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Category talk:Clans

2006-02-18T20:38:27Z

Danheretic: /* Option 2 */

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Options for clan implementation - please discuss and/or vote.

To vote for one of the ideas, simply add <nowiki>#*# ~~~</nowiki> to the Votes line. To make a comment on an idea, add it to the discussion section. To add another idea, stick it at the end of the list.

# Clans could be a free text field and to join a clan you simply enter the correct text into the box in your profile.
#* Leadership to be decided internally amongst the clan members.
#* Votes:
#*# [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
# Make a skill that must be acquired before you can setup a new clan e.g. '''Clan Leadership'''
#* Anyone without the skill will be presented with a drop-down list of existing clans that they can join.
#* Anyone with the skill can either join an existing clan (just as a member) or can start a new clan.
#* Clan leader can exclude characters from the clan (or remove the exclusion)
#* Votes:
#*# [[User:Simon|Simon]]
#*# [[User:Lint|Lint]]
#*# [[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]
#*# [[User:Danheretic|danheretic]] 20:35, 18 February 2006 (GMT)
# Anyone can create a new clan similar to option 1.
#* First member automatically gains leadership status
#* There would be specific options available to the clan leader such as exclusions, as per option 2.
#* Votes:

==Further Discussion==
===Option 1===
*The free text field is probably the easiest clan method to design and use (it's incredibly straight-forward). But in my experience with Urban Dead, there are people joining that you don't necessarily want in your clan. And there are supposedly people claiming to be in a clan and doing unclanly things. Still the simplicity of the design makes it appealing. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

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===Option 2===
*The skill option sounds like a nice alternative because it establishes someone that is experienced with the game as a leader and someone their recruits can rely on for guidance. Alternatively, you could present the ability to create a clan as a semi-rare item or a quest prize. This method would put a sizeable limit to the amount of clans (as not everyone is initially capable of making a clan) to possibly make it more manageable for the server. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
*Continually expelling people may become a burden for the leader - there should be an option to make a clan unlisted from the menu. In order for an unlisted clan to grow, invites would be issued out by viewing the profile pages of others and clicking a 'Invite' button. And I guess, ultimately continually expelling invites may be a burden on a player - there should be an option to unlist themselves if they prefer being alone. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
* Rather than unlisting yourself from receiving invites, the invites could just be on a separate page linked from your profile and if you chose to ignore them then that's up to you. Doing it this way I could add a 'decline all' button to click once in a while. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:51, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
* An issue with Urban Dead skills & XP is that once you've bought all the skills available, there's not much to strive for. I'm all for semi-"fluff" skills which would be purchased by those with a serious interest in RP within the game, and this seems like a candidate for that type of skill, since it doesn't confer an in-game bonus. --[[User:Danheretic|danheretic]] 20:38, 18 February 2006 (GMT)
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===Option 3===
*If you don't like any of the public clans or want to start one with a bunch of friends that just started, you're kind of stuck in option 2. This third option takes the best of both worlds - straight-forward and ingame leadership. I see a downside in how all the "good" clan names are easily taken and held by semi-active players. I've played a game where this method was used to establish temporary parties, but the disposable nature conflicts with my beliefs as to what a clan should be. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
*This method definitely works in some games, possibly with the addition of a level restriction on making a clan. Obviously, that wouldn't want to be too high, especially if it's implemented for joining clans: that would be one of the best ways for a newbie (like me!) to learn the game and get help... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:17, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

==Questions==
*Do clans consist of Natives and Outsiders? Or only one type?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Doesn't matter as far as coding is concerned. It would make sense to only have one or the other in a clan, except that you could recruit 'spies' from the other type.
*Would it prove too much of a burden on the server if we were able to view an automatically generated clan roster repeatedly through the day?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Perhaps when we reach Urban Dead numbers of players. If it's too much, I could always generate static copies a couple of times daily.
*Will alliances and enemies be something that we can manage ingame, or is that better suited for the wiki?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Probably better suited to the wiki.
*Would it be possible to assign titles / ranks to members, or is this something else that should be maintained on the wiki?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: I might be persuaded to add titles or ranks in-game. It would probably make sense to have them there since I don't know that everyone uses the wiki.
*Would it be possible to assign leadership powers (accept, expel) to members that are not the leader? The benefits of this would enable a clan to continue to live if a leader is not active for a length of time. (Of course, they may be better off making another clan if it is for a large amount of time.)
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: This has been thought of although not documented here. I should be able to add some kind of joint leadership system if required.
*Will there be a limit to the clan size? (I.E. a minimum size to be recognized) --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 22:59, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Umm, how about a size of 2. A leader and a follower.

