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2006-07-12T18:06:02Z

Jackel:

This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

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== Possible Bugs ==

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Banshee Wail village annihilation===
Not sure if this is a bug, or perhaps just bad luck, but for the past several days in York, the Pirate Ship, and Dalpok, every time I log back in to Shartak I have a screenful (or 3) of Banshee Wails, have lost a bunch of hit points, and have seen others around me keel over dead. From the timestamps it looks like you can send out 5 Wails per minute; sometimes I see 50 Wails in a row. None of my characters have Sixth Sense, so I don't know how many wailers are around -- maybe some new people are just testing the skill? If people are harvesting XP in a crowded village, though, it's probably not going to stop, and in fact will get far worse as more than just a handful of players learn how to wail. (Are the villages becoming ghost towns?) Thanks! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 16:59, 30 April 2006 (BST)

:Logged on again, found another example:
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Since your last move:
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
Archibald turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a haunting scream coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
Frederick turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
bobblehat turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
Sprocket turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. You die of fright. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:46)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
Brock Sampson turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
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--[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 07:16, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Banshee Wail is a 1AP activity, so you can do 72 every 24 hours. That's extremely nasty. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 09:41, 1 May 2006 (BST)

* Not unless you're only being heard by 1 person (or unless I've broken the code that calculates AP usage). Perhaps it should be considered an attack similar to using a weapon, and thus have a percentage chance of actually wailing/shrieking? It sounded like a good idea and not too powerful when I was working on it, but maybe my maths was off. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:59, 1 May 2006 (BST)
:* One problem with Ghosting is that it is stealthed and shielded - the wailer is invisible and invulnerable to new players. The most recent two characters that I created started out their lives (deaths) with a massive spam attack of unexplained banshee wails while sleeping in a hut in my own home town. That can't be encouraging for new players joining Shartak, who expect some plausible safety. Usually game mechanics counterbalance invisible strikes by reducing fire-rate and damage, but banshee wail combines invisibility with higher damage and larger area-of-effect. From the outside, it looks like a sniper rifle that autofires grenades. But I don't have the skill, so this is just from my anecdotal experience. In my opinion, banshee wail should not affect the inside of town huts or the shipwreck. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 20:49, 1 May 2006 (BST)
::*That said, shouldn't a spiteful, vengeful spirit be considerably powerful? This is why I am trying to make an [[Talk:Suggestions#Exorcism|Exorcism suggestion]]. I haven't heard enough from the other users yet, though. I've only heard from about two people.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 21:39, 12 May 2006 (BST)
:::*Well, except that every player who dies becomes a spirit, whether or not they are spiteful and vengeful. If the motivation for banshee wail were related to revenance and vengeful dead, one would think that the wail would only harm your killer, or would only be usable by someone murdered in unusual circumstances. That said, current changes seemed to have cleaned up the spamming problem... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:31, 13 May 2006 (BST)
::::*This is actually leading to spirits camping around things like medical and ammo huts with no way for a player to deal with it. This has basicly become a skill that allows you to sit at important places, harvest xp, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. --[[User:Shosuro|Shosuro]]
:Yep, large groups of spirits are still camping certain game locations. Is the new Seance going to allow corporeals to disrupt spirit-campers? --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:04, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::No, at the moment Seance gets you the ability to identify passive spirits (the ones who just hang around not wailing or anything). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:26, 14 June 2006 (BST)
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===Machete Trades===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=22:23, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=low|
bug_description=So I'm at Trader Harry's hut in York and I decide to trade for some bullets. This is what he says:
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:You ask to trade your blunt machetes for his rifle bullets.
:Trader Harry makes you an offer, "I'll give you three rifle bullets for a blunt machete"

:You ask to trade your machetes for his rifle bullets.
:Trader Harry makes you an offer, "People just don't seem to want to buy machetes so I can't offer full price for yours. I'll give you two rifle bullets for a machete"
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Now why would I get more bullets for a broken item that's essentially a machete anyways?|
bug_comments=

The trader logic is strictly a supply/demand thing. If a trader doesn't have much of a certain object, it has more value to him, despite the fact that in this case a sharp machete is more useful than a dull one. Not really a bug, IMO, as it will eventually work itself out once the traders start getting a lot of these items that they over-value. No one's going to be buying the dull machetes. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 03:28, 5 June 2006 (BST)
:* But blunt machetes are so much more valuable than sharp machetes. Just consider:
::# If you search in the resource huts, machetes are very common. Everyone carries a machete or three. But who's got a blunt one? Blunt machetes are very scarce. Their rarity makes them precious.
::# If you have a blunt machete, it is very easy for you to make a sharp machete (1AP and a Stone). If you have a sharp machete, it is very difficult to make a blunt machete (1000AP and the jungle). Thousands of trees might be destroyed during the creation process -- potentially an environmental castastrophe. Please, think of the trees! Don't manufacture that blunt machete by yourself, buy it from Trader Harry -- whatever the cost!
::If you like, I'll also explain to you why Bottles of Water are cheaper than Mangos, Bananas, Rum, Beer, even though the Bottles of Water are tremendously more powerful. I'll explain why Blowpipes cost $300, despite the fact that you're more likely to kill someone by eating Tasty Berries than by using a Blowpipe. And I'll explain how traders sneak out while everyone is asleep, and hide their stock in resource huts, for everyone to find again. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 00:51, 9 June 2006 (BST)
:::Appears fixed. Apparently, blunt machetes no longer sell for more than machetes. Bottles of water only heal 2 HP. Blowpipes cause lots more poison damage. Traders still sneak out and stash medkits and ammo in resource huts while we sleep, but in a game with Easter Bunnies, I'm not too surprised. I'm waiting for the Tiger Tooth fairy to come get my amulet. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 15:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

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===AP in 37 Minutes===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=18:16, 13 June 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=med|
bug_description=For some reason, when I ran out of AP, the system told me I would have another in 37 minutes. I was just walking around in a character without trekking, so I don't believe it's a negative or 1/2 AP problem. See [[:Image:37minutes.png|37 minutes screenshot]].|
bug_comments=

I also got a similar message with '22 minutes' on my first day - Ssarl
*For characters without trekking it now costs 2 AP to walk on dense jungle squares like the one you ended your turn on, so if you had 1 AP left just before you moved onto that square, your true AP total would be -1, or 40 minutes to get back up to 1 AP. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 17:47, 14 June 2006 (BST)
*I didn't notice that - does that mean I was looking for a bug when there wasn't one? On the other hand, I did see some weird stuff going on and am going to make a couple of tweaks shortly which may fix it anyway. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:59, 14 June 2006 (BST)
:: If it does indeed cost 2AP to walk on dense jungle, then Arminius is correct. Simon, you sound a little uncertain for a guy who can, ya know, look at the code ;) --[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]] 21:19, 15 June 2006 (BST)
::It does take 2 AP if you don't have trekking so that sounds like the reason for the 37m AP issue. If I sound uncertain, it's probably because the unusually hot weather here in the UK over the last week has melted my brain. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:35, 16 June 2006 (BST)
*I recently encountered a similar problem. I was searching through a swamp and ran out of AP after 5 searches even thought I had around 40 Ap to start with (I think). Suddenly it says I'm -1 Ap and that I need to wait 59 minutes for more Ap. [http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Image:Proof.jpg Proof]. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:Doesn't searching in a swamp cost 3 AP, so this is not a bug. If you had 1 AP before your last swamp-search, it would cost 60 minutes (20x3) to regenerate to 1 AP. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::No, this is a bug. The screenshot shows -1 AP. He will be at 0 AP in less than 20 minutes. He will be at 1 AP in less than 40 minutes, and he will be able to move. In 38 minutes, the refresh will jump from "come back in 21 minutes" to "you can move". --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 15:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:::At the moment, I'm listed as having 0 AP, but it says 33 minutes until my next move. (Impossible?) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC) Look for an AP display bug. When I refreshed the screen, my AP changed from 0 to -1. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::::It does look like a display issue. I started swimming through the water at a rate of 3AP per move and on the last go it said -1AP. When I refreshed a few seconds later, it said -2AP. Unfortunately I didn't make a note of the number of minutes to wait before I refreshed. Will investigate some more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::*I think the number of minutes that it tells you before you can move again is determined by your last action before running out of AP, i.e. if you took an action requiring 1 AP it tells you how many minutes till you get back to 1 AP, if you took an action that used 2 AP it tells you how many minutes till you get back to 2 AP, if you took an action that used 0.5 AP it will tell you of 10 minutes or less. This could be an explanation for the problems. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 04:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:::That would make sense since my last action was searching a swamp (3 Ap)so 20 mins X 3 = 60 mins until next action. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 15:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
* Should be fixed now. I just had -1 AP show up, 30m before I can do something. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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===Password silently truncated upon character creation===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=10:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)|
bug_author=[[User:Gimbo|Gimbo]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=low|
bug_description=It appears that when you create a character, the password supplied is truncated to 14 characters. Furthermore, this happens silently, ie the user signing up has no indication that this has happened.

I noticed this when I tried to log in via a different computer from the one I'd used to create the character, and was told I had the wrong password. I was _sure_ I was typing in the right thing, so I asked for a reminder to be emailed to me. I received an email containing a password consisting of the first 14 characters of the password I had actually typed in. This truncated password worked.
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bug_comments=

I can think of 3 things to do to improve this situation. 1) When a user logs on (logging on, not creating a new character), truncate the password entered before comparing it with the stored version. That smells like an ugly hack in some ways, but has the advantage that it's backwards compatible: any existing players whose passwords have been truncated without their knowledge won't ever hit the problem like I did. 2) Make new users aware that this truncation is happening, by warning them if their new character's password is truncated. This isn't, perhaps, necessary if you do number 1), but it's polite. 3) Increase the password field length in the DB (I presume that's the problem) to something more sensible (at least 64; maybe even 256). This reduces the chance of this affecting anyone new in the future. It doesn't fix current players (hence the need for number 1), and it's still possible someone would use a huuuuuggge password which got truncated anyway (hence the need for numbers 1 and 2). I think all three things should be done to "properly" fix the problem. Boring, eh? :-)
--[[User:Gimbo|Gimbo]] 11:03, 28 June 2006 (BST)
* 1) Done. 2) Done. 3) Done. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::Woo hoo - now that's what I call service. Well done! :-) --[[User:Gimbo|Gimbo]] 10:30, 30 June 2006 (BST)
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===No apparent distinction in age of tracks===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=18:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)|
bug_author=[[User:Jackel|Jackel]]|
bug_status=new |
bug_severity=low |
bug_description=My character has the tracking tree maxed out for a while. Every single track he finds says it was left "a long time ago". Today I logged off standing on a square with another player, returning about an hour later to find that player gone. My track search showed that he left, you guessed it, "a long time ago". After an hour!!?? Whether this is a bug or not, the way the system determines the age of tracks should be a lot more granular. Hour-old tracks should not seem to be left "a long time ago" to a master tracker...|
bug_comments=

Comment here

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Terrain

2006-06-13T18:29:01Z

Jackel: /* Water (deep) */

Within the navigation map there are a number of different coloured areas which correspond to the different '''terrain''' types.

In addition you may find other zones or details within the terrain. A common one for those first arriving are those considered part of a village where, for example, a d0 space within the village would be labeled "Dalpok" instead of "Jungle". Others exist as well; for example, bushes and trees in the jungle and there are caves and tunnels in the mountain terrain.

According to GPS calculations, each square of terrain is approximately 100 meters on a side.

== Beach ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#ffebcd;font-family:Verdana;">Beach</div>

There is sand here, but you cannot build a sand castle. [[Driftwood]] can be found here, and is used for making [[signpost]]s. There are also [[crab]]s here, but unlike [[parrot]]s and [[rat]]s, you cannot murder the crabs for XP.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP'' (with a chance of being pinched by a crab for 1 HP of damage)
**'''Find rates (approximate) 8.8% (±3.2%):''' piece of [[driftwood]] 5.5% (±2.6%), [[gold coin]] 1.6% (±1.4%), [[crab]] 1.3%, ''crab pinch 0.7%'', [[bottle of beer]] 0.3%.


===Boatyard===
:''A large sandy expanse of beach with so much driftwood scattered around that you could probably build a boat from it if you had the right tools.''
This description of multiple squares of beach (signposted at {{GPS|70|591|26|507}}) promises large quantities of driftwood. Search odds still require calculating, but appear to share the same profile as beach with a much higher overall success rate. It is rumored that there are many other boatyards around Shartak; please post their GPS coordinates here as you find them.

*'''Approx find rates (apparently 20% or more overall):''' piece of [[driftwood]] (?), [[gold coin]] (?), [[bottle of beer]] (?), [[crab]] (?), crab bite (?)

== Grassland ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#e6f5b1;font-family:Verdana;">Grassland</div>

There is a swath of grassland cutting north-south, a few clicks west of Dalpok. Grassland can also be found by following the road north from Derby.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP'' (with a chance of being bitten by a poisonous snake for 3 HP of damage)
**'''Find rates (approximate) 14% (±9.6%):''' [[poisonous snake]] 10% (±8.3%), [[healing herbs]] 4%, ''snake bite 2%''.


== Jungle ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#337033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d10)</small></div>

Jungle is the dominant terrain type in Shartak. Jungle can be chopped by players with [[machete]]s or [[cutlass]]es, but it regrows slowly over time, even in squares with players or animals in them. Most [[animals]] on Shartak live in the jungle. Fruit trees and berry bushes are found in the jungle. Chopping the jungle also reveals abandoned huts and ancient ruins.

Jungle never grows past density 10, a point at which it is too thick to pass through easily. A character wielding a machete or cutlass can chop the jungle location down to density 9 (with about a 10% chance of earning 1 [[XP]]), while characters without such weapons must try to push through it with a chance of success of roughly 20%.

{|
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#338033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d9)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#339033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d8)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33a033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d7)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33b033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d6)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33c033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d5)</small></div>
|-
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33d033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d4)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33d733;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d3)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33e033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d2)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33f033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d1)</small></div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#aa8866;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle <small>(d0)</small></div>
|}

At density 8, the tree cover is thin enough for a [[GPS unit]] to receive a signal. At density 4, the trees in the area are cut down, removing any [[Writing|carved messages]]. At jungle density 0, all that remains is weeds; vegetation cannot be chopped any further at this point.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''.5 AP'' for d0, ''1 AP'' for d1-d10 (''.5 AP'' for d1-d6 with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Find rates (approximate) 15% (±2.6%):''' [[mango]] 5.3% (±1.6%), [[banana]] 2.9% (±1.2%), [[gourd of water]] 1.9% (±1.0%), [[blunt machete]] 1.0% (±0.7%), [[poisonous berries]] 1.0% (±0.7%), [[tasty berries]] 0.8% (±0.7%), [[healing herbs]] 0.7% (±0.6%), [[gold coin]] 0.4%, bundle of 2-8 [[poison dart]]s 0.3%, partially loaded [[rifle]] 0.3%, [[berries]] 0.3%, [[first aid kit]] 0.3%, empty [[blowpipe]] 0.1%, loaded [[blowpipe]] 0.1%, [[bullet]] 0.1%, [[poison dart]] 0.1%. ('''Note:''' Find rates vary considerably and are believed to depend upon jungle density. Find rates also are different for jungle terrain located inside village territory. See [[Search odds condensed (results)]] for more information.)


== Mountain ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#666666;font-family:Verdana;">Mountain</div>

An impassable mountain is located in the middle of Shartak.

Also features impassable '''Mid-air''' and '''Solid Rock'''.

=== Mountain Path ===
There is a mountain pass that starts at {{GPS|70|364|26|432}}. A second entrance to the same path is at {{GPS|70|382|26|479}}. And a third entrance to the same path is at {{GPS|70|329|26|431}}.

There are two types of mountain path found on the mountain. The first is passable, and allows for movement just as most other forms of terrain in the game. The second only allows for vertical movement ("Go Up" and "Go Down"). Either way returns you to a jungle square (going up puts you on a level jungle trail that winds around the mountain).

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Dark Cave ===
[[Cave]] spotted somewhere near Dalpok at {{GPS|70|368|26|442}} (up on the mountain path). It leads to a tunnel that leads deeper into the mountain.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Small Cave ===
At the southwestern base of the mountain is a small cave at {{GPS|70|333|26|425}}. It leads to a tunnel that cuts through a section of the mountain.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Tunnel ===
There are two types of tunnel found in the mountain. The first is passable, and allows for movement just as most other forms of terrain in the game. The second only allows for vertical movement ("Go Up" and "Go Down").

One entrance at {{GPS|70|368|26|442}} (up on mountain path). Reportedly easy for one to get lost in. It seems to contain nothing but rats and other players who are lost.

There is another tunnel through the mountain's southwest tip with ends at {{map|70|339|26|429}} and {{map|70|333|26|425}} and a single 45-degree turn at {{map|70|337|26|429}}.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

== Swamp ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#887722;font-family:Verdana;">Swamp</div>

Follow the river south of the mountain to find an [[alligator]]-infested swamp.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''2 AP''
*'''Search cost:''' ''3 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' (nothing)

== Water ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">Water</div>

Water surrounds the island and can be found in various rivers and lakes on the island.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''2 AP'' (''1 AP'' with the ''[[Swimming]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (8%)

=== Waterfall ===
A waterfall {{GPS|70|351|26|429}} on the south side of the mountain forms a river leading south - climbing the waterfall takes you to a small ledge of jungle with no apparent features.

== Water (deep) ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#4444af;font-family:Verdana;">Water</div>

Deeper water can be found further out.

[[Shark]]s, which cannot be seen, attack in deep water. The attacks take 2 [[HP]] and leave the player wounded. The wound takes 1 HP per AP and can only be healed by a [[first aid kit]] or [[healing herbs]].
*'''Movement cost:''' ''3 AP'' (''2 AP'' with the ''[[Swimming]]'' skill)
*'''Search cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' (speculative) broken knife (discarded) (8%)

== Ocean ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#22228f;font-family:Verdana;">Ocean</div>

Ocean water is impassable, and forms the outer boundary of the map.

[[Category:Glossary]]

Talk:Identify Friend or Foe

2006-06-08T17:58:25Z

Jackel:

I have to confess that I'm kind of wary of user-related templates and categories as they have a tendency to get out of hand. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:43, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I find the functional logic behind this initiave highly flawed. I could take a player down to 1 HP, then leave him be, and still be considered "friendly". Furthermore, I could retaliate from a player of another group attacking me, and be permanently branded hostile. Killing another player of a rival group should not permanently label that player as hostile forever, as it doesn't take into account his current behavior or those circumstances. Finally, its much easier to barefist punch a player to reveal this same info, as it has a low chance of actually hitting, and causes nominal damage. Gold is not (yet) such a worthless commodity to give to players out of hand simply to discover if they've ever killed. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:02, 3 June 2006 (BST)

::In my opinion, the fundamental purpose of giving gold is to be able to get the character's ID number, which allows you to read their profile. I agree that the wording of the initiative is flawed -- what you do with the information that you gain should be entirely at your discretion. If you are Baron von Friendly, and the native profile says "Hakhak's purpose in life is to slay his nemesis, the tyrannical Baron von Friendly" then of course you should be allowed to attack Hakhak, even if he has no faction kills. (In the other direction, Jackel's criticism is misguided: nowhere does the IFF initiative obligate you to ATTACK anyone or label them hostile. Give 1 gold, find out that it's the Butcher_of_Your_Camp_Here, so what, give him some more gold and a pat on the back if you want, that's always your privilege.) ... The important part is taking the step of spending 1 gold and 1 AP to examine a target. That's a huge step away from gratuitous cross-class violence, and few players (if any) are going to waste resources pursuing Identify Friend or Foe tactics steps 1 and 2, only to indiscriminantly kill targets that don't have friendly-faction kills. So in my opinion the IFF initiative should emphasize the gc-spending process, and allow players to make their own judgements based on the clan and description as well as the number of PKs. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:19, 8 June 2006 (BST)
:::Misguided how? As written, the IFF clearly defines a policy of discovering a player's kill history, and using it to identify that player as hostile or not hostile to a particular group, with the expectation that so-identified "hostile" players are free (not necessarily obligated) to be attacked and that "non-hostile" players should be left alone. I disagree with Tycho44, I actually think the '''how''' of IFF (i.e. how a player's kill history is revealed) is '''less important''' to the '''why''', which is the use of IFF as a means of establishing the "attackability" of an encountered player. My primary concern is that a player's kill history is a flawed expectation of how they will treat all other players of that group, and I think my examples speak for themselves. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 18:58, 8 June 2006 (BST)
:Yeah, i've been using the highly refined 'IFF Bitchslap' technique to identify natives I'm meant to be co-operating with, and have only caused a few bruised egos. I like the thinking behind the gold-giving idea, but those little shiny coins dont come free. Although I agree with some of Jackel's criticisms, being able to view somebody's profile is a huge advantage; for a start, that little bit that says 'Clan membership: WickSick Headhunters', or 'Outsiders Killed: 58' is a pretty good guide, and besides, what sort of freak goes around knocking people down to 1AP and then leaving them? (apart from me on UD, but thats just funny. Shartak doesn't have infectious bite and feeding groan, so most of the comedy value and suspense would be lost in this situation) --Gitboy 11:21, 3June 2006 (BST)

::The Pseudo-IFF Punch is a frequently used alternative to IFF give1gold, and certainly preferable to the IFF Machete that my "friends" seem to use. As a participant in the IFF, I'm announcing that I find it well worth it to spend a gold piece here and there to avoid causing harm to friendlies on the other side. I hope that enough participants will join IFF to keep gold flowing both ways. Anyone can earn 15 gold coins in a single day using the Medical/Herbal Hut and the Trading Hut. If you are fastidious about wasting a Med Kit to repair any harm that you cause with your Punches, you're probably just as well using Give-1-Gold. Each Med Kit is worth 2+ gold. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:19, 8 June 2006 (BST)

I've noticed that the option of giving nothing is now available under the selection for giving gold. This makes it possible to identify a person without losing gold. Therefore, the IFF no longer serves a purpose. --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 22:49, 6 June 2006 (BST)

:I would argue that the IFF still serves a purpose, since you still need to go through th rigmarole of not giving them a gold goin; this just makes it a lot cheaper to do so. The IFF project now has my full support, cheapskate that I am :) -- Gitboy 10:15, 7 June 2006

::I will support it if the language is changed. Since it's no longer necessary to give a gold coin, say so on the IFF page. I'd rather have no IFF than a bunch of new comers to the Island giving away all their booty. I would change it to say that one should use the Give: -Nothing- option to identify a person. --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:43, 7 June 2006 (BST)

:::I've tried giving nothing to an outsider, and all I got is a message like "The outsider doesn't appear very impressed by your generosity!" That is, I didn't ID them, so it may still be necessary to give gold (meaning the "--Nothing--" entry is to prevent accidental giving). At least giving nothing didn't (seem to) use any AP. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 17:28, 7 June 2006 (BST)

::::Yeah, I just got that as well. Dammit. Maybe we should lobby Simon? Still it's not as if a handful of gold coins is particularly easy to come by; just search the medical hut for a bit, then sell the kits/herbs. Or you could just stand in the middle of a settlement (of the other class) and see how many people IFF you... --Gitboy 19:42, 7 June 2006

:1. If we have "a bunch of new comers to the Island giving away all their booty", then what we need is an "Identify How to Play Shartak" initiative. One day in a Resource Hut and a few AP in the Trading Hut earns more gold coins than you'll be able to use in a week of IFF. Just how many different locations containing enemies are you trying to identify, anyway, and for what purpose? Give 1 gold only IDs the top member in a stack of foreigners.
:2. Or just add a phrase to the wiki page like: "Naturally, supporters of the IFF initiative consider themselves relatively wealthy inhabitants of the island -- rich in their generosity, if not also rich in coinage..." Join the IFF at your own expense, or not, that's your choice.
:3. Standing in the middle of a settlement of the other class is currently a one-way ticket to the Shaman. That's part of the point of the IFF initiative -- to stop the indiscriminate slaughter that characterizes all 7 camps of today's Shartak. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:19, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Bugs

2006-06-05T02:28:53Z

Jackel: /* Machete Trades */

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== Possible Bugs ==

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Banshee Wail village annihilation===
Not sure if this is a bug, or perhaps just bad luck, but for the past several days in York, the Pirate Ship, and Dalpok, every time I log back in to Shartak I have a screenful (or 3) of Banshee Wails, have lost a bunch of hit points, and have seen others around me keel over dead. From the timestamps it looks like you can send out 5 Wails per minute; sometimes I see 50 Wails in a row. None of my characters have Sixth Sense, so I don't know how many wailers are around -- maybe some new people are just testing the skill? If people are harvesting XP in a crowded village, though, it's probably not going to stop, and in fact will get far worse as more than just a handful of players learn how to wail. (Are the villages becoming ghost towns?) Thanks! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 16:59, 30 April 2006 (BST)

:Logged on again, found another example:
<small>
<pre>
Since your last move:
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
Archibald turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 12:29)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a haunting scream coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
Frederick turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
bobblehat turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:44)
Sprocket turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-04-30 15:44)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear. You die of fright. (2006-04-30 15:45)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-04-30 15:46)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:57)
Brock Sampson turns white as a sheet, and keels over dead. (2006-05-01 05:57)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you. (2006-05-01 05:58)
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--[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 07:16, 1 May 2006 (BST)

Banshee Wail is a 1AP activity, so you can do 72 every 24 hours. That's extremely nasty. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 09:41, 1 May 2006 (BST)

