Talk:Wiksik PKers/War Against The Necromancers - Revision history

Valendi: Apologies.

2008-04-07T09:57:04Z

Apologies.

Skull Face: Tidying

2008-02-01T20:43:07Z

Tidying

Skull Face: /* A suggestion to both parties */

2008-02-01T20:38:17Z

A suggestion to both parties

Etherdrifter: /* A suggestion to both parties */

2008-02-01T12:26:48Z

A suggestion to both parties

Johan Crichton: A suggestion to both parties: Agree to disagree

2008-02-01T03:43:18Z

A suggestion to both parties: Agree to disagree

Etherdrifter: /* Context */

2008-02-01T03:31:59Z

Context

Skull Face: /* Context */

2008-01-31T19:24:25Z

Context

Skull Face: /* Not a bad piece */

2008-01-31T19:21:47Z

Not a bad piece

Skull Face: Unsigned

2008-01-31T19:21:26Z

Unsigned

Skull Face at 19:21, 31 January 2008

2008-01-31T19:21:01Z

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	:Good thinking that man.--[[User:Etherdrifter\|Etherdrifter]] 12:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)		:Good thinking that man.--[[User:Etherdrifter\|Etherdrifter]] 12:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
	::It's a talk page Johan. Discussion like this are what the Talk pages are about. Recent posts are in danger of becoming excessive which does make me think that some censorship may be required. --[[User:Skull Face\|Skull Face]] 20:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)		::It's a talk page Johan. Discussion like this are what the Talk pages are about. Recent posts are in danger of becoming excessive which does make me think that some censorship may be required. --[[User:Skull Face\|Skull Face]] 20:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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		+	== Apologies. ==
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		+	Diddnt know this page belong to somone, no signature.
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 I don't think you have issues with the account per se. It seems to me as though you have difficulty accepting your responsibility for what occurred. If not for the policy of killing exorcists this conflict would not have occurred. The hands of the Necromancers are equally as reddened as the hands of those who opposed them. Both sides of the war must bear responsibility for the bloodshed. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 19:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 :Well I think my replies covered all the points needed.  You claim to accept responsibility but I see no admission of that.  I see only that you claim to have "won", a fact that is false.  We just decided we did not want to prove you right and become the murderers you claimed us to be.  Well posture and post up your propaganda as much as you like now lad, I'm a busy man with things to do and I have no more time for the likes of you.  Should a guild member be killed because of your demonisation of us we will set the person in question straight and direct them to you with the complaint.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 03:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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 If you can't agree on what transpired before, during and after, can I suggest you agree to disagree?  And take that disagreement to the game or boards where it might be of interest to others? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 :Good thinking that man.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 12:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 ==Thoughts on the War==

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	If you can't agree on what transpired before, during and after, can I suggest you agree to disagree? And take that disagreement to the game or boards where it might be of interest to others? --[[User:Johan Crichton\|Johan Crichton]] 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)		If you can't agree on what transpired before, during and after, can I suggest you agree to disagree? And take that disagreement to the game or boards where it might be of interest to others? --[[User:Johan Crichton\|Johan Crichton]] 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
		+	:Good thinking that man.--[[User:Etherdrifter\|Etherdrifter]] 12:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

	==Thoughts on the War==		==Thoughts on the War==

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		+	== A suggestion to both parties ==
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		+	If you can't agree on what transpired before, during and after, can I suggest you agree to disagree? And take that disagreement to the game or boards where it might be of interest to others? --[[User:Johan Crichton\|Johan Crichton]] 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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	==Thoughts on the War==		==Thoughts on the War==
	I believe that the Necromancers have a right to declare such rules inside their own hut. Its theirs, even though taken by force.		I believe that the Necromancers have a right to declare such rules inside their own hut. Its theirs, even though taken by force.

