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<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>Can somebody post targets for expeditions on the page, if they have any? I was helping make a road, and then it turned west and I got confused... Also it would help publicize a little bit. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:29, 21 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Ah yes, I remember passing you a few days back, old chap. Me and the valiant M-Tek are forging that road west vaguely towards the savage's settlement of Wiksik, with occasional help from a silent and mysterious mr Smith. I'm sure I speak for both of us when I encourage you to join us in this worthy endeavour.<br /> <br /> At the time of writing, I believe we are drawing near to the village, and I have left the road to converse with a local. Having declared my allegeance and peacable intentions, I eagerly await his response. --Less Than Lethal<br /> <br /> To all those cutting the road from derby, I would advise you to watch out for the natives, I was just killed by one. I will attempt to contact the Local Shaman, and rejoin the part.-[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:38, 28 March 2006 (BST)<br /> <br /> Dear lord, some fool just slew the native I was contacting! There'll be war if this sort of behaviour continues! --Less Than Lethal<br /> <br /> My good sir, I think these natives may have declared war upon us, I do hope you've managed to stay alive, though I haven't seen you lately, and the road seems all but abandoned. I've been on the run in the jungle for a few nights now, When I don't wake up floating over my body that is. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 00:36, 3 April 2006 (BST)<br /> == Old Comments ==<br /> <br /> :not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]<br /> :::: I guess I'll claim the island for Royal Expedition then. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:44, 14 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::: It's been six days, but I think I'm swimming right off the coast of the island. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:06, 21 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::::: Did you have to go through any deep water? Sharks have already taken me below half HP. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:56, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::::: Ah, I've found it! There seems to be an abundance of wildlife, did you find any ruins or bushes? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 12:43, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::::::I went through deep water the first time (had a FAK, so I was OK). I am now trying to see if I can get there through shallows only (although I have 2 FAKS just to be sure). I found no ruins, bushes, nor many animals. [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 22:52, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::::::: I died, so the island still isn't entirly mapped :( --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:37, 27 March 2006 (BST)<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::Awesome, I look forawrds to meeting you. There's another guy cutting the path ahead, im currently binging on bananas after an unfortunate boar incident... [[User:DavidClements 03|DavidClements 03]]<br /> ::::Not to rain on your parades, but you ''do'' know that foilage grows back, right?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:22, 12 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::Oh man, I totally had no clue, oh.. oh man.. I'm so disillusioned. PSIKE! the jungle may grow back, but who found a sweet mango tree off the new road? -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 01:54, 12 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::: Yeah, but we can just keep cutting it back as we go back and forth for supplies, right? Even with light undergrowth the path is visible, so anyone using it can chop back offending branches to keep the way clear! And besides, I gotta do ''something'' with my free time... -- Less Than Lethal<br /> ::::I've managed to contact one of the natives! See discussion page for more details... -- Less Than Lethal<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :We should start recruiting in the Outsider villages; possibly start carving recruitment signs into trees. We should also formulate a formal policy on Pirates (whether their looting-ways will be tolerated as part of the Royal Expedition) --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 00:47, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::Good idead. I'll head back to York and start recruiting. As for pirates, they don't really bother me but I can't see the harm in excluding them either. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 01:13, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::Pirates really are such dreadfully uncivilised people. Surely we have a duty to keep this island free of uncouth folk? --Less Than Lethal<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :Who thinks we should have a clan forum for discussion of plans, status, warnings and pleas for help, etc? I know a guy who would probably host one for us. --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I could start one at any time but there would have to be interest first. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 00:09, 29 March 2006 (BST)<br /> :::Well it would be a lot easier to organise, plus we could keep this page clear for our public front/recruitment/whatever. --LTL<br /> ::I'm for a forum, but I think we should move these comments to the talk page and establish a clan mission first. --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 01:02, 31 March 2006 (BST)<br /> <br /> == Forum ==<br /> <br /> Took it upon myself to make one. It can be found[http://s9.invisionfree.com/Royal_Expedition/index.php here]. I also moved the comments to clean up our frontpage. Active members of this clan are welcome to become administrators. Just apply.</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Talk:Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_Alliance&diff=3090 2006-03-29T04:01:51Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>(1600 GMT) Join me in a raid o' th' native village o' ******! I will leave from th' shaman an' hade directly SE fer 50 AP worth an' move again next high tide' at this time.--[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 16:38, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *I be waitin' Sou'east o' the ship fer days now, trying to found this sort o' enclave. I'll try an' find me way to the scurvy village X. - The Pirate<br /> <br /> Avast shipmates! I will move another 50 paces or up t' th' village edge. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 16:05, 23 March 2006 (GMT)Arrrr! 48 paces t' th' edge jus' outisde an' I find me first native! From our shaman at th' shipwreck t' the'r village straight SE be exactly 99 paces! I will wait here wi' this friendly native. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 16:11, 23 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> OI!!! ay mate i killed mah second native. can't find the village but i must be close. me and my mate here are resting by a tree getting ready for the attack. do we have our own trader or do we need to hustle th' nnatives?