* Not unless you're only being heard by 1 person (or unless I've broken the code that calculates AP usage). Perhaps it should be considered an attack similar to using a weapon, and thus have a percentage chance of actually wailing/shrieking? It sounded like a good idea and not too powerful when I was working on it, but maybe my maths was off. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:59, 1 May 2006 (BST)
:* One problem with Ghosting is that it is stealthed and shielded - the wailer is invisible and invulnerable to new players. The most recent two characters that I created started out their lives (deaths) with a massive spam attack of unexplained banshee wails while sleeping in a hut in my own home town. That can't be encouraging for new players joining Shartak, who expect some plausible safety. Usually game mechanics counterbalance invisible strikes by reducing fire-rate and damage, but banshee wail combines invisibility with higher damage and larger area-of-effect. From the outside, it looks like a sniper rifle that autofires grenades. But I don't have the skill, so this is just from my anecdotal experience. In my opinion, banshee wail should not affect the inside of town huts or the shipwreck. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 20:49, 1 May 2006 (BST)
::*That said, shouldn't a spiteful, vengeful spirit be considerably powerful? This is why I am trying to make an [[Talk:Suggestions#Exorcism|Exorcism suggestion]]. I haven't heard enough from the other users yet, though. I've only heard from about two people.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 21:39, 12 May 2006 (BST)
:::*Well, except that every player who dies becomes a spirit, whether or not they are spiteful and vengeful. If the motivation for banshee wail were related to revenance and vengeful dead, one would think that the wail would only harm your killer, or would only be usable by someone murdered in unusual circumstances. That said, current changes seemed to have cleaned up the spamming problem... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:31, 13 May 2006 (BST)
::::*This is actually leading to spirits camping around things like medical and ammo huts with no way for a player to deal with it. This has basicly become a skill that allows you to sit at important places, harvest xp, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. --[[User:Shosuro|Shosuro]]
:Yep, large groups of spirits are still camping certain game locations. Is the new Seance going to allow corporeals to disrupt spirit-campers? --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:04, 2 June 2006 (BST)

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===Rifles and Blowpipes can't be bought in Trading Hut===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=20:50, 26 May 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=high|
bug_description=Rifles and blowpipes are broken in the trading huts. The trader can't seem to figure out a price, then offers you a short supply price when you're selling them to him. He acts like he's glad to sell you some rifles and blowpipes, but then "Hang on! I'm out of them." A minor point: There are still ways to lose 1AP without accomplishing anything in the trading screens. The AP loss is irregular - sometimes when you reject a trade, you are awarded back the spent AP (else I did that right on a clock tick). Usually, however, you lose an AP when attempting to repeat a trade that requires recomputation, then declining that trade or having it fail. Another minor point: I'm fairly sure that not all of the short stock messages are being displayed. Harry blithely tried to sell me "some berries" for my gem, without alerting me that this was a ripoff caused by only 1 berries in his stock. I'll try for some repeat occurrences, so I can see which short stock messages I believe are being suppressed, but I've seen some ridiculous offers without requisite warnings. Otherwise, the trading seems to work great. One of my characters lost nearly $3000 trying unsuccessfully to short-stock GPS units and gems.
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bug_comments=

* Rifles and blowpipe trading now fixed. "some berries" is simply how it appears, as an item I guess it's a little confusing because it's not a single berry, but a handful or bunch of them. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:36, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:* That isn't the bug, the bug is that Harry usually says "Because they're in short supply, I'll want a higher price. I've only got 3, come back later for 49" BUT when he only has 1 in stock, he routinely ignores that message and simply says, "I'll give you 1 for a gem" as if 1-1 were a normal price. I haven't verified rifle/blowpipe yet (off killing monkeys) but thanks for the rifle fix! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:38, 29 May 2006 (BST)
::* Found and I think fixed this bug. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:37, 2 June 2006 (BST)

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===Minor inventory errors===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=01:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=low|
bug_description=I decided to waste a little AP flipping a gold coin, but despite the fact that I clearly have gold coins in my inventory, clicking on the item only produced a "You don't have a gold coin." message. I tested this behavior several times on my shaman and my settler and got the same result.|
bug_comments=

* Changing the title of this error as it apparently also appears for rifles and blowpipes. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:25, 29 May 2006 (BST)
* Fixed gold coin bug. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:52, 29 May 2006 (BST)
* Fixed rifle/blowpipe bug (and anything else that has a limited number of uses in the future). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:57, 29 May 2006 (BST)

}}

=== Can choose a weapon that's broken ===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=10:22, 31 May 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=low|
bug_description=After this "You attack the wild boar and miss.
Unlucky or just clumsy? The blade snaps off and you're left holding the handle, which you discard." i still have the possibility of doing an attack (in the dropdownlist) , but i don't have a machete..confirming the attack it doesn't do nothing.. but maybe the loading event that fills your inventory should be after the attack result, not before..|
bug_comments=

* Should be fixed now. Found what caused this. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:38, 31 May 2006 (BST)

}}

===Minor Max AP Bug===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=04:04, 2 June 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]]|
bug_status=new |
bug_severity=low |
bug_description=Several times, when I log on with "75 AP", my first action drops me to "73 AP", even if it takes only 1 AP. Perhaps if my AP is on a half-increment, it caps at 74.5 displayed incorrectly as 75, or perhaps logging in incorrectly eats an AP. |
bug_comments=

* If you just click the refresh button immediately after logging in, it drops you down to 74AP when it was showing 75AP before. Should be fixed now though, can't think why I didn't spot this before! When calculating AP left, it uses the integer part of the number of AP you have so if you have 0.3AP, it will read 0AP and if you have 1.5AP, it'll read 1. 74.5 is shown as 74 not 75. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:46, 2 June 2006 (BST)

}}

===Tasty Berries morph into Poisonous Berries===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=04:22, 2 June 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]]|
bug_status=new (not a bug) |
bug_severity=low |
bug_description=I'm pretty sure this is a "not a bug", but it does contradict the advice given to Grigoriy about berry bushes. The trader keeps two stacks of berries (both called "berries"), one at TastyBerry price and one at PoisonBerry price. But if you buy a berry without Native Knowledge, you always get a PoisonBerry. Plausible if the trader cheats you when you don't know the difference; although I'd argue that Trader Harry is guilty of Attempted Murder, or at least Negligent Homicide, for selling poison as food.

ANYWAY, my outsider had a single tasty berry that he sold to a trader who was completely out of berries. I sold it at the trader and then bought it back, and I know it was the same berry because the trader went out of stock again after charging me the $80 (short-stock TastyBerry price). But it entered my inventory in my PoisonBerry stack, and when I ate it, I lost 2 HP. At least I learned from the experience; I figured I'd share my knowledge with others... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 04:22, 2 June 2006 (BST)|

bug_comments=

* Unable to replicate this with Trader Harry. Successfully traded tasty berries with him, and then traded back for them.

}}

===Machete Trades===
{{bugreport|
bug_time=22:23, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
bug_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
bug_status=new|
bug_severity=low|
bug_description=So I'm at Trader Harry's hut in York and I decide to trade for some bullets. This is what he says:
<br>
:You ask to trade your blunt machetes for his rifle bullets.
:Trader Harry makes you an offer, "I'll give you three rifle bullets for a blunt machete"

:You ask to trade your machetes for his rifle bullets.
:Trader Harry makes you an offer, "People just don't seem to want to buy machetes so I can't offer full price for yours. I'll give you two rifle bullets for a machete"
<br>
Now why would I get more bullets for a broken item that's essentially a machete anyways?|
bug_comments=

The trader logic is strictly a supply/demand thing. If a trader doesn't have much of a certain object, it has more value to him, despite the fact that in this case a sharp machete is more useful than a dull one. Not really a bug, IMO, as it will eventually work itself out once the traders start getting a lot of these items that they over-value. No one's going to be buying the dull machetes. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 03:28, 5 June 2006 (BST)

}}

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2006-06-03T04:18:10Z

Jackel: /* Boat Construction */

{{:Suggestions/Header|page_type=Game Mechanics}}

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response t othis idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)
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=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

:Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
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=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)
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=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

+Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
+Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
+Taming Skills (adds 30%)

+Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

}}

=== Profile Effect Items ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Inventory and profiles|
suggest_description=These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

* I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
:For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a "create mask" option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).
::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

* I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things ("I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!") and not feel that the game is just about collecting items ("Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game."). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

*Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless "fancy hats" that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
::Bumping this good suggestion. Let's have some cowrie shells! (And The_Conch(tm), see next suggestion.) The barren ruins and huts seem so sad and pathetic right now, they need some wacky useless trinkets to tide us over... Maybe we need shovels to dig for treasure, too. Yarr! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:06, 10 May 2006 (BST)

}}

=== Conch Shell Hunt ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, minigame|
suggest_scope=Event|
suggest_description=''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*''I'' have the conch! I'm allowed to speak! *ahem* I mean, um... >.>--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:21, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Suggestions: (1) Skip bonus for the conch-killer and you remove incentive to zerg. (2) Have the conch break when the conch-bearer dies (respawns on a random beach) and you remove the race condition. (3) Give the conch-bearer an action to blow into the Conch. (You hear the booming echo of a conch being sounded to the south-east.) Maybe 50% chance of 1xp each time you blow the conch, just to give you incentive to attract attention to yourself. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:31, 23 April 2006 (BST)


}}

=== Know your foes ===
As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is "attack random outsiders" or "attack none". I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).

This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.

Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf

''Comments''
Perhaps seeing the profile of someone on the opposite side if you or they have the advanced language skill would be good, it would be cool to hang around with some natives without worrying about aggressors. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:30, 18 March 2006 (GMT)

If you had a contact list and some way to target individuals on your list ala Urban Dead, I'm guessing that would probably help. Not so sure about the scalp display approach. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:36, 18 March 2006 (GMT)

A contact list would be quite useful in Shartak. But also being able to read profiles, maybe through an "observe" button and scroll-down menu. For the moment, people just hit each other once, hoping to miss, in order to get a link to the other guy's profile. There must be a more rationnal way to quench this curiosity. -- Gone 13:36, 10 May 2006 (GMT+1)
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=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

}}

=== The Ghost Elephant ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, miniboss|
suggest_scope=Event|
suggest_description=Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies.|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

*Arr! I would ride that ghost beast like a horse jus' fer fun, then slay 't t' sell its tusks t' them outsiders an' th' meat t' them natives. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 17:46, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

*In the Congo they refer to it as Mokele Mbembe - he who stops the flow of rivers - and it is rumoured to be a lost dinosaur. The island could do with some cryptozoology. Would this creature be able to disappear or hide or move incredibly fast? If not, then once one person finds it, they can just call everyone over to the same square. This kind of defeats the mythical aspect as well as adding potential server problems. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 18:24, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

*I should make the animals attack back in near-realtime first (as in you attack them and they may or may not get an attack in).. just to add a bit of interest to it and stop people running up to the creature and hacking and then running away. Making an animal with an almost unlimited number of HP would be possible.. I guess probably start it with at least double a normal elephant and max of about a thousand HP to prevent people healing it to the point where it'd be impossible to kill. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:37, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

*It could be cool, especially if it moved around in a way that made tracking it possible, maybe by destroying the foliage, or moving in a pattern. Also having it move might help keep people from all winding up in one square beating it up. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:41, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
**I've tried to offset the game's focus on combat by encouraging healing (double XP may be too much of a reward, so I'm willing to remove that), but that alone will most likely be not enough to counter the horde of blood-thirsty savages!<br>Healing with the Herbs and FAKs may actually be seen as healing the Ghost Elephant spiritually rather than merely physically, which is why it's health can grow high. I don't see a problem if it became near-unkillable. I like keeping some myths and legends around.<br>I thought that it would be best if it traveled like an elephant, but it is true that it limits the people that are able to participate in the event. Perhaps it should "teleport", after a certain amount of time in an area - "A wall of fog sweeps in through jungle. When it fades, you see that the Ghost Elephant has vanished as well."<br>I requested for a log of actions to determine who killed it, who attacked it the most, who healed it the most, and who got hurt the most. Also, rather than a recurring animal, I thought it would be best to release it as an event that occurs every now and then. Or maybe only once! --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
***Hmm, when the elephant reappears, it should give a loud trumpet which can be heard over a certain radius to increase the chance of players coming across it. Unless of course players would prefer that it were more stealthy. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:25, 4 April 2006 (BST)

*I like it. And of course, you needn't stick to land animals; a mysterious sea creature that patrols the island waters and is reported to be 30ft long could prompt more people to vernture into the waters for a glimpse/trophy etc. Sharks will also be a problem for those searching! --[[User:Malphas|Malphas]] 15:52, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

*I ''love'' this idea.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:08, 28 March 2006 (BST)

*Great idea!--[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 21:04, 24 May 2006 (BST)

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=== Auto Attack ===
I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.
--[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

'''Edit'''

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat

--[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)

''Comments''
*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat?<br>It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness.<br>Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's Shipyard. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)

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===Poisoning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, status effect, balance|
suggest_scope=All classes, primarily Warriors|
suggest_description=Currently, the blowpipe can only carry 1 dart, yet weighs the same amount of inventory space as a rifle with 2 bullets. If you were to pit a fully leveled Soldier armed with loaded rifles against a fully leveled Warrior armed with loaded blowpipes, the battle is in favor of the Soldier who requires less time to reload while inbattle and dealing superior damage. (rifle's 5 to blowpipe's 4).

To address this, I would propose that poison darts actually cause poisoning. Poisoning would behave much like a shark bite - causing 1 HP damage per action performed until they are administered a FAK or medical herbs. A character can die if poison is left untreated. The attacker receives no additional XP for this kill or the damage dealt from poison. Poisoning would not stack, but it would be possible for a character to suffer from both poison and shark bites. The introduction of poison may require the dart's damage to be reduced to something substantially lower. Perhaps a default of 2 HP inflicted.

Up for discussion - does poisoning have a percent chance of occurring, an AP lifespan (only lasts 10 moves), and perhaps only works on non-npc characters?|
suggest_time=18:38, 6 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*Sounds great! I've heard that some of the toxicins used to poison darts can induce illutions. It would be interesting if poisoning increases AP usage for certain actions or even better imagined enemies (that Sixth Sence could pick out).--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 08:24, 7 April 2006 (BST)
* Have you seen the size of the some of the blowpipes that certain tribes carry? They're anything from 6 to 10 foot long! It's hardly surprising that they occupy the same inventory space as a rifle :) On the other hand, poisoning from darts sounds like a good idea.. I don't know that they should poison forever though, maybe for a limited number of AP, but perhaps have the effect be cumulative up to a certain point? Get shot 5 times and you lose 1 HP for every AP used for 5 x whatever the limit is. Does that make sense? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:16, 7 April 2006 (BST)
***Exactly - e.g., each poison dart that hits adds 2 AP to the poison duration, and while poisoned, you lose 1HP per AP used. The Poison Dart would eventually inflict 6 hp of damage, offsetting the extra damage and double barrel of the rifle. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 07:22, 12 April 2006 (BST)
**That might work, that way the Warrior has incentive to continue using the blowpipe multiple times on a target rather than just switch to their machete after the poison takes effect. Add to the character table a boolean flag (Poison = True) and give it a Poison Timer int. When the timer reaches 0, the Poison gets flipped to False. When the character dies or a FAK or Herb is applied, the Poison gets flipped to False and the timer gets set to 0. If the flag is True and they're poisoned again, stack the timer. I'm going to put forth this suggestion to the Forum. I don't have a lot of experience with using the blowpipe (I'm a machete guy) so they should weigh in on this. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:17, 7 April 2006 (BST)
* Or how about you can find [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_dart_frog#Toxicity frogs] and use them to put differnt posion effects on your darts? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:57, 11 April 2006 (BST)
:*If we're adding poison dart frogs, I demand that they be lickable. It wouldn't be right, if you couldn't lick the poison dart frogs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:14, 11 April 2006 (BST)
::* Ok... then some benifical frogs too! And people can't tell the diffrence between them unless they get some skill? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:27, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*Bump! Awaiting a short lifespan (eg 4hp) additional poison effect for poison darts. And/or Native-only Poisoning skill so that Snake + Dart = uberdart that causes permanent poisoning (aka shark wound). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 20:51, 1 June 2006 (BST)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
<br>This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Moving through fully chopped down or overgrown jungle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Movement change|
suggest_scope=Every character in the game|
suggest_description=I sugget a change in the movement mechanics. It may not be approved by you, but I think it's logical. I wouls like to see a change that allows to reduce movement on fully chopped (d0) squares of jungle (I think that a reduction to 0,5 AP/move <s>(0,25 AP/move with Trekking skill)</s>, and an increase on (I think) squares ranging from d7 to d9 to 2 AP/move (1 AP/move with Trekking). D10 squares stay impossible to pass, until chopped. The logic says that when you have nothing under your feet except for ground you move faster, and in dense growth areas you walk slower. Such a change as I proposed may also need an adjustment in the jungle growth speed.|
suggest_time=22:15, 1 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Xintlaer|Xintlaer]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like this, except the part about the trekking skill giving the ability to move 4 d(0) squares in one AP, that should definitely not be done. Maybe this: trekking should only apply to d(1) and up (the skill description says "faster movement through the jungle" anyway), and on d(0), all characters, whether trekking or not, should expend 0.5 AP to move onto another d(0) square. (note that if both of those changes are made it would not harm trekking-people, their AP-usage would be same as it is now.) One benefit of lowering movement cost on d(0) squares as far as game dynamics is concerned, is that it would make roads, the upkeep of roads, and the upkeep of towns (keeping towns free of jungle overgrowth), actually meaningful in a practical sense, by allowing for quicker travel. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 22:41, 1 June 2006 (BST)
** Exactly what I was going to say, Arminius. Trekking on a road would be absolutely incredible... so we just don't give trekkers any added bonus there.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:52, 1 June 2006 (BST)
***Understood, agreed, changing--[[User:Xintlaer|Xintlaer]] 09:13, 2 June 2006 (BST)
*0.5 AP per square on roads (still 0.5 AP with Trekking). 2 AP per square on heavy jungle (1 AP with Trekking). Creates tangible effect for the Highway Society - Preservation Front conflicts. An absolutely brilliant suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:06, 2 June 2006 (BST)
* Nice idea. Tap tap tap.. try that.. I think it should be pretty much what you've said. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:40, 2 June 2006 (BST)

}}

Talk:Death

2006-06-03T04:11:01Z

Jackel: /* Avoiding Death */

the spend 50ap to contact a shamen applies to outsiders and natives so I took out the "an outsider" right before spirt.

== General Spirit Questions ==
Q. When you say that a spirit can move freely, do you mean movement costs no AP?

A. Movement does cost AP, what it means is you can travel through jungle that you would have to chop first without the need to chop.I have no clue what it means for water however, it may still take 2 ap to travel through. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:Both water and swamp only take 1 AP when dead. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]]
::Does movement through jungle with the trekking skill cost 1AP or 1/2? -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:::According to Jackel's note on the Suggestions page, Trekking doesn't work when you're a spirit. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

Q. What actions can a spirit perform?

A. With no skills you can only move, refresh, and contact shamen to get revived for 50ap, looking at the skills page it would seem that you can get skills to talk and a skill to scream whatever the use of that is.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:I have been able to enter and leave a hut as a spirit. :D --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

A. Futhermore, the movement while a spirit does NOT appear to update on the player's map. A logical, if frustrating fact.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:40, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

Q. Is there any punishment for death? Lost items? Lost experience?

A. As far as I could tell, I lost no xp or items when I died so the only "punishment" is having to spend ap to goto a shamen, ethier by spending 50ap or moving to the closest village and getting revived. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:My character, which died from an untreated shark bite, is still wounded after being revived. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::(Lingering shark bite bug appears to have been fixed.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:08, 17 May 2006 (BST)

Thank you both. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:13, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

== Haunting Scream Tree Questions/Comments ==
When I recently died, I think each Haunting Scream cost one AP and produced a message to state that I screamed. I found a fellow Native with Sixth sense and proceeded to scream at them. There was no indication of anyone being damaged by it although I did earn XP (which in my haste, I suppose I didn't document). I resurrected and returned to my test subject to see that they did not sustain any damage. So perhaps I was unknowingly attacking a Survivor that was hiding nearby? I guess it might also be impossible to PK with the screams. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:52, 28 April 2006 (BST)

None of the Shriek/Scream/Wail effects can be used in the presence of a village Shaman (flavour text to the effect that the Shaman spreads a peaceful aura or somesuch). Unknown radius. Observed up to 4 squares away from the Pirate's Shaman). I expect to be a spirit, shortly, and will test the radius. It may be worth returning to my home village to see if there is a distinction between home/away --[[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 10:10, 1 May 2006 (BST)
:The effects of scream are blocked in a 5x5 square centred on the village Shaman, the effects of wail are negated over an area of 11x11 - "You feel the calming influence of the shaman, Jakota, sweep over you and the scream dies in your throat." and "You feel the calming influence of the shaman, Jakota, sweep over you and the banshee wail dies in your throat."[[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 00:08, 2 May 2006 (BST)

=== XP ===
Q. Are you earning XP for the damage you deal with Haunting scream / Shocking shriek / Banshee wail? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:43, 18 April 2006 (BST)

A. Yes. Scream yields 1 XP per AP when in the same square as a target. Wail has a variable yield, each attempt costs 2 AP but XP varies as follows;
<br>
:0 XP - "You let out a banshee wail but life carries on as normal."
:1 XP - "You let out a banshee wail causing very slight damage."
:4 XP - "You let out a banshee wail causing major damage."
:5 XP - "You let out a banshee wail causing critical amounts of damage."

Q. If yes. Is that XP consistent with combat-earned XP in that attacking your own type only earns 1/2 XP? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:43, 18 April 2006 (BST)

I see where your going with this, Lint. As it stands, I've only been on the receiving end of a banshee wail. Actually, about 20 of them, about half of them caused 4 points of damage to my native, and possibly the other 4 people in the sqaure I was in, if they happened to have "sixth sense".

This tree needs some serious examination! If spirit players get XP for damage caused, than its an XP farm, since there's currently no way of harming or sanctioning "spirits", they can just sit back and wail without fear of repercussion. If they don't get XP, than its a grief tree--a consequence-free way of harming other players without risk or benefit to themselves. Having sixth sense is pointless without a means of defending oneself from these spirits. PLEASE ADDRESS THIS, SIMON! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:24, 20 April 2006 (BST)
:Actually, I was just curious about the skill's mechanics. I hadn't put much thought into abuse. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:40, 20 April 2006 (BST)
:: I wouldn't call it too much of an XP farm, it is much easier to escape from a ghost than a PKer. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 18:48, 2 May 2006 (BST)
::: But it is much much harder to track a ghost than a PKer. When a newbie character logs on after a PK death, they see the damage log, kill message, and profile info of their killer. A non-psychic character who logs on after dying from banshee wails has no idea who killed them (or even how many killers were involved). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:13, 3 May 2006 (BST)
::::Even those with sixth sense cannot see the name of the ghost that wailed at them. Honestly, though, I see no reason not to allow it. I'm working up for one of my characters to become a permanent ghost. I might make the switch as soon as I've got Haunting Scream, and get the rest of the necessary XP from that. I don't see it as an XP farm, but as a viable means of RP. That said, I've yet to hear anyone use Ghostly Whisper. :/ I'll certainly address that with the upcoming ghost character.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 17:22, 9 May 2006 (BST)

=== Range ===
Q. How far can the scream reach? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:52, 28 April 2006 (BST)

=== Attract ===
Q. Haunting Scream's description states it can attract spirits - any evidence of this? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:52, 28 April 2006 (BST)

=== Percentage ===
I was recently the victim to a Banshee wail attack. I heard a total of 36 wails, and was damaged 7 times. A 19.4% success rate. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:32, 30 April 2006 (BST)

* I was hit by 5 of 12 wails, but there were about 10 other people in the hut, so that overall I suspect that there was a lot of mayhem. (Did that player really earn 4x5x10=200xp for 12 AP??) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 17:12, 30 April 2006 (BST)
: Spirits can wail inside huts, but not villages. If everone left the hut when they were done and didn't sleep in them, the ghost wouldn't be able to get much XP. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 18:48, 2 May 2006 (BST)

I now experienced a Shocking shriek attack. I heard a total of 25 shrieks, and was damaged 4 times. A 16% success rate. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:02, 6 May 2006 (BST)

=== Flavor text ===
'''Haunting Scream'''
*You let out a haunting scream.

'''Shocking Shriek'''
*You let out a shocking shriek but life carries on as normal.
*You let out a shocking shriek causing just a little damage.
*You let out a shocking shriek causing lots of damage.
*You hear a shocking shriek coming from all around you.
*You hear a shocking shriek coming from all around you, and lose 2 HP from fear.

'''Banshee Wail'''
*You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you.
*You hear a banshee wail coming from all around you, and lose 4 HP from fear.

== Data ==

=== Scream ===

=== Shriek ===
Potential victims in the immediate area, cost per shriek, xp earned per success, amount of damage.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" style="border: solid 1px #ccc; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #f9f9f9"
|-bgcolor="#dddddd"
! Class !! Victims !! AP cost !! XP earned !! Damage
|-
| Pirate
| 5 Natives
| 3 AP
| 0 XP
| but life carries on as normal
|-
| Pirate
| 5 Natives
| 3 AP
| 2 XP
| causing very slight damage
|-
| Pirate
| 6 Natives
| 3 AP
| 0 XP
| but life carries on as normal
|-
| Pirate
| 6 Natives
| 3 AP
| 2 XP
| causing very slight damage
|-
| Pirate
| 6 Natives
| 3 AP
| 4 XP
| causing just a little damage
|-
| Pirate
| 6 Natives
| 3 AP
| 6 XP
| causing a fair bit of damage
|}

====Type 2 table====
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" style="border: solid 1px #ccc; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #f9f9f9"
|-bgcolor="#dddddd"
! Sig !! AP Cost !! Hits/Total !! 1 XP !! 2 XP !! 3 XP !! 4 XP !! 5 XP !! 6 XP !! Total XP
|-
| [[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:48, 3 June 2006 (BST) || 3 || 10/25 || _ || 7 || _ || 2 || _ || 1 || 28
|}

=== Wail ===

=== Victims ===
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" style="border: solid 1px #ccc; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #f9f9f9"
|-bgcolor="#dddddd"
! Class !! Sixth sense !! Sound !! Damage
|}

== Revival at other towns/villages ==
'''Note:''' ''Information and advice found in this section may be out-of-date with the recent shaman changes.'' --20:53, 16 May 2006 (BST)

Can anyone confirm that a player can be revived at another town/village? My York scientist is currently a spirit, and not even very close to York, yet when I try to "contact a shaman", I am told that Kahuni (the NPC shaman at York) is currently trying to become a non-spirit himself, and can't revive me. I can't see any option that would allow another shaman to revive me, so I wonder how it can be done. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:44, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:This is definitely possible, I have done it myself. All you need to do is find another village/settlement and then stand over the shamen. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 01:46, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
::This allows you to perform the evil trick of going to a native village as an outsider spirit (or vice-versa), reviving at the shaman and going on a killing spree...
:::Agreed! I've resisted the temptation myself, but what's to stop me from entering a "hostile" village, murdering everything within my AP limit, getting killed, getting revived by the local shaman, waiting until my AP is maxed out, standing up, going on another murderous rampage, rinse, repeat until I'm about level 400? Its a lot better than wandering around looking for animals, and there's ZERO repercussions. This needs to be addressed, either through death sanctions, or something else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:28, 20 April 2006 (BST)
::::In the case of the original poster, I assume that the local shaman had been killed, and resurrections were delayed pending the shaman's recovery. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 19:59, 2 May 2006 (BST)

Q: There appear to be two ways to revive: (1) I've been revived by clicking the "Contact Shaman (25AP)" button, but (2) how do you revive by hand? Generally floating back and forth over the shaman doesn't seem to help, nor does clicking "Refresh" repeatedly. Do you simply float onto the shaman's square, and then wait for a single clock tick?

