Game design

This an open forum to discuss game design. These are neither Bugs nor Suggestions (though they may lead to bug reports and game proposals), but points to consider for maintaining balance and consistency.

Combat-centric gameplay

Combat appears to be the most efective way to earn XP. I believe that there must be a means to reward non-combatants more than what healing and chopping vegetation provides. --Lint 04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

• Shouldn't exploring be rewarded? Isn't that why statistics on exploration are kept? --One of many doctors 02:51, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
  • It is, but in a fairly limited manner - chance of getting 1XP for chopping into a d10 jungle block. Of course, what with all the intrepid explorers wandering around, there don't seem to be that many of those right now. --Simon 23:57, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
    • Even worse, the chance of getting the 1XP at all seems terrible. Chopping d10 Jungle is the Book-reading of Shartak. In my humble opinion, chopping max jungle should be closer to 33%-100% chance of 1XP, in order to result in at least as much XP as eating forbidden fruit (farming the poison berry / mango grove; about 4 XP per 12 AP). My XP comes from killing animals ... And a game-wide tally of XP earned would probably show similar overall results. --Tycho44 06:22, 12 April 2006 (BST)
      • (Previous comment was made before the stealth game modification of 1XP chance from chopping jungle - has the chance of gaining XP now been increased to 33%??) --Tycho44 06:40, 15 May 2006 (BST)

And I suppose it's not just an issue of XP, but also recognizing other playing goals. In addition to kills, there should be a log for non-combat-oriented activities like healing, revival, chopping, searching, swimming. This would however require a great deal of variable recording and I'm not familiar with supporting an MMORPG to know what kind of stress that would put on the server. --Lint 20:34, 16 April 2006 (BST)

Slow combat

Base accuracy for a weapon is higher than a fist, which is arguably unrealistic. One assumes that you would be less skilled with a weapon than your own hand. (I recall reading a similar comment to this, but I can't find it at the moment.) --Lint 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

• All characters appear to have a 10% chance to deal 1 damage with punching.
• Knives and Daggers appear to have a 20% chance to deal 1 damage.

maybe it is just the punch only has a ten percent chance to actually doing damage(the text does say missed however), I know if i fought somebody who has a knife(or dagger) in RL they would do more to me than me to them, even if niether of us have any training,ex. Fists are a strange weapon and to actually do any damage with a punch(mainly only at the strongest point in your swing) you have to have some good timing.-- Daylan 02:02, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

I see what you're saying... how about punch 50-70% with a 20-30% chance of inflicting 1 damage after a successful hit, 0 damage otherwise (making it 10-21% but with 3 different messages - miss, hit but don't do damage, hit and do damage). --Simon 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

Let me point out that this isn't really a problem. It's just something that a die-hard realist would try to press. On one hand, you can have Fists as the most accurate weapon until you get weapon skills (which will make the the first levels incredibly painful). On the other hand, you can have weapons as more accurate than fists (which allow new users to quickly become involved in the game). I don't know if I'd have the patience if it took me 70 AP to kill a parrot. --Lint 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

Type Balance

Axiom: Outsiders and Natives should not have a complete advantage over the other.
Axiom: Different, but equal.

Population

Natives are currently outnumbered by Outsiders. --04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)

• The introduction of Pirates as an Outsider character class may further tip the population imbalance without a Native counterpart. --Lint 02:49, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Outsiders continue to greatly outnumber natives by a margin of two-to-one: 651 active outsiders vs. 319 active natives as of May 15 2006. The population breakdown by town and village is not available (and not significant anyway, since at any time characters from a given town will be all over the island). The following is a class-by-class breakdown of active characters as of May 15 2006:

Active Outsiders – 651 (67% of total)
Explorer - 85 (9% of total)
Soldier - 241 (25%)
Settler - 37 (4%)
Scientist - 62 (6%)
Total without Pirates: 425 (44%)
Pirate - 226 (23%)

Active Natives – 319 (33% of total)
Shaman - 117 (12% of total)
Warrior - 121 (12%)
Villager - 43 (4%)
Scout - 38 (4%)

Notes:

