User:LouisB3

2006-05-28T15:21:02Z

LouisB3: /* Idea: Player-built huts */

Character: http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=2694

Urban Dead character: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=134359

== Log ==

=== Goals ===

# Acquire all skills
# Have an excessive amount of extra XP
# Explore the entire island (about 3500 areas; more than 100% of level-ground total)
# Become a Top 100 killer (about 150 kills)
# Kill at least one of each type of animal
# Become a Top 20 PKer (about 20 kills)
# Become excessively wealthy

=== May ===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2"
| '''Date''' || '''Lvl''' || '''Event'''
|-
| 5-15 || 0 || Started
|-
| 5-15 || 0 || Died (1)
|-
| 5-18 || 1 || Lvl+: Body Building
|-
| 5-21 || 2 || Lvl+: Close Quarters Combat
|-
| 5-23 || 3 || Lvl+: Advanced Close Quarters Combat
|-
| 5-26 || 4 || Lvl+: Exploration
|-
|}

== Idea: Player-built huts ==

Note that this is substantially different from the already-existing "Construction" suggestion.

Characters could build huts, allowing bragging rights an perhaps an outpost of safety against animals as well. Huts could (maybe) be expanded upon aesthetically - patio, fireplace, etc. Only the owner of a hut could write on it (maybe). Other possibilities abound - builders could trade ownership for gold, etc. Lastly, the below ideas can be combined with clans - cooperative construction, clan-owned buts, etc.

Obviously, some fairly substantial restrictions are necessary to prevent buildings from poopping up everywhere. Possibilities include any combination of the following:
* Minimum level requirement, to prevent secondary characters that spend all of their AP on construction. Level 5, for example, will be effective and still allow nearly everyone with necessary inclination and devotion to build.
* A Construction skill, without which one could not build a hut.
* Equipment such as a toolkit. Presumably either with a very low find rate or available exclusively from traders. In either case, probably quite expensive to purchase.
* A maximum of one hut per character.
* High AP costs for construction.
* Multiple building stages. For example, the player would click "Build hut", they would receive a messsage saying that they have partially constructed a hut, and when they do it a second time, the hut would be complete. Areas with half-built huts would be marked with a description. Presumably, only those who have built the first part of a hut can continue construction.
* Large amounts of driftwood used - possibly enough to fill most of a character's inventory.
* Only build on zero-density jungle.
* Huts could decay over time, requiring additional driftwood to maintain. This is fairly complicated in and of itself.
* Perhaps only those who have donated to the game can build huts, to totally ensure limited real estate and to compensate for the fairly high costs it imposes on the server and programmer.

These sorts of restrictions can ensure that gaining the ability to build is a significant barrier, that building is a time-consuming task, and that maintaining a hut is a significant task; thus limiting the number of player-built huts in existence and making ownership of a hut a major bragging right.

User:LouisB3

2006-05-28T14:58:46Z

LouisB3:

Character: http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=2694

Urban Dead character: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=134359

== Log ==

=== Goals ===

# Acquire all skills
# Have an excessive amount of extra XP
# Explore the entire island (about 3500 areas; more than 100% of level-ground total)
# Become a Top 100 killer (about 150 kills)
# Kill at least one of each type of animal
# Become a Top 20 PKer (about 20 kills)
# Become excessively wealthy

=== May ===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2"
| '''Date''' || '''Lvl''' || '''Event'''
|-
| 5-15 || 0 || Started
|-
| 5-15 || 0 || Died (1)
|-
| 5-18 || 1 || Lvl+: Body Building
|-
| 5-21 || 2 || Lvl+: Close Quarters Combat
|-
| 5-23 || 3 || Lvl+: Advanced Close Quarters Combat
|-
| 5-26 || 4 || Lvl+: Exploration
|-
|}