A: <s>Yes.</s> ''(Changed on May 16.)''
:Well, this is interesting ... I've been standing over the Pirates' shaman for 4 clock ticks now, and haven't been revived. I wonder what's up? --[[User:Motogrrl|Motogrrl]] 20:26, 16 May 2006 (BST)
A: Apparently, the only way to revive is to choose either contact hometown shaman (25AP) or contact nearest shaman (50AP). It is no longer possible to revive by floating over a shaman. Can anyone confirm that wandering jungle shamans cannot revive by floatover?? --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:10, 17 May 2006 (BST)

== Avoiding Death ==

How can someone avoid death? Hiding in a hut doesn't work. --[[User:LouisB3|LouisB3]] 22:43, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:Best bet is to find a large group of others of your kind and stay on that square. Just hope that there aren't spirits lurking about! [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 07:08, 16 May 2006 (BST)
::Out in the middle of nowhere is often quite safe as well, since there is no one around to kill you. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:04, 16 May 2006 (BST)
:I heard that tying live salmon to your feet is a good death ward. Try it!--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:45, 16 May 2006 (BST)
::You don't need [[Tracking|Expert Tracking]] to follow [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] around! --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:12, 17 May 2006 (BST)
:::Don't be a native. Outsiders favor Natives by more than 2:1, and its no coincidence, as the current class stucture heavily favors them. Kinda odd for a virtually undiscovered island, they'll probably be strip malls in a few months. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:11, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Talk:Identify Friend or Foe

2006-06-03T04:02:16Z

Jackel:

Talk:Gameplay

2006-06-02T19:33:24Z

Jackel: /* AP for movement increased? */ forgot to sign

While swimming in water I ventured out and got "wounded" and for every action I take I lose 1 hp(including talking) I don't know if it should go in this section but If somebody would place this info somewheres it would be good thanks -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 19:53, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think the sharks are mentioned on the [[Animals]] and '''Water''' section on the [[Locations]] page? I will try and emphasize it though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:01, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
::Added warning to movement section as well, since shark bites are invariably fatal without first aid. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:00, 15 May 2006 (BST)

==Combat==
Should it not be specified that the only melee weapons that break are cutlasses and machetes? Or have I just had good luck thusfar with knives and daggers?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 19:55, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:If I remember correctly, you're just lucky. I'll try to get a confirmed knife break, but breakages are rare... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 20:55, 15 May 2006 (BST)

== AP for movement increased? ==

Both my characters (one native, one outsider) have had trekking for a long time, and up until recently, I agreed with this article that roughly every 2 squares of movement consumed 1 AP. Today, I've noticed an AP being consumed ''with every square of travel'', through normal jungle terrain, even through a village. Has anyone else noticed this sudden increase in AP cost?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 20:33, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Talk:Gameplay

2006-06-02T19:33:03Z

Jackel: AP for movement increased?

Gameplay

2006-06-02T19:29:03Z

Jackel: /* Move */ movement rate change?

{| cellpadding=10 align=right
| __TOC__
|}
'''Gameplay''' in Shartak occurs on a grid-like map of the island. Players participate as outsider and native characters and interact with one another. The island is also home to many characters controlled by the system. These non-player characters ([[NPC]]s) include helpful [[shaman]]s, [[trader]]s, and various [[animals]].

While the game is primarily geared towards the raging conflict between outsiders and natives, players are free to devise their own unique goals. There is no right or wrong way to play, though there are certain methods which are more efficient at accomplishing a desired task.

== Mechanics ==

=== Action Points ===
Characters rely on '''Action Points''' ('''AP''') to perform almost all actions in the game, such as moving, speaking, writing, fighting, searching, and trading (see explanations below). Most actions cost 1 AP. When a character's AP reaches 0, they rest and are temporarily unable to do anything.

One AP is replenished every 20 minutes; in 24 hours, a character regains 72 AP. Most players cannot exceed 75 AP, but scouts and explorers have a maximum of 80.

Some actions use 0 AP (such as dropping an item or proposing a trade at a [[Trader|trading hut]]). Others use 0.5 AP (e.g, movement over land with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill uses 0.5 AP, and ''[[Advanced Tracking]]'' uses 1.5 AP). Every 10 minutes, your character regains 0.5 AP.

If you run out of AP, the game will tell you how many minutes you have to wait until you get another one. Some activities cannot be performed if they would send you into negative AP (e.g., [[Death|contacting a shaman]]). Other actions (like moving through swampy [[terrain]] or swimming) can send you into negative AP, in which case you will be unable to act until your AP becomes positive again.

=== Experience Points ===
:''Main article: [[XP]]''
Performing certain actions earns '''Experience Points''' ('''XP'''). Players with enough XP can buy [[skills]], which improve a character's current abilities or grant new ones. The most common way to gain experience is to attack an animal or another player.

=== Hit Points ===
Every human and [[Animals|animal]] in Shartak has a limited amount of '''Hit Points''' ('''HP'''). Damage inflicted to a character (by other players or animals, etc.) will reduce their current amount of HP. Some [[items]], including all drinks and most fruits, will replenish a player's HP if they are consumed or used.

If a character's HP reaches 0, they [[Death|die]]. But death is not the end; it is just another part of the game. Dead characters can play as spirits or can contact a [[shaman]] on the island who will assist them in returning to life. (Contacting the shaman in your home village costs 25 AP, while contacting the nearest wandering shaman costs 50.)

Players can be harmed and killed even while they are logged out (asleep). You may sleep, but for other players on the island, life goes on.

== Generic actions ==

=== Move ===
Your character is located in the center block in the 5x5 map grid. You can move into any directly adjacent block that has the "Move" button by clicking on it.

Movement through [[jungle]], [[beach]], and [[grassland]] terrain usually costs 1 AP, but with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill it only costs 0.5 AP (you can move two squares and only lose one AP — note that character AP display is rounded off) '''this info may no longer be accurate, see talk page'''. Other terrains (like [[swamp]] or [[water]]) are harder to traverse and consume more AP per movement. Certain terrain can be dangerous: swimming in deep water can result in a [[shark]] bite, which requires a [[first aid kit]] or [[healing herb]]s to cure.

Besides moving to adjacent areas, characters can also enter and leave huts, ship compartments, and temples found in their current location. They are also capable of climbing mountain paths and certain tunnels.

=== Push ===
Maximum density jungle terrain requires chopping down some of the growth (using a [[machete]]) before moving there. If you aren't carrying a machete, you can attempt to "push" through maximum density jungle, but you will fail most of the time.

=== Chop ===
If they have a [[machete]] or [[cutlass]], characters can chop down the jungle in their immediate area. Passable jungle growth ranges from level 9 (dark green) down to level 0 (brown dirt). Characters can also chop impassable jungle (level 10) in adjacent areas down to level 9. All jungle (and [[camp]]) areas regrow vegetation over time.

=== Attack ===
You can attack other players and animals which are in the same area as you. Use the first pull-down menu to select the target. Use the second pull-down menu select the weapon you wish to use.

The value represents the damage (in HP, see above) you will inflict if you hit the target. The percentage is your chance to hit the target, or your accuracy. Higher accuracy means a higher chance of hitting the target.

Occasionally your melee weapon breaks and is discarded, and occasionally you inflict extra damage: "Maybe it's luck or maybe it's skill, your attack is right on target and inflicts more damage than normal. You attack the tiger for 5 damage. It dies." (See ''[[Special weapon event odds]]'' for related research.)

=== Search area ===
No matter where you are, you can attempt to search your immediate area for any items you might find useful, and on most squares you have a chance to find certain [[items]]. Your [[search odds results|success rate]] in finding items and the types of items you find depend on the type of terrain you are searching. The best search success rates are found in [[Hut|medical huts]] and [[Hut|ammunition huts]] in [[camp]]s, as supplies have already been stacked in them. Searching almost always costs one AP, although some difficult terrain can require more than 1 AP per search attempt.

An unsuccessful search generally does not mean that there are no items in the area, just that you didn't find any on that attempt. You can search any area multiple times and continue to find items. (See ''[[How searching works]]'' for more information.)

=== Speak ===
If another player is in the same area as you, you can communicate with them by using the textfield next to the "Speak" button and then clicking the button.

All outsiders can understand each other, and all natives understand each other. But without learning the [[language]] of the other group (see ''[[Skills]]''), it is difficult for an outsider to comprehend the words of a native and vice versa.

=== Write ===
:''Main article: [[Writing]]''
If you own a [[knife]] or [[dagger]], you can leave [[Writing|messages]] on huts, trees, and in the sand. These messages are not permanent, but they provide a means of creating temporary landmarks and communicating with other players. However, without certain language skills it is difficult for outsiders and natives to understand each other's messages, as they speak different languages.

=== Make signpost ===
:''Main article: [[Signpost]]''
With two pieces of [[driftwood]], you can place a semi-permanent signpost in an outdoor location. Signs can be used to communicate with other characters (for example by marking directions and distances to important locations). Outsiders and natives write in different languages.

=== Look for tracks ===
:''Main article: [[Tracking]]''
With ''[[Basic Tracking]]'', ''[[Advanced Tracking]]'', and ''[[Expert Tracking]]'' skills your character has the ability to examine the area for the paths of animals, shamans, and other players that have passed through the area previously.

=== Trade ===
:''Main article: [[Trading]]''
When inside a trading hut, your character has the opportunity to trade an inventory item for those that the trader has in their inventory.

== Inventory ==
:''Main article: [[Items]]''
Certain [[items]] in your inventory list can be used by clicking their respective buttons. Many items can only be used once. Generally, clicking on a bottle of liquid or a fruit will heal you (for example, a [[banana]] heals 1 HP), and the item will disappear from your inventory.

Certain items (currently [[first aid kit]]s and [[healing herb]]s) can be used on other characters or animals by selecting the target with the pull-down menu.

Some items like machetes, may break or become blunt naturally with use.

In order to sharpen a blunt weapon, click on the [[sharpening stone]], not on the weapon.

Certain items are usable only by the outsiders ([[rifle]]s, first aid kits, [[GPS unit]]s) and other items are only usable by natives ([[blowpipe]]s, healing herbs). Every character can learn the appropriate [[Skills|knowledge skill]] to enable them to use foreign items.

There is an inventory limit of about 71 units of space. Some items, such as rifles and blowpipes, take more than one unit of space, and gold coins take no inventory spaces.

Items can be dropped from the inventory by using the pull-down menu and clicking the "Drop" button. Dropping an item costs 0 AP and any item that is dropped cannot be retrieved. Dropped items are immediately removed from the game, and cannot be recovered by anyone.

Talk:Animals

2006-05-31T18:55:33Z

Jackel:

== Animal attack rates ==

Until now I haven't been looking out to see how often certain animals attack, but it would be interesting to record it on the animals page. So far:

* Elephants: have attacked once an hour when on the same square as me (35 minutes past the hour according to the game report from the server)
* Tigers: have attacked me twice an hour when on the same square (5 minutes past and 35 minutes past according to the game)

Though I'm pretty sure there were times when they attacked less often. Perhaps there's some randomness. Some tigers are pussycats.

Anyone else have reports? If so, add here and transfer to the animal page when it looks helpful
--[[User:The Wary Marsh|The Wary Marsh]] 09:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)

:Yes, the Damage column is worse than useless without the Number of Attacks and the Percentage Chance to Hit listed. If an animal causes 4 damage per hit but only attacks once per half hour at 10%, the animal is fairly harmless, whereas an animal with 3 attacks per half hour at 50% would be lethal.
:* In 22 half hour increments (at :05 and :35), an alligator missed me 4 times, hit once 17 times, and hit twice 1 time (two attacks for 3 damage with the same timestamp). This is extremely consistent with 2x 45% 3dmg.
:* In 35 half hour increments (at :05 and :35), an elephant missed me 14 times and hit once 21 times. This is notextremely consistent with 1x 60% 4dmg.
:I'm going to say that all animals perform their attack routine once per half hour (at :05 and :35). Their combat routine is very similar to characters, with a percentage chance to hit that is a multiple of 5% and a weapon damage of 1 to 4.
:Alligators, tigers, and possibly other animals, are known to have a multiple attack routine -- that means that they can surely hit you for twice the listed damage in less than a minute. The other possibility I can think of is that I was attacked by two of the same creature type, one of which then wandered off or was killed. (Next time it happens I'll screenshot the timestamps.) Imho that's important information that needs to be listed on the wiki, and further researched. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 24 May 2006 (BST)

:I can help with a boar and large stag. I was recently killed by what appears to be one of each.
:* In 35 half hour increments (beginning at 00:35 and ending at 18:05), a large stag missed me 13 times, hit me 22 times, and did not appear to hit more than once at any given time. 1 x 62.9% 2 dmg. (for the sake of simplicity rounded down to 60%).
:* In 22 half hour increments (beginning at 07:05 and 17:35), a wild boar missed me 10 times, hit me 12 times, and did not appear to hit more than once at any given time. 1 x 54.5% 2 dmg. (for the sake of simplicity rounded up to 55%). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 10:12, 24 May 2006 (BST)

::Incidentally, since the game doesn't show misses, only hits, and I forgot to check the time when I previously logged off, my attack rates are overestimates -- I should be counting the series of misses that may or may not have occurred before the first hit. (Other misses are sandwiched in between hits and are correctly tallied.) Instead of a random sample of families with boys and girls, take the same random sample, but in each family remove all the young girls until you get to a boy -- the resulting sample is no longer 50/50. (Although for family sizes 35-40 the errors are small.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 11:50, 24 May 2006 (BST)

:It seems the recent news posting means that animals now try to attack you right after you attack them. Can anyone else verify this? --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:20, 29 May 2006 (BST)
::Confirmed. It would appear that the animal makes one attack routine after each of your attempts to attack it (regardless of whether or not you hit). As usual, if the animal misses, you are not notified. Note that this makes poisonberries and FAKs a bit less valuable compared to tasty berries, bottles of water, and other self-healing, since you can now harvest healing XP by impaling yourself against a dangerous animal. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 17:58, 31 May 2006 (BST)

== Easter Bunny ==

Anyone see one of these? I just killed one I found. It didn't give my anything interesting...--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 03:24, 16 April 2006 (BST)
* Sorry, no chocolate eggs for killing the Easter Bunny. Just plenty of XP for the kill (if I did my calculations right). It's unlikely you'll see one with max hp unless someone's feeling kind. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 05:02, 16 April 2006 (BST)
**(Does that mean that the Easter Bunnies were implemented with 50 "max" hit points (to bolster their XP bonus award) even tho they only had 30 HP?) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 11:53, 24 May 2006 (BST)
I just got one, only had 3 hp and didn't attack once it was dead... since Easter was yesterday, was it maybe a straggler? [[User:Tibbalt|Tibbalt]] 11:55, 17 April 2006 (BST)

== Differing HP Limits? ==

I first encountered alligators in the inland swamps, and these had 15HP max. Now i'm over in the swamp on the easternmost peninsula, and alligators here have 25HP max (i've encoutered 4 or 5, each with 25HP). Did all the alligators get a boost in HP limit, or are these alligators super-special-flushed-down-toilet-mutant specimens that get a higher HP limit? This is a rather large swamp, makes sense that it would have bigger alligators. If it is only alligators here that have a higher HP limit, are there any other locations where certain animals have higher HP limits? Also, if it is location based, the chart should reflect this. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:23, 13 May 2006 (BST)
:I think that all of the alligators have been upgraded to 25HP. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:32, 24 May 2006 (BST)

== Do animals move like predators? ==

While waiting for a fellow native to talk to me one day, on successive page refreshes (at approximately equal time intervals) I saw an elephant appear 2N 1W of me, then 1N, then 1W, then 1S, moving south in a zig-zag but not joining us on our square. I suspect that the direction of an animal's movement is unaffected by human presence on surrounding squares, and that aggressive animals (such as elephants) will only attack if the square they move to happens to be occupied by someone; in short, I'm guessing that aggression translates into unprovoked attacks, not predatory movement. This accords with common sense, too; given the number of animals on the island and Simon's awareness of server load, I wouldn't expect him to have coded complicated animal movement rules when simple ones suffice. Of course, it may be that tigers (and boars) hunt while elephants apparently do not. More tests will tell. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] 08:08, 21 May 2006 (BST)
:I just refreshed the map to see that a monkey is on my square; I didn't see it approach. This suggests that passive animals do not try to avoid humans, which sort of suggests that aggressive ones don't hunt them. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] 12:24, 21 May 2006 (BST)
::One theory is that an aggressive animal that ''you have attacked'' will intentionally track you down if you flee a very short distance. Undisturbed animals appear to wander randomly, in my anecdotal experience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 18:00, 31 May 2006 (BST)
:::That a fact, Tycho44. Numerous times when I've lacked the AP to finish off a critter, I've used my last AP to move a couple squares away. When I check back a short while later, rather than running off it has "chased" me, sometimes attacked. Its happened far too many times to be a coincidence. Futhermore, even missed attacks count as "aggression", causing the unhurt animal to become hostile and pursue. Elembis, elephants '''are''' hostile, and, like tigers, attack unprovoked, but I'm not certain how far they can "see" before they begin pursuing. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:55, 31 May 2006 (BST)

== Uncommon Animals? ==

After traveling through the Durham peninsula for several days, I've only come across a few animals per day, spending considerably more AP trying to find them than actually fighting them. Is this common? Do some areas have more animals than others? --[[User:LouisB3|LouisB3]] 20:34, 24 May 2006 (BST)
:Some areas have more animals than others. I'm not sure whether this is due to (1) built-in location preferences, (2) over-hunting by players, or (3) simple random variation. I believe that all three factors are coming into play. Where animals are very scarce, you can harvest more XP by using your first aid kits on the animal before you kill it. Since you are in less danger of animal attacks, you have less need of faks for yourself. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 18:04, 31 May 2006 (BST)

== Giant Squid ==

We've got squids, people. Anyone have any information on these new formidable beasts of the sea? Do they function as sharks do, or can you actually fight them out there? What, precisely, do they do?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 03:43, 30 May 2006 (BST) EDIT: Talk on the forum shows that they start with ''at least'' 300hp, and hit for 5 damage. So they are an actual animal that we can fight. Neat. I'll add them on to the table.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:09, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Talk:Skills

2006-05-25T15:08:49Z

Jackel: /* Triage Skill */

''For information on what skills are available to what class, please consult the [[Talk:Character Classes|Character Classes talk page]].''

== Skill quirks ==

Am I reading this correctly? Ghostly whisper - Allows spirits to speak,Sixth Sense - Sense presence of and hear spirits. Is it just me or does this imply that to hear sprits you need to a) have 6th sense and b)spirt needs ghostly whisper? -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 14:23, 18 February 2006 (GMT)

:Alas, poor Lint has been slain! He is taking advantage of his current situation to explore this phenomenon. As a spirit, his Sixth Sense skill apparently still works. I have detected the presense of another spirit and with Ghostly whisper, I have attempted to communicate with it. I have also used Haunting Scream, but it apparently is not working at the moment. [''You scream loudly. Feel better? This doesn't work yet ;)''] --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:23, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
::Haunting Scream now works :) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:19, 5 April 2006 (BST)

=== Triage Skill ===

'''Triage''' does not appear to work for animals or characters that are of another type. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:13, 10 April 2006 (BST)
:As opposed to Diagnosis in Urban Dead, Triage appears to only display one injured person (literally the most injured) at a time - unless the two people I was healing were constantly attacking one another. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:54, 24 April 2006 (BST)
:By this do you mean that natives with ''Triage'' cannot tell who the most injured outsider in their square is, and vice-versa? Also, what exactly does a player with ''Triage'' see when they're on a square with multiple characters (of their type)? — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] 11:14, 25 May 2006 (BST)
::Players with this skill identify '''the most injured player in that square'''. If there are 3 others in a square, and all have only 1 HP left, triage won't show anything. If there are 3 players, one with 60 HP, one with 40 HP and one with 20 HP, triage will only display the HP of the player with 20 HP. I don't believe players of different factions can use triage this way, and I'm not sure if pirates are considered the same as outsiders for the purposes of this skill.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:08, 25 May 2006 (BST)

=== Tracking Skill ===

'''Basic Tracking''' produces an option to "Look for Tracks" in presumably any terrain. Clicking on this button spends 2 AP to search the area for tracks. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:13, 10 April 2006 (BST)
:"You can't make out any kinds of tracks in these surroundings." - seach inside of a building (in this case, the shipreck's hold) doesn't work, costs no AP. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:05, 17 April 2006 (BST)
::Odd, sometimes my Advanced Tracking costs 2 AP, and at other times 1 AP. Maybe Advanced Tracking costs 1.5 AP?? --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:14, 28 April 2006 (BST)

=== Trekking Skill ===

Also, anyone with the "trekking" care to explain its benefit? Without it, it costs 1 AP to move 1 space, does trekking make it even cheaper to move? Does it let you move through overgrown areas without having to chop through?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 18:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

Trekking reduces your move AP usage by half. Only moving though, chopping remains 1 AP. Thus if you have to chop every move this skill will reduce your movement from 2 AP per move to 1.5 AP per move, but from 1 AP per move to 0.5 AP per move if you can find a clear path. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 19:33, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

Note that it won't show your your AP as being X.5, it will always be displayed as a whole number. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:33, 18 March 2006 (GMT)

'''Trekkking''' looks like it applies to Grassland in addition to Jungle terrain. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:01, 14 April 2006 (BST)
:Trekking also works on Beaches. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:14, 28 April 2006 (BST)

=== Exploration Skill ===

Lacking cartography, I expected that the exposed areas of my map would soon be replaced with the "fog", indicating I'd forgotten those places, but this hasn't happened at all. How does the "forgetting" manifest? How does cartography impact the game if the person's map doesn't fog up again?

Without cartography, blocks of your map will disappear, and become black again. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 19:35, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Any idea how long it takes, Murk? I've been playing for over 2 weeks and its never lost anything, as far as I can tell. Not that I'm complaining =] --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 20:23, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:I can't remember too well to be honest, i've had cartography a long time now, but i can see the evidence of it on my map in the part of the map i visited before i got cartography. Maybe there is a problem with it... --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 21:56, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

Game design

2006-05-08T18:03:30Z

Jackel: /* Shamans */

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This an open forum to discuss game design. These are neither [[Bugs]] nor [[Suggestions]] (though they may lead to bug reports and game proposals), but points to consider for maintaining balance and consistency.

==General==

===Persistent Shark Bites===
As observed by [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] on the bugs page, shark bites that a character acquires when venturing in deep water will still exist after the character is resurrected. What purpose do persistent shark bites serve in the game? While they haven't affected my playing experience very much (I've killed my soldier twice by shark bite for "research"), I can't see a reason to really keep it ingame. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:14, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Combat-centric leveling===
Combat appears to be the most efective way to earn XP. I believe that there must be a means to reward non-combatants more than what healing and chopping vegetation provides. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
* Shouldn't exploring be rewarded? Isn't that why statistics on exploration are kept? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:51, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** It is, but in a fairly limited manner - chance of getting 1XP for chopping into a d10 jungle block. Of course, what with all the intrepid explorers wandering around, there don't seem to be that many of those right now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:57, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
*** Even worse, the chance of getting the 1XP at all seems terrible. Chopping d10 Jungle is the Book-reading of Shartak. In my humble opinion, chopping max jungle should be closer to 33%-100% chance of 1XP, in order to result in at least as much XP as eating forbidden fruit (farming the poison berry / mango grove; about 4 XP per 12 AP). My XP comes from killing animals ... And a game-wide tally of XP earned would probably show similar overall results. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:22, 12 April 2006 (BST)

And I suppose it's not just an issue of XP, but also recognizing other playing goals. In addition to kills, there should be a log for non-combat-oriented activities like healing, revival, chopping, searching, swimming. This would however require a great deal of variable recording and I'm not familiar with supporting an MMORPG to know what kind of stress that would put on the server. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:34, 16 April 2006 (BST)
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===Slow Combat===
Base accuracy for a weapon is higher than a fist, which is arguably unrealistic. One assumes that you would be less skilled with a weapon than your own hand. (I recall reading a similar comment to this, but I can't find it at the moment.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
*All characters appear to have a 10% chance to deal 1 damage with punching.
*Knives and Daggers appear to have a 20% chance to deal 1 damage.

