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*what do you know of treasures and the heavy sword?  I am conducting an investigation on the abnormal with items and creatures.  respond ASAP [[User:Nick Boone|nick]] 04:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
==Important!  Truce on Shark Island!==
==Important!  Truce on Shark Island!==

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Old messages are archived at Talk:Royal Expedition/Archive.


  • what do you know of treasures and the heavy sword? I am conducting an investigation on the abnormal with items and creatures. respond ASAP nick 04:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Important! Truce on Shark Island!

Hostilities on Shark Island have been suspended pending discussion of an important new idea - see the forum for details! --Less Than Lethal 18:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The Captain Resumes Parley

I thought I'd posted this earlier today, but I guess it didn't work. In any case I'll try to go over everything I covered before.

Let me preface this by stating that my rejection or adoption of any particular points in your list should not by any means be taken as casus belli, and that debate should be continued until all points of contention are hammered out. My ridiculous and probably inappropriate historical reference would by Serbia's reply to Austria-Hungary's Ultimatum in the Summer of 1914, and I think the historical lesson there is obvious enough that I won't get into it.

+ No person or group other than the RE shall claim control or sovereignty over the Isle, unless they want a war

My first complaint would be to the Royal Expedition's claim of sovereignty over the island in question. First, there isn't even a wandering shaman, much less a village that would serve as icontrovertible proof of a faction's claims to sovereignty. Second, it was my understanding that there was already more than one clan on the island so the Royal Expeditions claim of exclusive "sovereignty" (whatever that may entail) is dubious at best. I also find One of many doctors' comments distressing as they seem to imply that no pirates would be welcome on the island, regardless of clan loyalty, or personal conduct or character. This would be a very serious declaration.

+ All civilians shall be allowed onto the Island, except those who engage in deforestation and environmentally destructive activities.

Kind of goes without saying, although the deforestation bit seems rather harmless. You'll notice that in no way during the original proclamation for New Tortuga was there a clause saying that the crew should assault outsiders. Calling the island a hunting preserve was never meant to imply exclusionary policies to come (tithing, hunting licenses). The "hunting" in question was only going to be of animals and maybe whatever natives that were present. I fail to see the offense in that. Naming it a hunting preserve was supposed to discourage pking as it labeled the island an npc-killing only zone. The entire point was to make the island into the outsider paradise we all seem to intend for it to become.

+ No consumption of alcohol to excess on the Isle

Come on, you can't be serious. I can only interpret this as discriminatory against pirates in general and I ask that it be stricken as such.

+ No Littering

The minute you can find our littering is the minute you can complain about it. We hide it good.

+ No using the island as a base for pirate raids

I am first going to point out that at no time has the Scurvy Crew been a proponent of indiscriminate violence towards outsiders. We have also never held a raid against an outsider camp. The possibility of using the island as a base for raids is also unlikely given its distance from any village. It's at least several days trek to the nearest native village. The absence of any shaman or a hut also excludes the island from being used to support a raid in that way. At best it might serve as a navigational point directing traffic towards another location, and I fail to see the offense in that.

+ No renaming the island

Given any clan's dubious claim of exclusive ownership it seems unfair that all clans and classes be asked to relent to another's name for a place. A similar situation presents itself with the shipwreck. Sure it would be great for us if everyone started referring to it as "The Hell-Born Strumpet" but we're certainly not going to try to enforce such a ridiculous aim. Going to war over naming rights is an act that's completely out of proportion to the imagined offense. Any significant geographical point in the world has a half a dozen names at least. My example would be calling Scotland "Caledonia," "the Highlands" or whatever. Why should the largest island surrounding Shartak be any different? If anything it adds to the mythos of the place (which is already pretty crazy-go-nuts with the story written in the sand all around the place). What could be more fitting for an island that has the potential to be an outsider paradise?