== Idea: Player-built huts ==

Characters could build huts, allowing bragging rights an perhaps an outpost of safety against animals as well. Huts could (maybe) be expanded upon aesthetically - patio, fireplace, etc. Only the owner of a hut could write on it (maybe). Other possibilities abound - builders could trade ownership for gold, etc. Obviously, some fairly substantial restrictions are necessary to prevent buildings from poopping up everywhere. Possibilities include any combination of the following:
* Minimum level requirement, to prevent secondary characters that spend all of their AP on construction. Level 5, for example, will be effective and still allow nearly everyone with necessary inclination and devotion to build.
* A Construction skill, without which one could not build a hut.
* Equipment such as a toolkit. Presumably either with a very low find rate or available exclusively from traders. In either case, probably quite expensive to purchase.
* A maximum of one hut per character.
* High AP costs for construction.
* Multiple building stages. For example, the player would click "Build hut", they would receive a messsage saying that they have partially constructed a hut, and when they do it a second time, the hut would be complete. Areas with half-built huts would be marked with a description.
* Large amounts of driftwood used - possibly enough to fill most of a character's inventory.
* Only build on zero-density jungle.
* Huts could decay over time, requiring additional driftwood to maintain. This is fairly complicated in and of itself.
* Perhaps only those who have donated to the game can build huts, to totally ensure limited real estate and to compensate for the fairly high costs it imposes on the server and programmer.
These sorts of restrictions can ensure that gaining the ability to build is a significant barrier, that building is a time-consuming task, and that maintaining a hut is a significant task; thus limiting the number of player-built huts in existence and making ownership of a hut a major bragging right. (All this is somewhat modeled on the Vampires property, in which major donaters receive real estate with a custom description on it, and the Outbreak property system, in which donations buys Rocks (diamonds), which are used to purchase special equipment and custom-named apartments and houses.)

2006-05-26T01:54:34Z

LouisB3: /* Goals */

2006-05-19T18:29:11Z

LouisB3: /* Style Guidelines */

Cheers to danheretic, Tanarchy, and Lint for adding more info to the Items page! --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 14:14, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Thanks! I'm a little curious as to what Simon's intentions with the wiki are. Should we be striving towards documenting every single detail or leaving things a little vague? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:10, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Make it as vague or as detailed as you want. Information about locations of useful stuff is likely to be of interest to plenty of people ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:14, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Great! Was interested in adding some stuff, and have, but not sure how much was too much. Driftwood was one example. Luckily, someone with more courage than myself posted it already, lol. =] --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:52, 14 February 2006 (GMT)

== Item Details ==

* I see that Knife is listed as unknown base level and and damage. I just signed up as a native (a warrior, I think). I found a knife. The hit percentage is 20% with a damage of 1. Is that what people mean by the base level? [[User:Shades of Grey|Shades of Grey]] 09:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::-Shades of Grey : I believe that is what should be listed. I found one and posted about the knife, but have not tried to use it yet. Post that info!--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 22:28, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS ===
*Can someone who understands the GPS please explain exactly what the numbers mean? I have yet to make heads or tails from them...--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 22:28, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: I've added some info to the [[Items]] page. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:31, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Thanks, Doc! What is the '70' and '26' for on the GPS? Do they never change? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 15:10, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: They are part of the coordinates. As to whether they change - that depends on how big Shartak is. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 11:46, 17 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: I assume they are the notional lattitude and longitude of the island. 70E 26S is in the Indian Ocean, 70W 26N is NE of the Caribbean (70E 26N is in NW India and 70W 26S is in South America). --[[User:Richard Hawke-Welch|Richard Hawke-Welch]] 08:39, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
* Right, and exactly WHERE in the villages can you get one? --[[User:Motogrrl|Motogrrl ]] 02:16, 28 April 2006 (GMT)
**Now you can find them in the Medical Huts (2%?) as well as on the ground in the outsider villages. Trading posts often have them, too. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 01:54, 18 May 2006 (BST)

=== Searching ===
* I waded out into the Water with my Soldier and decided to search. Amid the multiple failed searches, I got one message: "You search and find a broken knife which you discard." Was that a potential item that required a certain skill to use or just junk? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:59, 20 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Machetes ===
* Anyone know if sharp machetes ever get dull? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:46, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
: I have had my machete since level 1 (now am level 8) and it hasn't gotten dull yet. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:07, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Dried Herbs ===
* I have some "dried herbs". I don't find them in this wiki, and I haven't used them yet. Anyone know what they do? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 20:36, 23 February 2006 (GMT) '''EDIT:''' Just tried using them got a message saying I didn't know how to use them. My guess is they are "healing herbs" and can only be used with the "Natural Medicine" skill--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 18:42, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Which character did you find them with? If you were an outsider, maybe it's the "Native Knowledge" skill you require rather than "Natural Medicine". I wonder what a first aid kit looks like to a native. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:23, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:::My outsider scientist has these. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:36, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
::::"dried herbs" are the name for "healing herbs" when you don't have Native Knowledge. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 01:55, 18 May 2006 (BST)