:maybe it is just the punch only has a ten percent chance to actually doing damage(the text does say missed however), I know if i fought somebody who has a knife(or dagger) in RL they would do more to me than me to them, even if niether of us have any training,ex. Fists are a strange weapon and to actually do any damage with a punch(mainly only at the strongest point in your swing) you have to have some good timing.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:02, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I see what you're saying... how about punch 50-70% with a 20-30% chance of inflicting 1 damage after a successful hit, 0 damage otherwise (making it 10-21% but with 3 different messages - miss, hit but don't do damage, hit and do damage). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Let me point out that this isn't really a problem. It's just something that a die-hard realist would try to press. On one hand, you can have Fists as the most accurate weapon until you get weapon skills (which will make the the first levels incredibly painful). On the other hand, you can have weapons as more accurate than fists (which allow new users to quickly become involved in the game). I don't know if I'd have the patience if it took me 70 AP to kill a parrot. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Contact Shaman===
It is likely to be more efficient to die than to search for items and heal yourself. (Based on an observation was made by Leaf on the [[Suggestions]] page.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think this observation is based on the false perception that ''one needs to be fully healed at all times''. There is no fundamental difference in performance when at less than ideal health. Remember, this game is set on an unexplored, remote island, not a heavily populated British suburb *coughUrbanDeadcough* its arguably more realistic to not be at peak health all the time, and for healing items to be somewhat scarce. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:12, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I guess my problem is that death can be used as a tool rather than a game experience. Say you're at 2 HP. You can spend the next few days scrounging for enough recovery items to heal and continue on or you can get killed and begin playing with full HP the next day. Say you're 100 squares away from your hometown and want to get back, if you can get something to kill you (perhaps even kill yourself with poisonous berries), you will have potentially saved AP. I think we should be discouraged from taking advantage of death somehow. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:20, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This is a very good point.. what form of discouragement would be enough to make this less useful? Loss of AP and XP instead of 50AP (if so, what values for each)? Loss of a random skill? Loss of some of your inventory? Maybe you get summoned to the nearest (or random) camp of the same type rather than to your home camp? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::::I do see your point, Lint, and agree, Death should not be so much useful as it is annoying, nor should it be too annoying. One thought I had (aside from simply making it easier to stock healing items with [[Suggestions#Refillable_containers|refillable containers]]) was to make coming back from the dead progressively harder. I don't simply mean heaping onto the AP cost of getting ressurected, but maybe the shaman can send the dead on quests or punishments or something beyond simply waiting for your AP to recover?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

::::It's difficult to suggest something to dissuade death while not motivating griefing. I kind of like the camp idea and quests idea, but I'd need to get more familiar with the death experience before I can truly say anything. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:::::Requiring that a dead person (spirit) must travel to a shaman to be 'resurrected' rather than just hitting the 'spend 50AP - go home' button would stop people using death as a teleporter. Making 'Town Shamans' have to recharge between resurrections (with the amount of time being tweaked depending on player numbers), potentially forcing a spirit to have to hang around and check in on a regular basis to see if the Shaman was ready, would make resurrection less of a sure thing. Another alternative to increase the uncertainty, and hence make death a gamble, not a strategy, would be to give the Town Shamans a %chance to resurrect and a set amount of AP. If too many people tap the Shaman looking for resurrections, they are 'asleep' 'til they recharge. Both would also increase the value of player shamans (whom I presume can also resurrect if they have the right skills). [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:58, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::"Recharging" Shamens sounds like a reasonable idea.
::::::: I like the idea of the spirit having to find the shaman to ressurect him; in addition to the AP cost, they have to wander around the jungle, find their bearings, etc. It also segues nicely for the player shaman to have a skill allowing them to ressurect. Zerging risk here, having a player run a shaman and a "fighter", keeping them close so the shaman PC can quickly revive the fallen fighter. Also, this might create imbalance the two factions, as the PC shamen may not want to revive Outsiders.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:37, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:::::::: If you make Scientists able to revive people as well (they share most of the Shaman skills) would keep faction balance in. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:24, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::I believe that the purpose behind "Contact Shaman" feature is so players that haven't a clue where the nearest village is (ie. ME) don't spend the rest of the game as a lost spirit. I think I'd just create a new character if I wasn't presented with the option to contact a Shaman. Another alternative that I've considered is perhaps the Town Shaman's power isn't as strong over long distances. If a spirit choose to contact a Shaman, they would respawn where they originally died, but with reduced HP. Perhaps a greater distance from the hometown results in less HP. This would put an end to teleportation and make taking advantage of death to gain full health slightly less advantageous (at least if the player is not within reasonable walking distance of a Town Shaman). However, I can see problems if some animal or PKer is camping the corpse, waiting to clobber them when they return. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:32, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:::::::A fair point, what if the player received a message from his "home shaman" if he was he was too far away, and needed to move xx squares in direction X, xx squares in direction Y to be "in range". That player could also choose to go to another shaman if he thought one was closer. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:39, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

After now experiencing multiple encounters with death, I feel that 50 AP is an acceptable cost and I am finding it hard to see how exactly this feature can be taken advantage of. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:18, 6 April 2006 (BST)
::Also, remember that anyone who scrounges healing items to get back up to full hit points is going to gain 50XP (or whatever) through the process of healing. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:25, 12 April 2006 (BST)

====Summary====
To summarize: Contacting a Shaman can currently be taken advantage of to bypass Traveling and to bypass Recovery. Both are presumably essential experiences to how the game is played.
*We can prevent the teleportation element by removing the option to contact a Shaman altogether.
**However, to provide a user-friendly game experience it probably needs to be kept in place.
***We can reduce our dependency for this option by increasing the number of available respawn locations.
****Reduces the established punishment of having to cover lost ground.
*Rather than the Hometown Shaman, players contact the nearest Town Shaman.
**This will reduce excessive teleportation, but does not eliminate it.
*Allow the Shaman to be contacted but the player respawns where it was rather than hometown.
**Reduces teleportation, but also reduces the established punishment of having to cover lost ground.
*We can artificially represent the act of Traveling and Recovery by extending the time and/or AP spent before resurrection can occur.
**Increasing AP cost
**Quests
**Queues
**Chance
*Or apply penalties after resurrection.
**Reduced HP
**Temporarily Reduced Actions (only movement and inventory; no combat, speech, writing)
***Temporarily Reduced Accuracy
*Or apply penalties to discourage dying in general.
**Loss of XP
**Loss of Skill
**Loss of Item

==Outsider/Native Balance==
'''Axiom''': Outsiders and Natives should not have a complete advantage over the other.<br>
'''Axiom''': Different, but equal.

===Population===
Natives are currently outnumbered by Outsiders. --04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
* The introduction of Pirates as an Outsider character class may further tip the population imbalance without a Native counterpart. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:49, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Pirates currently account for 199 active players. There are 394 active outsiders (not including pirates) and 308 active natives. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)
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===Actions===
Actions that Natives by default can do, that Outsiders by default cannot:
*Can determine the difference between "Tasty" and "Poisonous" berries.
*Can use Blowdarts
*Can use Medical Herbs
*Can understand other Natives

Actions that Outsiders by default can do, that Natives by default cannot:
*Can use a GPS unit.
*Can use Rifles
*Can use First Aid Kits
*Can understand other Outsiders

==Class Balance==
'''Axiom''': No class should have a complete advantage over the other.

===Soldiers and Warriors===
According to the [[Talk:Character Classes|chart]], Soldiers have a slight advantage over other classes in regards to skills. Add to that their high HP, gives them even more of an edge. The only disadvantage they face is the process of searching and reloading ammunition. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:Assuming that chart is accurate, the soldier isn't even the most advantageous class among his own group! The scientist has more total skills available then a soldier, and if you give more preference to being able to shoot a gun, then it is important to note how low search rates are, and that ammunition is even more rare. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::The chart isn't complete. I did make some assumptions in possible skills based on what we know about the skill trees, but I don't think that it was wholly inaccurate to do so. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:40, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Shamans===
Shamans supposedly don't start with any items and have the lowest HP.
*Counterpoint: Shamans and their outsider counterpart, Scientists, are among some of the highest ranking characters at the moment. Something is obviously working. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:What shamen may lack in starting inventory they more than make up for in overall skill potential (seemingly the most of any class). What good is starting with a banana or a few extra bullets by comparison? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::Say What now? Which skill is exclusively shaman? I've seen none.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 14:58, 8 May 2006 (BST)
:::At the time of writing, the shaman class seemed to have access to skill trees that other classes did not. Those comments are no longer accurate. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:03, 8 May 2006 (BST)
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===Low-population classes===
According to the statistics, there is a lack of interest in Villagers and Settlers. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I agree, at this point there doesn't seem to be any overiding appeal for these classes, which logically should be the most abundant, at least with regards to villagers. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

There are currently two more Villagers than Scouts. Settlers currently remain the lowest. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)
:The introduction of Scavenging makes the Villager and Settler extremely powerful. Currently the Scout and Explorer appear weakest (their higher max AP pool isn't noted on the character class page, and also they might have a lower chance of 'forgetting' without cartography...). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 05:48, 8 May 2006 (BST)
::That possible cartography-related ability is interesting. Never considered that. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 07:15, 8 May 2006 (BST)

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===Mechanics===
Are there any game mechanics (besides HP, starting inventory, and available skills) that are influenced by your character class? Should there be? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
*Inventory size
*Base accuracy
*Base damage
*Search odds
*AP limit

*I have 3 characters and i have more higher search odds with the scientist (3 heavy swords) than the others .. i don't know if it's only a matter of luck or not..--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:08, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

It has since been revealed that Scouts may possess more AP than the other classes. (See [[Requests for Information]] for more) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Game design

2006-05-08T18:03:04Z

Jackel: /* Shamans */

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This an open forum to discuss game design. These are neither [[Bugs]] nor [[Suggestions]] (though they may lead to bug reports and game proposals), but points to consider for maintaining balance and consistency.

==General==

===Persistent Shark Bites===
As observed by [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] on the bugs page, shark bites that a character acquires when venturing in deep water will still exist after the character is resurrected. What purpose do persistent shark bites serve in the game? While they haven't affected my playing experience very much (I've killed my soldier twice by shark bite for "research"), I can't see a reason to really keep it ingame. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:14, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Combat-centric leveling===
Combat appears to be the most efective way to earn XP. I believe that there must be a means to reward non-combatants more than what healing and chopping vegetation provides. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
* Shouldn't exploring be rewarded? Isn't that why statistics on exploration are kept? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:51, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** It is, but in a fairly limited manner - chance of getting 1XP for chopping into a d10 jungle block. Of course, what with all the intrepid explorers wandering around, there don't seem to be that many of those right now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:57, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
*** Even worse, the chance of getting the 1XP at all seems terrible. Chopping d10 Jungle is the Book-reading of Shartak. In my humble opinion, chopping max jungle should be closer to 33%-100% chance of 1XP, in order to result in at least as much XP as eating forbidden fruit (farming the poison berry / mango grove; about 4 XP per 12 AP). My XP comes from killing animals ... And a game-wide tally of XP earned would probably show similar overall results. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:22, 12 April 2006 (BST)

And I suppose it's not just an issue of XP, but also recognizing other playing goals. In addition to kills, there should be a log for non-combat-oriented activities like healing, revival, chopping, searching, swimming. This would however require a great deal of variable recording and I'm not familiar with supporting an MMORPG to know what kind of stress that would put on the server. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:34, 16 April 2006 (BST)
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===Slow Combat===
Base accuracy for a weapon is higher than a fist, which is arguably unrealistic. One assumes that you would be less skilled with a weapon than your own hand. (I recall reading a similar comment to this, but I can't find it at the moment.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
*All characters appear to have a 10% chance to deal 1 damage with punching.
*Knives and Daggers appear to have a 20% chance to deal 1 damage.

:maybe it is just the punch only has a ten percent chance to actually doing damage(the text does say missed however), I know if i fought somebody who has a knife(or dagger) in RL they would do more to me than me to them, even if niether of us have any training,ex. Fists are a strange weapon and to actually do any damage with a punch(mainly only at the strongest point in your swing) you have to have some good timing.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:02, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I see what you're saying... how about punch 50-70% with a 20-30% chance of inflicting 1 damage after a successful hit, 0 damage otherwise (making it 10-21% but with 3 different messages - miss, hit but don't do damage, hit and do damage). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Let me point out that this isn't really a problem. It's just something that a die-hard realist would try to press. On one hand, you can have Fists as the most accurate weapon until you get weapon skills (which will make the the first levels incredibly painful). On the other hand, you can have weapons as more accurate than fists (which allow new users to quickly become involved in the game). I don't know if I'd have the patience if it took me 70 AP to kill a parrot. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Contact Shaman===
It is likely to be more efficient to die than to search for items and heal yourself. (Based on an observation was made by Leaf on the [[Suggestions]] page.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think this observation is based on the false perception that ''one needs to be fully healed at all times''. There is no fundamental difference in performance when at less than ideal health. Remember, this game is set on an unexplored, remote island, not a heavily populated British suburb *coughUrbanDeadcough* its arguably more realistic to not be at peak health all the time, and for healing items to be somewhat scarce. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:12, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I guess my problem is that death can be used as a tool rather than a game experience. Say you're at 2 HP. You can spend the next few days scrounging for enough recovery items to heal and continue on or you can get killed and begin playing with full HP the next day. Say you're 100 squares away from your hometown and want to get back, if you can get something to kill you (perhaps even kill yourself with poisonous berries), you will have potentially saved AP. I think we should be discouraged from taking advantage of death somehow. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:20, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This is a very good point.. what form of discouragement would be enough to make this less useful? Loss of AP and XP instead of 50AP (if so, what values for each)? Loss of a random skill? Loss of some of your inventory? Maybe you get summoned to the nearest (or random) camp of the same type rather than to your home camp? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::::I do see your point, Lint, and agree, Death should not be so much useful as it is annoying, nor should it be too annoying. One thought I had (aside from simply making it easier to stock healing items with [[Suggestions#Refillable_containers|refillable containers]]) was to make coming back from the dead progressively harder. I don't simply mean heaping onto the AP cost of getting ressurected, but maybe the shaman can send the dead on quests or punishments or something beyond simply waiting for your AP to recover?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

::::It's difficult to suggest something to dissuade death while not motivating griefing. I kind of like the camp idea and quests idea, but I'd need to get more familiar with the death experience before I can truly say anything. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:::::Requiring that a dead person (spirit) must travel to a shaman to be 'resurrected' rather than just hitting the 'spend 50AP - go home' button would stop people using death as a teleporter. Making 'Town Shamans' have to recharge between resurrections (with the amount of time being tweaked depending on player numbers), potentially forcing a spirit to have to hang around and check in on a regular basis to see if the Shaman was ready, would make resurrection less of a sure thing. Another alternative to increase the uncertainty, and hence make death a gamble, not a strategy, would be to give the Town Shamans a %chance to resurrect and a set amount of AP. If too many people tap the Shaman looking for resurrections, they are 'asleep' 'til they recharge. Both would also increase the value of player shamans (whom I presume can also resurrect if they have the right skills). [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:58, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::"Recharging" Shamens sounds like a reasonable idea.
::::::: I like the idea of the spirit having to find the shaman to ressurect him; in addition to the AP cost, they have to wander around the jungle, find their bearings, etc. It also segues nicely for the player shaman to have a skill allowing them to ressurect. Zerging risk here, having a player run a shaman and a "fighter", keeping them close so the shaman PC can quickly revive the fallen fighter. Also, this might create imbalance the two factions, as the PC shamen may not want to revive Outsiders.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:37, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:::::::: If you make Scientists able to revive people as well (they share most of the Shaman skills) would keep faction balance in. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:24, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::I believe that the purpose behind "Contact Shaman" feature is so players that haven't a clue where the nearest village is (ie. ME) don't spend the rest of the game as a lost spirit. I think I'd just create a new character if I wasn't presented with the option to contact a Shaman. Another alternative that I've considered is perhaps the Town Shaman's power isn't as strong over long distances. If a spirit choose to contact a Shaman, they would respawn where they originally died, but with reduced HP. Perhaps a greater distance from the hometown results in less HP. This would put an end to teleportation and make taking advantage of death to gain full health slightly less advantageous (at least if the player is not within reasonable walking distance of a Town Shaman). However, I can see problems if some animal or PKer is camping the corpse, waiting to clobber them when they return. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:32, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:::::::A fair point, what if the player received a message from his "home shaman" if he was he was too far away, and needed to move xx squares in direction X, xx squares in direction Y to be "in range". That player could also choose to go to another shaman if he thought one was closer. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:39, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

After now experiencing multiple encounters with death, I feel that 50 AP is an acceptable cost and I am finding it hard to see how exactly this feature can be taken advantage of. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:18, 6 April 2006 (BST)
::Also, remember that anyone who scrounges healing items to get back up to full hit points is going to gain 50XP (or whatever) through the process of healing. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:25, 12 April 2006 (BST)

====Summary====
To summarize: Contacting a Shaman can currently be taken advantage of to bypass Traveling and to bypass Recovery. Both are presumably essential experiences to how the game is played.
*We can prevent the teleportation element by removing the option to contact a Shaman altogether.
**However, to provide a user-friendly game experience it probably needs to be kept in place.
***We can reduce our dependency for this option by increasing the number of available respawn locations.
****Reduces the established punishment of having to cover lost ground.
*Rather than the Hometown Shaman, players contact the nearest Town Shaman.
**This will reduce excessive teleportation, but does not eliminate it.
*Allow the Shaman to be contacted but the player respawns where it was rather than hometown.
**Reduces teleportation, but also reduces the established punishment of having to cover lost ground.
*We can artificially represent the act of Traveling and Recovery by extending the time and/or AP spent before resurrection can occur.
**Increasing AP cost
**Quests
**Queues
**Chance
*Or apply penalties after resurrection.
**Reduced HP
**Temporarily Reduced Actions (only movement and inventory; no combat, speech, writing)
***Temporarily Reduced Accuracy
*Or apply penalties to discourage dying in general.
**Loss of XP
**Loss of Skill
**Loss of Item

==Outsider/Native Balance==
'''Axiom''': Outsiders and Natives should not have a complete advantage over the other.<br>
'''Axiom''': Different, but equal.

===Population===
Natives are currently outnumbered by Outsiders. --04:05, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
* The introduction of Pirates as an Outsider character class may further tip the population imbalance without a Native counterpart. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:49, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Pirates currently account for 199 active players. There are 394 active outsiders (not including pirates) and 308 active natives. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)
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===Actions===
Actions that Natives by default can do, that Outsiders by default cannot:
*Can determine the difference between "Tasty" and "Poisonous" berries.
*Can use Blowdarts
*Can use Medical Herbs
*Can understand other Natives

Actions that Outsiders by default can do, that Natives by default cannot:
*Can use a GPS unit.
*Can use Rifles
*Can use First Aid Kits
*Can understand other Outsiders

==Class Balance==
'''Axiom''': No class should have a complete advantage over the other.

===Soldiers and Warriors===
According to the [[Talk:Character Classes|chart]], Soldiers have a slight advantage over other classes in regards to skills. Add to that their high HP, gives them even more of an edge. The only disadvantage they face is the process of searching and reloading ammunition. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:Assuming that chart is accurate, the soldier isn't even the most advantageous class among his own group! The scientist has more total skills available then a soldier, and if you give more preference to being able to shoot a gun, then it is important to note how low search rates are, and that ammunition is even more rare. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::The chart isn't complete. I did make some assumptions in possible skills based on what we know about the skill trees, but I don't think that it was wholly inaccurate to do so. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:40, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
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===Shamans===
Shamans supposedly don't start with any items and have the lowest HP.
*Counterpoint: Shamans and their outsider counterpart, Scientists, are among some of the highest ranking characters at the moment. Something is obviously working. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:What shamen may lack in starting inventory they more than make up for in overall skill potential (seemingly the most of any class). What good is starting with a banana or a few extra bullets by comparison? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::Say What now? Which skill is exclusively shaman? I've seen none.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 14:58, 8 May 2006 (BST)
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:::At the time of writing, the shaman class seemed to have access to skill trees that other classes did not. Those comments are no longer accurate. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:03, 8 May 2006 (BST)

===Low-population classes===
According to the statistics, there is a lack of interest in Villagers and Settlers. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I agree, at this point there doesn't seem to be any overiding appeal for these classes, which logically should be the most abundant, at least with regards to villagers. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

There are currently two more Villagers than Scouts. Settlers currently remain the lowest. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)
:The introduction of Scavenging makes the Villager and Settler extremely powerful. Currently the Scout and Explorer appear weakest (their higher max AP pool isn't noted on the character class page, and also they might have a lower chance of 'forgetting' without cartography...). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 05:48, 8 May 2006 (BST)
::That possible cartography-related ability is interesting. Never considered that. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 07:15, 8 May 2006 (BST)

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===Mechanics===
Are there any game mechanics (besides HP, starting inventory, and available skills) that are influenced by your character class? Should there be? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
*Inventory size
*Base accuracy
*Base damage
*Search odds
*AP limit

*I have 3 characters and i have more higher search odds with the scientist (3 heavy swords) than the others .. i don't know if it's only a matter of luck or not..--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:08, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

It has since been revealed that Scouts may possess more AP than the other classes. (See [[Requests for Information]] for more) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:44, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Talk:Death

2006-04-19T23:28:33Z

Jackel: /* Revival at other towns/villages */

the spend 50ap to contact a shamen applies to outsiders and natives so I took out the "an outsider" right before spirt.

== Questions ==

Q. When you say that a spirit can move freely, do you mean movement costs no AP?

A. Movement does cost AP, what it means is you can travel through jungle that you would have to chop first without the need to chop.I have no clue what it means for water however, it may still take 2 ap to travel through. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:Both water and swamp only take 1 AP when dead. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]]
::Does movement through jungle with the trekking skill cost 1AP or 1/2? -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:::According to Jackel's note on the Suggestions page, Trekking doesn't work when you're a spirit. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

Q. What actions can a spirit perform?

A. With no skills you can only move, refresh, and contact shamen to get revived for 50ap, looking at the skills page it would seem that you can get skills to talk and a skill to scream whatever the use of that is.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:I have been able to enter and leave a hut as a spirit. :D --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

A. Futhermore, the movement while a spirit does NOT appear to update on the player's map. A logical, if frustrating fact.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:40, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

Q. Is there any punishment for death? Lost items? Lost experience?

A. As far as I could tell, I lost no xp or items when I died so the only "punishment" is having to spend ap to goto a shamen, ethier by spending 50ap or moving to the closest village and getting revived. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
:My character, which died from an untreated shark bite, is still wounded after being revived. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:48, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

Thank you both. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:13, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Haunting Scream Tree ===

Q. Are you earning XP for the damage you deal with Haunting scream / Shocking shriek / Banshee wail? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:43, 18 April 2006 (BST)

Q. If yes. Is that XP consistent with combat-earned XP in that attacking your own type only earns 1/2 XP? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:43, 18 April 2006 (BST)

I see where your going with this, Lint. As it stands, I've only been on the receiving end of a banshee wail. Actually, about 20 of them, about half of them caused 4 points of damage to my native, and possibly the other 4 people in the sqaure I was in, if they happened to have "sixth sense".

This tree needs some serious examination! If spirit players get XP for damage caused, than its an XP farm, since there's currently no way of harming or sanctioning "spirits", they can just sit back and wail without fear of repercussion. If they don't get XP, than its a grief tree--a consequence-free way of harming other players without risk or benefit to themselves. Having sixth sense is pointless without a means of defending oneself from these spirits. PLEASE ADDRESS THIS, SIMON! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:24, 20 April 2006 (BST)

== Revival at other towns/villages ==

Can anyone confirm that a player can be revived at another town/village? My York scientist is currently a spirit, and not even very close to York, yet when I try to "contact a shaman", I am told that Kahuni (the NPC shaman at York) is currently trying to become a non-spirit himself, and can't revive me. I can't see any option that would allow another shaman to revive me, so I wonder how it can be done. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:44, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:This is definitely possible, I have done it myself. All you need to do is find another village/settlement and then stand over the shamen. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 01:46, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
::This allows you to perform the evil trick of going to a native village as an outsider spirit (or vice-versa), reviving at the shaman and going on a killing spree...
:::Agreed! I've resisted the temptation myself, but what's to stop me from entering a "hostile" village, murdering everything within my AP limit, getting killed, getting revived by the local shaman, waiting until my AP is maxed out, standing up, going on another murderous rampage, rinse, repeat until I'm about level 400? Its a lot better than wandering around looking for animals, and there's ZERO repercussions. This needs to be addressed, either through death sanctions, or something else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:28, 20 April 2006 (BST)

Talk:Death

2006-04-19T23:24:08Z

Jackel: /* Haunting Scream Tree */

Death

2006-04-18T21:36:24Z

Jackel: /* Banshee wail */

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When a character runs out of hit points, they become a spirit. There is no apparent loss of items or experience points from dying.

== Spirits ==
"Unfortunately you have died and are now floating around the jungle as a spirit. It seems you don't need to worry about how thick the jungle is any more as you simply pass straight through it, however you can no longer carry anything. You should probably find a Shaman to assist you in returning to life."

Spirits are capable of floating over any terrain (except mountains and sea) for 1 AP. They do not benefit from '''Exploration''' or '''Trekking''' skills. They also cannot use or drop any items that they were carrying at the time of their death.

Spirits by default cannot interact with the realm of the living at all.

=== Ghostly whisper ===
With '''Ghostly whisper''', spirits can communicate with living players that have the '''Sixth Sense''' skill.

It has not been determined if spirits can communicate with other spirits.

=== Haunting scream ===
if a player has the skill "sixth sense" any spirit in the area can use "Haunting scream" to hurt any player with sixth sense in the area for 1 damage!.

=== Shocking shriek ===
...

=== Banshee wail ===
If successful, players with the skill "sixth sense" take 4 points of damage.

== Returning to Life ==

=== Visit a Shaman ===
You can visit the Shamans of any village, even ones of the opposite side, to be reborn with full HP.

*"Here is one of the few "springs of life" on the island. A native shaman has been captured and is held here to reunite the spirits of dead outsiders with their bodies and return them to the land of the living."

*"The shaman appears to be chanting quietly and although very slight, you can feel it having a gradual effect on you."

*"'''(shaman name)''' works his magic with the spring of life and joins you with your body."

*"A shaman has returned your spirit to your body and you are currently recovering from the ordeal of being dead. Thanks to something the shaman has done, you appear as a lifeless body to anyone glancing your way. You may continue with life as soon as you feel strong enough to stand."

*"You stand up feeling much better now you're actually alive."

=== Contact a Shaman ===
You can also contact a Shaman for 50 AP. You will be reborn in your home village with full HP.
*"Using all your concentration you telepathically contact '''(shaman name)''', the shaman at '''(home village)''', who summons your spirit home."
*"As your spirit is whisked across the island, everything goes dark."
*"The world comes back into view and you find that magically you have been brought back to life by '''(shaman name)'''. You lie still for a while as your strength returns."

Apparently, you cannot go into AP debt when contacting a Shaman.
*"Sorry, you don't have enough action points yet. You'll need to wait until you have at least 50 before you can contact the shaman."

Talk:Animals

2006-04-16T02:24:37Z

Jackel:

Animals

2006-04-16T02:23:38Z

Jackel: added Easter Bunny

There are a number of animals around the island that can be attacked. Some of them will attack on sight, others will tend to run away. These are only the animals that have been spotted so far, it's possible that there are others to be found.