Category talk:Clans

2006-02-18T20:35:56Z

Danheretic:

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Options for clan implementation - please discuss and/or vote.

To vote for one of the ideas, simply add <nowiki>#*# ~~~</nowiki> to the Votes line. To make a comment on an idea, add it to the discussion section. To add another idea, stick it at the end of the list.

# Clans could be a free text field and to join a clan you simply enter the correct text into the box in your profile.
#* Leadership to be decided internally amongst the clan members.
#* Votes:
#*# [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]
# Make a skill that must be acquired before you can setup a new clan e.g. '''Clan Leadership'''
#* Anyone without the skill will be presented with a drop-down list of existing clans that they can join.
#* Anyone with the skill can either join an existing clan (just as a member) or can start a new clan.
#* Clan leader can exclude characters from the clan (or remove the exclusion)
#* Votes:
#*# [[User:Simon|Simon]]
#*# [[User:Lint|Lint]]
#*# [[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]
#*# [[User:Danheretic|danheretic]] 20:35, 18 February 2006 (GMT)
# Anyone can create a new clan similar to option 1.
#* First member automatically gains leadership status
#* There would be specific options available to the clan leader such as exclusions, as per option 2.
#* Votes:

==Further Discussion==
===Option 1===
*The free text field is probably the easiest clan method to design and use (it's incredibly straight-forward). But in my experience with Urban Dead, there are people joining that you don't necessarily want in your clan. And there are supposedly people claiming to be in a clan and doing unclanly things. Still the simplicity of the design makes it appealing. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

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===Option 2===
*The skill option sounds like a nice alternative because it establishes someone that is experienced with the game as a leader and someone their recruits can rely on for guidance. Alternatively, you could present the ability to create a clan as a semi-rare item or a quest prize. This method would put a sizeable limit to the amount of clans (as not everyone is initially capable of making a clan) to possibly make it more manageable for the server. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
*Continually expelling people may become a burden for the leader - there should be an option to make a clan unlisted from the menu. In order for an unlisted clan to grow, invites would be issued out by viewing the profile pages of others and clicking a 'Invite' button. And I guess, ultimately continually expelling invites may be a burden on a player - there should be an option to unlist themselves if they prefer being alone. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
* Rather than unlisting yourself from receiving invites, the invites could just be on a separate page linked from your profile and if you chose to ignore them then that's up to you. Doing it this way I could add a 'decline all' button to click once in a while. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:51, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

----

===Option 3===
*If you don't like any of the public clans or want to start one with a bunch of friends that just started, you're kind of stuck in option 2. This third option takes the best of both worlds - straight-forward and ingame leadership. I see a downside in how all the "good" clan names are easily taken and held by semi-active players. I've played a game where this method was used to establish temporary parties, but the disposable nature conflicts with my beliefs as to what a clan should be. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
*This method definitely works in some games, possibly with the addition of a level restriction on making a clan. Obviously, that wouldn't want to be too high, especially if it's implemented for joining clans: that would be one of the best ways for a newbie (like me!) to learn the game and get help... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:17, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

==Questions==
*Do clans consist of Natives and Outsiders? Or only one type?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Doesn't matter as far as coding is concerned. It would make sense to only have one or the other in a clan, except that you could recruit 'spies' from the other type.
*Would it prove too much of a burden on the server if we were able to view an automatically generated clan roster repeatedly through the day?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Perhaps when we reach Urban Dead numbers of players. If it's too much, I could always generate static copies a couple of times daily.
*Will alliances and enemies be something that we can manage ingame, or is that better suited for the wiki?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Probably better suited to the wiki.
*Would it be possible to assign titles / ranks to members, or is this something else that should be maintained on the wiki?
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: I might be persuaded to add titles or ranks in-game. It would probably make sense to have them there since I don't know that everyone uses the wiki.
*Would it be possible to assign leadership powers (accept, expel) to members that are not the leader? The benefits of this would enable a clan to continue to live if a leader is not active for a length of time. (Of course, they may be better off making another clan if it is for a large amount of time.)
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: This has been thought of although not documented here. I should be able to add some kind of joint leadership system if required.
*Will there be a limit to the clan size? (I.E. a minimum size to be recognized) --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 22:59, 16 February 2006 (GMT)
** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Umm, how about a size of 2. A leader and a follower.

User:Danheretic

2006-02-12T23:01:18Z

Danheretic:

'ello!

Items

2006-02-12T22:59:43Z

Danheretic: /* sharpening stone */

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Scattered about the island are a number of items that can be found. Some things tend to be found more in the camps and villages, other things are more likely to be found in the jungle.

