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If you're uploading pictures, please respect the Wiki policy against uploading copyrighted materials.
 
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--[[User:Cheesesteak|Cheesesteak]] 21:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Cheesesteak|Cheesesteak]] 21:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
= Deletions =
 
  
Neil, there's a template for deletion suggestions - Template:Delete - if there are pages you think aren't needed, just add the template to those pages. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 19:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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Keep up the good work. You're Shartak's Wiki guru, as well as its master storyteller. --[[User:Sizzu|Sizzu]] 21:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
  
=Animal page preview=
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Thanks for fixing the date on the [[Kingdom of Wiksik Map]] page! --[[User:Anthor|Anthor]] 00:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
=General Information=
 
Animals can be seen on the game map. They move or attack on their own twice an hour, once at 5 minutes past and once at 35 minutes past, and will also attack reactively (and immediately) each time they are attacked by a player.
 
  
Most animals are passive and will only attack a player actively if the player has attacked them, at which point the animal will attack once every 30 minutes until they are dead, the player is dead, the player runs away, or a different player harms them. Other animals, including elephants, tigers, and wild boars, will attack without provocation. A player who sleeps near such an animal may wake to find that they have been mauled and possibly killed because the animal wandered across their location.
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= Deletions =
  
=List of Animals=
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Neil, there's a template for deletion suggestions - Template:Delete - if there are pages you think aren't needed, just add the template to those pages. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 19:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
The following animals can be found at anytime during the year.  There are also special animals around the island, some can only be found at certain times, or if certain conditions are meet.  These links lead to those animals.
 
 
 
*[[Concealed Animals]] - These animals can never be seen, and the player can't attack them, but they still can affect players.  These can be found here.
 
*[[Special Animals]] - Some animals only come out to play at certain times during the year.  They can be found here.
 
*[[Upgraded Animals]] - Animals that have adjectives like Hungry, Fully-grown, Ferocious or Rogue can be found here.
 
 
 
Here is small description of what the following list tells one.
 
*'''Location Found''' - Where the animal can be most commonly found.
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - The maximum number of hitpoints that the creature can have.  One can find an animal at any amount under this though, as sometimes players don't fully kill an animal.
 
*'''Damage''' - The amount of damage an attack from this animal causes.
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - The bonus the player gets for killing the animal.
 
*'''Accuracy''' - The accuracy of the attacks.
 
*'''Frequency''' - The number of times an animal will attack in a half hour period.
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Whether or not an animal will attack a player if the player hasn't attacked the animal.
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Other information about some animals.
 
 
 
==Alligator==
 
*'''Location Found''' - Swamp, River, Lake
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 25
 
*'''Damage''' - 3
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 18
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 45%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 2
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Can cause bleeding wounds.  Can be upgraded to [[Upgraded Animals#Hungry Alligator|Hungry Alligator]].
 
 
 
==Bat==
 
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Caves
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 3
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 4
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 40%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Appeared for the first time during Halloween 2007.
 
 
 
 
 
==Bear==
 
*'''Location Found''' - Mountain Path
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 30
 
*'''Damage''' - 3
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 18
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 30%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Can cause bleeding wounds?
 
  
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==profile pics==
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[[Image:Character Information.png]]
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[[Image:Personal Information.png]]
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[[Image:Edit Display Options.png]]
  
==Elephant==
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[[Image:Upper Part.png]]
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland
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[[Image:General Stats.png]]
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 60
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[[Image:Kill Stats.png]]
*'''Damage''' - 4
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[[Image:NPC Kills.png]]
*'''XP Bonus''' - 33
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 60%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
  
==Giant Spider==
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==Explain==
*'''Location Found''' - Cave
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 50
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 28
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 55%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Attacks result in poisoning 75% of the time, causing 1 HP of damage for the next three to five actions.
 