{| cellspacing=4 style="background-color:#efefff" |
|-
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''Animal'''
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''Max HP'''
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''Damage'''
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''XP reward'''
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''Found'''
| bgcolor=#dbdcff |'''Notes'''
|-
| | Alligator
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | ?
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Swamp|Swamp]]
| |
|-
| | Deer, large
| align="right" | 30
| align="right" | ?
| align="right" | ?
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Deer, small
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 10
| | [[Locations#Jungle|Jungle]]
| |
|-
| | Elephant
| align="right" | 60
| align="right" | 4
| align="right" | 25
| | [[Locations#Grasslands|Grasslands]], Jungle
| | Aggressive, will attack you unprovoked!
|-
| | Monkey
| align="right" | 10
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 8
| | Jungle
| |
|-
| | Parrot
| align="right" | 5
| align="right" | 1
| align="right" | 5
| | Jungle
| |
|-
| | Rat
| align="right" | ?
| align="right" | ?
| align="right" | ?
| | Tunnels,[[Locations#Caves|Caves]]
| |
|-
| | Shark
| align="right" | -
| align="right" | -
| align="right" | -
| | Sea
| | Cannot be seen nor attacked, but may attack you if you swim out too far.
|-
| | Stag, large
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 2
| align="right" | 10
| | Jungle
| |
|-
| | Tiger
| align="right" | 20
| align="right" | 3
| align="right" | 14
| | Jungle
| | Aggressive, will attack you unprovoked!
|-
| | Wild boar
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 2
| align="right" | 10
| | Jungle
| | Tends to attack without warning!
|-
| | Easter Bunny
| align="right" | 15
| align="right" | 2
| align="right" | 10
| | Jungle
| |

|}
XP reward corresponds to the amount of extra XP that you gain for killing each animal. The XP reward is equal to the total XP you gain over your last hit minus the damage of the weapon.

== Shark Bites ==
When you swim in deep water there is a chance that you will be attacked by an unseen shark. These attacks deal 2 HP damage to the player and also causes a wound that must be healed with a [[Items|first aid kit]] or [[Items|medical herbs]]. If left untreated, it will continue to cause 1 HP damage to the player for every action that they perform.

== Punching ==
Tried punching an elephant and got something other than "You miss" or "You hit" - didn't see what it was as I clicked again too quickly.
* ''You attack the elephant and miss. Suddenly attacking the elephant with your bare hands doesn't seem so clever!''
* ''You attack the elephant and miss. Pausing a moment to reflect on this, tackling the elephant with your bare hands might be considered crazy!''

This happened to me when I attacked a large stag with my fists. Perhaps this applies to other animals as well?
:Confirmed it displays this for tigers as well.
:Does not appear to display for large deer, small deer, monkeys, parrots.

Bugs

2006-04-05T14:59:21Z

Jackel: moved non-bug

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== HP: 71/65 ??? ===
My caracter have started his career of pirate whit some strange health : HP: 71 / 65 !!! My caracter "Le pirate Robert" (http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=571) was a soldier whit the skill stamina end then he become a pirate. Is it a adrenalin rush ??? Is it bugs whit pirate health and stamina skill ??? Or is it again a trick from that strange perturbing evil leprechaun behind my shoulder ??? --[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 05:07, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* Fixed. It was because I forgot to add the extra 20HP to those new pirates with Stamina. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* It's magic !!! Tanks !--[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 14:42, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
::: in the tunnels there are lots of rats in rocks, well, I would guess rocks, lighter gray squares that show up to the sides of the tunnels themselves, surrounded by solid rock, they have no terrain type it seems.. anyhow, there is no way to get to the rats that I have figured out -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 15:24, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Soldiers with Poison Darts ===
Anyone have a guess as to why the soldier starts out with a poison dart, and not a rifle bullet? Or is this faulty info anyway? --[[User:Hazir|Hazir]] 21:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:I started a soldier character recently and I'm fairly certain that all I began with was a rifle and a poison dart. (I was about to update the page when I noticed that someone had already recorded it.) It never struck me as being a mistake, but now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:31, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::Whoops! Consider that a bug.. a fixed bug at that. You're absolutely right that it should have been a bullet instead of a dart. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:34, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== two messages written in one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)
* Found this myself just now, and I know exactly what's causing it. It's just a display bug rather than a major bug, but I'll need to juggle a few things around to fix it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 26 March 2006 (BST)
* Should be fixed now. --[[User:Shartak|Shartak]] 09:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Trader offers "Trade same again" button when out of AP ===
Trading with the trader in Dalpok, I accepted a trade with my last AP. The trader accepted and then I got both the "Sorry, you're out of action points" message and the "Trade same again" button. I pressed the "Trade same again" button and was able to trade once more despite having 0AP. (At that point, I ran out of the same kind of item to trade.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 02:55, 3 April 2006 (BST)

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pirate class unchoosable ===
I logged in today to see the pirate class implemented and I was like sweet! I tried to make one but it gave me an error message about picking conflicting villages when I picked both random village and shipwreck. It randomly worked after a few attempts but it may be a bug if anyone else gets this problem.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 20:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

I had this happen with random village when I made my pirate the day the class became available. When I selected shipwreck though, it went through.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:47, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Attack with broken cutlass ===
My cutlass broke(I had only one) and I was still able to pick "cutlass" in the attack choices right afterwards, I logged out then back in to check if it persisted and it did not. If anybody else breaks their cutlass(and it was your only one) check to see if it is still a choice for attacking in the move right after you break the cutlass. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:15, 28 March 2006 (BST)

My pirate broke Both her cutlasses within a day or two and I didn't get that option on the second broke one.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:52, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Can't read foreign language even with Expert Skill? ===

My native died near the pirate shipwreck, and is currently on the square where the "pirate shaman" is. A message is written in the sand that is gibberish. My native has all the foreign language skills, and its possible this really is just gibberish someone decided to write, but it looks the way untranslated words look, so may be a bug. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 21:42, 4 April 2006 (BST)
: *raises hand* That was me. My native character up there cannot read outsider language. I was curious to find out what would happen if I copied and pasted (or "traced over in the sand") the outsider "gibberish" that I saw already written there. So, what your skilled translator character is seeing is what my unskilled native character sees when he looks at some outsider language. A good translation of a poor translation. Funky! --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 10:52, 5 April 2006 (BST)

Bugs

2006-04-05T01:41:24Z

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Trader offers "Trade same again" button when out of AP ===
Trading with the trader in Dalpok, I accepted a trade with my last AP. The trader accepted and then I got both the "Sorry, you're out of action points" message and the "Trade same again" button. I pressed the "Trade same again" button and was able to trade once more despite having 0AP. (At that point, I ran out of the same kind of item to trade.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 02:55, 3 April 2006 (BST)

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pirate class unchoosable ===
I logged in today to see the pirate class implemented and I was like sweet! I tried to make one but it gave me an error message about picking conflicting villages when I picked both random village and shipwreck. It randomly worked after a few attempts but it may be a bug if anyone else gets this problem.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 20:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

I had this happen with random village when I made my pirate the day the class became available. When I selected shipwreck though, it went through.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:47, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Attack with broken cutlass ===
My cutlass broke(I had only one) and I was still able to pick "cutlass" in the attack choices right afterwards, I logged out then back in to check if it persisted and it did not. If anybody else breaks their cutlass(and it was your only one) check to see if it is still a choice for attacking in the move right after you break the cutlass. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:15, 28 March 2006 (BST)

My pirate broke Both her cutlasses within a day or two and I didn't get that option on the second broke one.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:52, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Can't read foreign language even with Expert Skill? ===

My native died near the pirate shipwreck, and is currently on the square where the "pirate shaman" is. A message is written in the sand that is gibberish. My native has all the foreign language skills, and its possible this really is just gibberish someone decided to write, but it looks the way untranslated words look, so may be a bug. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 21:42, 4 April 2006 (BST)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== HP: 71/65 ??? ===
My caracter have started his career of pirate whit some strange health : HP: 71 / 65 !!! My caracter "Le pirate Robert" (http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=571) was a soldier whit the skill stamina end then he become a pirate. Is it a adrenalin rush ??? Is it bugs whit pirate health and stamina skill ??? Or is it again a trick from that strange perturbing evil leprechaun behind my shoulder ??? --[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 05:07, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* Fixed. It was because I forgot to add the extra 20HP to those new pirates with Stamina. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* It's magic !!! Tanks !--[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 14:42, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
::: in the tunnels there are lots of rats in rocks, well, I would guess rocks, lighter gray squares that show up to the sides of the tunnels themselves, surrounded by solid rock, they have no terrain type it seems.. anyhow, there is no way to get to the rats that I have figured out -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 15:24, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Soldiers with Poison Darts ===
Anyone have a guess as to why the soldier starts out with a poison dart, and not a rifle bullet? Or is this faulty info anyway? --[[User:Hazir|Hazir]] 21:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:I started a soldier character recently and I'm fairly certain that all I began with was a rifle and a poison dart. (I was about to update the page when I noticed that someone had already recorded it.) It never struck me as being a mistake, but now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:31, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::Whoops! Consider that a bug.. a fixed bug at that. You're absolutely right that it should have been a bullet instead of a dart. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:34, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== two messages written in one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)
* Found this myself just now, and I know exactly what's causing it. It's just a display bug rather than a major bug, but I'll need to juggle a few things around to fix it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 26 March 2006 (BST)
* Should be fixed now. --[[User:Shartak|Shartak]] 09:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs

2006-04-04T20:42:52Z

Jackel: /* Possible Bugs */ ghosts can't read foreign language?

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Trader offers "Trade same again" button when out of AP ===
Trading with the trader in Dalpok, I accepted a trade with my last AP. The trader accepted and then I got both the "Sorry, you're out of action points" message and the "Trade same again" button. I pressed the "Trade same again" button and was able to trade once more despite having 0AP. (At that point, I ran out of the same kind of item to trade.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 02:55, 3 April 2006 (BST)

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pirate class unchoosable ===
I logged in today to see the pirate class implemented and I was like sweet! I tried to make one but it gave me an error message about picking conflicting villages when I picked both random village and shipwreck. It randomly worked after a few attempts but it may be a bug if anyone else gets this problem.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 20:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

I had this happen with random village when I made my pirate the day the class became available. When I selected shipwreck though, it went through.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:47, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Attack with broken cutlass ===
My cutlass broke(I had only one) and I was still able to pick "cutlass" in the attack choices right afterwards, I logged out then back in to check if it persisted and it did not. If anybody else breaks their cutlass(and it was your only one) check to see if it is still a choice for attacking in the move right after you break the cutlass. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:15, 28 March 2006 (BST)

My pirate broke Both her cutlasses within a day or two and I didn't get that option on the second broke one.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:52, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Ghosts can't read foreign languages? ===

My native died near the pirate shipwreck, and is currently on the square where the "pirate shaman" is. A message is written in the sand that is gibberish. My native has all the foreign language skills, and when he was living, was able to read outsider messages just fine. I suspect its because he's currently a ghost.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 21:42, 4 April 2006 (BST)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== HP: 71/65 ??? ===
My caracter have started his career of pirate whit some strange health : HP: 71 / 65 !!! My caracter "Le pirate Robert" (http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=571) was a soldier whit the skill stamina end then he become a pirate. Is it a adrenalin rush ??? Is it bugs whit pirate health and stamina skill ??? Or is it again a trick from that strange perturbing evil leprechaun behind my shoulder ??? --[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 05:07, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* Fixed. It was because I forgot to add the extra 20HP to those new pirates with Stamina. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* It's magic !!! Tanks !--[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 14:42, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
::: in the tunnels there are lots of rats in rocks, well, I would guess rocks, lighter gray squares that show up to the sides of the tunnels themselves, surrounded by solid rock, they have no terrain type it seems.. anyhow, there is no way to get to the rats that I have figured out -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 15:24, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Soldiers with Poison Darts ===
Anyone have a guess as to why the soldier starts out with a poison dart, and not a rifle bullet? Or is this faulty info anyway? --[[User:Hazir|Hazir]] 21:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:I started a soldier character recently and I'm fairly certain that all I began with was a rifle and a poison dart. (I was about to update the page when I noticed that someone had already recorded it.) It never struck me as being a mistake, but now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:31, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::Whoops! Consider that a bug.. a fixed bug at that. You're absolutely right that it should have been a bullet instead of a dart. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:34, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== two messages written in one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)
* Found this myself just now, and I know exactly what's causing it. It's just a display bug rather than a major bug, but I'll need to juggle a few things around to fix it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 26 March 2006 (BST)
* Should be fixed now. --[[User:Shartak|Shartak]] 09:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs

2006-04-04T20:42:04Z

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Trader offers "Trade same again" button when out of AP ===
Trading with the trader in Dalpok, I accepted a trade with my last AP. The trader accepted and then I got both the "Sorry, you're out of action points" message and the "Trade same again" button. I pressed the "Trade same again" button and was able to trade once more despite having 0AP. (At that point, I ran out of the same kind of item to trade.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 02:55, 3 April 2006 (BST)

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pirate class unchoosable ===
I logged in today to see the pirate class implemented and I was like sweet! I tried to make one but it gave me an error message about picking conflicting villages when I picked both random village and shipwreck. It randomly worked after a few attempts but it may be a bug if anyone else gets this problem.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 20:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

I had this happen with random village when I made my pirate the day the class became available. When I selected shipwreck though, it went through.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:47, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Attack with broken cutlass ===
My cutlass broke(I had only one) and I was still able to pick "cutlass" in the attack choices right afterwards, I logged out then back in to check if it persisted and it did not. If anybody else breaks their cutlass(and it was your only one) check to see if it is still a choice for attacking in the move right after you break the cutlass. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:15, 28 March 2006 (BST)

My pirate broke Both her cutlasses within a day or two and I didn't get that option on the second broke one.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:52, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Ghosts can't read foreign languages?

My native died near the pirate shipwreck, and is currently on the square where the "pirate shaman" is. A message is written in the sand that is gibberish. My native has all the foreign language skills, and when he was living, was able to read outsider messages just fine. I suspect its because he's currently a ghost.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 21:42, 4 April 2006 (BST)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== HP: 71/65 ??? ===
My caracter have started his career of pirate whit some strange health : HP: 71 / 65 !!! My caracter "Le pirate Robert" (http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=571) was a soldier whit the skill stamina end then he become a pirate. Is it a adrenalin rush ??? Is it bugs whit pirate health and stamina skill ??? Or is it again a trick from that strange perturbing evil leprechaun behind my shoulder ??? --[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 05:07, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* Fixed. It was because I forgot to add the extra 20HP to those new pirates with Stamina. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* It's magic !!! Tanks !--[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 14:42, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
::: in the tunnels there are lots of rats in rocks, well, I would guess rocks, lighter gray squares that show up to the sides of the tunnels themselves, surrounded by solid rock, they have no terrain type it seems.. anyhow, there is no way to get to the rats that I have figured out -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 15:24, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Soldiers with Poison Darts ===
Anyone have a guess as to why the soldier starts out with a poison dart, and not a rifle bullet? Or is this faulty info anyway? --[[User:Hazir|Hazir]] 21:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:I started a soldier character recently and I'm fairly certain that all I began with was a rifle and a poison dart. (I was about to update the page when I noticed that someone had already recorded it.) It never struck me as being a mistake, but now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:31, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::Whoops! Consider that a bug.. a fixed bug at that. You're absolutely right that it should have been a bullet instead of a dart. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:34, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== two messages written in one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)
* Found this myself just now, and I know exactly what's causing it. It's just a display bug rather than a major bug, but I'll need to juggle a few things around to fix it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 26 March 2006 (BST)
* Should be fixed now. --[[User:Shartak|Shartak]] 09:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Trader offers "Trade same again" button when out of AP ===
Trading with the trader in Dalpok, I accepted a trade with my last AP. The trader accepted and then I got both the "Sorry, you're out of action points" message and the "Trade same again" button. I pressed the "Trade same again" button and was able to trade once more despite having 0AP. (At that point, I ran out of the same kind of item to trade.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 02:55, 3 April 2006 (BST)

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pirate class unchoosable ===
I logged in today to see the pirate class implemented and I was like sweet! I tried to make one but it gave me an error message about picking conflicting villages when I picked both random village and shipwreck. It randomly worked after a few attempts but it may be a bug if anyone else gets this problem.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 20:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)

I had this happen with random village when I made my pirate the day the class became available. When I selected shipwreck though, it went through.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:47, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Attack with broken cutlass ===
My cutlass broke(I had only one) and I was still able to pick "cutlass" in the attack choices right afterwards, I logged out then back in to check if it persisted and it did not. If anybody else breaks their cutlass(and it was your only one) check to see if it is still a choice for attacking in the move right after you break the cutlass. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 07:15, 28 March 2006 (BST)

My pirate broke Both her cutlasses within a day or two and I didn't get that option on the second broke one.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 08:52, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== HP: 71/65 ??? ===
My caracter have started his career of pirate whit some strange health : HP: 71 / 65 !!! My caracter "Le pirate Robert" (http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=571) was a soldier whit the skill stamina end then he become a pirate. Is it a adrenalin rush ??? Is it bugs whit pirate health and stamina skill ??? Or is it again a trick from that strange perturbing evil leprechaun behind my shoulder ??? --[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 05:07, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* Fixed. It was because I forgot to add the extra 20HP to those new pirates with Stamina. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:34, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

* It's magic !!! Tanks !--[[User:Le pirate Robert|Le pirate Robert]] 14:42, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
::: in the tunnels there are lots of rats in rocks, well, I would guess rocks, lighter gray squares that show up to the sides of the tunnels themselves, surrounded by solid rock, they have no terrain type it seems.. anyhow, there is no way to get to the rats that I have figured out -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 15:24, 28 March 2006 (BST)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Soldiers with Poison Darts ===
Anyone have a guess as to why the soldier starts out with a poison dart, and not a rifle bullet? Or is this faulty info anyway? --[[User:Hazir|Hazir]] 21:25, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:I started a soldier character recently and I'm fairly certain that all I began with was a rifle and a poison dart. (I was about to update the page when I noticed that someone had already recorded it.) It never struck me as being a mistake, but now that you mention it, it does seem a little odd. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:31, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
::Whoops! Consider that a bug.. a fixed bug at that. You're absolutely right that it should have been a bullet instead of a dart. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:34, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== two messages written in one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)
* Found this myself just now, and I know exactly what's causing it. It's just a display bug rather than a major bug, but I'll need to juggle a few things around to fix it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 26 March 2006 (BST)
* Should be fixed now. --[[User:Shartak|Shartak]] 09:32, 28 March 2006 (BST)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Skills

2006-03-29T03:08:44Z

Jackel: /* Generic Skills */

There are a number of skills which have different effects on things within the game. Some skills are only available to certain classes or only to natives or outsiders. Skills are learned by [[XP Gains|gaining XP]] and the more skills you have, the more XP the next skill takes.

*Skill 1 = 100 XP
*Skill 2 = 125 XP
*Skill 3 = 150 XP
*Skill 4 = 175 XP
*Skill 5 = 200 XP
*Skill 6 = 225 XP
*Skill 7 = 250 XP
*Skill 8 = 275 XP
*Skill 9 = 300 XP

== Generic Skills ==

* '''Basic Language''' - Understand the smaller words of foreign languages
** '''Advanced Language''' - Better understanding of foreign languages
*** '''Expert Language''' - Full comprehension of foreign languages

* '''Close quarter combat''' - Gain 10% to hit with melee attacks
** '''Advanced close quarter combat''' - Gain 15% to hit with melee attacks

* '''Body building''' - Increases melee damage (''Appears to be +1 damage'')
** '''Stamina''' - Increases max HP by 20

* '''Triage''' - Be able to tell who is most injured
** '''Natural Medicine''' - Heal 10 HP with healing herbs (''Native only'')
** '''First Aid''' - Heal 10 hp with first aid kit (''Outsider only'')

* '''Ghostly whisper''' - Allows spirits to speak
** '''Haunting scream''' - Attract other spirits and scare nearby living players (Doesn't work yet)

* '''Sixth Sense''' - Sense presence of and hear spirits

* '''Exploration''' - Helps you remember some of the places you've been
** '''Cartography''' - Stops you forgetting anywhere you've visited
** '''Trekking''' - Faster movement through the jungle (''Reduced AP usage in jungle terrain'')
** '''Swimming''' - Faster movement through water (''Reduced AP usage in water terrain'')

* '''Animal Affinity''' - Lessens the chance of animals attacking (''Settler and Villager only'')

* '''Firearms Training''' - Gain 20% on firearms attacks (''Soldier only'')
** '''Advanced Firearms Training''' - Gain 20% on firearms attacks (''Soldier only'')

* '''Blowpipe Training''' - Gain 20% on blowpipe accuracy (''Warrior only'')
** '''Advanced Blowpipe Training''' - Gain another 20% on blowpipe accuracy (''Warrior Only'')

* '''Scavenging''' - Assists in finding things in certain areas (''Native? Villager?'')

== Native Only ==
* '''Outsider knowledge''' - Natives gain basic outsider knowledge

This skill allows you to use and recognise items that would generally only be available to the other kind of player.
Includes:
:* GPS
:* Rifle and bullets
:* First aid kits

== Outsider Only ==
* '''Native knowledge''' - Outsiders gain basic native knowledge

This skill allows you to use and recognise items that would generally only be available to the other kind of player.
Includes:
:*healing herbs (seen as dried herbs to outsiders before skill is attained)
:*berry difference (can tell poisonous or not)
:*blowpipe and poison darts

Bugs

2006-03-21T00:51:29Z

Jackel:

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== 2 written messages on one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

* That's clever stuff. Shouldn't happen though. Were there two other people there as well who kept changing it back and forth? Any idea of the GPS co-ords of that tree? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I don't have a GPS. Its a bit to the SE of the mountains in the center. There had been a couple natives at this tree before I sent them to the spirit world, but I'm not sure if they were taking turns carving.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:51, 21 March 2006 (GMT)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
My second healing herb did heal 10hps this time. Yay! --[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:12, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

== Not Bugs ==

=== AP Regeneration ===
"Sorry, you're out of action points. You get 1 action point every 20 minutes so come back in about 25 minutes"

Is that normal? --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 16:55, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Did you have 1 AP left and take some action (like swimming or wading through swamp) that uses more than 1 AP? This would result in -1 AP, so in 25 minutes you'd have 1 AP and be able to take action. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:26, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

Correct Frisco, or at least, that's what I'd have said. I have seen this question before but perhaps I should include the number of AP you have in the message. *EDIT* The AP left is shown on the left-hand panel still so you can see if you're at less than zero. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:56, 20 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
:Sorry, I wasn't sure. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:33, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs

2006-03-19T15:02:13Z

Jackel: /* Possible Bugs */

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

=== 2 written messages on one space ===

While burning up AP searching through a mango tree, I noticed someone had carved a message on it. Actually, 2 people had written messages on it, and as I searched, it fluctuated bewteen the two. I've never seen this before, maybe the jungle square counted as one available writing place, and the mango tree itself counted as another? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 15:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

== Not Bugs ==

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Bugs

2006-03-19T14:57:09Z

Jackel: /* Poisonous bush? */

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This page is for adding reports of possible bugs. Once the bug has been confirmed, it can be moved into the Known Bugs section.

