The Shartak Wiki talk:Policies and guidelines - Revision history

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2008-02-07T03:47:36Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-05T02:52:18Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-05T02:51:49Z

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Johan Crichton: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-04T10:48:47Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-03T08:37:49Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-03T03:57:47Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

2008-02-02T10:10:16Z

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

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Johan Crichton: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

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Buttercup: /* Cleaning up suggestions pages */

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 :::::In any case, I discussed Nosimplehiway's policy with Simon on IRC today, and he was happy with me (as a wiki sysop) to action it, which I intend to begin this week. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 10:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 ::::::Meh, alright. I'll just practice my wiki skills then. I still want to finish it, even if it doesn't get used. BTW, we don't seem to have a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions parser.] I was trying the {{ #expr: +30 * +7 }} example, which was supposed to output 210, but as you can see, doesn't. Any idea why we don't have that or whether Simon would be cool with adding it? --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 02:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 *I've edited the pages so that people won't get confused and start posting there. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 03:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 *In consideration of other wikiers, any new pages I need in order to conduct my experiments/prepare my example will be created on my user page. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 08:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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 *I've edited the pages so that people won't get confused and start posting there. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 03:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 *In consideration of other wikiers, any new pages I need in order to conduct my experiments/prepare my example will be created on my user page. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 08:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
-*I've moved all content I created in the main namespace to my userpage. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 02:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
+*I've moved all test content I created in the main namespace to my userpage. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 02:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 == Proposed guidelines ==

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 :::::Yours suggestion would require prep work every year creating new pages and the modification of links on the main Suggestions page, and would break any links to the 'current suggestions: xyz' pages from within or external to the wiki.  His suggestion requires creating archive pages, and moving inactive (etc) suggestions to those pages on a regular schedule, as already happens with implemented suggestions.
 :::::In any case, I discussed Nosimplehiway's policy with Simon on IRC today, and he was happy with me (as a wiki sysop) to action it, which I intend to begin this week. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 10:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 *I've edited the pages so that people won't get confused and start posting there. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 03:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 *In consideration of other wikiers, any new pages I need in order to conduct my experiments/prepare my example will be created on my user page. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 08:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 == Proposed guidelines ==

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 :Archiving, as I understood the proposals by Nosimplehiway would be to move the entire (archived) suggestion to an archive page.  You'd still be able to comment on archived suggestions, and links would still be possible.  If I decide to do something like this, I'd try and make sure any links were updated. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 05:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 ::How about this? [[User:Buttercup/temp/Suggestions]] Click through the links, they all work. The only thing you'd have to do is replace what it says on [[Suggestions]] with what I put on my user page. I would've done it, but I figured since it's a main page I'd ask first. If you want to get fancy, you can move suggestions that were posted this year onto the new pages I made (updating links as you go, of course). It didn't take me very long to set up, and the process can easily be repeated next year as well. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 08:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
-:::The discussion that was had above and the policy that was settled I upon I believed was to create archive pages for the old and inactive suggestions, not create a new set of pages each year (and the work required in changing links every year, from the main page or forums etc).<br>
+:::The discussion that was had above and the policy that was settled I upon I believed was to create archive pages for the old and inactive suggestions, not create a new set of pages each year (and the work required in changing links every year, from the main page or forums etc).
-:::Using your own initiative may be a good thing, but consulting with the community '''before''' starting anything is as well when the resource is community owned.  It can avoid causing people to go Whuh? when they see multiple new pages created as well :)<br>
+:::Using your own initiative may be a good thing, but consulting with the community '''before''' starting anything is as well when the resource is community owned.  It can avoid causing people to go Whuh? when they see multiple new pages created as well :)
 :::All you needed to do was create a single page not all of them. I'd sooner see implemented what Simon agreed to above, which preserves any existing links into the wiki, and reduces any work required every January. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 08:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 ::::This policy is still listed as being under discussion. If it's official it should be moved down to the implemented policies section.
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 ::::The nav bar for whichever year you were on would have links to that year's items, skills, classes, game mechanics, and miscellaneous pages, as well as the main [[Suggestions]] page. So no matter where you were in either the archive or current suggestions, you could get to any other archive or current suggestions page by going through the main link.
 ::::Basically, I see it as archiving without actually moving any pages. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 10:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 *I've edited the pages so that people won't get confused and start posting there. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 03:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 *In consideration of other wikiers, any new pages I need in order to conduct my experiments/prepare my example will be created on my user page. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 08:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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 ::::Basically, I see it as archiving without actually moving any pages. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 10:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 *I've edited the pages so that people won't get confused and start posting there. --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 03:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 == Proposed guidelines ==