  
==Giant Squid==
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So you've revised my changes. As a newcomer to Shartak coming over from other games, I changed that part of the wiki as the start of a slow change to the whole thing. I respect that the fiction is older than my time here, which is why I didn't simply wipe it out, but having character names in it makes the whole game look full of themselves from a new arrival's perspective. As I don't wish to see the whole game sunk due to this (I had encouragement to try it despite that rather poor first impression) I sought to repair it to that the names in the fiction are more generic and accurately describe the skill (I've seen a handful which don't actually match the skill's effect).
*'''Location Found''' - Water, Deep Water
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 450
 
*'''Damage''' - 6
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 153
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Rare
 
  
==Goat==
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Now, to hear the other side of things, can you tell me why I should not do this? I'd rather not have an edit-war with you. [[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 12:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
*'''Location Found''' - Mountain Path, Jungle
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 20
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 13
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 20%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Guard Dog==
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Thank you for explaining why you did what you did.  Most people wouldn't have bothered and tried to have an edit war.  The reason why I had placed names in there was a nod to older characters of the game, and give them some respect for what they had brought.  I never saw it as a putdown for newer players, and in fact I've had some new players say they enjoyed that aspect quite a bit.  Several people have told me how they were excited that they found these actual characters in game.  Which makes me curious as to why you think it makes us look full of ourselves for doing that? Seeing as I spent alot of time on those skill pages, I found it kinda insulting that you went in and changed it like that without discussing it first with me.
*'''Location Found''' - Trader Huts
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 15
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 10
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 20%
 
*'''Frequency''' - ?
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Will attack one if that person attacks the Trader.
 
  
==Large Deer==
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The last thing I would want to do is to deter new players, but I honestly don't see how having names in a sentence or two is deterrent in any way, shape or form.  Now is skill specs are wrong, which some of them have been, I have no problem with people correcting that, or even their own clan pages.  I don't mess with those, only clean them up if the clan is old and has some formatting issues in their page.
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland, River, Lake
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 15
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 10
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Large Stag==
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We could pose this question to the community as a whole and see what they say on the forum.  If a majority of people think it's a deterrent, then we can easily edit them.
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 20
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 13
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 50%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Monkey==
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I'm also curious to these other changes you say you want to implement, and how they will change the wiki on a whole. 
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 10
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 8
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Parrot==
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~Neil Tathers
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 5
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 5
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Can be taught repeating speech patterns, see [[Teaching Parrots]] for more indepth information.
 
  
==Rat==
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Well, thank you for replying nicely. In hindsight, what I did WAS rather rude and you'd have been justified in not wishing to speak with me. Offending you was NOT at all my intent. I simply am trying to help and may have done so the wrong way. I forget sometimes that I'm not as known on this wiki as on others. And I am aware of the pointlessness of a edit war. Aside from wasting both our time, it is the mark of a wikinoob to try edit-war with an older user. I'd rather not have my name marred with such a title. It's impossible to remove.
*'''Location Found''' - Caves
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Aside from that, I've come from another game where the use of player names in skillfiction was forbidden. It was because many people were doing it purely so they keep their "mark" on the game forever and, in some cases, writing up total bullshit and only keeping it because they gathered their clan and ordered them to vote for it. I will watch the link you provided me and if the game as a whole REALLY thinks that the pros outweigh the cons, then I will respect it, no matter what my own attitude towards that is. Perhaps I am simply jaded.
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 3
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 4
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 30%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Will attack in packs.
 
  
==Rhino==
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Now, regarding my changes they are a long-term plan, since it seems that working alone will take me a while to do this, the first is going to be my own hunting of the grammar and spelling errors which seem rampent upon the wiki. I've seen them in both skill descriptions, in clan pages (this one I'll have to request permission before stepping in. I've already obtained permission from the Necromancers guild, so I'll begin there), in fiction (mainly grammar there, but occational simple mistakes such as "their" and "there" being mixed up) and in the guides.
*'''Location Found''' - Grassland
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 50
 
*'''Damage''' - 4
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 28
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 35%
 
*'''Frequency''' - ?
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No.
 