Now for the most important point of contention. As I said above, at no point has the Scurvy Crew been directed to assault outsiders. The original New Tortuga declaration continued this policy. There have been reports, however, that Scurvy Crew members have been pked by Royal Expedition members and other outsiders on the island. I would ask that the Royal Expedition reestablish the rule of law among its own members and reaffirm its policy of welcoming guests to the island. If specific evidence of unprovoked attacks by Scurvy Crew members is produced the parties concerned will be disciplined according to the precedent set by The Case of Mr. Badhammer. I would ask that the Royal Expedition agree to do the same.

I had planned to go to Dalpok with The Jolly Roger Gang for their raid, but instead I'm coming back to New Tortuga, Shark Island, Discordia (sp? not sure if that's what they call it) with hopes that this visit will be met in good faith.

There, that's the end of my overly formal The Godfather boardroom scene impression. I hope to hear back from you soon. Tyler Whitney 17:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The Scurvy Crew Of the Hell Born Strumpet

What follows below is the Ship's Surgeon's attempts to mediate in the Captain's absence.

I am Captain Dan and have the honour to be the Ships Surgeon of the Hell Born Strumpet. Despite what ye think of us, we are honourable. We wish to make the Island that yeselves and the Cult fight over a wildlife preserve for everyone, but especially Pirates. We hope that ye will not hurt a member of our crew while we are there. We are the largest group in Shartak, and our Captain dosn't normanly respond well to threats and attacks. Thanks and reply as soon as possible. Captain Dan

The senate is currently debating our position on this matter, and will reply as soon as a consensus has been reached. Less Than Lethal 21:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I doupt warfare would benefit either side. We've rejected raids on outsiders unless provocked and have turned our attentions elsewhere. I be not the Captain, so I doupt I can control the crew unless the Captain steps in(Which I doupt. He is far to busy, thus why I handle these things out of my own initive.) Don't start war on us, for your sakes as much as ours. Her Majesty can keep the isle, as long as She grants hunting rights to everyone(especialy pirates.) I await ye answer... Captain Dan

Maybe I thrased that statement wrong. We do not want the Island, we want hunting rights for it. How does that sound? Captain Dan

Here's a first draft of the local laws for the island, violation of which will be punishable by death and exile:

+ any civilian allowed onto the Island, so long as they dont go on some sort of mad tree-felling ramage like that G3N fellow does

+ no person or group other than the RE to claim control or sovreignity over the isle, unless they want a war

+ no person or group to attack RE members or civilians, unless they want a war

+ no consumption of alcohol on the isle

+ no littering

+ no using the island as a base for pirate raids

+ no renaming the island, dammit

These aren't yet finalised, but let us know what you think. -- Less Than Lethal 21:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

No way in all of Shartak ill we stop drinking! I'm not one for rum, but the others, well... They seem in order. Gandhi killed me on my first visit to the isle. I would like to know why. Here are our rules:

+ kill any of us and blood will fly~(self defense is ok, but the offender will not recieve punisment from us if you kill them.)

+You pronounce that the isle is a hunting preservation for the peoples of Shartak.


Other then that, fine! Please contact my Captain( Tyler Whitney) with the final draft. I can not stop the Crew from killin yet. To make sure of this, you have to contact the Captain. I can't get hold of him recently. Captain Dan

As to the reason I killed you: when you arrived on the Isle you destroyed the sign at the no violence zone, a symbolic gesture I did not take lightly. In regards to your new rules:

  • The Royal Expedition wishes the Western Isle to be free to all citizens of Shartak; therefore, designating the Island as a hunting preserve would discourage access to it and promote unhealthy aggression.
  • The first-strike clause I find perfectly acceptable
  • We all enjoy a little fine wine in the evenings; however, drinking to excess is entirely of another matter.

In its revised form, out rules stand as:

+ All civilians shall be allowed onto the Island, except those who engage in deforestation and environmentally destructive activities.