<br /> --[[User:badhammer|badhammer]] 12:11, 27 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I hope ye find 't soon, an' aye, ye can use th' trader here. Ye will also end up usin' the'r shaman at least once a tide.--[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 20:17, 27 March 2006 (BST)<br /> <br /> Aye mate, I found the blasted place finally, been cuttin' and running fer a day ar two now. The scurvy savages aint found hide nor hair o' me, but I found them plenty. harharhar. Also been carvin' on thar huts. harharhar -the pirate</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Talk:Royal_Expedition&diff=3024 2006-03-28T03:38:59Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>Can somebody post targets for expeditions on the page, if they have any? I was helping make a road, and then it turned west and I got confused... Also it would help publicize a little bit. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:29, 21 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Ah yes, I remember passing you a few days back, old chap. Me and the valiant M-Tek are forging that road west vaguely towards the savage's settlement of Wiksik, with occasional help from a silent and mysterious mr Smith. I'm sure I speak for both of us when I encourage you to join us in this worthy endeavour.<br /> <br /> At the time of writing, I believe we are drawing near to the village, and I have left the road to converse with a local. Having declared my allegeance and peacable intentions, I eagerly await his response. --Less Than Lethal<br /> <br /> To all those cutting the road from derby, I would advise you to watch out for the natives, I was just killed by one. I will attempt to contact the Local Shaman, and rejoin the part.-[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:38, 28 March 2006 (BST)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_Alliance&diff=2842 2006-03-22T17:04:24Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>Pirates of the Caribbean Alliance<br /> <br /> Ahoy! me hearties! I be tryin' t' figure ou' how t' start th' Shipmates o' th' Caribbean Alliance (Pirates of the Caribbean Alliance), I say alliance on accoun' o' sea dogs follow nay orders an' do what we want, so 't shouldna be a very organized clan wi' leaders an' such, more o' a alliance 'ere we can organize attacks t' pillage an' dance. We will work wi' any seafarin' hearty, sea dog, swashbuckler, gentleman o' fortune, bucaneer, freedom lo'er, or other Pirate Clan.<br /> <br /> <br /> (1600 GMT) Join me in a raid o' th' native village o' ******! I will leave from th' shaman an' hade directly SE fer 50 AP worth an' move again next high tide' at this time.--[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 16:38, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *I be waitin' Sou'east o' the ship fer days now, trying to found this sort o' enclave. I'll try an' find me way to the scurvy village X. - The Pirate</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Items&diff=2821 2006-03-22T06:02:31Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Remove uber sword of doom(aka heavy sword) */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for [[Items]]. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Items ==<br /> <br /> === *Absinth ===<br /> Could have a very low chance of being found, and would display as &quot;Bottle of absinth&quot; (in addition to the existing &quot;Bottle of beer&quot; and &quot;Bottle of water&quot;). Would result in a distortion of game display, showing some kind of living beings (native, outsiders or animals) as another kind (a native could be displayed as an outsider or an animal), causing the intoxicated character to attack people he wouldn't have attacked otherwise, or trying to role-play with an angry elephant. --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 03:53, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :No reason to drink it then? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 23:37, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I'm sure someone would drink it anyway. Could bring back some HP, of course... --[[User:Mad Robert|Mad Robert]] 23:50, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Spear ===<br /> It could be the native warriors main weapon, give it a base damage of 3, same to hit as machete but it wouldn't cut through jungle -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 11:02, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :A spear for stabbing or a spear for throwing (i.e single use) ? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:49, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Head-shrinking powder ===<br /> This could be either a melee or area weapon used by natives.<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * What are the effects of it? Causes X HP of damage? Loss of AP? Loss of XP? Instant death? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]<br /> <br /> <br /> :Could be used on a body to create a totem of some sort. This can then be placed in a square. People from the same village or settlement as the now shrunken head take twice as many AP to move through because of fear. Disintergrates after x number of people have moved through the square.<br /> <br /> === Meat ===<br /> Heals 2 HP. Used by both outsiders and tribals. It appears in your inventory when you kill a beastie. [[User:Bungalow Bill|Bungalow Bill]]<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * But you can only carry 200 pounds of meat back to your wagon. &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/oregontrail&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:15, 13 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Or you have to cook it, taking one AP and possibly a fire-lighting skill (who wants to eat raw monkey?).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:12, 20 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Maybe you don't have to cook it but you get less HP and possibly lose HP to food poisoning. [DarkFerret]<br /> * Or, to make it more, hm, tribal, you could need to bring it back to specific places in the village where it could be (instantaneously) cooked and used as a replenished &quot;health pool&quot; any player could use. You would still have the occasional berries to eat in the forest, but real meal would occure at a settlement. It would also provide a more efficient healing system (as currently, you roughly get to spend 50 AP to recover 4 or 5 HP, which makes death the most efficient way to restore your HP). -- Leaf<br /> **''There is a large pot of stew cooking, it appears to be half full.''<br /> ''You eat some and feel better. After a few spoonfuls you find your friend's pocket watch.'' [DarkFerret]<br /> <br /> === Radio beacon/receiver ===<br /> A radio beacon/receiver for outsiders to pinpoint specific locations of interest.