - Sharpening Stone (redirect)
26. 11 June 2006 - Search Odds Results (redirect)
27. 11 June 2006 - S.P.I.R.I.T.S (redirect)
28. 11 June 2006 - Rifle Bullet (redirect)
29. 11 June 2006 - Requests for Information (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
30. 11 June 2006 - RE (redirect) *
31. 11 June 2006 - Poisonous Snake (redirect)
32. 11 June 2006 - Poisonous Berry (redirect)
33. 11 June 2006 - Poisonous Berries (redirect)
34. 11 June 2006 - Poison Dart (redirect)
35. 11 June 2006 - Poison Berry (redirect)
36. 11 June 2006 - Poison Berries (redirect)
37. 11 June 2006 - Piece of Driftwood (redirect)
38. 11 June 2006 - Order of patriots (redirect) (w/ Talk page) ~
39. 11 June 2006 - Order of York Patriots (redirect) ~
40. 11 June 2006 - Order Of Patriots (redirect) ~
41. 11 June 2006 - Mercenarys Guild (redirect) *
42. 11 June 2006 - Large Stag (redirect)
43. 11 June 2006 - Large Deer (redirect)
44. 11 June 2006 - Jabberwockee (redirect)
45. 11 June 2006 - Identify Friend or Foe Initiatiive (redirect)
46. 11 June 2006 - Huts (redirect) *
47. 11 June 2006 - Herbs (redirect) *
48. 11 June 2006 - Heavy Sword (redirect)
49. 11 June 2006 - Healing Herbs (redirect)
50. 11 June 2006 - Gourd of Water (redirect)
51. 11 June 2006 - Gold Coins (redirect)
52. 11 June 2006 - Gold Coin (redirect)
53. 11 June 2006 - Game Design (redirect) (w/ Talk page)
54. 11 June 2006 - GPS Unit (redirect)
55. 11 June 2006 - Frequently Asked Questions (redirect)
56. 11 June 2006 - First aid (redirect) *
57. 11 June 2006 - First Aid Kit (redirect)
58. 11 June 2006 - Firearms training (redirect) *
59. 11 June 2006 - Expert tracking (redirect) *
60. 11 June 2006 - Experience Points (redirect)
61. 11 June 2006 - Contact Home Shaman (redirect)
62. 11 June 2006 - Contact home shaman (redirect)
63. 11 June 2006 - Contact Roaming Shaman (redirect)
64. 11 June 2006 - Contact Home Shaman (redirect)
65. 11 June 2006 - Clans (redirect) *
66. 11 June 2006 - Bottle of Water (redirect)
67. 11 June 2006 - Bottle of Rum (redirect)
68. 11 June 2006 - Bottle of Beer (redirect)
69. 11 June 2006 - Blunt Machete (redirect)
70. 11 June 2006 - Blunt Cutlass (redirect)
71. 11 June 2006 - Basic tracking (redirect) *
72. 11 June 2006 - Advanced tracking (redirect) *
73. 11 June 2006 - Natural medicine (redirect) *
74. 19:51, 9 June 2006 - Guardians of Dalpok (w/ Talk page)

Removed

1. 02:35, 17 June 2006 Elembis deleted "Category talk:Guide to searching" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; recommended for deletion "because :Category_talk:Statistics covers this.".)
2. 02:33, 17 June 2006 Elembis deleted "Category talk:User" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; unneeded (see Special:Listusers).)
3. 02:30, 17 June 2006 Elembis deleted "Category:Shamen" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; recommended for deletion "as an unused redirect and empty category".)
4. 02:27, 17 June, 2006 Elembis deleted "Category:User" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; unneeded (see Special:Listusers).)
5. 02:26, 17 June 2006 Elembis deleted "Category:Guide to searching" (Delete uncontested after on week; unused; deletetion recommended "because :Category:Statistics covers this.".)
6. 02:25, 17 June 2006 Elembis deleted "Image:Stc30yd.jpg" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; description was: "{{delete| because it's unused and unneeded (see User talk:Lord Shade)}}".)
7. 02:24, 17 June, 2006 Elembis deleted "Image:Neu.JPG" (Delete uncontested after one week; unused; description was: "{{delete| because :Image:Hoehle.JPG has a higher resolution and is otherwise identical}}".)
8. 22:29, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Template:Infobox Village" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
9. 22:28, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Category:Clans for Outsiders" (content was: '{{delete| because :Category:Clans for outsiders covers this.}}')
10. 22:28, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Category:Clans for Natives" (content was: '{{delete| because :Category:Clans for natives covers this now}}')
11. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn shipwreck.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
12. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn york.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
13. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn wiksik.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
14. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn raktam.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
15. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn durham.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
16. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn derby.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)
17. 22:26, 7 June 2006 Lint deleted "Image:Tn dalpok.png" (observing week-old uncontested deletion request)