+ No person or group other than the RE shall claim control or sovereignty over the Isle, unless they want a war

+ No person or group to attack RE members or civilians, unless they want a war (This clause has been amended to include members of the Scurvy Crew and other groups)

+ No consumption of alcohol to excess on the Isle

+ No using the island as a base for pirate raids

+ No renaming the island (this includes "New Tortuga") Gandhi 13:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Neither me, you or the Captain can stop them from drinking. I myself perfere a mix of mango and leman juices(keeps me alert.) New Tortuga was the name of our operation and the island shall be known to the masses as "Shark Island", but too us as Tortuga. I have tried to convince the crew that we should not fight, but... This is not a threat, don't think of it as that. Consider this a discouragment to war: We outnumber. We are stronger. We would win. And, if the Captain orders, these negotiations will have been for nothing. If he wants the isle, I will me at the front of the charge. But hopefully it won't come to that. As I said, try to contact the Captain. And by the way, I meant no personally offense to your group by the destruction of the sign. Mere sword practice. Captain Dan

  • Your threats do not amuse us "Captain". You're only level 21 and yet you're still the 2nd in command so I hardly see how you're pirate crew can be "stronger" then us. As for the outnumbering part, if you cannot control your crew then what guarantees are there that they'll even show up at the right island? These two factors combined lead me to believe that you wouldn't win any engagement with the RE. We don't want to fight you and you don't want to fight us. Go raid native villages instead. There's nothing for you to do on the island anyways. No hidden treasure, no hidden booze, no hidden weapons, and no magical animals to hunt. I repeat that the island is open to all. I don't quite understand what it is that you pirates want but I think you're just itching for an excuse to fight. If that be so then take your fight elsewhere because we're not interested in war. --One of many doctors 21:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

draft of an NPOV entry for the islet/island

I have attempted to draft what I hope is a relatively neutral-point-of-view entry for the wiki that links to both the Shark Island and La Islet Bonobo pages. I have tried to keep it relatively sparse and to link to the more detailled pages, rather than trying to encompass everything on one page (and inevitably leading to both groups feeling disatisfied that their position has been unfairly represented). I would appreciate your criticism and/or editiorial modifications.Anothertwilight 02:42, 5 May 2006 (BST)


Evidence of DCC member killing "peaceful" RE member Morgan Freelance! The DCC must be stopped!:Evidence

The despicable (although peculiarly honourable) members of the DCC have offered 'Terms of Engagement';
That given that the conflict revolves around ownership of Shark Island (called by some La Islet Bonobo) that any violence remain restricted only to said island.
The Royal Expedition recognises the wisdom of not embroiling the innocent in war and so affirm the Terms and agree to be bound by them.


Members of the Royal Expedition,

As you are the operators of the only Outsider hospital, I have a question for you. My scientist character, James Barnes, will shortly be opening a hospital in Derby as part of his efforts to bring order to that settlement. Do you have any suggestions for success? I was considering posting a sign and writing notices on huts in Derby. What are your experiences? Black Joe

Unfortunately fugitives will attempt to hide in your hospital and there may be occasional murders while you're logged out. Try to keep a steady stock of FAKs and get the Advanced Triage skill so you can see who needs help the most. Don't be afraid to close down operations for restocking if need be. Best of luck to you Black Joe. --One of many doctors 01:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you much, sir! One question: when you say murders, do you mean of me or the patients? Black Joe

A Gentleman's Wager

A sportsmanlike match has been proposed between a member of the Scurvy Crew and the Jolly Roger Gang to take place at the ruins well south of the shipwreck. All habitants of Shartak are invited to witness the match, and bet upon their favorite fighter. Natives who are at the wreck at the date of the match are guarenteed to be unharrassed by the participating clans and Outsiders. If needs be we'll postpone the fight a couple days to let the most people who want to join in the fun. Details will be posted on the Scurvy Crew's and whatever other pages agree to the match. It should be wicked fun. I mean, Come On! It's fight night!!!! Tyler Whitney 03:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


I have just made a list of all the groups operation in a certain city on the city articles. I could not find out where your group is based. Please add your group under the correct cities. -Che 05:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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