<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * What's wrong with using the GPS co-ordinates of a specific location? - [[User:Snarf|Snarf]]<br /> *Perhaps a way to have GPS waypoints or markers IN one own's GPS? --[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 19:39, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Holy Scriptures ===<br /> Used to convert Natives into Ousiders. Requires &quot;Religious Devotion&quot;. Most likely found around Outsider settlements --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *Nobody wants to have a class change againt their will. -Grigoriy<br /> *Noone wants to die against their will either, but it does happen ;-) Might be irritating, but also might be quite interesting. It would have to be possible both ways of course, natives to outsiders and outsiders to natives. Perhaps the outsiders can convert natives to outsiders with holy scriptures using the religious devotion skill and natives can convert outsiders to natives with a bottle of beer using the seduction skill! ;-) --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:28, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === GPS Unit (Redesign) ===<br /> This is a suggestion to change the gps unit into an object that presumably fits better with the game setting. We currently have no other modern item available for use (anachronism - VOCABULARY WORD!). Perhaps we should use a sextant? And rather than reveal the position all of the time, it requires a 1 AP use in non-dense, non-enclosed area. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * Yes, GPS units are indeed ''malapropos'' (another vocabulary word :D)--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 00:33, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Y'know, the &quot;GPS Unit&quot; item has stuck out like a sore thumb to me too. I'd be very much in favor of a lower-tech replacement, if only because it makes the game more timeless. But what tools ''did'' explorers of earlier eras use to measure latitude and longitude while traveling by land, anyway? And how accurate were they? Alternatively phrased: if you were trapped on a desert island without a GPS Unit, how would you estimate where you were? Lint's suggestion for a lower-tech replacement item, requiring AP and suitable terrain conditions for proper use, appeals to me. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:03, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * I've done some research into this and as Lint said, a sextant is what was used. Unfortunately though, a sextant doesn't do both longitude and latitude very quickly, you need charts/tables and several hours. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/longitude/secrets.html for info. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 14:55, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Ahh; yeah, I had just been checking out http://www.lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1268 myself. If I'm reading it right, it sounds like the bulk of the hours of calculation involved were due to being at sea and having to figure out what time zone you're in first as part of the equation. (Both pages mention a &quot;chronometer&quot; which was finally invented to try to solve that problem.) On land, though -- and especially on an island of Shartak's size -- you pretty much know where you are, and you're not likely to be crossing time zones. A quote from the Lewis &amp; Clark page: &quot;If time can be fixed along any meridian of longitude, then longitudinal distance can be determined by comparing time at that meridian with local time, usually based on the point at which the sun reaches its zenith.&quot; So. I wonder if we could fudge a bit with this sextant business by assuming that everyone on the island is able to determine what time it is on Shartak -- after all, we do get timestamped event messages! ;) -- and therefore we can apply that bit of knowledge to help determine longitude, overcoming the sextant's weakness. That could even go in the FAQ. I'm not really all that scientifically inclined, so please do feel welcome to correct me if if my thoughts are way off base. In closing, I still like Lint's ideas about making it cost AP and require suitable terrain. The former would represent the investment of time in setting up the equipment and doing the calculations. The latter would give players a reason to clear a square of jungle. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 16:07, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *** That all sounds good. I think there is a skill in there as well - I don't suppose a sextant is as accurate as GPS, so why not have it not produce the same result all of the time? Someone with the &quot;Skillful Sextant Supervisor&quot; skill gets more accurate results. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 16:17, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** The AP cost of a sextant or other device could easily be added to the GPS unit by requiring that you 'use gps' to get the reading rather than it being on all the time. Whilst redesigning the GPS unit, how about thinking of something for natives to find out where they are - obviously not as accurate as a sextant, but something to guide them around or to specific locations. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:30, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *** Just consider it a redesigned sextant that some mythical character dropped around the island and call it &quot;Professor Inglewood's Speedy Sextant And Nano Tables&quot; or some other such nonesense and leave it working the same, just with a different name. As for natives, maybe they could see/read totems at different points in the jungle, indicating where resources/towns are. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:06, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Refillable containers ===<br /> Does it really make sense that after drinking something, you automatically discard the container it had been in? I propose a modification to the inventory system so bottles/gourds work similar to rifles and blowguns--they can be refilled if they are empty. Obviously, you can't just carry around spare water like you can ammo, so to refill a water container, you have to be in water. This would clearly make areas near water more popular, which I don't think is a bad thing, or without precedent. Furthermore, this could lead to new and interesting directions, such as other liquids that could be carried around, causing various effects. Off the top of my head:<br /> * drinking too much &quot;ocean&quot; water will make you sick (reducing your hit % temporarily)<br /> * a &quot;create mysterious serum&quot; skill the shaman/scientist can eventually learn that (along with certain ingredients) lets them create a &quot;buff&quot; potion.<br /> * special healing water springs that have double the recuperative effect<br /> This would also address one of the concerns I've had regarding healing skills. To my knowledge, there is no place in Shartak where you are more likely to consistantly find healing kits/herbs, etc. its all fairly random. By comparision, UD has certain buildings where you can only find certain items (i.e. hospitals = first aid kits). IMO, its currently too difficult/AP consuming to heal. Without a way to consistantly find/create healing items, it's not likely there will be &quot;healers&quot; willing to use their hard-to-find healing items on anyone else. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:14, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> ::Have you found the hut in Dalpok with all the drying herbs hanging up? Says something about a shaman being busy, I seem to have a reasonable success rate at finding healing herbs there. Not sure if there are more around. --[[User:Snarf|Snarf]] 22:17, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::No, I hadn't noticed such a hut(s), I've assumed they were all pretty much the same. If certain huts are more likely to contain certain items, I've another suggestion--'''label them'''. Any opinion on my primary suggestion of refillable containers? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:31, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::I can confirm that huts may look identical on the outside, but their inside descriptions can differ significantly. Fortunately, anyone with the right tool can carve a message on a hut's outer walls, such as &quot;Empty Inside&quot; or &quot;Shaman's Hut&quot;. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:24, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::Refillable containers? Give the user the choice to discard the container? Sure, sounds cool to me. About the water supply: I agree that ocean water (water right off the beach) would be bound to be salty and unpotable in a real-world scenario. According to the [[Locations]] page, there's a river off the south side of the mountain, which would seem to be the only known terrestrial fresh water source on the whole island. Hmm, a thought: If we were to have refillable containers, then might one also expect there to be wells in or around the villages? --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:24, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::There is at least one more (much shorter) river near Derby. I'll bet there is a lake or two somewhere as well. Wells are probably not a bad idea. --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 15:05, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Remove uber sword of doom(aka heavy sword) ===<br /> I don't even have a heavy sword yet but I can already tell(from the item page) that it makes a lot of things utterly useless.Just for reference the heavy sword is(when maxed attack skills) 45% hit, 5dam= '''2.25dam/ap'''. What does it make useless, well let me begin.&lt;br&gt; <br /> <br /> 1.Rifle skills- reason: the ap you spent getting the xp for those skills was better used searching for a heavy sword.&lt;br&gt;<br /> <br /> 2.Rifle- reason: the dam/ap for the rifle is lower than a the heavy sword '''before''' factoring in the search for ammo part. The math: the rifle is 5 dam,60% hit,1.5 ap/shot( 3ap per 2 shots i think)= (5*.6)/1.5 =3/1.5 = '''2ap/dam NOT FACTORING IN SEARCHING FOR AMMO'''.<br /> <br /> 3. The blowpipe- reason: the blowpipe sucks as it is, the machete makes it pointless(unless they actually poison) and the heavy sword just makes it absolute garbage(even if they poisoned). The math: 4 dam, 20% hit, 2ap/shot(assuming you have to reload after every shot i don't use the blowpipe so I wouldn't know)= (4*.2)/2=.8/2= '''.4 dam/ap NOT FACTORING IN SEARCHING FOR AMMO'''.<br /> <br /> Conclusion- I realize there are problems with the blowpipe but as far as I can tell with the rifle there are none. The knowledge of there even being a heavy sword is enough to discourage those that would take rifles training as a skill. The sword is just too powerful to balance in game as the only way to balance it would be to add another item that is just as crazy powerful, making it rare does nothing to the balance as people can still find it and it makes those few ,whom the RNG loves, ridiculosly overpowered. If the RNG loves somebody they should get multipul hits in a row not the ability to destroy everybody who can't/doesn't want to waste the ap to gain that ability. And after all just because it is rare doesn't mean we all can't find it, I know eventually we would all find one and there would be no variaty whatsoever in battle. Take urban dead for example they balanced the shotguns,pistols, and fireaxe evenly so there is no superior choice its about how you want to play. With the heavy sword it makes all other items pale in comparison BEFORE search rates are keyed into calculations, in urban dead it is AFTER that they are about even. This suggestion to remove something doesn't punish anybody because as of right now we do not know where to find the heavy sword, the only ones were stumbled across randomly so nobody would really have &quot;wasted&quot; the ap to find it(unless they have but I know after reading a bit I didn't for the fun reducing factor everybody having one would bring). Also don't bring up things about how I don't know how it works ingame because unless it takes 6ap to attack the math shows it is unbalanced. Please Simon fix this unbalanced weapon by removing it, not by making everything else oh so much better. ANybody who is with me sign in the comments please.<br /> <br /> '''Comments'''<br /> <br /> *The math looks sound. And I agree that having everyone run around with Heavy Swords would make for a plain game. However, I don't see why it needs to be removed completely. Is there anything we can do to the sword mechanics to make it more even with the existing weapons? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:04, 10 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *I agree. The machete with maxed out melee skils is arguably better than any other weapon, and the heavy sword makes that look like a butter knife. Yank it or make it so rare it would be like winning the lottery twice. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:49, 10 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *I disagree with some of the logic in this argument. If the heavy sword were a common weapon, then I could understand the concern; however, the &quot;über sword of doom&quot; is hardly of such availability. As far as I know, only one player has the sword. Having rare items like it add a new dimension to the game - a sort of treasure hunting aspect. I would even propose that even more superior weapons are &quot;hidden&quot; around the island, possibly protected by superior animals. --[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 00:34, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** One player on the [[Game Design]] page has commented on how he has acquired 3 Heavy Swords. Don't get me wrong, some weapons should be better than others to allow for diversity (that's why there's knives, daggers, and whatnot). However, as it stands, the Heavy Sword to our knowledge is the single best weapon available. Everyone is going to be running around with it and if you don't have one, you won't be able to compete. It'd be like playing Rock-Paper-Scissors-Nuclear Bomb and Nuclear Bomb always wins. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 00:52, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Are these even real? I mean, how many people claim to have gotten them? one? This almost looks like a pretty funny joke. Also, Simon has stayed silent on this, implying some sort of uber sword conspiracy, so perhaps we shouldn't rock the boat. (Cue up suspenseful music) -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 06:02, 22 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Ranged weapons ===<br /> <br /> I never used a rifle, but the blowpipe feels quite useless at the moment indeed (unless it poisons). I was wondering if a ranged aspect could be added to those weapons to make up for their poor hp/ap ratio and their ammo requirement (and their lack of poison?). In practice, that would mean that once the rifle (or the blowpipe (I wonder if it poisons)) is selected from the attack drop-down menu, the target drop-down menu would include the entities from the surrounding squares. That would allow for some slightly safer attacks, especially in difficult terrain, or for around four minutes of triumph for having attacked someone from the distance (and poisonned him?), before being machetted to death anyway. That is: not much, but the satisfying feeling to have used a special weapon, with its own pros. -- Leaf<br /> * Ranged weapon skills for warriors to boost the blowpipe are in the pipeline. Seems I missed a section from my notes when adding skills. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:12, 10 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Sweet --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 06:34, 14 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Talk:Royal_Expedition&diff=2769 2006-03-21T08:43:46Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>Can somebody post targets for expeditions on the page, if they have any? I was helping make a road, and then it turned west and I got confused... Also it would help publicize a little bit. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:29, 21 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Talk:Royal_Expedition&diff=2766 2006-03-21T04:29:45Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>Can somebody post targets for expeditions on the page? I was helping make a road, and then it turned west and I got confused... Also it would help publicize a little bit. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:29, 21 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Game_mechanics&diff=2754 2006-03-20T19:59:47Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Forest Fire */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know your foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> Perhaps seeing the profile of someone on the opposite side if you or they have the advanced language skill would be good, it would be cool to hang around with some natives without worrying about aggressors. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:30, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> If you had a contact list and some way to target individuals on your list ala Urban Dead, I'm guessing that would probably help. Not so sure about the scalp display approach. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:36, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is &lt;del&gt;Grassland or&lt;/del&gt; Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Arr! I would ride that ghost beast like a horse jus' fer fun, then slay 't t' sell its tusks t' them outsiders an' th' meat t' them natives. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 17:46, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> In the Congo they refer to it as Mokele Mbembe - he who stops the flow of rivers - and it is rumoured to be a lost dinosaur. The island could do with some cryptozoology. Would this creature be able to disappear or hide or move incredibly fast? If not, then once one person finds it, they can just call everyone over to the same square. This kind of defeats the mythical aspect as well as adding potential server problems. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 18:24, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I should make the animals attack back in near-realtime first (as in you attack them and they may or may not get an attack in).. just to add a bit of interest to it and stop people running up to the creature and hacking and then running away. Making an animal with an almost unlimited number of HP would be possible.. I guess probably start it with at least double a normal elephant and max of about a thousand HP to prevent people healing it to the point where it'd be impossible to kill. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:37, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> It could be cool, especially if it moved around in a way that made tracking it possible, maybe by destroying the foliage, or moving in a pattern. Also having it move might help keep people from all winding up in one square beating it up. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:41, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I've tried to offset the game's focus on combat by encouraging healing (double XP may be too much of a reward, so I'm willing to remove that), but that alone will most likely be not enough to counter the horde of blood-thirsty savages!&lt;br&gt;Healing with the Herbs and FAKs may actually be seen as healing the Ghost Elephant spiritually rather than merely physically, which is why it's health can grow high. I don't see a problem if it became near-unkillable. I like keeping some myths and legends around.&lt;br&gt;I thought that it would be best if it traveled like an elephant, but it is true that it limits the people that are able to participate in the event. Perhaps it should &quot;teleport&quot;, after a certain amount of time in an area - &quot;A wall of fog sweeps in through jungle. When it fades, you see that the Ghost Elephant has vanished as well.&quot;&lt;br&gt;I requested for a log of actions to determine who killed it, who attacked it the most, who healed it the most, and who got hurt the most. Also, rather than a recurring animal, I thought it would be best to release it as an event that occurs every now and then. Or maybe only once! --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I like it. And of course, you needn't stick to land animals; a mysterious sea creature that patrols the island waters and is reported to be 30ft long could prompt more people to vernture into the waters for a glimpse/trophy etc. Sharks will also be a problem for those searching! --[[User:Malphas|Malphas]] 15:52, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Auto Attack ===<br /> I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left. <br /> <br /> An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.<br /> --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Game_mechanics&diff=2750 2006-03-20T18:22:53Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Forest Fire */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know your foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> Perhaps seeing the profile of someone on the opposite side if you or they have the advanced language skill would be good, it would be cool to hang around with some natives without worrying about aggressors. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:30, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> If you had a contact list and some way to target individuals on your list ala Urban Dead, I'm guessing that would probably help. Not so sure about the scalp display approach. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:36, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Arr! I would ride that ghost beast like a horse jus' fer fun, then slay 't t' sell its tusks t' them outsiders an' th' meat t' them natives. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 17:46, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> In the Congo they refer to it as Mokele Mbembe - he who stops the flow of rivers - and it is rumoured to be a lost dinosaur. The island could do with some cryptozoology. Would this creature be able to disappear or hide or move incredibly fast? If not, then once one person finds it, they can just call everyone over to the same square. This kind of defeats the mythical aspect as well as adding potential server problems. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 18:24, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I should make the animals attack back in near-realtime first (as in you attack them and they may or may not get an attack in).. just to add a bit of interest to it and stop people running up to the creature and hacking and then running away. Making an animal with an almost unlimited number of HP would be possible.. I guess probably start it with at least double a normal elephant and max of about a thousand HP to prevent people healing it to the point where it'd be impossible to kill. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:37, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> It could be cool, especially if it moved around in a way that made tracking it possible, maybe by destroying the foliage, or moving in a pattern. Also having it move might help keep people from all winding up in one square beating it up. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:41, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I've tried to offset the game's focus on combat by encouraging healing (double XP may be too much of a reward, so I'm willing to remove that), but that alone will most likely be not enough to counter the horde of blood-thirsty savages!&lt;br&gt;Healing with the Herbs and FAKs may actually be seen as healing the Ghost Elephant spiritually rather than merely physically, which is why it's health can grow high. I don't see a problem if it became near-unkillable. I like keeping some myths and legends around.&lt;br&gt;I thought that it would be best if it traveled like an elephant, but it is true that it limits the people that are able to participate in the event. Perhaps it should &quot;teleport&quot;, after a certain amount of time in an area - &quot;A wall of fog sweeps in through jungle. When it fades, you see that the Ghost Elephant has vanished as well.&quot;&lt;br&gt;I requested for a log of actions to determine who killed it, who attacked it the most, who healed it the most, and who got hurt the most. Also, rather than a recurring animal, I thought it would be best to release it as an event that occurs every now and then. Or maybe only once! --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I like it. And of course, you needn't stick to land animals; a mysterious sea creature that patrols the island waters and is reported to be 30ft long could prompt more people to vernture into the waters for a glimpse/trophy etc. Sharks will also be a problem for those searching! --[[User:Malphas|Malphas]] 15:52, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Auto Attack ===<br /> I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left. <br /> <br /> An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.<br /> --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Game_mechanics&diff=2749 2006-03-20T18:20:22Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Auto Attack */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know your foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> Perhaps seeing the profile of someone on the opposite side if you or they have the advanced language skill would be good, it would be cool to hang around with some natives without worrying about aggressors. --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:30, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> If you had a contact list and some way to target individuals on your list ala Urban Dead, I'm guessing that would probably help. Not so sure about the scalp display approach. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:36, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Arr! I would ride that ghost beast like a horse jus' fer fun, then slay 't t' sell its tusks t' them outsiders an' th' meat t' them natives. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 17:46, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> In the Congo they refer to it as Mokele Mbembe - he who stops the flow of rivers - and it is rumoured to be a lost dinosaur. The island could do with some cryptozoology. Would this creature be able to disappear or hide or move incredibly fast? If not, then once one person finds it, they can just call everyone over to the same square. This kind of defeats the mythical aspect as well as adding potential server problems. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 18:24, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I should make the animals attack back in near-realtime first (as in you attack them and they may or may not get an attack in).. just to add a bit of interest to it and stop people running up to the creature and hacking and then running away. Making an animal with an almost unlimited number of HP would be possible.. I guess probably start it with at least double a normal elephant and max of about a thousand HP to prevent people healing it to the point where it'd be impossible to kill. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:37, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> It could be cool, especially if it moved around in a way that made tracking it possible, maybe by destroying the foliage, or moving in a pattern. Also having it move might help keep people from all winding up in one square beating it up. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:41, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I've tried to offset the game's focus on combat by encouraging healing (double XP may be too much of a reward, so I'm willing to remove that), but that alone will most likely be not enough to counter the horde of blood-thirsty savages!&lt;br&gt;Healing with the Herbs and FAKs may actually be seen as healing the Ghost Elephant spiritually rather than merely physically, which is why it's health can grow high. I don't see a problem if it became near-unkillable. I like keeping some myths and legends around.&lt;br&gt;I thought that it would be best if it traveled like an elephant, but it is true that it limits the people that are able to participate in the event. Perhaps it should &quot;teleport&quot;, after a certain amount of time in an area - &quot;A wall of fog sweeps in through jungle. When it fades, you see that the Ghost Elephant has vanished as well.&quot;&lt;br&gt;I requested for a log of actions to determine who killed it, who attacked it the most, who healed it the most, and who got hurt the most. Also, rather than a recurring animal, I thought it would be best to release it as an event that occurs every now and then. Or maybe only once! --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I like it. And of course, you needn't stick to land animals; a mysterious sea creature that patrols the island waters and is reported to be 30ft long could prompt more people to vernture into the waters for a glimpse/trophy etc. Sharks will also be a problem for those searching! --[[User:Malphas|Malphas]] 15:52, 19 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Auto Attack ===<br /> I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left. <br /> <br /> An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.