== Possible Bugs ==

=== Not able to attack animals ===
I'm at [-70.358,+26.343. There's a large deer here yet I don't have the option of attacking it. For some reason it's giving me the option of speaking to it. Says "Jungle
A number of small trees here aren't that much taller than the heavy undergrowth." --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:00, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
*Never mind. I travelled a few squares then came back and it gave me the attack option.--[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:02, 19 March 2006 (GMT)
* Very odd, never heard of that happening before. Bugs like this would be pretty much impossible to track down unless I'm able to check the database at the time at which it happens. If it happens again, you could try letting me know over instant messaging before you move. Contact info on my user page. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:35, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Only healing 5hp with Healing Herb Skill===
My native villager has the skill under triage that says it heals 10hp with healing herbs, but she only healed herself 5hp. If it is meant to only heal others, the description should be changed to indicate such please.--[[User:Bluff|Bluff]] 23:20, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
* Should be ok. Let me know if it happens again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Tree without icon ===
I saw a tree at [-70.087,+26.377], but there was no icon. I guess it could be deliberate, but I thought that I should mention it. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 08:45, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

Tree icons only show when the density is low enough I believe... If you find a location with a tree/bush and you "uncover" it, by chopping, you gain a small amount of experience for doing so. Don't know if this only happens once or every time though as it only happened to me once so far. Could this be the reason for your problem? --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 14:58, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

===Unable to Log in===
I am unable to sign on as either of my characters for the last two days. When I try I get a "sorry, you need to be logged in to access this page" message. Is something wrong with the sight? [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Nothing wrong here, perhaps this is a cookie issue? Are you accessing it at http://www.shartak.com/ ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* Yes, if it is a cookie problem, how would I fix it? This might be something that could go in the FAQ, but I didn't see it there so I'm asking here. [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* Enable cookies in your browser
* I guess the question is: what has changed in the last couple of days? Nothing to do with cookies at the server end, have you tried a different browser? Flush cookies in your browser? When you go to the front page (having already logged in), does it say that you're currently logged in or does it simply give the login box? --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
* It symply says I need to be logged in to do that, as If I had logged out and then tried to get back in. I did clear a large amount of spy ware, but urban dead is still working fine. I realize this is probably a very specific problem, but I like this game and would hate to have to start over with a new character. I appreciate any advice anyone can give. This is the page it sends me to when I try to log on as either of my characters. It doesn't say I have the wrong password or that I am already logged in. http://www.shartak.com/game.cgi [[User:Abe Froeman|Abe Froeman]]
* What browser are you using? Have you tried a different browser? Perhaps remove all cookies for the domain shartak.com (might show up as www.shartak.com or shartak.com) and try again. If none of these ideas work, I'd be interested to know if setting up a new character solves the problem or if you still have trouble signing in with a brand new character. Obviously if you can then logout and log back in as your original character, you don't have to carry on with the new one although there's no reason why you can't play a couple of different characters. If you wish to continue this by email, you can use the email user link on my user page, or use the address mentioned in the FAQ under the "I found a bug" question. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've just seen this demonstrated - you have to go to http://www.shartak.com/ to login, not just http://shartak.com/ - I've fixed it so that going to the latter should redirect you to the right place. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:56, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

===Poisonous bush?===
My native has gotten nothing but poisonous berries from a bush. Is it a bug or did I just find some poisonous bush?--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:06, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
:My native has found two different berry bushes, each seems to give consistently one or the other of the berry types. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT)
:Why would this be considered a bug? A strawberry bush would never produce a blueberry, bushes should (and do) produce only one kind; EITHER poisonous OR tasty.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:57, 19 March 2006 (GMT)

===Still wounded after resurrection===
After dying of a Shark attack wound (lose 1 HP per AP until healed with a First Aid kit) my Outsider waited 50AP and contacted the Shaman. I am still recieving the "You lose 1 HP from an old wound. Use a first aid kit to stop the bleeding before you die." message. I have spent 25 AP (and hence HP) attempting to find a FAK. I am morbidly curious to see if I find one before I die of this wound a 2nd time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 02:49, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
: Well, I died of my 'wound' before finding a first aid kit. That's 58 AP searching, no FAK (1 AP to move away from Shaman to see if that square had a different FAK find rate and 1 AP eating a mango). I have moved back to the Shaman's square and am now waiting to see if he can get it right _this_ time. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:44, 15 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
:: I can only suggest either requesting a heal from other players or to make your way to each hut and find one that contains medical supplies. I believe that the shark bite resembles the infection in Urban Dead so it's most likely you'll still have the wound this second time. To my knowledge, it hasn't been a problem for survivors there and I'm not completely convinced that it is a problem for characters here. However, I can agree that is seems a bit out of theme for the wound to persist after being resurrected and wouldn't object to a change. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:05, 16 March 2006 (GMT)
::: 2nd resurrection and still was wounded. Found a FAK with another 4 AP searching. I agree that the behaviour matches UDs 'infection-after-revive' but there is a better thematic justification there. It seems inconsistent that being trampled to death by an elephant (say) is something that the Shamanistic process can reverse, rebuild or remove (you come back with full HP) but a shark attack/bite does some kind of damage to either your teleported body (presuming that resurrection uses your old meat) or to your spirit (presuming resurrection uses your metaphysical self as a kind of template for a rebuild) that the Shaman ignores or cannot deal with. I have no problem with it (makes island hopping that much harder *grin*), but would prefer to see you come back with half HP (like UD) to indicate that the process is less than perfect across the board. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 01:59, 16 March 2006 (GMT) aka [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
::::This is somewhat covered by the [[Game_Design#Contact_Shaman|Contact Shaman]] section of [[Game Design]]. Perhaps it's worth continuing this over there instead. I do agree that something needs to be done about the way the revives are handled, I'm just not sure what. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 02:55, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

== Fixed Bugs ==

=== Writing Whilst Dead ===
I can write in the sand whilst dead. Should I be able to? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 09:02, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Umm, no. Bug has been fixed. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Rats in Rocks ===
I've seen rats twice now in what appears to be Solid-Rock. I couldn't get near them and the square appeared blank (no style) apart from the rat. I checked the source and the class was "map density" --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:42, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:They'd obviously crawled down a crack that was too narrow to show up on the map. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 19:22, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:: :P Well ok, so it's a graphics glitch then as the rock wasn't shown. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 00:21, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
:: Have you seen this again or was it just twice? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:33, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Consistent Animal Spawning ===
I killed a wild boar in the jungle, stayed in the same square, and a few minutes later another wild boar appeared in the same square. I killed it, another one appeared, killed that, and now there's another one there. Three times, i didn't see it move to the square, it seemed to spawn in the same square, within minutes of the kill. Is animal spawning non-random or is this a coincidence? If non-random, this seems buggy since it makes for too easy a way to gain XP, just hang out in the same square. --frisco
:This happened to me, except with parrots. I don't think its unusual or bad to find a "den" where a certain number of creatures are likely to spawn from. I agree that it should be looked at, it could lead to camping/guarding such areas.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:45, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

:Seen this too now, with parrots, does look buggy to me. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 18:25, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

::This was only a bug for a few days, and was fixed today. Let me know if you're still experiencing this effect. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Character Creation ===
Attempting to sign up for an account, I'm finding that regardless of the combination of fields filled vs. left blank, I get the error "Please ensure you fill in all fields marked with a *" Notwithstanding that there are no fields maked with a *, I've attempted every possible combination of optional fields filled vs. left blank. (All 16 of them) and get the same error. I've also tried three different usernames, in case it's a reporting error, and the problem is that the username I want is taken already. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 16:07, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
I encountered the same error as well. --[[User:aidurandal|aidurandal]] 16:36, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me as well.--[[User:Dr. Doom|Dr. Doom]] 16:50, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Encountered the same error. --[[User:Caribbean Ghost|Caribbean Ghost]] 17:47, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

-Confirmation
Happened to me.When are they going to fix this??--[[User:X10000|X10000|]]

-Calm down, X10000. I first reported this bug under three hours ago. Considering that the author likely isn't making a whole lot of money on this game, he isn't on call 24 hours a day. I suspect he'll fix it as fast as he can. --[[User:Feegle|Feegle]] 18:56, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

- Sorry. Should be fixed now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:01, 11 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Error Relating to Hit Limit? ===
My characters (3 of them) all have "This character not subject to the IP limit" at the bottom of their profile page. I have not donated to support the game yet (waiting until it gets more fleshed out, plus it seems very difficult to go up levels, especially past first). Bug? --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops! Fixed now. -Simon

=== Refresh uses AP ===

When you refresh it repeats your last action - I refreshed to see if sombody had replied to me. But i wasted AP by running about. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:16, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
:This isn't a bug as such. It's a natural side effect of pressing refresh. -Simon
::Is it possible to edit this? I play Urban Dead and that doesnt repeat your last move - it is very handy to check up on your current statis without wasting AP. - [[User:Durja|Durja]] 21:15, 5 February 2006 (GMT)
::To rework the movement may be a bit complicated. How about just having a button labelled "Refresh" that doesn't use any AP? -Simon
::: That would be very much appricated. Thanks. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:12, 6 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Refresh Page button added -[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 7 February 2006 (GMT)

===Grassland Colour===

Grassland changed from pale yellow to medium brown when I hit the 'out of AP' screen. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 13:06, 30 January 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, just cosmetic hiccup --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

===Yellow Jungle===

Moai's found some [http://i1.tinypic.com/n3kt91.jpg mysterious yellow jungle squares] near the beach on the south coast (a bit west of centre). They don't have any text descriptions. --[[User:Kevan|Kevan]] 09:17, 3 February 2006 (GMT)
:Fixed, purely cosmetic --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:54, 3 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animals don't pursue players ===

As documented [[Talk:Tips_and_Tricks|here]] I was able to safely kill an elephant by luring him to the edge where jungle met beach. Though I stood only 1 square from it, the elephant would not step onto the beach territory to attack me, when it certainly would have if the square I was on was jungle.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:46, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Not exactly a bug, I didn't think of anything this cunning when planning animal movements. Feature has been adjusted, you'd better get out of there! ;) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:40, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::Will this fix will lead to potential epic battles with tigers and elephants in deep water? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:54, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:::Hopefully not! I'll keep an eye out for animals taking a bath though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:22, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Not being resurrected ===
My character Timothy is dead. He has been sat over the shamen at Durham for about 24 hours listening to the shamen chant. Has the amount of time it takes to resurrect been increased or is something wrong? --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 23:19, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:Whoops, my fault. Seems the script that handles resurrecting of both animals and players at shaman locations wasn't running for a couple of days. Should be working again now. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:09, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I'm seeing quite a lot more animals now. After you posted this, 3 appeared immediately surrounding one of my characters. Killed 2, one moved on, and a different animal appeared a little later. Earlier today it felt like a very deserted island. Maybe just a fluke, my other character didn't see any after this post. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 06:50, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Underground ===
GPS probably shouldn't work in caves/tunnels etc.
:No, they shouldn't.. and hopefully they don't any more. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Ruins no huts shown, but three choices? ===
At a ruin there are three huts as choices to enter (I think there were only 2 previously!?) but none are actually drawn on the square. bugs or not?
#should the huts or at least a single hut be shown?
#should there be three huts in one square?
#should the huts be differentiated? seems to me if they are different they should, but the button to enter is the same for all three : "Enter Hut"
:It was a small bug that the pictures didn't appear. I have added the picture to some of the ruins, and yes, there could be more than one hut per square. The buttons for entering huts should always appear in the same order but it wouldn't be too hard to make it say 'Enter Hut 1" "Enter Hut 2" etc. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:42, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
I found another square of ruins (some sort of jail) with no hut, I'll get the GPS co-ords later.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 13:10, 13 March 2006 (GMT)

== Not Bugs ==

=== Map Page off by 3 Pixels ===
The map.cgi image seems to be vertically off by 3 pixels from what it was before.--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 01:49, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
* Nothing has changed on the image script for over a month. In what way is it off? Are you referring to it being offset within map.html or just when you view the image on its own? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:40, 14 March 2006 (GMT)
** My mistake; had some problem with a recent metamap and noticed that recent submissions' map 6x6 pixels were off by 3 from the edge of the map, turns out they've always been that way. I hadn't realised that someone had submitted a map that was aligned to the top edge, and this messed things up for me. Sorry for the confusion!

=== Finding Dropped Items ===
I dropped my machete by mistake due to clumsy fingers. Searching doesn't find it again - surely if I drop something I should be able to pick it up again? --[[User:Torok|Torok]]
:As with UD (the game Shartak is based on) dropping something is akin to getting rid of it. This isn't a bug, just don't have clumsy fingers--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 17:41, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
:Quite right. I have considered implementing semi-sticky objects such that if you drop something, and then search immediately, you'll actually find the thing you dropped, but thought that might annoy rather than actually be useful since often if you drop something you don't want to find it again! --[[User:Simon|Simon]]
:What about doing it on purpose to pass on objects? Could it work?--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 03:51, 24 February 2006 (GMT)
:No, the way I was considering implementing it, if X drops the object, only X would find it. X and Y could both drop separate items but would never specifically find the item the other person dropped (they could find another item with the same name depending on luck though!) The ability to exchange items directly with other people is something that will most likely never be added as this could encourage people to make multiple characters, some of whom only search for specific items and then hand them over to the main character. --[[User:Simon|Simon]]

=== IP Hit Limit 250? ===
I have been playing three characters, but hit the IP limit after only moving two of my characters, and then only partially. It seems that it may not have the 250 hit limit as explained. Is it possible that it does not? EDIT- Just moved my three characters. 45AP, 30AP, 75AP, ran out of hits before I used all the points. Seems 150 or so appears to be the limit?--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 23:35, 10 February 2006 (GMT)
:Have been unable to reproduce this problem, but there are 4 characters not 3 with the same IP as yours. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:04, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::Roger that, started another since original posting, Simon. I suppose I should ask exactly what the IP limit is (250, as stated?), and then back-track from there to make sure there actually is a problem. Also, when the 24 hour period resets? That will give me a time to count from.--[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 21:49, 14 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Simon - It appears that there is no bug. I just made 244 moves, and looked at a Profile or two also. Miscounting on my part most likely. I'm liking this game more and more too. Fast AP recovery, cool stuff to find (just found a knife), high AP total, etc. Fun. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 00:33, 15 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: Excellent. Moving to "Not a bug" --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 01:58, 15 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Negative AP? ===

Moving in water with only a single AP resulted in me having -1 AP. - Dr. J
:Water movement (as standard) takes 2AP. Negative AP is perfectly possible, I don't consider this to be a bug. - Simon

Suggestions:Game mechanics

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Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.

Begin a new item with a * and "sign" your suggestions using <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> so we know who to blame ;)

Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.

This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

:Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pet System ===
I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

=== Profile Effect Items ===
These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
:For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a "create mask" option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).
::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

* I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things ("I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!") and not feel that the game is just about collecting items ("Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game."). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

*Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless "fancy hats" that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique Item Hunt ===
'''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Know you foes ===
As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is "attack random outsiders" or "attack none". I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).

This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.

Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf

''Comments''

=== Forest Fire ===
'''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

=== The Ghost Elephant ===
'''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2006-03-17T16:42:50Z

Jackel: comments on Ghost Elephant

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== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

:Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pet System ===
I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

=== Profile Effect Items ===
These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
:For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a "create mask" option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).
::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

* I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things ("I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!") and not feel that the game is just about collecting items ("Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game."). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

*Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless "fancy hats" that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique Item Hunt ===
'''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Know you foes ===
As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is "attack random outsiders" or "attack none". I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).

This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.

Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf

''Comments''

=== Forest Fire ===
'''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

=== The Ghost Elephant ===
'''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

Suggestions:Miscellaneous

2006-03-16T01:03:04Z

Jackel:

Royal Expedition

2006-03-12T01:22:19Z

Jackel: /* Comments */

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When Clans are implemented we'll be there.
<br>The RE will be a group of all outsiders of all class.
<br>Whether you're from York, Derby, or Durham, doesn't matter.
<br>Positions? Not a problem yet.
<br>We're ironing out the details right now

If you're interested in joining then just add your name below.
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=547 Urban Me]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=447 Otis the Red]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=713 Grigoriy]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=878 Gandhi]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=771 Less Than Lethal]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1079 domokun]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=191 Ownslaught]
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[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1223 Provisional Recruit-M Tek]
== Comments ==

:not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)
:: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]
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:If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal
::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
::Awesome, I look forawrds to meeting you. There's another guy cutting the path ahead, im currently binging on bananas after an unfortunate boar incident...
::::Not to rain on your parades, but you ''do'' know that foilage grows back, right?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:22, 12 March 2006 (GMT)

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I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

== News ==
=== 6 March 2006 ===
New member, Ownslaught
=== 3 March 2006 ===
New member, domokun!

[[Category:Clans]]
[[Category:Clans_for_Outsiders]]

Suggestions:Items

2006-03-10T01:49:50Z

Jackel:

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{{Suggestionsnav}}

Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.

Begin a new item with a * and "sign" your suggestions using <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> so we know who to blame ;)

Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.

This is the suggestions page for [[Items]]. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.

== Items ==

=== Spear ===
It could be the native warriors main weapon, give it a base damage of 3, same to hit as machete but it wouldn't cut through jungle -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:02, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:A spear for stabbing or a spear for throwing (i.e single use) ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:49, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Head-shrinking powder ===
This could be either a melee or area weapon used by natives.

''Comments''
* What are the effects of it? Causes X HP of damage? Loss of AP? Loss of XP? Instant death? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]

=== Meat ===
Heals 2 HP. Used by both outsiders and tribals. It appears in your inventory when you kill a beastie. [[User:Bungalow Bill|Bungalow Bill]]

''Comments''
* But you can only carry 200 pounds of meat back to your wagon. <nowiki></oregontrail></nowiki> --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:15, 13 February 2006 (GMT)
* Or you have to cook it, taking one AP and possibly a fire-lighting skill (who wants to eat raw monkey?).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:12, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
** Maybe you don't have to cook it but you get less HP and possibly lose HP to food poisoning. [DarkFerret]
* Or, to make it more, hm, tribal, you could need to bring it back to specific places in the village where it could be (instantaneously) cooked and used as a replenished "health pool" any player could use. You would still have the occasional berries to eat in the forest, but real meal would occure at a settlement. It would also provide a more efficient healing system (as currently, you roughly get to spend 50 AP to recover 4 or 5 HP, which makes death the most efficient way to restore your HP). -- Leaf
**''There is a large pot of stew cooking, it appears to be half full.''
''You eat some and feel better. After a few spoonfuls you find your friend's pocket watch.'' [DarkFerret]

=== Radio beacon/receiver ===
A radio beacon/receiver for outsiders to pinpoint specific locations of interest.

''Comments''
* What's wrong with using the GPS co-ordinates of a specific location? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
*Perhaps a way to have GPS waypoints or markers IN one own's GPS? --[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 19:39, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Holy Scriptures ===
Used to convert Natives into Ousiders. Requires "Religious Devotion". Most likely found around Outsider settlements --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*Nobody wants to have a class change againt their will. -Grigoriy
*Noone wants to die against their will either, but it does happen ;-) Might be irritating, but also might be quite interesting. It would have to be possible both ways of course, natives to outsiders and outsiders to natives. Perhaps the outsiders can convert natives to outsiders with holy scriptures using the religious devotion skill and natives can convert outsiders to natives with a bottle of beer using the seduction skill! ;-) --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:28, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Unit (Redesign) ===
This is a suggestion to change the gps unit into an object that presumably fits better with the game setting. We currently have no other modern item available for use (anachronism - VOCABULARY WORD!). Perhaps we should use a sextant? And rather than reveal the position all of the time, it requires a 1 AP use in non-dense, non-enclosed area. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Yes, GPS units are indeed ''malapropos'' (another vocabulary word :D)--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:33, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
* Y'know, the "GPS Unit" item has stuck out like a sore thumb to me too. I'd be very much in favor of a lower-tech replacement, if only because it makes the game more timeless. But what tools ''did'' explorers of earlier eras use to measure latitude and longitude while traveling by land, anyway? And how accurate were they? Alternatively phrased: if you were trapped on a desert island without a GPS Unit, how would you estimate where you were? Lint's suggestion for a lower-tech replacement item, requiring AP and suitable terrain conditions for proper use, appeals to me. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:03, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
* I've done some research into this and as Lint said, a sextant is what was used. Unfortunately though, a sextant doesn't do both longitude and latitude very quickly, you need charts/tables and several hours. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/longitude/secrets.html for info. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:55, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** Ahh; yeah, I had just been checking out http://www.lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1268 myself. If I'm reading it right, it sounds like the bulk of the hours of calculation involved were due to being at sea and having to figure out what time zone you're in first as part of the equation. (Both pages mention a "chronometer" which was finally invented to try to solve that problem.) On land, though -- and especially on an island of Shartak's size -- you pretty much know where you are, and you're not likely to be crossing time zones. A quote from the Lewis & Clark page: "If time can be fixed along any meridian of longitude, then longitudinal distance can be determined by comparing time at that meridian with local time, usually based on the point at which the sun reaches its zenith." So. I wonder if we could fudge a bit with this sextant business by assuming that everyone on the island is able to determine what time it is on Shartak -- after all, we do get timestamped event messages! ;) -- and therefore we can apply that bit of knowledge to help determine longitude, overcoming the sextant's weakness. That could even go in the FAQ. I'm not really all that scientifically inclined, so please do feel welcome to correct me if if my thoughts are way off base. In closing, I still like Lint's ideas about making it cost AP and require suitable terrain. The former would represent the investment of time in setting up the equipment and doing the calculations. The latter would give players a reason to clear a square of jungle. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 16:07, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*** That all sounds good. I think there is a skill in there as well - I don't suppose a sextant is as accurate as GPS, so why not have it not produce the same result all of the time? Someone with the "Skillful Sextant Supervisor" skill gets more accurate results. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:17, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** The AP cost of a sextant or other device could easily be added to the GPS unit by requiring that you 'use gps' to get the reading rather than it being on all the time. Whilst redesigning the GPS unit, how about thinking of something for natives to find out where they are - obviously not as accurate as a sextant, but something to guide them around or to specific locations. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:30, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*** Just consider it a redesigned sextant that some mythical character dropped around the island and call it "Professor Inglewood's Speedy Sextant And Nano Tables" or some other such nonesense and leave it working the same, just with a different name. As for natives, maybe they could see/read totems at different points in the jungle, indicating where resources/towns are. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:06, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Refillable containers ===
Does it really make sense that after drinking something, you automatically discard the container it had been in? I propose a modification to the inventory system so bottles/gourds work similar to rifles and blowguns--they can be refilled if they are empty. Obviously, you can't just carry around spare water like you can ammo, so to refill a water container, you have to be in water. This would clearly make areas near water more popular, which I don't think is a bad thing, or without precedent. Furthermore, this could lead to new and interesting directions, such as other liquids that could be carried around, causing various effects. Off the top of my head:
* drinking too much "ocean" water will make you sick (reducing your hit % temporarily)
* a "create mysterious serum" skill the shaman/scientist can eventually learn that (along with certain ingredients) lets them create a "buff" potion.
* special healing water springs that have double the recuperative effect
This would also address one of the concerns I've had regarding healing skills. To my knowledge, there is no place in Shartak where you are more likely to consistantly find healing kits/herbs, etc. its all fairly random. By comparision, UD has certain buildings where you can only find certain items (i.e. hospitals = first aid kits). IMO, its currently too difficult/AP consuming to heal. Without a way to consistantly find/create healing items, it's not likely there will be "healers" willing to use their hard-to-find healing items on anyone else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:14, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
::Have you found the hut in Dalpok with all the drying herbs hanging up? Says something about a shaman being busy, I seem to have a reasonable success rate at finding healing herbs there. Not sure if there are more around. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:17, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
:::No, I hadn't noticed such a hut(s), I've assumed they were all pretty much the same. If certain huts are more likely to contain certain items, I've another suggestion--'''label them'''. Any opinion on my primary suggestion of refillable containers? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:31, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
::::I can confirm that huts may look identical on the outside, but their inside descriptions can differ significantly. Fortunately, anyone with the right tool can carve a message on a hut's outer walls, such as "Empty Inside" or "Shaman's Hut". --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:24, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::Refillable containers? Give the user the choice to discard the container? Sure, sounds cool to me. About the water supply: I agree that ocean water (water right off the beach) would be bound to be salty and unpotable in a real-world scenario. According to the [[Locations]] page, there's a river off the south side of the mountain, which would seem to be the only known terrestrial fresh water source on the whole island. Hmm, a thought: If we were to have refillable containers, then might one also expect there to be wells in or around the villages? --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:24, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::There is at least one more (much shorter) river near Derby. I'll bet there is a lake or two somewhere as well. Wells are probably not a bad idea. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 15:05, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Remove uber sword of doom(aka heavy sword) ===
I don't even have a heavy sword yet but I can already tell(from the item page) that it makes a lot of things utterly useless.Just for reference the heavy sword is(when maxed attack skills) 45% hit, 5dam= '''2.25dam/ap'''. What does it make useless, well let me begin.<br>

1.Rifle skills- reason: the ap you spent getting the xp for those skills was better used searching for a heavy sword.<br>

2.Rifle- reason: the dam/ap for the rifle is lower than a the heavy sword '''before''' factoring in the search for ammo part. The math: the rifle is 5 dam,60% hit,1.5 ap/shot( 3ap per 2 shots i think)= (5*.6)/1.5 =3/1.5 = '''2ap/dam NOT FACTORING IN SEARCHING FOR AMMO'''.

3. The blowpipe- reason: the blowpipe sucks as it is, the machete makes it pointless(unless they actually poison) and the heavy sword just makes it absolute garbage(even if they poisoned). The math: 4 dam, 20% hit, 2ap/shot(assuming you have to reload after every shot i don't use the blowpipe so I wouldn't know)= (4*.2)/2=.8/2= '''.4 dam/ap NOT FACTORING IN SEARCHING FOR AMMO'''.

Conclusion- I realize there are problems with the blowpipe but as far as I can tell with the rifle there are none. The knowledge of there even being a heavy sword is enough to discourage those that would take rifles training as a skill. The sword is just too powerful to balance in game as the only way to balance it would be to add another item that is just as crazy powerful, making it rare does nothing to the balance as people can still find it and it makes those few ,whom the RNG loves, ridiculosly overpowered. If the RNG loves somebody they should get multipul hits in a row not the ability to destroy everybody who can't/doesn't want to waste the ap to gain that ability. And after all just because it is rare doesn't mean we all can't find it, I know eventually we would all find one and there would be no variaty whatsoever in battle. Take urban dead for example they balanced the shotguns,pistols, and fireaxe evenly so there is no superior choice its about how you want to play. With the heavy sword it makes all other items pale in comparison BEFORE search rates are keyed into calculations, in urban dead it is AFTER that they are about even. This suggestion to remove something doesn't punish anybody because as of right now we do not know where to find the heavy sword, the only ones were stumbled across randomly so nobody would really have "wasted" the ap to find it(unless they have but I know after reading a bit I didn't for the fun reducing factor everybody having one would bring). Also don't bring up things about how I don't know how it works ingame because unless it takes 6ap to attack the math shows it is unbalanced. Please Simon fix this unbalanced weapon by removing it, not by making everything else oh so much better. ANybody who is with me sign in the comments please.

'''Comments'''

*I agree. The machete with maxed out melee skils is arguably better than any other weapon, and the heavy sword makes that look like a butter knife. Yank it or make it so rare it would be like winning the lottery twice. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:49, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

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Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.

Begin a new item with a * and "sign" your suggestions using <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> so we know who to blame ;)

Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.

This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

:Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pet System ===
I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

=== Profile Effect Items ===
These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)
:For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a "create mask" option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).
::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

* I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things ("I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!") and not feel that the game is just about collecting items ("Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game."). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique Item Hunt ===
''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

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== About the wiki ==

=== Editing ===

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=== Clan pages ===

Q. How do I list my uber l33t clan page like the others?

A. Edit your clan page and add "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans]]</nowiki>" (no quotes). If you also want to
be listed as a specific type of clan, also add "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for Outsiders]]</nowiki>" or "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for Natives]]</nowiki>" or "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for both]]</nowiki>".

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== Your vital statistics ==

=== Hit points (HP) ===

Q. I've only just started playing. How do you recover your HP?

A. Food and drink are your friend! You can find food and water by searching, and also the odd med-kit and healing herbs. Watch out for berries, some will restore you and others take it out if you! More information on recovery items are noted on the [[Items]] page.

=== Action points (AP)===

Q. How does AP replenish?

A. You get an extra AP every 20 minutes, up to a maximum of 75. It is reputably possible to have negative AP if you perform an action that takes alot of AP.

=== Experience (XP) ===

Q. How do you gain experience?

A. All sorts of ways, but most notably by killing animals, or people! Chopping down the jungle seems to also yield amount of XP. More information on methods of earning experience points are noted on the [[XP Gains]] page.

== Life and death ==

===Character deaths===

Q. What happens when you die? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:26, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

A. You are dead, and you can still walk around, as a spirit. You cannot talk, but some of the skills can help with that. You retain your items but cannot use them. If you go to a shaman he will bring you back to life, or you can use 50 AP to have your spirit moved home (e.g. York, Derby, Dalpok) and revived instantly.

Q. How much XP is awarded for a player kill? Is it different for killing within your own group (Native killing a native)? Is it relative to the level of the other character?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:28, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

A.