=== Heavy Sword ===
* Who added the heavy sword? We should all take some time to figure out where you can reliablly find them -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 19:58, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:It was added by "Fitzcarraldo". --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:36, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
::I am unfortunately not sure where I found it, it was found on the first day I tried shartak and I wasn't really paying attention, which is why I included the "(?)". Please feel free to add some data to [[Search Odds]] or [[Search Odds Condensed]] to help figure out where to find this item and others! -- [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo]] 10:13, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:Can someone post a screenshot of the heavy sword to verfiy its existence? Has anyone else found it? --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 04:23, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
::wow, verification? ok, I understand. you can see it [[http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5835/shrtkheavyswordscrnsht060303b0.jpg here]], just below the obfuscated gps coordinates. Again, I seriously have no idea where exactly it was I found it. It could have been in swamp or beach or jungle, or in town.. they were all in the vicinity, my best guess was jungle. :/
::As an aside, It makes me wonder what other little treasures there are hidden away that are not very probable!? The mechanism involved could be more complicated than UD's, couldn't it? Maybe there are only so many active per number of players, or maybe it is found in 1 specific square, or in a specific quadrant of the map, or maybe it is actually class specific (fitzcarraldo is an explorer, outsider), or maybe it just has a probability of 0.01%, or maybe those finding them don't look in the wiki, or?? I really don't know. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]] 11:31, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Other Stuff ===
:I couldn't see too many crazy items being out there, and even if they were they would make everything else pointless I mean why use a rifle(thats 5 dam,60% hit,1.5ap/shot[2ap to shot 1 ap to load],search ammo= about 2dam/ap not counting searching ammo) or blowpipe (thats 4 dam,20% hit, 2ap/shot[I think you have to reload after every shot],search ammo=.8dam/ap!!! not counting search and even if they poison as the name implys they still suck) vs the heavy sword(5 dam,45% hit=2.25 dam/ap can you say "makes other items pointless) after citing the suggestion guidelines page in the urban dead wiki "just cause its really rare doesn't mean people won't find it". Now if you will excuse me I am going to make a suggestion on the item page to remove the heavy sword on the grounds that it makes the rifle, blowpipe and rifle skills absolutly useless(that ap you getting xp for those skills could have found you a uber sword of doom!) --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 23:20, 9 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Breakage ===
* Has anyone had a weapon besides the cutlass break while attacking with it? --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:07, 28 March 2006 (BST)

** Sure, my machetes keep breaking. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:21, 22 April 2006 (BST)

=== Ideal Inventory? ===

Just to throw out the question, what appears to be the ideal inventory for exploring the jungle?

* 2 x Machete
** Need 2 just in case the main one breaks mid-fight
** If you're a Pirate, replace Machete with Cutlass
* 1 x Sharpening stone
** In case your machete blade becomes dull
* 1 x Heavy Sword
** If you can find one, since much better than Machete
** No-one confirmed where these can be found yet, only 4 or 5 known to exist so far.
* 7 x First Aid Kit
** When combined with First Aid/Natural Medicine skill, 7 are enough to heal 70HP and bring you back from the point of dying to full health
** Use Healing Herbs if native since Natural Medicine only seems to work with Herbs and not FAK.
* GPS
** So you don't get too lost, particularly if using Firefox + Greasemonkey scripts such as UBERmapper
** If native, requires Outsider Knowledge skill.
* As many Gold Coins as possible
** They don't appear to use as much inventory space as everything else
** You can use these to trade for extra supplies at camps
* 3-4 x Rifle + many Rifle Bullets
** If Soldier, can get skills to boost accuracy to 60% which may work better than machete
** If native warrior, replace Rifle + Bullets with Blowpipe + Poison Darts, same reasoning
** Multiple rifles/blowpipes mean you can avoid having to reload mid-fight
** Each one can be loaded to allow extra ammunition to be carried since an empty rifle uses as much space as a loaded one.