  
==[[Shargle]]==
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The next phase would be changing things to further aid the new readers. The KISS theory needs to be implemented a little here. The newcomer's guide(s) made NO SENSE to me when I first read them until I had an hour-long conversation with an older player (who'd told me and invited me to shartak) over IRC. And still I had to go and actively experiment, a week-long trek through the game's manu tiles, before I fully understood how things in the game worked. Aside from that, I would, if permittable, replace some fiction with ones which accurately describe the skill rather than simply fiction which, while sounding good, does not actually show what the skill does. (Maleviolence is one example of this. When I read it, I first thought the skill gave the user the ability to harm SPIRITS, not cause them to harm the living. Then I read the skill two more times and looked it up on the necromancer's guide before figuring it out). If you're willing to work with me on that, I'll say now that when writing game-fiction, I always use generic names. As above, if the community prefers to use character names, then you'll have to place names into the fiction (since, as a newcomer, I don't know who would fit best).
*'''Location Found''' - Mountain path, but can be found most places.
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 30
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 18
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - ?
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Hatches from an egg.  Causes bleeding wounds.
 
  
==Small Deer==
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I'll continue to explain my objectives as things are ticked off, since this stuff, although only a paragraph thus far, is already quite enough.
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland, River, Lake
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[[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 00:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 15
 
*'''Damage''' - 1
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 10
 
*'''Accuracy''' - ?
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Songbird==
 
*'''Location Found''' - Sacred Space
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 5
 
*'''Damage''' - None
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 5
 
*'''Accuracy''' - None
 
*'''Frequency''' - None
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Doesn't attack even if a player attacks them.  Instead, it does the following actions, "Can chirp an exciting melody, sing a melancholy tune, or chirp and flap a silly display."
 
  
==Tiger==
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I am extremely guilty of grammar and spelling mistakes.  It's one of my weaknesses.  I'm am more than happy if you are willing to go through the wiki and correct these mistakes.  I agree with you about the newcomer's guide, I've never like it myself.  If you can think of a better way for it to present itself, be my guest.  My strength in the wiki s relating past events.
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 25
 
*'''Damage''' - 3
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 13
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 55%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 2
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
*'''Special Notes''' - Causes bleeding wounds
 
  
==Turtle==
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If you want to replace fiction, that is fine, just use the names already in the text.  Shouldn't be too hard to do, but if you wish, I can always insert the names into the text easily enough.
*'''Location Found''' - Water, Beach, Dunes
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 30
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 18
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 25%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - No
 
  
==Wild Boar==
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Also, how do you sign your posts?  I never got the hang the it.
*'''Location Found''' - Jungle, Grassland, River, Lake
 
*'''Max Hitpoints''' - 15
 
*'''Damage''' - 2
 
*'''XP Bonus''' - 10
 
*'''Accuracy''' - 30%
 
*'''Frequency''' - 1
 
*'''Attack Unprovoked''' - Yes
 
  
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~Neil Tathers
  
=Attacking Animals=
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Well, we are all with our flaws. I know quite a few of my own and will seek out aid from others when I need it. It's good to know them.  
When you attack an animal you receive [[XP]] equal to the damage listed for the weapon you used. Killing an animal yields an additional bonus of (5 + ''max HP'') / 2, rounded up (For example, if a monkey has 1 [[HP]] remaining when you kill it with a machete that deals 3 HP of damage, your action gives you 3 XP for the damage and 8 for the kill, totaling 11.)
 
  
Attacking animals is a great source of [[experience points]] for new arrivals to the island, though when lacking any combat skills it is hard even to kill a parrot! It is also done for sport by some, such as the [[Shartak Tiger Hunters]], and the various adventurers who sought or seek the legendary giant squids. Many players use their first several hundred [[action points]] doing little except seeking out and attacking animals, so that they may gain enough experience--and thus skills--to do other things effectively. Beware on the hunt, though, as all animals have been known to defend themselves, and some can tear you apart or stomp you to death very quickly.
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Well, I will certainly come to you if I require information about Shartak's past. I won't pretend I know much about what has happened in Shartak in the past. It's good to know I have someone I can turn to on that matter.
  