=== NPC's (Non Player Characters) deaths ===
Q: The 'statistics on kills' page [http://www.shartak.com/statkills.html] shows each group has killed a shaman numerous times. As I understand, there is always 1 shaman in each town/village. What are the consequences of this? Unable to be revived until one respawns? -[[User:Jackel|Jackel]]

A. If the shaman of your town/village dies, you cannot be revived. Attempting to contact the shaman of your town/village while he "a spirit" yields this message: ''You sense that XX wishes you to be patient and ask again later as he is a spirit as well and is trying to return to his body so he can help others.'' It is unknown how long it takes for a shaman to be revived.

==Items==

Q. Can items that you are carrying be destroyed or damaged? Specifically, can a machete ever be broken or become dull with use requiring sharpening? Is there any reason to carry around more than one machete? -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:59, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. I would like to ask for everyones help in finding more about the elusive heavy sword, like what density of jungle did you find them in, is there a hut underneath the jungle or was it a jungle square with a hut? Or if you actually find them in the jungle? THe info on them right now is shaky. Im currently going on a search-a-thon but help is greatly appreciated.
:: Please feel free to add some data to [[Search Odds]] or [[Search Odds Condensed]] to help in the effort to work out where to find this item and others! -- [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo]] 10:27, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Do poison darts poison ?
A.

Q. Are poisionous berries usefull for anything? Making poison darts for example.

=== Gold ===

Q. What is gold good for?

A. Hmm.. good question. Also mentioned on [[Items#Gold_Coins|the items page]] as you get more gold by searching and finding gold coins.

==Locations==

===Jungle===

Q. Do chopped jungles ever grow back?<br>
A. Yes. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. If so, how long is the growth rate?<br>
A. Not sure, but it's highly noticable if your not in an area which is being constantly tramoked by NPC's and players. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Would jungles grow while you were standing in one?<br>
A. Yes. This happened to me many times. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Are search rates changed by the density of the jungle?<br>
A. Not sure. The amount of searching i've done over time I could probably answer this, If i'd been at all observant of such details.. but I havn't. Your best help is probably [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo's]] [[Search Odds Condensed]] page. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:02, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

==General Gameplay==

Q. What time period is the game based in? Excepting the GPS, the choice of items available impies anywhere from the 1600's to the early 1900's. The GPS unit seems a little out of place but implies that the time period has to be present day. Maybe i missed some other items or note about the date? --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 21:52, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

A1. I'm not sure there is really an answer to this as such.. or perhaps many answers.. but.. the whole thing has a kinda lost world feel to it I think. Natives cut off from civilisation. Outsiders from the modern world stranded. Such an idea could explain almost any range of technology, except something like a satellite dish or long range radio transmitters that would allow outsiders to broadcast their distress and get rescued of course.

Requests for information

2006-03-08T18:45:36Z

Jackel: removed "animal respawning" question, as it is a documented and fixed bug

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== About the wiki ==

=== Editing ===

Q. This wiki thing is odd and filled with odd people! I am frightened!

A. That's not a question! But never fear, the wiki is a great tool that only gets better with more participation and information. Here is the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Mediawiki Handbook] for detailed information on how things work. The [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] section is a handy reference for beginners.

=== Signature ===

Q. Typing all that code to sign my posts is tiresome. Is there a better way to do this?

A. At the top of the edit field, you'll see a series of icons. The second to last icon resembles a partial signature. Simply click on this icon and it will generate the code to sign your posts.

=== Clan pages ===

Q. How do I list my uber l33t clan page like the others?

A. Edit your clan page and add "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans]]</nowiki>" (no quotes). If you also want to
be listed as a specific type of clan, also add "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for Outsiders]]</nowiki>" or "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for Natives]]</nowiki>" or "<nowiki>[[Category:Clans for both]]</nowiki>".

For example, an Outsider-only clan would have: <nowiki>[[Category:Clans]] [[Category:Clans for Outsiders]]</nowiki>.

Q. How do I make the information box that appears on clan pages?

A. At the moment there is not a way to do this besides copying the code they use and pasting it in your clan page. Make sure you properly edit it to display your own information.

== Your vital statistics ==

=== Hit points (HP) ===

Q. I've only just started playing. How do you recover your HP?

A. Food and drink are your friend! You can find food and water by searching, and also the odd med-kit and healing herbs. Watch out for berries, some will restore you and others take it out if you! More information on recovery items are noted on the [[Items]] page.

=== Action points (AP)===

Q. How does AP replenish?

A. You get an extra AP every 20 minutes, up to a maximum of 75. It is reputably possible to have negative AP if you perform an action that takes alot of AP.

=== Experience (XP) ===

Q. How do you gain experience?

A. All sorts of ways, but most notably by killing animals, or people! Chopping down the jungle seems to also yield amount of XP. More information on methods of earning experience points are noted on the [[XP Gains]] page.

=== Gold ===

Q. What is gold good for?

A. Hmm.. good question. Also mentioned on [[Items#Gold_Coins|the items page]] as you get more gold by searching and finding gold coins.

== Life and death ==

===Character deaths===

Q. What happens when you die? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:26, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

A. You are dead, and you can still walk around, as a spirit. You cannot talk, but some of the skills can help with that. You retain your items but cannot use them. If you go to a shaman he will bring you back to life, or you can use 50 AP to have your spirit moved home (e.g. York, Derby, Dalpok) and revived instantly.

Q. How much XP is awarded for a player kill? Is it different for killing within your own group (Native killing a native)? Is it relative to the level of the other character?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 14:28, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

A.

=== NPC's (Non Player Characters) deaths ===
Q: The 'statistics on kills' page [http://www.shartak.com/statkills.html] shows each group has killed a shaman numerous times. As I understand, there is always 1 shaman in each town/village. What are the consequences of this? Unable to be revived until one respawns? -[[User:Jackel|Jackel]]

A. If the shaman of your town/village dies, you cannot be revived. Attempting to contact the shaman of your town/village while he "a spirit" yields this message: ''You sense that XX wishes you to be patient and ask again later as he is a spirit as well and is trying to return to his body so he can help others.'' It is unknown how long it takes for a shaman to be revived.

==Items==

Q. Can items that you are carrying be destroyed or damaged? Specifically, can a machete ever be broken or become dull with use requiring sharpening? Is there any reason to carry around more than one machete? -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:59, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. I would like to ask for everyones help in finding more about the elusive heavy sword, like what density of jungle did you find them in, is there a hut underneath the jungle or was it a jungle square with a hut? Or if you actually find them in the jungle? THe info on them right now is shaky. Im currently going on a search-a-thon but help is greatly appreciated.
:: Please feel free to add some data to [[Search Odds]] or [[Search Odds Condensed]] to help in the effort to work out where to find this item and others! -- [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo]] 10:27, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Do poison darts poison ?
A.

Q. Are poisionous berries usefull for anything? Making poison darts for example.

==Locations==

===Jungle===

Q. Do chopped jungles ever grow back?<br>
A. Yes. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. If so, how long is the growth rate?<br>
A. Not sure, but it's highly noticable if your not in an area which is being constantly tramoked by NPC's and players. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Would jungles grow while you were standing in one?<br>
A. Yes. This happened to me many times. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:05, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

Q. Are search rates changed by the density of the jungle?<br>
A. Not sure. The amount of searching i've done over time I could probably answer this, If i'd been at all observant of such details.. but I havn't. Your best help is probably [[User:Fitzcarraldo|Fitzcarraldo's]] [[Search Odds Condensed]] page. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 17:02, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

==General Gameplay==

Q. What time period is the game based in? Excepting the GPS, the choice of items available impies anywhere from the 1600's to the early 1900's. The GPS unit seems a little out of place but implies that the time period has to be present day. Maybe i missed some other items or note about the date? --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 21:52, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

A1. I'm not sure there is really an answer to this as such.. or perhaps many answers.. but.. the whole thing has a kinda lost world feel to it I think. Natives cut off from civilisation. Outsiders from the modern world stranded. Such an idea could explain almost any range of technology, except something like a satellite dish or long range radio transmitters that would allow outsiders to broadcast their distress and get rescued of course.

Writing

2006-03-07T19:21:57Z

Jackel:

"Writing on the tree (or sand)" was [[Suggestions|suggested]] by [[User:Snarf|Snarf]] on January 27, 2006. As of February 27, 2006, it has been observed that this suggestion has been implemented.

Similar to speech, Natives/Ousiders can't understand the other's messages, and vice versa. It appears as gibberish.

=== Tree ===

You can carve a message in Jungle terrain with density ranging from 5 to 9.
* ''You carve '''XX''' onto a tree.''

Any character that visits that area will see the terrain description and your message.
* ''Carved on a nearby tree is '''XX'''''

If a carved message already exists in the area, you will not be able to carve anything.
* ''You can't find any room to carve anything.''

By chopping jungle to density lower than 5, you will destroy the carving.
*''The tree with the carvings is chopped down, blade marks obscuring all trace of what was there.''

It requires a knife to carve into trees

=== Sand ===

You can draw a message in Beach terrain.
*''You draw '''XX''' in the sand.''

If a drawn message already exists in the area, you will be able to draw over it.
*''You draw '''XX''' in the sand obliterating what was there before.''

=== Huts ===
You can carve a message into squares that contain huts.
*''You carve '''XX''' onto the side of a hut.''

Any players in the square will see what you have carved in the hut.
*''Carved on the side of a hut is '''XX''' ''

You can scratch out something that has already been carved to write your own message.
*''You scratch out what was carved there before.''

Game design

2006-03-06T02:39:18Z

Jackel: reply to Lint's point

This an open forum to discuss game design. These are neither [[Bugs]] nor [[Suggestions]] (though they may lead to bug reports and game proposals), but points to consider for maintaining balance and consistency.

==Mechanics==

*Base accuracy for a weapon is higher than a fist, which is arguably unrealistic. One assumes that you would be less skilled with a weapon than your own hand. (I recall reading a similar comment to this, but I can't find it at the moment.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
**All characters appear to have a 10% chance to deal 1 damage with punching.
**Knives and Daggers appear to have a 20% chance to deal 1 damage.
:maybe it is just the punch only has a ten percent chance to actually doing damage(the text does say missed however), I know if i fought somebody who has a knife(or dagger) in RL they would do more to me than me to them, even if niether of us have any training,ex. Fists are a strange weapon and to actually do any damage with a punch(mainly only at the strongest point in your swing) you have to have some good timing.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:02, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I see what you're saying... how about punch 50-70% with a 20-30% chance of inflicting 1 damage after a successful hit, 0 damage otherwise (making it 10-21% but with 3 different messages - miss, hit but don't do damage, hit and do damage). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
:Let me point out that this isn't really a problem. It's just something that a die-hard realist would try to press. On one hand, you can have Fists as the most accurate weapon until you get weapon skills (which will make the the first levels incredibly painful). On the other hand, you can have weapons as more accurate than fists (which allow new users to quickly become involved in the game). I don't know if I'd have the patience if it took me 70 AP to kill a parrot. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*It is likely to be more efficient to die than to search for items and heal yourself. (Based on an observation was made by Leaf on the [[Suggestions]] page.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I think this observation is based on the false perception that ''one needs to be fully healed at all times''. There is no fundamental difference in performance when at less than ideal health. Remember, this game is set on an unexplored, remote island, not a heavily populated British suburb *coughUrbanDeadcough* its arguably more realistic to not be at peak health all the time, and for healing items to be somewhat scarce. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:12, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::I guess my problem is that death can be used as a tool rather than a game experience. Say you're at 2 HP. You can spend the next few days scrounging for enough recovery items to heal and continue on or you can get killed and begin playing with full HP the next day. Say you're 100 squares away from your hometown and want to get back, if you can get something to kill you (perhaps even kill yourself with poisonous berries), you will have potentially saved AP. I think we should be discouraged from taking advantage of death somehow. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:20, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
:::This is a very good point.. what form of discouragement would be enough to make this less useful? Loss of AP and XP instead of 50AP (if so, what values for each)? Loss of a random skill? Loss of some of your inventory? Maybe you get summoned to the nearest (or random) camp of the same type rather than to your home camp? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:56, 4 March 2006 (GMT)
::::I do see your point, Lint, and agree, Death should not be so much useful as it is annoying, nor should it be too annoying. One thought I had (aside from simply making it easier to stock healing items with [[Suggestions#Refillable_containers|refillable containers]]) was to make coming back from the dead progressively harder. I don't simply mean heaping onto the AP cost of getting ressurected, but maybe the shaman can send the dead on quests or punishments or something beyond simply waiting for your AP to recover?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

::::It's difficult to suggest something to dissuade death while not motivating griefing. I kind of like the camp idea and quests idea, but I'd need to get more familiar with the death experience before I can truly say anything. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 16:12, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:::::Requiring that a dead person (spirit) must travel to a shaman to be 'resurrected' rather than just hitting the 'spend 50AP - go home' button would stop people using death as a teleporter. Making 'Town Shamans' have to recharge between resurrections (with the amount of time being tweaked depending on player numbers), potentially forcing a spirit to have to hang around and check in on a regular basis to see if the Shaman was ready, would make resurrection less of a sure thing. Another alternative to increase the uncertainty, and hence make death a gamble, not a strategy, would be to give the Town Shamans a %chance to resurrect and a set amount of AP. If too many people tap the Shaman looking for resurrections, they are 'asleep' 'til they recharge. Both would also increase the value of player shamans (whom I presume can also resurrect if they have the right skills). [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:58, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::"Recharging" Shamens sounds like a reasonable idea.
::::::: I like the idea of the spirit having to find the shaman to ressurect him; in addition to the AP cost, they have to wander around the jungle, find their bearings, etc. It also segues nicely for the player shaman to have a skill allowing them to ressurect. Zerging risk here, having a player run a shaman and a "fighter", keeping them close so the shaman PC can quickly revive the fallen fighter. Also, this might create imbalance the two factions, as the PC shamen may not want to revive Outsiders.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:37, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
::::::I believe that the purpose behind "Contact Shaman" feature is so players that haven't a clue where the nearest village is (ie. ME) don't spend the rest of the game as a lost spirit. I think I'd just create a new character if I wasn't presented with the option to contact a Shaman. Another alternative that I've considered is perhaps the Town Shaman's power isn't as strong over long distances. If a spirit choose to contact a Shaman, they would respawn where they originally died, but with reduced HP. Perhaps a greater distance from the hometown results in less HP. This would put an end to teleportation and make taking advantage of death to gain full health slightly less advantageous (at least if the player is not within reasonable walking distance of a Town Shaman). However, I can see problems if some animal or PKer is camping the corpse, waiting to clobber them when they return. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:32, 6 March 2006 (GMT)
:::::::A fair point, what if the player received a message from his "home shaman" if he was he was too far away, and needed to move xx squares in direction X, xx squares in direction Y to be "in range". That player could also choose to go to another shaman if he thought one was closer. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:39, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

==Outsider/Native Balance==
'''Axiom''': Outsiders and Natives should not have a complete advantage over the other.<br>
'''Axiom''': Different, but equal.

*Natives by default can determine the difference between "Tasty" and "Poisonous" berries. Outsiders by default cannot. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

*Outsiders by default can use a GPS unit. Natives by default presumably cannot. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

==Class Balance==
'''Axiom''': No class should have a complete advantage over the other.

*According to the [[Talk:Character Classes|chart]], Soldiers have a slight advantage over other classes in regards to skills. Add to that their high HP, gives them even more of an edge. The only disadvantage they face is the process of searching and reloading ammunition. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:Assuming that chart is accurate, the soldier isn't even the most advantageous class among his own group! The scientist has more total skills available then a soldier, and if you give more preference to being able to shoot a gun, then it is important to note how low search rates are, and that ammunition is even more rare. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)
::The chart isn't complete. I did make some assumptions in possible skills based on what we know about the skill trees, but I don't think that it was wholly inaccurate to do so. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:40, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Shamans supposedly don't start with any items and have the lowest HP.
**Counterpoint: Shamans and their outsider counterpart, Scientists, are among some of the highest ranking characters at the moment. Something is obviously working. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:What shamen may lack in starting inventory they more than make up for in overall skill potential (seemingly the most of any class). What good is starting with a banana or a few extra bullets by comparison? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*According to the statistics, there is a lack of interest in Villagers and Settlers. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
:I agree, at this point there doesn't seem to be any overiding appeal for these classes, which logically should be the most abundant, at least with regards to villagers. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:27, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Are there any game mechanics (besides HP, starting inventory, and available skills) that are influenced by your character class? Should there be? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:52, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
**Inventory size
**Base accuracy
**Base damage
**Search odds
**AP limit

Suggestions

2006-03-06T02:29:38Z

Jackel: /* Other */ spirit movement

Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.

Begin a new item with a * and "sign" your suggestions using <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> so we know who to blame ;)

Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.

== To-do list? ==

Perhaps I should add a to-do list here on the wiki so you can comment/vote on the ideas before they're implemented. Then again, perhaps I shouldn't as this would spoil the surprise ;) Not so much a "things I might do" list like this page but a "things I am going to do" list.

--[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:59, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I'd say unless your debating whether to implement a change, or are seeking feedback, just make whatever changes you are going to make and only tell us afterward. While I'm sure we are all interested in what might be in the pipeline for Shartak, it creates expectations, and expectations lead to frustration when the ideas you are planning aren't implemented in a timely fashion. Think of a game like Duke Nukem Forever, which created massive backlash among its fans for going through delay after delay. If the game designers had not created the expectation (and being unable to fulfill it), there would be no basis for the fan backlash. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:23, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

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== Skills ==

===Planting/agriculture===
Both outsiders and natives with this skill should be able to plant trees (mango, banana) on fertile land. By clearing away jungle, and applying an example of the fruit of the tree you wish to plant, you could sow the seed. A tree of that type would then sprout X days later. This would open up for plantation, and help feed the villages/settlements. --[[User:DKChannelboredom|DKChannelboredom]] (2 March)

''Comments''
:Interesting idea, perhaps only a chance that a tree will grow, and to ensure a tree grows you have to plant a certain number of fruit of the same kind on the same block. Of course, does this mean that existing trees should occasionally die off, say if they get surrounded by 8 blocks of highest density jungle and the tree block is also highest density jungle.. maybe explained as something to do with lack of sunlight reaching the tree because of the amount of jungle around it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
::Why not treat existing trees and planted trees separately? My initial thought is that if I did not have this skill, I would still like the opportunity to gather resources from a dependable source. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Weapon Skills ===
The Warrior/Soldiers class should get weapon skills, like spear skills for the warrior and rifle skills for the soldier, make the soldiers skills make the rifle have better to hit then the natives spear but the rifle requires the searching of ammo, this makes the difference between natives and outsiders warrior classes more than the blowpipe and rifle (blowpipes do 1 less damage) EDIT: I ahnotice that the outsiders do indeed have rifle training, freshly added to the wiki I guess.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:07, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

We have been doing some research(see the talk page in character classes) and it appears that warriors are no better at fighting(unless you count 10 extra hp as being really great) than any other class, correct me if I'm wrong but if there is no warrior only fighting skill what makes them warriors and not shamans w/ blowpipes(pardon the pun but they "blow") and +10hp? and if that is all they are how come soilders get extra skills? -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:55, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Tracking ===
Anyone with the Tracking skill should be able to track where people have gone, either generic "A native passed by here recently" or more specific "Average Joe left heading north 2 days ago".

''Comments''
* Should probably be a timelimit so you don't see "Average Joe left heading north 90 days ago". - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]

=== Religious Devotion ===
Required to use "Holy Scriptures" --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Jungle Skills ===
The jungle environment has great potential to add significant dynamic to this game. These could be a set of skills to reflect this.
: Jungle Lore: Player has x% chance of discovering item/artifact. Might work in conjunction with search skill.
: Make/Detect Traps: Spikes, Pits etc... Not sure this is possible and what would be need to time degrade this.[[User:Nankilstlas|Nankilstlas]]
: Some kind of "hiding" skill where you can spend AP to conceal yourself in fauna, so you can't be seen by passersby. Visually, it could take the form of "reforesting" a block to dark green, and someone who chops through would "uncover" you, perhaps getting some XP? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:34, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:: A 'trapping' skill looks like it would be exploited by greifers (surrounding someone with traps, for example), but I like the 'Hiding' and 'Jungle Lore' ideas.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:26, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:: The hiding skill shouldn't conceal you from animals or someone with the Sixth Sense, Exploration, or Jungle Lore skills, otherwise the player would be invincible.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:15, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
:::Agreed, hostile animals should be able to sniff out hidden players, and Sixth Sense makes sense as well. Hidden players have to remain motionless to stay hidden, using items, searching, etc, would "unhide" the person. I was also thinking how the "reforesting" aspect could be abused to create vast areas that needed to be chopped down, so maybe a player could only hide in an already dark green area, (getting a message like ''there is not enough foliage to suitable hide in'' when trying in a cleared area) limiting its effect somewhat, and creating a little extra tension when on the run from someone and trying to find an overgrown area to hide in. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:37, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Skinning ===
This is a skill that does not have a pre-requisite. Upon coming across an area where a dead animal is present, the player is given an opportunity to skin the animal. The process of skinning costs 1 AP and has a chance of producing items such as '''Animal Hide''' or '''Animal Tooth''' or '''Animal Feathers'''. These items can be traded to an NPC found in villages and exchanged for Gold Coins. This skill should be available to all classes to grant them all with an equal opportunity of earning Gold. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
* Extend skinning to killed players? No, that's just wrong. We are civilized.
* Make skinning have a pre-requisite of '''Exploration'''? Perhaps.
* Make skinning always produce an item, rather than chance? No, I like a good challenge.
* Perhaps it could be tied to the Meat suggestion? Possibly.

''Comments''
* Good idea, perhaps natives don't have a pre-requisite, but outsiders need exploration? *cough* --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:12, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
** While that may be a more realistic way to handle it - since natives would conceivably be more experienced with such matters - I think that changing the skill tree for such a minor skill would upset the general sense of game balance between the two sides. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:43, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animal Spirit ===
(native only) Upon gaining this skill, an animal type is associated with the player. Any attacks by the player on that animal result in negative xp, but the animal is less likely to attack the player. Additionally, if the player dons the skin of the animal (perhaps via the Skinning skill) then a bonus is given to the player, such as faster movement, hit bonus, damage bonus. Bonus could be dependant on animal. Upon player death, there is a chance the player's animal spirit will change. --frisco

''Comments''

=== Build Training ===
(Outsiders only) They gain the ability to build walls around the outsider settlements. There would be different levels like reinforced, light, massive, etc. Whoever can attack them and destroy them. Maybe there would be a skill for building gates? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:33, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Natives should be able to make walls too - think King Kong, plus if there are native ruins on this island, then they must still have some decent construction knowledge lingering around. However, Outsiders should have an "Advanced" skill that allows for stronger walls. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:Yes, any human should be able to build, and they should ONLY be able to build in certain areas, so as not to have some group lay claim to a section of the island with key resources (assuming there are some). Also, it should take a LOT of AP. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Trap Laying ===
(Native only) They can place one time use traps that dmg outsiders only. This skill can only be used in the jungle. Maybe a skill to be able to detect traps? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:36, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Again i'm thinking Outsiders could make traps too - some of them must have been hunters in the Old Country - but perhaps an Advanced skill for natives, leading to higher success rate, since they are more used to the environment. This skill seems dangerous, though, possibly leading to clans just laying traps in every single square of jungle, making it ridiculous for the other side. Perhaps a trap can only be made in certain jungle types, and only lasts until the jungle changes in level (either growing up naturally or down by the same character type chopping it). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:53, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:This was already proposed in the "jungle skills" section. I agree, it seem too easy to abuse by griefers.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

===Comment Cartagraphy===
Applies to Natives & Outsiders, most likely best applied only to the classes, scouts & explorers. I am thinking that it would be great to get more out of the map. This skill would allow those who have it to be able to add a limited number of short comments to their maps. These comments could work as references so as to be able to use the map to help find points of interest at some other time. I could see this probably difficult to implement, but perhaps it could work in that one could click in a quadrant on the map which would reload the page and allow you to add a text comment / description to a form. This text comment on a save would place a reference number on that quadrant of the map and the text would be listed to the right or below the map with accompanying reference number. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 17:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

== Items ==

=== Spear ===
It could be the native warriors main weapon, give it a base damage of 3, same to hit as machete but it wouldn't cut through jungle -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:02, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:A spear for stabbing or a spear for throwing (i.e single use) ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:49, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Head-shrinking powder ===
This could be either a melee or area weapon used by natives.

''Comments''
* What are the effects of it? Causes X HP of damage? Loss of AP? Loss of XP? Instant death? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]

=== Meat ===
Heals 2 HP. Used by both outsiders and tribals. It appears in your inventory when you kill a beastie. [[User:Bungalow Bill|Bungalow Bill]]

''Comments''
* But you can only carry 200 pounds of meat back to your wagon. <nowiki></oregontrail></nowiki> --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:15, 13 February 2006 (GMT)
* Or you have to cook it, taking one AP and possibly a fire-lighting skill (who wants to eat raw monkey?).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:12, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
** Maybe you don't have to cook it but you get less HP and possibly lose HP to food poisoning. [DarkFerret]
* Or, to make it more, hm, tribal, you could need to bring it back to specific places in the village where it could be (instantaneously) cooked and used as a replenished "health pool" any player could use. You would still have the occasional berries to eat in the forest, but real meal would occure at a settlement. It would also provide a more efficient healing system (as currently, you roughly get to spend 50 AP to recover 4 or 5 HP, which makes death the most efficient way to restore your HP). -- Leaf
**''There is a large pot of stew cooking, it appears to be half full.''
''You eat some and feel better. After a few spoonfuls you find your friend's pocket watch.'' [DarkFerret]

=== Radio beacon/receiver ===
A radio beacon/receiver for outsiders to pinpoint specific locations of interest.