--[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 09:12, 5 May 2006 (BST)

=== Gem ===
I notice that the gem can be traded for three GPS units. Looking at the trade values for the two items ($1000 and $250, respectively), shouldn't it trade for four? If it trades for three, the trade value for the GPS unit is wrong. If it trades for four, then this page is wrong. Who should I believe? I'm so confused!--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 19:54, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:No, trading downward in the Trading Post is not a free service -- you need to pay a markup cost of 1 unit. (Trading up is free, except for roundoff costs.) Read the text about the trader's markup costs (on the [[Trading]] page). When you want to '''buy''' a gem, you have to give up 4 GPS Units. When you want to '''sell''' a gem to buy GPS Units, offering a gem gives you 4-1 = 3 GPS Units, because the Trader has to make a profit. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:'''Note:''' If you sell the Gem for Poison Darts first, you'll get 100-1 = 99 Darts. If you have an extra Dart lying around, then 100 Darts can be used at 25-1 to buy 4 GPS Units! Check out the [[Talk:Trading]] page if you would like to see the actual trade transaction numbers, rather than having to work them out from prices. (Not speaking the trader's language makes trading very uneconomical.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (BST)

== Inventory Limit ==

I finally hit an inventory limit. ''You're carrying too much to be able to search. You need to drop or use something first.''
4 x banana, 1 x blunt machete, 2 x bottle of beer, 5 x bottle of water, 1 x crab, 4 x first aid kit, 2 x gold coin, 4 x gourd of water, 1 x gps unit [-70.376,26.301], 7 x knife, 14 x machete, 1 x mango, 4 x piece of driftwood, 1 x poison dart, 5 x rifle bullet, 8 x rifle (2), 1 x sharpening stone
At the minimimum this would mean an inventory size of 65 for a level 0 Soldier. If we are to assume that rifles take up 2 spaces, the size would be 73 (which is a weird number). This also presents an interesting situation where your greed for gold may very well impede your survival (if in fact a coin takes up 1 space). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:12, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:The (2) next to the rifle means that it is loaded with two bullets --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]]
::I know :P. I was just putting forth the possibility that firearms would count as 2 units of inventory space like in Urban Dead. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:11, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:After some trial and error (and baseless assumptions), I think that rifles and blowpipes (whether fully, partially or not loaded) take up 2 units of space. If this is true, the maximum inventory space is 75. Though the number of items I had when I could no longer search varied from 67 to 68, by following this rule, the values always added to 75. It also appears that there is not a check set in place to make sure that you don't exceed this limit with a new item you find. I dropped a rifle and was able to perform two more searches. I found a knife and a loaded blowpipe, presumably putting me 1 unit of space over the maximum. If one were to find a bundle of darts or a box of bullets, they could have well over the inventory limit. I'm not sure how I came to the number 73 before, but I may have accidentally missed recording an item. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:08, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:: Have we verified weather gold coins take up item spaces? My outsider can't drop his coins...--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:21, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
:: I seem to be able to drop coins now, and they do not take up any inventory space. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 03:36, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::: If that's the case, my recoded inventory sizes all come out to 71, I believe. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::: Same here. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:38, 13 March 2006 (GMT)
I be a crazy sea dog or does character class has an effect on search/find rates? --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 18:04, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

== Style Guidelines ==

* Removed AP costs from the item information. Unless it costs more than 1 AP to use an item, it probably isn't noteworthy. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:34, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* Proposal to remove the names of classes that start with a specific item. This information is already available on the Character Classes page. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:12, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

* Removing the lists of what gold coins and gems are worth; belongs in [[Trade]]. --[[User:LouisB3|LouisB3]] 19:29, 19 May 2006 (BST)