== Weapons ==

=== Blunt Machete ===
Can be used to chop through jungle or for attacking animals and people. Doesn't always succeed in chopping the jungle.
Using a sharpening stone, the blunt machete can be sharpened.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle
* See also: Machete

=== Machete ===
Rather useful for chopping through the jungle, and also for dealing more damage than just punching.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Villages
* See also: Blunt Machete

=== Blowpipe ===
Native use. Needs ammo - poison darts. Takes 1 dart at a time.

=== Poison Dart ===
Used as ammo for the blowpipe.

* Used by: Natives
* Found: Villages

=== Rifle ===
Needs ammo - can be loaded with 2 bullets at a time.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

== Recovery ==

=== First Aid Kit ===
Heals wounds from sharks and adds 5 HP as standard.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

=== Healing Herbs ===
Native use. Restores 5HP.

=== Banana ===
Can be found hanging on trees. Restores HP.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle (Banana Tree)

=== Berries ===
Gives extra health. Some berries also take health.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle

=== Mango ===
Can be found hanging on trees and lying loose around the jungle. Restores 1 HP.

=== Gourd of Water ===
Native use? Restores 1HP.

== Miscellaneous ==

=== Gold Coins ===
Well it's gold, perhaps if I find a boat and get off this island I can trade it!

=== Piece of Driftwood ===
I'm not quite sure why I'm lugging this around.

=== Sharpening Stone ===
Used to sharpen blunt blades.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders(?)
* Found: Huts
* See also: Blunt Machete

Items

2006-02-12T22:59:12Z

Danheretic: /* Mango */

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Scattered about the island are a number of items that can be found. Some things tend to be found more in the camps and villages, other things are more likely to be found in the jungle.

== Weapons ==

=== Blunt Machete ===
Can be used to chop through jungle or for attacking animals and people. Doesn't always succeed in chopping the jungle.
Using a sharpening stone, the blunt machete can be sharpened.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle
* See also: Machete

=== Machete ===
Rather useful for chopping through the jungle, and also for dealing more damage than just punching.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Villages
* See also: Blunt Machete

=== Blowpipe ===
Native use. Needs ammo - poison darts. Takes 1 dart at a time.

=== Poison Dart ===
Used as ammo for the blowpipe.

* Used by: Natives
* Found: Villages

=== Rifle ===
Needs ammo - can be loaded with 2 bullets at a time.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

== Recovery ==

=== First Aid Kit ===
Heals wounds from sharks and adds 5 HP as standard.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

=== Healing Herbs ===
Native use. Restores 5HP.

=== Banana ===
Can be found hanging on trees. Restores HP.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle (Banana Tree)

=== Berries ===
Gives extra health. Some berries also take health.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle

=== Mango ===
Can be found hanging on trees and lying loose around the jungle. Restores 1 HP.

=== Gourd of Water ===
Native use? Restores 1HP.

== Miscellaneous ==

=== Gold Coins ===
Well it's gold, perhaps if I find a boat and get off this island I can trade it!

=== Piece of Driftwood ===
I'm not quite sure why I'm lugging this around.

=== sharpening stone ===
Used to sharpen blunt blades.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders(?)
* Found: Huts
* See also: Blunt Machete

Items

2006-02-11T23:52:38Z

Danheretic:

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Scattered about the island are a number of items that can be found. Some things tend to be found more in the camps and villages, other things are more likely to be found in the jungle.

== Machete ==

Rather useful for chopping through the jungle, and also for dealing more damage than just punching.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Villages
* See also: Blunt Machete

== Blunt Machete ==

Can be used to chop through jungle or for attacking animals and people. Doesn't always succeed in chopping the jungle.
Using a sharpening stone, the blunt machete can be sharpened.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle
* See also: Machete

== First Aid Kit ==

Heals wounds from sharks and adds 5 HP as standard.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

== Rifle ==

Needs ammo - can be loaded with 2 bullets at a time.

* Used by: Outsiders
* Found: Camps

== Berries ==

Gives extra health. Some berries also take health.

* Used by: Natives and Outsiders
* Found: Jungle

== Mango ==

Can be found hanging on trees and lying loose around the jungle. Restores HP.

== Blowpipe ==

Native use. Needs ammo - poison darts. Takes 1 dart at a time.

== Poison Dart ==

Used as ammo for the blowpipe.

* Used by: Natives
* Found: Villages

== Healing Herbs ==

Native use. Restores 5HP.

== Gourd of Water ==

Native use? Restores 1HP.

== Gold coins ==

Well it's gold, perhaps if I find a boat and get off this island I can trade it!