<br /> --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Character_classes&diff=2729 2006-03-20T01:59:41Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Outsider characters */</p> <hr /> <div>When you create a character for Shartak, you are asked to choose what the character's background is, e.g. soldier, explorer, native villager, etc. This is known as the character class. The character class choice affects what items the character starts with, what skills are available for the character to acquire, and what the character's Hit Point maximum will be. All eight character types are listed below along with information pertinent to each.<br /> <br /> == Native characters ==<br /> * '''Scout'''<br /> :Has 50 HP.<br /> :Starts with ''tasty berries'' and a ''gourd of water''.<br /> * '''Warrior'''<br /> :Has 60 HP.<br /> :Starts with a loaded ''blowpipe'' and a spare ''poison dart''.<br /> * '''Villager'''<br /> :Has 55 HP.<br /> :Starts with a ''banana'' and a ''healing herb''.<br /> * '''Shaman'''<br /> :Has 50 HP.<br /> :Starts with nothing.<br /> <br /> == Outsider characters ==<br /> * '''Explorer'''<br /> :Has 50 HP.<br /> :Starts with a ''bottle of water'' and a ''GPS unit''.<br /> * '''Soldier'''<br /> :Has 60 HP.<br /> :Starts with a ''rifle'' and a spare ''rifle bullet''.<br /> :Can learn rifle skills (others apparently cannot?)<br /> * '''Settler'''<br /> :Has 55 HP.<br /> :Starts with a ''bottle of beer'' and a ''first aid kit''.<br /> * '''Scientist'''<br /> :Has 50 HP.<br /> :Starts with 10x ''gold coins''.<br /> * '''Pirate'''<br /> :Has 65 HP<br /> :Starts with a ''bottle of rum'' and a ''cutlass''</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Items&diff=2728 2006-03-20T01:31:48Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Weapons */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Scattered about the island are a number of items that can be found. Some things tend to be found more in the camps and villages, other things are more likely to be found in the jungle.<br /> <br /> See also [[Talk:Items]]<br /> <br /> == Weapons ==<br /> <br /> === Dagger ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Ruins''<br /> <br /> A native knife. More accurate than a fist.<br /> <br /> === Knife ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''' : ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> <br /> Required for '''[[Writing|writing messages]]''' on trees or huts. More accurate than a fist.<br /> <br /> === Blunt Machete ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages'', ''Jungle''<br /> <br /> Can be used to chop through jungle or for attacking animals and people. Doesn't always succeed in chopping the jungle.<br /> Using a '''[[Items#Sharpening Stone|sharpening stone]]''', the blunt machete can be sharpened to become a '''[[Items#Machete|machete]]'''.<br /> <br /> === Machete ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''2 points''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages'', ''Jungle''<br /> <br /> Rather useful for chopping through the jungle, and also for dealing more damage than just punching.<br /> <br /> === Blunt Cutlass ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Ship''<br /> <br /> Can be used to chop through jungle or for attacking animals and people. Doesn't always succeed in chopping the jungle. Seems identical to '''[[Items#Blunt machete|blunt machete]]''' <br /> Using a '''[[Items#Sharpening Stone|sharpening stone]]''', the blunt machete can be sharpened to become a '''[[Items#Cutlass|cutlass]]'''.<br /> <br /> === Cutlass ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''2 points''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Ship''<br /> <br /> Rather useful for chopping through the jungle, and also for dealing more damage than just punching. Starting equipment for Pirate. Seems identical to '''[[Items# Machete| machete]]''' <br /> <br /> === Heavy Sword ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''4 points''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle'' (?)<br /> * '''Used by''': Outsiders (Natives?? UNVERIFIED!)<br /> <br /> Seems to be a quite capable weapon, ready to deal signifigant melee damage.<br /> <br /> === Blowpipe ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''4 points''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''': ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Natives (Outsiders require the '''[[Skills|Native Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Needs ammo - '''[[Items#Poison Dart|poison darts]]'''. Holds 1 dart at a time.<br /> <br /> === Rifle ===<br /> * '''Base damage''': ''5 points''<br /> * '''Base accuracy''' : ''20%''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Outsiders (Natives require the '''[[Skills|Outsider Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Needs ammo - '''[[Items#Rifle Bullet|rifle bullets]]'''. Holds 2 bullets at a time.<br /> <br /> == Ammunition ==<br /> <br /> === Poison Dart ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Natives (Outsiders require the '''[[Skills|Native Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Used as ammo for the '''[[Items#Blowpipe|blowpipe]]'''. Found as singles or in ''bundles'' with up to 7 in a bundle (?)<br /> <br /> === Rifle Bullet ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Outsiders (Natives require the '''[[Skills|Outsider Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Used as ammo for the '''[[Items#Rifle|rifle]]'''. Found as singles or in ''boxes'' with up to 7 in a box (?)<br /> <br /> == Recovery ==<br /> <br /> === First Aid Kit ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''5 points'' (''10 points'' with the '''[[Skills|First Aid]]''' skill)<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Outsiders (Natives require the '''[[Skills|Outsider Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Can be applied on others and self.<br /> <br /> === Healing Herbs ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''5 points'' (''10 points'' with the '''[[Skills|Natural Medicine]]''' skill)<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages'', ''Grasslands'', ''Ruins''<br /> * '''Used by''': Natives (Outsiders require the '''[[Skills|Native Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Can be applied on others and self.<br /> <br /> Outsiders without the '''Native Knowledge''' skill recognize this item as '''Dried Herbs'''.<br /> <br /> === Banana ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle'' (Banana tree)<br /> <br /> Can be found hanging on trees and lying loose around the jungle.<br /> <br /> === Berries, Poisonous ===<br /> * '''Inflicts''': ''-2 points''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle'' (Berry bush)<br /> <br /> Natives can determine the difference (Outsiders require the '''[[Skills|Native Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> === Berries, Tasty ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''2 points''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle''<br /> <br /> Natives can determine the difference (Outsiders require the '''[[Skills|Native Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> === Mango ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle'' (Mango tree)<br /> <br /> Can be found hanging on trees and lying loose around the jungle.