==Splitting this page up?==
Since linking directly to items does not work, and since this page is fairly long anyway, maybe it should be split into 4 pages? One for each of the four sections (ranged weapons, non-ranged weapons, healing, miscellaneous). That way if someone searches for "first aid kit" in the search box on the left of the page, they would end up on a page where they would instantly see the entry on First aid kit within the larger group of healing items, rather than this very long page. In principle I dont like theis idea myself, but it would seem to work better. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:36, 18 May 2006 (BST)
:Sure, although the page names are worth some effort to get right. Perhaps just "Weapons", "Healing Items", and "Other Items"? Ranged Weapons and Melee Weapons would also work, although Ranged Weapons is just Rifle+Bullet & Blowpipe+Dart at the moment, whereas Healing presumably includes Mangos, Bananas, Beer, Rum, Tasty Berries, FAKs, Herbs, Water, and even Poisonberries. Another possibility is to give each item its own page, so that the Items page limits itself to a sentence or two of crucial info. (The "Locations" page also needs this type of meta-attention.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:03, 18 May 2006 (BST)
::Those three pages - "Weapons", "Healing Items", and "Other Items" - sound like they'll get the job done. I'm not completely sold on splitting up the Ranged and Melee Weapons, but that can work as well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:38, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Another option is to combine Knife/Dagger (and possibly Machete/Cutlass and Blunt Machete/Blunt Cutlass) and simply adding a note for the differences between the items (mostly locations), since they're nearly identical. --[[User:LouisB3|LouisB3]] 19:27, 19 May 2006 (BST)

Talk:Items

2006-05-19T18:27:23Z

LouisB3: /* Splitting this page up? */

Cheers to danheretic, Tanarchy, and Lint for adding more info to the Items page! --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 14:14, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Thanks! I'm a little curious as to what Simon's intentions with the wiki are. Should we be striving towards documenting every single detail or leaving things a little vague? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:10, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Make it as vague or as detailed as you want. Information about locations of useful stuff is likely to be of interest to plenty of people ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:14, 13 February 2006 (GMT)

* Great! Was interested in adding some stuff, and have, but not sure how much was too much. Driftwood was one example. Luckily, someone with more courage than myself posted it already, lol. =] --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:52, 14 February 2006 (GMT)

== Item Details ==

* I see that Knife is listed as unknown base level and and damage. I just signed up as a native (a warrior, I think). I found a knife. The hit percentage is 20% with a damage of 1. Is that what people mean by the base level? [[User:Shades of Grey|Shades of Grey]] 09:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::-Shades of Grey : I believe that is what should be listed. I found one and posted about the knife, but have not tried to use it yet. Post that info!--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 22:28, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS ===
*Can someone who understands the GPS please explain exactly what the numbers mean? I have yet to make heads or tails from them...--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 22:28, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: I've added some info to the [[Items]] page. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:31, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Thanks, Doc! What is the '70' and '26' for on the GPS? Do they never change? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 15:10, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: They are part of the coordinates. As to whether they change - that depends on how big Shartak is. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 11:46, 17 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: I assume they are the notional lattitude and longitude of the island. 70E 26S is in the Indian Ocean, 70W 26N is NE of the Caribbean (70E 26N is in NW India and 70W 26S is in South America). --[[User:Richard Hawke-Welch|Richard Hawke-Welch]] 08:39, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
* Right, and exactly WHERE in the villages can you get one? --[[User:Motogrrl|Motogrrl ]] 02:16, 28 April 2006 (GMT)
**Now you can find them in the Medical Huts (2%?) as well as on the ground in the outsider villages. Trading posts often have them, too. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 01:54, 18 May 2006 (BST)

=== Searching ===
* I waded out into the Water with my Soldier and decided to search. Amid the multiple failed searches, I got one message: "You search and find a broken knife which you discard." Was that a potential item that required a certain skill to use or just junk? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:59, 20 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Machetes ===
* Anyone know if sharp machetes ever get dull? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:46, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
: I have had my machete since level 1 (now am level 8) and it hasn't gotten dull yet. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:07, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Dried Herbs ===
* I have some "dried herbs". I don't find them in this wiki, and I haven't used them yet. Anyone know what they do? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 20:36, 23 February 2006 (GMT) '''EDIT:''' Just tried using them got a message saying I didn't know how to use them. My guess is they are "healing herbs" and can only be used with the "Natural Medicine" skill--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 18:42, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Which character did you find them with? If you were an outsider, maybe it's the "Native Knowledge" skill you require rather than "Natural Medicine". I wonder what a first aid kit looks like to a native. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:23, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:::My outsider scientist has these. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:36, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
::::"dried herbs" are the name for "healing herbs" when you don't have Native Knowledge. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 01:55, 18 May 2006 (BST)