==Recommended Supplies==
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As for fiction, I'll try to do that. It's just a simple matter of substitution. I'll just need to remember to put the names in.
When hunting, be sure to take the following items to lengthen your survival time.
 
*First Aid Kits/Healing Herbs - These will cure bleeding wounds so you don't bleed out all over the place.
 
*Machete/Cutlasses - Bring more than one since these do break.
 
*Rifles/Blowpipes - These deal high damage to the animals.  Recommended if you are a Soldier or Warrior.
 
  
==Punching animals==
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Signing posts is easy. Simply imput ~ four times at the point you want your signature. (So ~/~/~/~ without the /, I have to split them to prevent them from activating)
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[[User:Shadok|Shadok]] 00:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  
Sometimes punching a large animal or aggressive one can yield these special messages.
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I as just creeping through recent changes. I'm decently good with coding and can help in that aspect. you can message me on my talk page for help or if its important/urgent hit up my wiki page on Urban Dead. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Mazu here].{{User:Mazu/Signature}} 20:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  
* ''You attack the animal and miss. Suddenly attacking the animal with your bare hands doesn't seem so clever!''
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Thank you to both of you and thanks for your help. [[User:Neil Tathers|Neil]] 22:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
* ''You attack the animal and miss. Pausing a moment to reflect on this, tackling the animal with your bare hands might be considered crazy!''
 

Latest revision as of 22:44, 23 July 2011

Welcome to the Shartak Wiki!

In case you've missed it, the 'Show preview' button allows you to preview your changes before you save - allowing you to make a number of minor changes in a single 'save page', which would be appreciated.

If you're uploading pictures, please respect the Wiki policy against uploading copyrighted materials. --Cheesesteak 21:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Keep up the good work. You're Shartak's Wiki guru, as well as its master storyteller. --Sizzu 21:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the date on the Kingdom of Wiksik Map page! --Anthor 00:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletions

Neil, there's a template for deletion suggestions - Template:Delete - if there are pages you think aren't needed, just add the template to those pages. --Johan Crichton 19:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

profile pics

Character Information.png Personal Information.png Edit Display Options.png

Upper Part.png General Stats.png Kill Stats.png NPC Kills.png

Explain

So you've revised my changes. As a newcomer to Shartak coming over from other games, I changed that part of the wiki as the start of a slow change to the whole thing. I respect that the fiction is older than my time here, which is why I didn't simply wipe it out, but having character names in it makes the whole game look full of themselves from a new arrival's perspective. As I don't wish to see the whole game sunk due to this (I had encouragement to try it despite that rather poor first impression) I sought to repair it to that the names in the fiction are more generic and accurately describe the skill (I've seen a handful which don't actually match the skill's effect).

Now, to hear the other side of things, can you tell me why I should not do this? I'd rather not have an edit-war with you. Shadok 12:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining why you did what you did. Most people wouldn't have bothered and tried to have an edit war. The reason why I had placed names in there was a nod to older characters of the game, and give them some respect for what they had brought. I never saw it as a putdown for newer players, and in fact I've had some new players say they enjoyed that aspect quite a bit. Several people have told me how they were excited that they found these actual characters in game. Which makes me curious as to why you think it makes us look full of ourselves for doing that? Seeing as I spent alot of time on those skill pages, I found it kinda insulting that you went in and changed it like that without discussing it first with me.

The last thing I would want to do is to deter new players, but I honestly don't see how having names in a sentence or two is deterrent in any way, shape or form. Now is skill specs are wrong, which some of them have been, I have no problem with people correcting that, or even their own clan pages. I don't mess with those, only clean them up if the clan is old and has some formatting issues in their page.