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 .  Conflict began before any kind of talks, the necromancers denied nothing to start with as they were not given the chance to do so.
 :Conflict began when the first non-Necromancer was killed by a Necromancer for exorcism. As noted in this article the war in question (if that is what you mean buy conflict) was sparked by a Necromancer killing a native - that native was given no opportunity to talk.
 .  The rules of the hut were voted on and not just "declared" and while not everyone there was present nor were the majority of our guild members in the end it balances out (we did not allow the absent guild members a vote nor were our forums set up then).
 :What does this statement mean? A resource hut is a resource for all. These votes do not validate the Necromancers clan policy of killing natives and they do not excuse the many killings.
 .  Most of the aggressors were head-hunters and their allies, not native villagers.  Few who we had killed for exorcism raised arms against us and that is why we offered them an apology.
 :The original aggressors were the Necromancers. Those who were killed for exorcism were reluctant to fight (as noted in the article) and they requested aid. A broad mix of natives opposed the Necromancers, there were no non-natives involved. Like it or not, warriors, headhunters, whomever, all were natives.
 .  After the war not all wiksiks were free to live as they pleased, the guild is still wrongly persecuted to this day and any who trade with or are friendly with outsiders seem to go missing or end up dead.
 :All Wiksiks are free to do as they please. The natives are free to exorcise, or wail, as they wish. Those who PK will earn a place on the PKers page, whether they do so by machete, blowgun or other means.
 .  You're missing the part as to why the war lasted so long, namely every peaceful overture was rejected as either being not total submission or "posturing".
 :The war lasted longer than it had to because both sides rejected terms offered - these were decisions taken by both sides and both sides must take responsibility for them - negotiation and warfare go hand in hand. It was Black Fang, one of your enemies, who proposed the current location of your spirit hut in order to bring about a resolution to the conflict - the consensus was that the war should continue and no quarter be given at all.
 I don't think you have issues with the account per se. It seems to me as though you have difficulty accepting your responsibility for what occurred. If not for the policy of killing exorcists this conflict would not have occurred. The hands of the Necromancers are equally as reddened as the hands of those who opposed them. Both sides of the war must bear responsibility for the bloodshed. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 19:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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 ::::::::::I think that covers most of the points, do fell free to correct me if I am wrong.  Try to watch your manners mind, I find the set you are using at the moment distasteful and ignorant. --[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::::I assure you I am far from ignorant. And different tastes are what make the world go around.
+:::::::::::I assure you I am far from ignorant. And different tastes are what make the world go around. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 19:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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	:The war lasted longer than it had to because both sides rejected terms offered - these were decisions taken by both sides and both sides must take responsibility for them - negotiation and warfare go hand in hand. It was Black Fang, one of your enemies, who proposed the current location of your spirit hut in order to bring about a resolution to the conflict - the consensus was that the war should continue and no quarter be given at all.		:The war lasted longer than it had to because both sides rejected terms offered - these were decisions taken by both sides and both sides must take responsibility for them - negotiation and warfare go hand in hand. It was Black Fang, one of your enemies, who proposed the current location of your spirit hut in order to bring about a resolution to the conflict - the consensus was that the war should continue and no quarter be given at all.

−	I don't think you have issues with the account per se. It seems to me as though you have difficulty accepting your responsibility for what occurred. If not for the policy of killing exorcists this conflict would not have occurred. The hands of the Necromancers are equally as reddened as the hands of those who opposed them. Both sides of the war must bear responsibility for the bloodshed.	+	I don't think you have issues with the account per se. It seems to me as though you have difficulty accepting your responsibility for what occurred. If not for the policy of killing exorcists this conflict would not have occurred. The hands of the Necromancers are equally as reddened as the hands of those who opposed them. Both sides of the war must bear responsibility for the bloodshed. --[[User:Skull Face\|Skull Face]] 19:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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	::::::::::5. You're missing the part as to why the war lasted so long, namely every peaceful overture was rejected as either being not total submission or "posturing".		::::::::::5. You're missing the part as to why the war lasted so long, namely every peaceful overture was rejected as either being not total submission or "posturing".
	::::::::::I think that covers most of the points, do fell free to correct me if I am wrong. Try to watch your manners mind, I find the set you are using at the moment distasteful and ignorant. --[[User:Etherdrifter\|Etherdrifter]] 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)		::::::::::I think that covers most of the points, do fell free to correct me if I am wrong. Try to watch your manners mind, I find the set you are using at the moment distasteful and ignorant. --[[User:Etherdrifter\|Etherdrifter]] 15:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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		+	:::::::::::I assure you I am far from ignorant. And different tastes are what make the world go around.
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		+	==Context==
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		+	Let's look at your comments:
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		+	Well now lets get started:
		+	1. Conflict began before any kind of talks, the necromancers denied nothing to start with as they were not given the chance to do so.
		+	:Conflict began when the first non-Necromancer was killed by a Necromancer for exorcism. As noted in this article the war in question (if that is what you mean buy conflict) was sparked by a Necromancer killing a native - that native was given no opportunity to talk.
		+	2. The rules of the hut were voted on and not just "declared" and while not everyone there was present nor were the majority of our guild members in the end it balances out (we did not allow the absent guild members a vote nor were our forums set up then).
		+	:What does this statement mean? A resource hut is a resource for all. These votes do not validate the Necromancers clan policy of killing natives and they do not excuse the many killings.
		+	3. Most of the aggressors were head-hunters and their allies, not native villagers. Few who we had killed for exorcism raised arms against us and that is why we offered them an apology.
		+	:The original aggressors were the Necromancers. Those who were killed for exorcism were reluctant to fight (as noted in the article) and they requested aid. A broad mix of natives opposed the Necromancers, there were no non-natives involved. Like it or not, warriors, headhunters, whomever, all were natives.
		+	4. After the war not all wiksiks were free to live as they pleased, the guild is still wrongly persecuted to this day and any who trade with or are friendly with outsiders seem to go missing or end up dead.
		+	:All Wiksiks are free to do as they please. The natives are free to exorcise, or wail, as they wish. Those who PK will earn a place on the PKers page, whether they do so by machete, blowgun or other means.
		+	5. You're missing the part as to why the war lasted so long, namely every peaceful overture was rejected as either being not total submission or "posturing".
		+	:The war lasted longer than it had to because both sides rejected terms offered - these were decisions taken by both sides and both sides must take responsibility for them - negotiation and warfare go hand in hand. It was Black Fang, one of your enemies, who proposed the current location of your spirit hut in order to bring about a resolution to the conflict - the consensus was that the war should continue and no quarter be given at all.
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		+	I don't think you have issues with the account per se. It seems to me as though you have difficulty accepting your responsibility for what occurred. If not for the policy of killing exorcists this conflict would not have occurred. The hands of the Necromancers are equally as reddened as the hands of those who opposed them. Both sides of the war must bear responsibility for the bloodshed.