=== Heavy Sword ===
* Who added the heavy sword? We should all take some time to figure out where you can reliablly find them -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 19:58, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:It was added by "Fitzcarraldo". --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:36, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
::I am unfortunately not sure where I found it, it was found on the first day I tried shartak and I wasn't really paying attention, which is why I included the "(?)". Please feel free to add some data to [[Search Odds]] or [[Search Odds Condensed]] to help figure out where to find this item and others! -- [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo]] 10:13, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:Can someone post a screenshot of the heavy sword to verfiy its existence? Has anyone else found it? --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 04:23, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
::wow, verification? ok, I understand. you can see it [[http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5835/shrtkheavyswordscrnsht060303b0.jpg here]], just below the obfuscated gps coordinates. Again, I seriously have no idea where exactly it was I found it. It could have been in swamp or beach or jungle, or in town.. they were all in the vicinity, my best guess was jungle. :/
::As an aside, It makes me wonder what other little treasures there are hidden away that are not very probable!? The mechanism involved could be more complicated than UD's, couldn't it? Maybe there are only so many active per number of players, or maybe it is found in 1 specific square, or in a specific quadrant of the map, or maybe it is actually class specific (fitzcarraldo is an explorer, outsider), or maybe it just has a probability of 0.01%, or maybe those finding them don't look in the wiki, or?? I really don't know. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]] 11:31, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Other Stuff ===
:I couldn't see too many crazy items being out there, and even if they were they would make everything else pointless I mean why use a rifle(thats 5 dam,60% hit,1.5ap/shot[2ap to shot 1 ap to load],search ammo= about 2dam/ap not counting searching ammo) or blowpipe (thats 4 dam,20% hit, 2ap/shot[I think you have to reload after every shot],search ammo=.8dam/ap!!! not counting search and even if they poison as the name implys they still suck) vs the heavy sword(5 dam,45% hit=2.25 dam/ap can you say "makes other items pointless) after citing the suggestion guidelines page in the urban dead wiki "just cause its really rare doesn't mean people won't find it". Now if you will excuse me I am going to make a suggestion on the item page to remove the heavy sword on the grounds that it makes the rifle, blowpipe and rifle skills absolutly useless(that ap you getting xp for those skills could have found you a uber sword of doom!) --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 23:20, 9 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Breakage ===
* Has anyone had a weapon besides the cutlass break while attacking with it? --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:07, 28 March 2006 (BST)

** Sure, my machetes keep breaking. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:21, 22 April 2006 (BST)

=== Ideal Inventory? ===

Just to throw out the question, what appears to be the ideal inventory for exploring the jungle?

* 2 x Machete
** Need 2 just in case the main one breaks mid-fight
** If you're a Pirate, replace Machete with Cutlass
* 1 x Sharpening stone
** In case your machete blade becomes dull
* 1 x Heavy Sword
** If you can find one, since much better than Machete
** No-one confirmed where these can be found yet, only 4 or 5 known to exist so far.
* 7 x First Aid Kit
** When combined with First Aid/Natural Medicine skill, 7 are enough to heal 70HP and bring you back from the point of dying to full health
** Use Healing Herbs if native since Natural Medicine only seems to work with Herbs and not FAK.
* GPS
** So you don't get too lost, particularly if using Firefox + Greasemonkey scripts such as UBERmapper
** If native, requires Outsider Knowledge skill.
* As many Gold Coins as possible
** They don't appear to use as much inventory space as everything else
** You can use these to trade for extra supplies at camps
* 3-4 x Rifle + many Rifle Bullets
** If Soldier, can get skills to boost accuracy to 60% which may work better than machete
** If native warrior, replace Rifle + Bullets with Blowpipe + Poison Darts, same reasoning
** Multiple rifles/blowpipes mean you can avoid having to reload mid-fight
** Each one can be loaded to allow extra ammunition to be carried since an empty rifle uses as much space as a loaded one.