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 :::All you needed to do was create a single page not all of them. I'd sooner see implemented what Simon agreed to above, which preserves any existing links into the wiki, and reduces any work required every January. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 08:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 ::::This policy is still listed as being under discussion. If it's official it should be moved down to the implemented policies section.
-::::And I was discussing it. I figured it would be faster and easier to show how it worked rather than going into lengthy detail, which would likely end up with it seeming way more complicated than it actually is. I didn't modify any existing pages, and put the content of what would need to be modified for what I proposed on my user page, so I don't think I did anything wrong. Although you're right, I didn't need to make -all- of the new pages to show how it would work, and I didn't realize the confusion it might cause others to have those new pages there.
+::::Anyway, I was discussing it. I figured it would be faster and easier to show how it worked rather than going into lengthy detail, which would likely end up with it seeming way more complicated than it actually is. I didn't modify any existing pages, and put the content of what would need to be modified for what I proposed on my user page, so I don't think I did anything wrong. Although you're right, I didn't need to make -all- of the new pages to show how it would work, and I didn't realize the confusion it might cause others to have those new pages there.
 ::::I don't think it would take very much time to do, as it took me about 15-20 minutes while figuring it out, and would probably take me 5 now that I know how. I could even write out the instructions on how to do it to make it a smooth process. Seven pages created every year (5 suggestion, 1 header, and 1 nav page), with a simple bit of copy/pasting and a change of date. Then last year's suggestion pages get an archive header informing people that they can comment, but must go to the current page to post new suggestions. Thirdly, links would be created in the [[Suggestions]] page to the new year's pages, and last year's links would simply be moved down to where it says archive.
 ::::As far as links, no links need to be changed. That was my main concern, really. From my user page I've got 48 links pointing to the items page, one for each item, and was planning on doing the same for the other categories as a project of mine. If links have to be changed manually, I figured creating new pages for the new year would save someone a heck of a lot of work compared to changing every link pointing to the old. Actually, it'd probably be better not to move January 08's suggestions to the new pages so as to preserve maximum linky goodness.

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	:Archiving, as I understood the proposals by Nosimplehiway would be to move the entire (archived) suggestion to an archive page. You'd still be able to comment on archived suggestions, and links would still be possible. If I decide to do something like this, I'd try and make sure any links were updated. --[[User:Johan Crichton\|Johan Crichton]] 05:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)		:Archiving, as I understood the proposals by Nosimplehiway would be to move the entire (archived) suggestion to an archive page. You'd still be able to comment on archived suggestions, and links would still be possible. If I decide to do something like this, I'd try and make sure any links were updated. --[[User:Johan Crichton\|Johan Crichton]] 05:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
		+	::How about this? [[User:Buttercup/temp/Suggestions]] Click through the links, they all work. The only thing you'd have to do is replace what it says on [[Suggestions]] with what I put on my user page. I would've done it, but I figured since it's a main page I'd ask first. If you want to get fancy, you can move suggestions that were posted this year onto the new pages I made (updating links as you go, of course). It didn't take me very long to set up, and the process can easily be repeated next year as well. --[[User:Buttercup\|Buttercup]] 08:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

	== Proposed guidelines ==		== Proposed guidelines ==