We could pose this question to the community as a whole and see what they say on the forum. If a majority of people think it's a deterrent, then we can easily edit them.

I'm also curious to these other changes you say you want to implement, and how they will change the wiki on a whole.

~Neil Tathers

Well, thank you for replying nicely. In hindsight, what I did WAS rather rude and you'd have been justified in not wishing to speak with me. Offending you was NOT at all my intent. I simply am trying to help and may have done so the wrong way. I forget sometimes that I'm not as known on this wiki as on others. And I am aware of the pointlessness of a edit war. Aside from wasting both our time, it is the mark of a wikinoob to try edit-war with an older user. I'd rather not have my name marred with such a title. It's impossible to remove. Aside from that, I've come from another game where the use of player names in skillfiction was forbidden. It was because many people were doing it purely so they keep their "mark" on the game forever and, in some cases, writing up total bullshit and only keeping it because they gathered their clan and ordered them to vote for it. I will watch the link you provided me and if the game as a whole REALLY thinks that the pros outweigh the cons, then I will respect it, no matter what my own attitude towards that is. Perhaps I am simply jaded.

Now, regarding my changes they are a long-term plan, since it seems that working alone will take me a while to do this, the first is going to be my own hunting of the grammar and spelling errors which seem rampent upon the wiki. I've seen them in both skill descriptions, in clan pages (this one I'll have to request permission before stepping in. I've already obtained permission from the Necromancers guild, so I'll begin there), in fiction (mainly grammar there, but occational simple mistakes such as "their" and "there" being mixed up) and in the guides.

The next phase would be changing things to further aid the new readers. The KISS theory needs to be implemented a little here. The newcomer's guide(s) made NO SENSE to me when I first read them until I had an hour-long conversation with an older player (who'd told me and invited me to shartak) over IRC. And still I had to go and actively experiment, a week-long trek through the game's manu tiles, before I fully understood how things in the game worked. Aside from that, I would, if permittable, replace some fiction with ones which accurately describe the skill rather than simply fiction which, while sounding good, does not actually show what the skill does. (Maleviolence is one example of this. When I read it, I first thought the skill gave the user the ability to harm SPIRITS, not cause them to harm the living. Then I read the skill two more times and looked it up on the necromancer's guide before figuring it out). If you're willing to work with me on that, I'll say now that when writing game-fiction, I always use generic names. As above, if the community prefers to use character names, then you'll have to place names into the fiction (since, as a newcomer, I don't know who would fit best).

I'll continue to explain my objectives as things are ticked off, since this stuff, although only a paragraph thus far, is already quite enough. Shadok 00:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


I am extremely guilty of grammar and spelling mistakes. It's one of my weaknesses. I'm am more than happy if you are willing to go through the wiki and correct these mistakes. I agree with you about the newcomer's guide, I've never like it myself. If you can think of a better way for it to present itself, be my guest. My strength in the wiki s relating past events.

If you want to replace fiction, that is fine, just use the names already in the text. Shouldn't be too hard to do, but if you wish, I can always insert the names into the text easily enough.

Also, how do you sign your posts? I never got the hang the it.

~Neil Tathers

Well, we are all with our flaws. I know quite a few of my own and will seek out aid from others when I need it. It's good to know them.

Well, I will certainly come to you if I require information about Shartak's past. I won't pretend I know much about what has happened in Shartak in the past. It's good to know I have someone I can turn to on that matter.

As for fiction, I'll try to do that. It's just a simple matter of substitution. I'll just need to remember to put the names in.

Signing posts is easy. Simply imput ~ four times at the point you want your signature. (So ~/~/~/~ without the /, I have to split them to prevent them from activating) Shadok 00:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I as just creeping through recent changes. I'm decently good with coding and can help in that aspect. you can message me on my talk page for help or if its important/urgent hit up my wiki page on Urban Dead. here.--Mazu-T-C1-C2 20:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you to both of you and thanks for your help. Neil 22:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)