--[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 09:12, 5 May 2006 (BST)

=== Gem ===
I notice that the gem can be traded for three GPS units. Looking at the trade values for the two items ($1000 and $250, respectively), shouldn't it trade for four? If it trades for three, the trade value for the GPS unit is wrong. If it trades for four, then this page is wrong. Who should I believe? I'm so confused!--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 19:54, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:No, trading downward in the Trading Post is not a free service -- you need to pay a markup cost of 1 unit. (Trading up is free, except for roundoff costs.) Read the text about the trader's markup costs (on the [[Trading]] page). When you want to '''buy''' a gem, you have to give up 4 GPS Units. When you want to '''sell''' a gem to buy GPS Units, offering a gem gives you 4-1 = 3 GPS Units, because the Trader has to make a profit. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:'''Note:''' If you sell the Gem for Poison Darts first, you'll get 100-1 = 99 Darts. If you have an extra Dart lying around, then 100 Darts can be used at 25-1 to buy 4 GPS Units! Check out the [[Talk:Trading]] page if you would like to see the actual trade transaction numbers, rather than having to work them out from prices. (Not speaking the trader's language makes trading very uneconomical.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:09, 15 May 2006 (BST)

== Inventory Limit ==

I finally hit an inventory limit. ''You're carrying too much to be able to search. You need to drop or use something first.''
4 x banana, 1 x blunt machete, 2 x bottle of beer, 5 x bottle of water, 1 x crab, 4 x first aid kit, 2 x gold coin, 4 x gourd of water, 1 x gps unit [-70.376,26.301], 7 x knife, 14 x machete, 1 x mango, 4 x piece of driftwood, 1 x poison dart, 5 x rifle bullet, 8 x rifle (2), 1 x sharpening stone
At the minimimum this would mean an inventory size of 65 for a level 0 Soldier. If we are to assume that rifles take up 2 spaces, the size would be 73 (which is a weird number). This also presents an interesting situation where your greed for gold may very well impede your survival (if in fact a coin takes up 1 space). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:12, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:The (2) next to the rifle means that it is loaded with two bullets --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]]
::I know :P. I was just putting forth the possibility that firearms would count as 2 units of inventory space like in Urban Dead. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:11, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:After some trial and error (and baseless assumptions), I think that rifles and blowpipes (whether fully, partially or not loaded) take up 2 units of space. If this is true, the maximum inventory space is 75. Though the number of items I had when I could no longer search varied from 67 to 68, by following this rule, the values always added to 75. It also appears that there is not a check set in place to make sure that you don't exceed this limit with a new item you find. I dropped a rifle and was able to perform two more searches. I found a knife and a loaded blowpipe, presumably putting me 1 unit of space over the maximum. If one were to find a bundle of darts or a box of bullets, they could have well over the inventory limit. I'm not sure how I came to the number 73 before, but I may have accidentally missed recording an item. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:08, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:: Have we verified weather gold coins take up item spaces? My outsider can't drop his coins...--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:21, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
:: I seem to be able to drop coins now, and they do not take up any inventory space. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 03:36, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::: If that's the case, my recoded inventory sizes all come out to 71, I believe. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::: Same here. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:38, 13 March 2006 (GMT)
I be a crazy sea dog or does character class has an effect on search/find rates? --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 18:04, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

== Style Guidelines ==

* Removed AP costs from the item information. Unless it costs more than 1 AP to use an item, it probably isn't noteworthy. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:34, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* Proposal to remove the names of classes that start with a specific item. This information is already available on the Character Classes page. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:12, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