• In my opinion, outsiders have very obvious in-game advantages all over the place. Bottles of water are hugely powerful and natives have no counterpart. GPS units are cool and valuable, while the ability to distinguish berries is trivial. The rifle is useful for soldiers, the blowpipe is worthless. Outsider settlements are coastal, which allows new wiki-less players to find their way home without getting lost and also makes signposting easy. Since outsiders are a comfortable choice for most new players, native characters need at least one obvious advantage. (There have been many suggestions, such as poison use or natives always knowing the direction home.) --Tycho44 07:49, 27 May 2006 (BST)
• Outsiders have a large advantage over natives by sheer force of numbers, though this is mitigated by pirates being a somewhat separate group from the non-pirate outsiders.
• On both sides the largest class is the soldier class. On the outsider side this is not out of line with the storyline of the game, as early colonial efforts were often heavily military-based, but it is somewhat out of line with the native side.
• There is an inordinate number of native shamans and pirates. The pirates can be explained easily enough (a fleet of pirate ships crashed and they saw the chance to loot the island), but why would 37% of natives be shamans?

(I'm not bothered by this, Shartak is so stuffed with wailing spirits that attuned natives make sense. The name of the class cannot and should not define or constrain the role that the player wants to play - there are some shamans who explore, others who trade, some who kill outsiders and some who kill their own tribe. --Tycho44 07:49, 27 May 2006 (BST))

• Settlers and villagers remain the smallest groups, despite having the great Scavenging skill available to them. If this lack of settlers/villagers is seen as a problem, one thing to do could be to boost their starting inventory and change their description on the sign up page to something more exciting (it currently says "just your average outsider/native")

Actions exclusive to character type

Actions that Natives by default can perform, that Outsiders by default cannot:

• Can determine the difference between "Tasty" and "Poisonous" berries.
• Can use Blowpipe and poison darts
• Can use Healing Herbs
• Can understand other Natives

Actions that Outsiders by default can perform, that Natives by default cannot:

• Can use a GPS unit
• Can use Rifles and bullets
• Can use First Aid Kits
• Can understand other Outsiders

Class Balance

Axiom: No class should have a complete advantage over the other.

Soldiers and warriors

According to the chart, Soldiers have a slight advantage over other classes in regards to skills. Add to that their high HP, gives them even more of an edge. The only disadvantage they face is the process of searching and reloading ammunition. --Lint 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

Assuming that chart is accurate, the soldier isn't even the most advantageous class among his own group! The scientist has more total skills available then a soldier, and if you give more preference to being able to shoot a gun, then it is important to note how low search rates are, and that ammunition is even more rare. --Jackel 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

The chart isn't complete. I did make some assumptions in possible skills based on what we know about the skill trees, but I don't think that it was wholly inaccurate to do so. --Lint 00:40, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

Shamans

Shamans supposedly don't start with any items and have the lowest HP.

• Counterpoint: Shamans and their outsider counterpart, Scientists, are among some of the highest ranking characters at the moment. Something is obviously working. --Lint 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

What shamen may lack in starting inventory they more than make up for in overall skill potential (seemingly the most of any class). What good is starting with a banana or a few extra bullets by comparison? --Jackel 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

Say What now? Which skill is exclusively shaman? I've seen none.--Wifey 14:58, 8 May 2006 (BST)

At the time of writing, the shaman class seemed to have access to skill trees that other classes did not. Those comments are no longer accurate. --Jackel 19:03, 8 May 2006 (BST)

It is possible that Scientist and Shaman have a slightly higher find rate for items -- there is not nearly enough data to know if something like that is the case. --Tycho44 06:45, 15 May 2006 (BST)

Population

According to the statistics, there is a lack of interest in Villagers and Settlers. --Lint 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

I agree, at this point there doesn't seem to be any overiding appeal for these classes, which logically should be the most abundant, at least with regards to villagers. --Jackel 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

There are currently two more Villagers than Scouts. Settlers currently remain the lowest. --Lint 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)

The introduction of Scavenging makes the Villager and Settler extremely powerful. Currently the Scout and Explorer appear weakest (their higher max AP pool isn't noted on the character class page, and also they might have a lower chance of 'forgetting' without cartography...). --Tycho44 05:48, 8 May 2006 (BST)

That possible cartography-related ability is interesting. Never considered that. --Lint 07:15, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Mechanics

Are there any game mechanics (besides HP, starting inventory, and available skills) that are influenced by your character class? Should there be? --Lint 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

• Inventory size
• Base accuracy
• Base damage
• Search odds
• AP limit

• I have 3 characters and i have more higher search odds with the scientist (3 heavy swords) than the others .. i don't know if it's only a matter of luck or not..--JonesDye 10:08, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

It has since been revealed that Scouts may possess more AP than the other classes. (See Requests for information for more) --Lint 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)