''Comments''
* What's wrong with using the GPS co-ordinates of a specific location? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
*Perhaps a way to have GPS waypoints or markers IN one own's GPS? --[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 19:39, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Holy Scriptures ===
Used to convert Natives into Ousiders. Requires "Religious Devotion". Most likely found around Outsider settlements --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*Nobody wants to have a class change againt their will. -Grigoriy
*Noone wants to die against their will either, but it does happen ;-) Might be irritating, but also might be quite interesting. It would have to be possible both ways of course, natives to outsiders and outsiders to natives. Perhaps the outsiders can convert natives to outsiders with holy scriptures using the religious devotion skill and natives can convert outsiders to natives with a bottle of beer using the seduction skill! ;-) --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:28, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Unit (Redesign) ===
This is a suggestion to change the gps unit into an object that presumably fits better with the game setting. We currently have no other modern item available for use (anachronism - VOCABULARY WORD!). Perhaps we should use a sextant? And rather than reveal the position all of the time, it requires a 1 AP use in non-dense, non-enclosed area. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*Yes, GPS units are indeed ''malapropos'' (another vocabulary word :D)--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:33, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Refillable containers ===
Does it really make sense that after drinking something, you automatically discard the container it had been in? I propose a modification to the inventory system so bottles/gourds work similar to rifles and blowguns--they can be refilled if they are empty. Obviously, you can't just carry around spare water like you can ammo, so to refill a water container, you have to be in water. This would clearly make areas near water more popular, which I don't think is a bad thing, or without precedent. Furthermore, this could lead to new and interesting directions, such as other liquids that could be carried around, causing various effects. Off the top of my head:
:::::drinking too much "ocean" water will make you sick (reducing your hit % temporarily)
:::::a "create mysterious serum" skill the shaman/scientist can eventually learn that (along with certain ingredients) lets them create a "buff" potion.
:::::special healing water springs that have double the recuperative effect
This would also address one of the concerns I've had regarding healing skills. To my knowledge, there is no place in Shartak where you are more likely to consistantly find healing kits/herbs, etc. its all fairly random. By comparision, UD has certain buildings where you can only find certain items (i.e. hospitals = first aid kits). IMO, its currently too difficult/AP consuming to heal. Without a way to consistantly find/create healing items, it's not likely there will be "healers" willing to use their hard-to-find healing items on anyone else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:14, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
::Have you found the hut in Dalpok with all the drying herbs hanging up? Says something about a shaman being busy, I seem to have a reasonable success rate at finding healing herbs there. Not sure if there are more around. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:17, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
:::No, I hadn't noticed such a hut(s), I've assumed they were all pretty much the same. If certain huts are more likely to contain certain items, I've another suggestion--'''label them'''. Any opinion on my primary suggestion of refillable containers? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:31, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

== Other ==

=== Supplies in settlements ===
Could there perhaps be some kind of a more reliable way to get things in villages, apart from randomly finding them? Coming across abandoned items in jungles, evaquated police departments and such makes sense, but going on an epic quest for a machete under someone's carpet in an active village just seems a bit out of place.

So, if it's not too much of a hassle, which it most likely is, I suggest there to perhaps be put some kind of trader characters in settlements, who could exchange all kindsa things for random junk you've found lying around in other places, or maybe you could get these fellas to make items for you free of charge, which you could go and pick up after a period of time?

..probably too complicated for something that's rather useless. Oh well. --[[User:Ismo Kuikka|Ismo Kuikka]]

''Comments''
:There's a trading post in one of the huts in Dalpok, can't get anything there though. Perhaps a sign of things to come? --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 10:33, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Tunnels ===
Tunnels underneath the island lead to interesting places.

as a res''Comments''
:How do you know they don't exist? :) [[User:Dr._J|Dr. J]]

=== Treasure to capture ===
"Capture the flag" type objective, in this case the flags are treasure from each village. Bonus points in the form of XP or gold coins to be awarded to the holder of the treasure at certain intervals.

''Comments''
:I would like to modify this slightly Mystery Suggester. Please see the '''Unique Item Hunt''' suggestion. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing on the tree (or sand) ===
Should be able to write stuff in the sand on the beaches and carve short messages into trees in the jungle. To avoid "carve-wars" the only way to get rid of messages on trees could be to chop the jungle down and wait for it to grow again before you can write a new message. -- [[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:32, 27 January 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:FYI, currently working on this. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:16, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
:Done. Watch out for quirks depending on where you're writing. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:24, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Informational messages ===
You should be able to see what other people have done since your past turn. Much like the skill above, except for most actions that take place. Such as '[09:34]Joe used a medkit on Roger' or '[05:23]Dan Attacked a Boar and missed'. If this is implemented, there should be a menu that you can use to toggle certain bits of information, to reduce or stop spam. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:14, 6 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I don't want to see when people miss attacks, that's just too much information (unless it's me that they're attacking!) - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:Would be useful to see when kills are made in the same location eg. Dan killed a boar or Joe killed Roger - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:How about making a list of "informational messages" that might be required? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:* PlayerX killed PlayerY.
:* PlayerX killed animal.
:* PlayerY died from eating some poisonous berries. (self-inflicted death)

=== Player VS Player Interaction ===
I would propoese a to hit % penalty for attacking members of same Home location. I believe this will promote exploration and perhaps offer a measure of protection of newly "birthed" population. As a recent victim of death by the hands of a warrior from my own villiage this has a bit of appeal to me ;). - [[User:Nankilstlas|Nan]]

''Comments''
:Instead of a hit % penalty, what about reducing or eliminating XP earned for such attacks? It would be similar to the ZvZ penalty used in UrbanDead, and its easier to rationalize not getting as much experience fighting one of your own than to rationalize that its harder to hit your own people for some reason. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:52, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Spirit Movement ===

A couple thoughts on this topic.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

*My character has the "trekking" skill, but as a spirit, actually moves '''slower''' (1 AP per square) than when he's alive! Spirits should move '''at least''' as fast as someone skilled at traversing terrain.

*Spirits move effortlessly through the thickest jungle, water, swamp--as it should be. Why should mountains be an impediment?

== Classes ==

=== Priest ===
Starts off with a "Holy Scripture" and the "Religious Devotion Skill". --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:None of the other classes start with a skill. I think they should just have access to the skill, and maybe stuff like scientists don't (I'm not saying all scientists are unreligious, just that there probably aren't any THAT religious!). [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:06, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Scientist (Rename) ===
This is a suggestion to change the name of the Scientist class to Professor. From Tarzan to Gilligan's Island, the science-type in has been regarded as Professor rather than Scientist. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*I like! --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:38, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
::I don't. If someone wants to roleplay as a scholarly Prof, more power to them. As it is, the term "Scientist" suggests a broader archetype, inviting players to make of their character what they will. which I favor. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 23:56, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Villager/Settler ===

[[User:Lint|Lint]] recently made a very salient point with respect to [[Game_Design|Class Balance]]. Namely, there are very few players '''(4% currently)''' choosing to be (Outsider) Settlers or (Native) Villagers. Realistically, these should be the most abundant classes, so clearly (aside from trival starting inventory) these classes clearly lack any definable appeal. I propose that these 2 classes (due to their years of plying and scavenging their surroundings) are more adept at searching then their peers. As such, they have a +20% bonus in base search percentage. There is precedent for this in UD, with the "consumer" class getting an immediate advantage in searching, and though the nature of that game (i.e. constant heavy barricading of Malls) makes it difficult for consumers to realize their advantage, this would not be the case in Shartak. This change will undoubtedly make these overlooked classes more attractive to new players.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:25, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I wouldn't say that it's completely a bad thing that the Settler and Villager populations are low. (Wouldn't you say that the Consumer population is the lowest in "that other game"?) However, I do agree that this class doesn't appear to be getting the same respect as the others. The search bonus or perhaps the '''Agriculture''' suggestion might be justifiable. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Animal ===
It would be interesting to play as an animal. They wouldn't be able to use some items or learn certain skills, but they could smell the trails of humans and other animals. Some could eat vegetation, an action similar to choping, and restore HP. --[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 18:24, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Pirate ===
Every tropical island needs pirates! Could either be Outsider or a separate grouping altogether (current pirates being more native than foreign, from the news i read). Don't know what special skills they have, maybe better at finding gold in towns, or general stuff on the beach, and any parrots they encounter follow them around (perhaps monkeys too). If agriculture is implemented, they get to grow weed and poppy. Maybe they'd be better as the Outsider NPC counterpart to NPC shamans, and raid towns every so often. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I have no idea how we could implement them into Shartak, but I do like pirates... --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 05:29, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I have some ideas how to implement them. Just so you know, Pirates have been on my todo list for a couple of months now but I'm holding off sorting them out until I have skills and items worked out for them and have finished some of the higher priority things. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:00, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pet System ===
I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Effect Items ===
These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Unique Item Hunt ===
''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

Suggestions

2006-03-06T02:23:45Z

Jackel: /* To-do list? */

Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.

Begin a new item with a * and "sign" your suggestions using <nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki> so we know who to blame ;)

Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.

== To-do list? ==

Perhaps I should add a to-do list here on the wiki so you can comment/vote on the ideas before they're implemented. Then again, perhaps I shouldn't as this would spoil the surprise ;) Not so much a "things I might do" list like this page but a "things I am going to do" list.

--[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:59, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I'd say unless your debating whether to implement a change, or are seeking feedback, just make whatever changes you are going to make and only tell us afterward. While I'm sure we are all interested in what might be in the pipeline for Shartak, it creates expectations, and expectations lead to frustration when the ideas you are planning aren't implemented in a timely fashion. Think of a game like Duke Nukem Forever, which created massive backlash among its fans for going through delay after delay. If the game designers had not created the expectation (and being unable to fulfill it), there would be no basis for the fan backlash. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:23, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

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== Skills ==

===Planting/agriculture===
Both outsiders and natives with this skill should be able to plant trees (mango, banana) on fertile land. By clearing away jungle, and applying an example of the fruit of the tree you wish to plant, you could sow the seed. A tree of that type would then sprout X days later. This would open up for plantation, and help feed the villages/settlements. --[[User:DKChannelboredom|DKChannelboredom]] (2 March)

''Comments''
:Interesting idea, perhaps only a chance that a tree will grow, and to ensure a tree grows you have to plant a certain number of fruit of the same kind on the same block. Of course, does this mean that existing trees should occasionally die off, say if they get surrounded by 8 blocks of highest density jungle and the tree block is also highest density jungle.. maybe explained as something to do with lack of sunlight reaching the tree because of the amount of jungle around it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
::Why not treat existing trees and planted trees separately? My initial thought is that if I did not have this skill, I would still like the opportunity to gather resources from a dependable source. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Weapon Skills ===
The Warrior/Soldiers class should get weapon skills, like spear skills for the warrior and rifle skills for the soldier, make the soldiers skills make the rifle have better to hit then the natives spear but the rifle requires the searching of ammo, this makes the difference between natives and outsiders warrior classes more than the blowpipe and rifle (blowpipes do 1 less damage) EDIT: I ahnotice that the outsiders do indeed have rifle training, freshly added to the wiki I guess.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:07, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

We have been doing some research(see the talk page in character classes) and it appears that warriors are no better at fighting(unless you count 10 extra hp as being really great) than any other class, correct me if I'm wrong but if there is no warrior only fighting skill what makes them warriors and not shamans w/ blowpipes(pardon the pun but they "blow") and +10hp? and if that is all they are how come soilders get extra skills? -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:55, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Tracking ===
Anyone with the Tracking skill should be able to track where people have gone, either generic "A native passed by here recently" or more specific "Average Joe left heading north 2 days ago".

''Comments''
* Should probably be a timelimit so you don't see "Average Joe left heading north 90 days ago". - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]

=== Religious Devotion ===
Required to use "Holy Scriptures" --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Jungle Skills ===
The jungle environment has great potential to add significant dynamic to this game. These could be a set of skills to reflect this.
: Jungle Lore: Player has x% chance of discovering item/artifact. Might work in conjunction with search skill.
: Make/Detect Traps: Spikes, Pits etc... Not sure this is possible and what would be need to time degrade this.[[User:Nankilstlas|Nankilstlas]]
: Some kind of "hiding" skill where you can spend AP to conceal yourself in fauna, so you can't be seen by passersby. Visually, it could take the form of "reforesting" a block to dark green, and someone who chops through would "uncover" you, perhaps getting some XP? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:34, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:: A 'trapping' skill looks like it would be exploited by greifers (surrounding someone with traps, for example), but I like the 'Hiding' and 'Jungle Lore' ideas.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:26, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:: The hiding skill shouldn't conceal you from animals or someone with the Sixth Sense, Exploration, or Jungle Lore skills, otherwise the player would be invincible.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:15, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
:::Agreed, hostile animals should be able to sniff out hidden players, and Sixth Sense makes sense as well. Hidden players have to remain motionless to stay hidden, using items, searching, etc, would "unhide" the person. I was also thinking how the "reforesting" aspect could be abused to create vast areas that needed to be chopped down, so maybe a player could only hide in an already dark green area, (getting a message like ''there is not enough foliage to suitable hide in'' when trying in a cleared area) limiting its effect somewhat, and creating a little extra tension when on the run from someone and trying to find an overgrown area to hide in. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:37, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Skinning ===
This is a skill that does not have a pre-requisite. Upon coming across an area where a dead animal is present, the player is given an opportunity to skin the animal. The process of skinning costs 1 AP and has a chance of producing items such as '''Animal Hide''' or '''Animal Tooth''' or '''Animal Feathers'''. These items can be traded to an NPC found in villages and exchanged for Gold Coins. This skill should be available to all classes to grant them all with an equal opportunity of earning Gold. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)
* Extend skinning to killed players? No, that's just wrong. We are civilized.
* Make skinning have a pre-requisite of '''Exploration'''? Perhaps.
* Make skinning always produce an item, rather than chance? No, I like a good challenge.
* Perhaps it could be tied to the Meat suggestion? Possibly.

''Comments''
* Good idea, perhaps natives don't have a pre-requisite, but outsiders need exploration? *cough* --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:12, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
** While that may be a more realistic way to handle it - since natives would conceivably be more experienced with such matters - I think that changing the skill tree for such a minor skill would upset the general sense of game balance between the two sides. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:43, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Animal Spirit ===
(native only) Upon gaining this skill, an animal type is associated with the player. Any attacks by the player on that animal result in negative xp, but the animal is less likely to attack the player. Additionally, if the player dons the skin of the animal (perhaps via the Skinning skill) then a bonus is given to the player, such as faster movement, hit bonus, damage bonus. Bonus could be dependant on animal. Upon player death, there is a chance the player's animal spirit will change. --frisco

''Comments''

=== Build Training ===
(Outsiders only) They gain the ability to build walls around the outsider settlements. There would be different levels like reinforced, light, massive, etc. Whoever can attack them and destroy them. Maybe there would be a skill for building gates? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:33, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Natives should be able to make walls too - think King Kong, plus if there are native ruins on this island, then they must still have some decent construction knowledge lingering around. However, Outsiders should have an "Advanced" skill that allows for stronger walls. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:Yes, any human should be able to build, and they should ONLY be able to build in certain areas, so as not to have some group lay claim to a section of the island with key resources (assuming there are some). Also, it should take a LOT of AP. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Trap Laying ===
(Native only) They can place one time use traps that dmg outsiders only. This skill can only be used in the jungle. Maybe a skill to be able to detect traps? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:36, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Again i'm thinking Outsiders could make traps too - some of them must have been hunters in the Old Country - but perhaps an Advanced skill for natives, leading to higher success rate, since they are more used to the environment. This skill seems dangerous, though, possibly leading to clans just laying traps in every single square of jungle, making it ridiculous for the other side. Perhaps a trap can only be made in certain jungle types, and only lasts until the jungle changes in level (either growing up naturally or down by the same character type chopping it). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:53, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:This was already proposed in the "jungle skills" section. I agree, it seem too easy to abuse by griefers.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)

===Comment Cartagraphy===
Applies to Natives & Outsiders, most likely best applied only to the classes, scouts & explorers. I am thinking that it would be great to get more out of the map. This skill would allow those who have it to be able to add a limited number of short comments to their maps. These comments could work as references so as to be able to use the map to help find points of interest at some other time. I could see this probably difficult to implement, but perhaps it could work in that one could click in a quadrant on the map which would reload the page and allow you to add a text comment / description to a form. This text comment on a save would place a reference number on that quadrant of the map and the text would be listed to the right or below the map with accompanying reference number. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|<sup>[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]]</sup> 17:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

== Items ==

=== Spear ===
It could be the native warriors main weapon, give it a base damage of 3, same to hit as machete but it wouldn't cut through jungle -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:02, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:A spear for stabbing or a spear for throwing (i.e single use) ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:49, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Head-shrinking powder ===
This could be either a melee or area weapon used by natives.

''Comments''
* What are the effects of it? Causes X HP of damage? Loss of AP? Loss of XP? Instant death? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]

=== Meat ===
Heals 2 HP. Used by both outsiders and tribals. It appears in your inventory when you kill a beastie. [[User:Bungalow Bill|Bungalow Bill]]

''Comments''
* But you can only carry 200 pounds of meat back to your wagon. <nowiki></oregontrail></nowiki> --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:15, 13 February 2006 (GMT)
* Or you have to cook it, taking one AP and possibly a fire-lighting skill (who wants to eat raw monkey?).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:12, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
** Maybe you don't have to cook it but you get less HP and possibly lose HP to food poisoning. [DarkFerret]
* Or, to make it more, hm, tribal, you could need to bring it back to specific places in the village where it could be (instantaneously) cooked and used as a replenished "health pool" any player could use. You would still have the occasional berries to eat in the forest, but real meal would occure at a settlement. It would also provide a more efficient healing system (as currently, you roughly get to spend 50 AP to recover 4 or 5 HP, which makes death the most efficient way to restore your HP). -- Leaf
**''There is a large pot of stew cooking, it appears to be half full.''
''You eat some and feel better. After a few spoonfuls you find your friend's pocket watch.'' [DarkFerret]

=== Radio beacon/receiver ===
A radio beacon/receiver for outsiders to pinpoint specific locations of interest.

''Comments''
* What's wrong with using the GPS co-ordinates of a specific location? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
*Perhaps a way to have GPS waypoints or markers IN one own's GPS? --[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 19:39, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Holy Scriptures ===
Used to convert Natives into Ousiders. Requires "Religious Devotion". Most likely found around Outsider settlements --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*Nobody wants to have a class change againt their will. -Grigoriy
*Noone wants to die against their will either, but it does happen ;-) Might be irritating, but also might be quite interesting. It would have to be possible both ways of course, natives to outsiders and outsiders to natives. Perhaps the outsiders can convert natives to outsiders with holy scriptures using the religious devotion skill and natives can convert outsiders to natives with a bottle of beer using the seduction skill! ;-) --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:28, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== GPS Unit (Redesign) ===
This is a suggestion to change the gps unit into an object that presumably fits better with the game setting. We currently have no other modern item available for use (anachronism - VOCABULARY WORD!). Perhaps we should use a sextant? And rather than reveal the position all of the time, it requires a 1 AP use in non-dense, non-enclosed area. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*Yes, GPS units are indeed ''malapropos'' (another vocabulary word :D)--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:33, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Refillable containers ===
Does it really make sense that after drinking something, you automatically discard the container it had been in? I propose a modification to the inventory system so bottles/gourds work similar to rifles and blowguns--they can be refilled if they are empty. Obviously, you can't just carry around spare water like you can ammo, so to refill a water container, you have to be in water. This would clearly make areas near water more popular, which I don't think is a bad thing, or without precedent. Furthermore, this could lead to new and interesting directions, such as other liquids that could be carried around, causing various effects. Off the top of my head:
:::::drinking too much "ocean" water will make you sick (reducing your hit % temporarily)
:::::a "create mysterious serum" skill the shaman/scientist can eventually learn that (along with certain ingredients) lets them create a "buff" potion.
:::::special healing water springs that have double the recuperative effect
This would also address one of the concerns I've had regarding healing skills. To my knowledge, there is no place in Shartak where you are more likely to consistantly find healing kits/herbs, etc. its all fairly random. By comparision, UD has certain buildings where you can only find certain items (i.e. hospitals = first aid kits). IMO, its currently too difficult/AP consuming to heal. Without a way to consistantly find/create healing items, it's not likely there will be "healers" willing to use their hard-to-find healing items on anyone else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:14, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
::Have you found the hut in Dalpok with all the drying herbs hanging up? Says something about a shaman being busy, I seem to have a reasonable success rate at finding healing herbs there. Not sure if there are more around. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:17, 25 February 2006 (GMT)
:::No, I hadn't noticed such a hut(s), I've assumed they were all pretty much the same. If certain huts are more likely to contain certain items, I've another suggestion--'''label them'''. Any opinion on my primary suggestion of refillable containers? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:31, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

== Other ==

=== Supplies in settlements ===
Could there perhaps be some kind of a more reliable way to get things in villages, apart from randomly finding them? Coming across abandoned items in jungles, evaquated police departments and such makes sense, but going on an epic quest for a machete under someone's carpet in an active village just seems a bit out of place.

So, if it's not too much of a hassle, which it most likely is, I suggest there to perhaps be put some kind of trader characters in settlements, who could exchange all kindsa things for random junk you've found lying around in other places, or maybe you could get these fellas to make items for you free of charge, which you could go and pick up after a period of time?

..probably too complicated for something that's rather useless. Oh well. --[[User:Ismo Kuikka|Ismo Kuikka]]

''Comments''
:There's a trading post in one of the huts in Dalpok, can't get anything there though. Perhaps a sign of things to come? --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 10:33, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Tunnels ===
Tunnels underneath the island lead to interesting places.

''Comments''
:How do you know they don't exist? :) [[User:Dr._J|Dr. J]]

=== Treasure to capture ===
"Capture the flag" type objective, in this case the flags are treasure from each village. Bonus points in the form of XP or gold coins to be awarded to the holder of the treasure at certain intervals.

''Comments''
:I would like to modify this slightly Mystery Suggester. Please see the '''Unique Item Hunt''' suggestion. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Writing on the tree (or sand) ===
Should be able to write stuff in the sand on the beaches and carve short messages into trees in the jungle. To avoid "carve-wars" the only way to get rid of messages on trees could be to chop the jungle down and wait for it to grow again before you can write a new message. -- [[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:32, 27 January 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:FYI, currently working on this. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:16, 20 February 2006 (GMT)
:Done. Watch out for quirks depending on where you're writing. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:24, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Informational messages ===
You should be able to see what other people have done since your past turn. Much like the skill above, except for most actions that take place. Such as '[09:34]Joe used a medkit on Roger' or '[05:23]Dan Attacked a Boar and missed'. If this is implemented, there should be a menu that you can use to toggle certain bits of information, to reduce or stop spam. [[User:Durja|Durja]] 18:14, 6 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I don't want to see when people miss attacks, that's just too much information (unless it's me that they're attacking!) - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:Would be useful to see when kills are made in the same location eg. Dan killed a boar or Joe killed Roger - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:How about making a list of "informational messages" that might be required? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]
:* PlayerX killed PlayerY.
:* PlayerX killed animal.
:* PlayerY died from eating some poisonous berries. (self-inflicted death)

=== Player VS Player Interaction ===
I would propoese a to hit % penalty for attacking members of same Home location. I believe this will promote exploration and perhaps offer a measure of protection of newly "birthed" population. As a recent victim of death by the hands of a warrior from my own villiage this has a bit of appeal to me ;). - [[User:Nankilstlas|Nan]]

''Comments''
:Instead of a hit % penalty, what about reducing or eliminating XP earned for such attacks? It would be similar to the ZvZ penalty used in UrbanDead, and its easier to rationalize not getting as much experience fighting one of your own than to rationalize that its harder to hit your own people for some reason. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:52, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

== Classes ==

=== Priest ===
Starts off with a "Holy Scripture" and the "Religious Devotion Skill". --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:None of the other classes start with a skill. I think they should just have access to the skill, and maybe stuff like scientists don't (I'm not saying all scientists are unreligious, just that there probably aren't any THAT religious!). [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:06, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

=== Scientist (Rename) ===
This is a suggestion to change the name of the Scientist class to Professor. From Tarzan to Gilligan's Island, the science-type in has been regarded as Professor rather than Scientist. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*I like! --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:38, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
::I don't. If someone wants to roleplay as a scholarly Prof, more power to them. As it is, the term "Scientist" suggests a broader archetype, inviting players to make of their character what they will. which I favor. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 23:56, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Villager/Settler ===

[[User:Lint|Lint]] recently made a very salient point with respect to [[Game_Design|Class Balance]]. Namely, there are very few players '''(4% currently)''' choosing to be (Outsider) Settlers or (Native) Villagers. Realistically, these should be the most abundant classes, so clearly (aside from trival starting inventory) these classes clearly lack any definable appeal. I propose that these 2 classes (due to their years of plying and scavenging their surroundings) are more adept at searching then their peers. As such, they have a +20% bonus in base search percentage. There is precedent for this in UD, with the "consumer" class getting an immediate advantage in searching, and though the nature of that game (i.e. constant heavy barricading of Malls) makes it difficult for consumers to realize their advantage, this would not be the case in Shartak. This change will undoubtedly make these overlooked classes more attractive to new players.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:25, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I wouldn't say that it's completely a bad thing that the Settler and Villager populations are low. (Wouldn't you say that the Consumer population is the lowest in "that other game"?) However, I do agree that this class doesn't appear to be getting the same respect as the others. The search bonus or perhaps the '''Agriculture''' suggestion might be justifiable. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Animal ===
It would be interesting to play as an animal. They wouldn't be able to use some items or learn certain skills, but they could smell the trails of humans and other animals. Some could eat vegetation, an action similar to choping, and restore HP. --[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 18:24, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Pirate ===
Every tropical island needs pirates! Could either be Outsider or a separate grouping altogether (current pirates being more native than foreign, from the news i read). Don't know what special skills they have, maybe better at finding gold in towns, or general stuff on the beach, and any parrots they encounter follow them around (perhaps monkeys too). If agriculture is implemented, they get to grow weed and poppy. Maybe they'd be better as the Outsider NPC counterpart to NPC shamans, and raid towns every so often. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I have no idea how we could implement them into Shartak, but I do like pirates... --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 05:29, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:I have some ideas how to implement them. Just so you know, Pirates have been on my todo list for a couple of months now but I'm holding off sorting them out until I have skills and items worked out for them and have finished some of the higher priority things. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:00, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

* That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

* So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Capturing villages ===
Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

:You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

:Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

:I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Unique skills ===
I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Pet System ===
I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

=== Profile Effect Items ===
These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''

=== Unique Item Hunt ===
''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

Talk:Death

2006-03-06T01:44:53Z

Jackel: Revival at other towns/villages

Talk:Death

2006-03-06T01:40:25Z

Jackel: /* Questions */