==Splitting this page up?==
Since linking directly to items does not work, and since this page is fairly long anyway, maybe it should be split into 4 pages? One for each of the four sections (ranged weapons, non-ranged weapons, healing, miscellaneous). That way if someone searches for "first aid kit" in the search box on the left of the page, they would end up on a page where they would instantly see the entry on First aid kit within the larger group of healing items, rather than this very long page. In principle I dont like theis idea myself, but it would seem to work better. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:36, 18 May 2006 (BST)
:Sure, although the page names are worth some effort to get right. Perhaps just "Weapons", "Healing Items", and "Other Items"? Ranged Weapons and Melee Weapons would also work, although Ranged Weapons is just Rifle+Bullet & Blowpipe+Dart at the moment, whereas Healing presumably includes Mangos, Bananas, Beer, Rum, Tasty Berries, FAKs, Herbs, Water, and even Poisonberries. Another possibility is to give each item its own page, so that the Items page limits itself to a sentence or two of crucial info. (The "Locations" page also needs this type of meta-attention.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:03, 18 May 2006 (BST)
::Those three pages - "Weapons", "Healing Items", and "Other Items" - sound like they'll get the job done. I'm not completely sold on splitting up the Ranged and Melee Weapons, but that can work as well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:38, 18 May 2006 (BST)

Another option is to combine Knife/Dagger (and possibly Machete/Cutlass and Blunt Machete/Blunt Cutlass) and simply adding a note for the differences between the items (mostly locations), since they're nearly identical. --[[User:LouisB3|LouisB3]] 19:27, 19 May 2006 (BST)

Animals

2006-05-19T18:16:39Z

LouisB3:

There are a number of animals around the island, most of which can be attacked. Animals move around periodically. Stronger animals attack characters in their square at occasional intervals, while other animals tend to run away. Sleeping near a tiger or elephant is especially dangerous.

These are only the animals that have been spotted so far; it's possible that there are others to be found.

{| cellspacing=4 style="background-color:#efefff" |
|- bgcolor=#dbdcff
! Animal
! Max HP
! Damage
! XP Bonus
! Location
! Notes
|-
| | Alligator
| align="right" | 25
| align="right" | 3
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Swamp|Swamp]]
| | Aggressive. Every half hour the alligator appears to make two attack attempts for 3 damage each (perhaps each at 45% chance to hit). In 22 half hour increments, I think that the alligator missed 4 times, hit once 17 times, and hit twice 1 time.
|-
| | Deer, large
| align="right" | 30
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Deer, small
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Easter Bunny
| align="right" | 30
| align="right" | 4
| align="right" | 28
| | [[Locations#Grassland|Grassland]], [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| | Believed to be hunted to extinction shortly after Easter.
|-
| | Elephant
| align="right" | 60
| align="right" | 4
| align="right" | 25
| | [[Locations#Grassland|Grassland]], [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| | Aggressive; attacks unprovoked.
|-
| | Monkey
| align="right" | 10
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 8
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Parrot
| align="right" | 5
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 5
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Rat
| align="right" | 3
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | ?
| | [[Locations#Tunnel|Tunnel]], [[Locations#Cave|Cave]]
| |Aggressive. Attacks in packs.
|-
| | Shark
| align="right" | n/a
| align="right" | *
| align="right" | n/a
| | [[Locations#Water|Deep Water]]
| | Cannot be seen or attacked. Wounds cause 1 hp damage per action, and can only be treated by first-aid kits or healing herbs.
|-
| | Stag, large
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 2
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Tiger
| align="right" | 20
| align="right" | 3
| align="right" | 14
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| | Aggressive; attacks unprovoked.
|-
| | Wild boar
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 2
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| | Aggressive; attacks unprovoked.
|}

When attacking animals, you receive experience equal to the damage that you inflict. If you kill an animal, you receive an additional bonus, as listed in the XP Bonus column (in addition to XP equal to weapon damage).

== Shark Bites ==
When you swim in deep water there is a chance that you will be attacked by an unseen shark. These attacks deal 2 HP damage to the player and also causes a wound that must be healed with a [[Items#First_Aid_Kit|first aid kit]] or [[Items#Healing_Herbs|healing herbs]]. If left untreated, it will continue to cause 1 HP damage to the character for every action that they perform.

== Punching Large Animals ==
When missing a punch against an elephant, large stag, or tiger, special messages may display:

* ''You attack the elephant and miss. Suddenly attacking the elephant with your bare hands doesn't seem so clever!''
* ''You attack the elephant and miss. Pausing a moment to reflect on this, tackling the elephant with your bare hands might be considered crazy!''