<br /> <br /> === Bottle of Beer ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''2 points''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * Used by: Outsiders (and Natives?)<br /> <br /> === Bottle of Water ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''5 points''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * Used by: Outsiders (and Natives?)<br /> <br /> === Gourd of Water ===<br /> * '''Restores''': ''1 point''<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Jungle''<br /> <br /> == Miscellaneous ==<br /> <br /> === Gold Coins ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages'', ''Jungle'', ''Beach''<br /> <br /> Well it's gold, perhaps if I find a boat and get off this island I can trade it! You can toss a coin in the air and see if it lands heads or tails.<br /> <br /> === Piece of Driftwood ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Beach''<br /> <br /> The driftwood looks pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Sharpening Stone ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> <br /> Used to sharpen '''[[Items#Blunt Machete|blunt machetes]]'''.<br /> <br /> === Poisonous Snake ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Grasslands''<br /> <br /> I have no idea what this is for.<br /> <br /> === Crab ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Beach''<br /> <br /> Can't figure out how to use a crab.<br /> <br /> === Gem ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Ruins''<br /> <br /> I don't know how to use it.<br /> <br /> === GPS Unit ===<br /> * '''[[Locations]]''': ''Villages''<br /> * '''Used by''': Outsiders (Natives require the '''[[Skills|Outsider Knowledge]]''' skill)<br /> <br /> Shows the location of your character.<br /> <br /> Coordinates are in the form [-70.366, 26.443], where the first number is the X coordinate (longitude) and the second is the Y coordinate (latitude). Moving a single square represents a change in coordinate in that direction of 0.001.<br /> <br /> Seems that signal is available only in non dense jungle areas.--[[User:Wcervantes|Wcervantes]] 19:00, 16 February 2006 (GMT)</div>

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<p>BananaBear: /* The Ghost Elephant */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know you foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> * I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> Ha! I like this one, Lint, and simple to implement. It should really have a boatload of HP, as I think few will consider expending valuable healing items on it, when its far easier (and more rewarding) to hack away at it for 40 AP then make a run for it! --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 16:42, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> Arr! I would ride that ghost beast like a horse jus' fer fun, then slay 't t' sell its tusks t' them outsiders an' th' meat t' them natives. --[[User:El Pirata Cofresi|El Pirata Cofresi]] 17:46, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> In the Congo they refer to it as Mokele Mbembe - he who stops the flow of rivers - and it is rumoured to be a lost dinosaur. The island could do with some cryptozoology. Would this creature be able to disappear or hide or move incredibly fast? If not, then once one person finds it, they can just call everyone over to the same square. This kind of defeats the mythical aspect as well as adding potential server problems. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 18:24, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> I should make the animals attack back in near-realtime first (as in you attack them and they may or may not get an attack in).. just to add a bit of interest to it and stop people running up to the creature and hacking and then running away. Making an animal with an almost unlimited number of HP would be possible.. I guess probably start it with at least double a normal elephant and max of about a thousand HP to prevent people healing it to the point where it'd be impossible to kill. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:37, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> It could be cool, especially if it moved around in a way that made tracking it possible, maybe by destroying the foliage, or moving in a pattern. Also having it move might help keep people from all winding up in one square beating it up. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:41, 17 March 2006 (GMT)</div>

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<p>BananaBear: /* Forest Fire */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know you foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> *I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Suggestions:Game_mechanics&diff=2669 2006-03-17T04:53:58Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Forest Fire */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> {{Suggestionsnav}}<br /> <br /> Suggestions for Shartak are always welcome, although there's no guarantee that anything will be added. Comments on or modifications for any of the suggestions below can be added by editing this page. Please be considerate and don't just remove ideas that you don't like.<br /> <br /> Begin a new item with a * and &quot;sign&quot; your suggestions using &lt;nowiki&gt;-- ~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; so we know who to blame ;)<br /> <br /> Bug reports should go on the [[Bugs]] page.<br /> <br /> This is the suggestions page for game mechanics. See also the [[Suggestions]] page for other suggestions.<br /> <br /> == Game Mechanics ==<br /> <br /> === Conversion ===<br /> When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, &quot;Religious Conversion&quot; that requires a &quot;Holy Scripture&quot;. This allows a &quot;Priest&quot; to convert one native into a Outsider&quot;. The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/&quot;whatever the natives use&quot; side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy<br /> <br /> *All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more &quot;conversion items&quot; and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco<br /> <br /> *You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Capturing villages ===<br /> Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might &quot;wake up&quot; after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> :Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:<br /> ::* Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a &quot;war between Outsiders and Natives&quot; on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::* On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique skills ===<br /> I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a &quot;farming&quot; skill, Soldiers could have a &quot;bravery&quot; skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Pet System ===<br /> I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout &quot;SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!&quot; for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I was with you right up until you got to the &quot;sphere device&quot; bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than &quot;weakening&quot; it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a &quot;tame&quot; command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called &quot;animal bait&quot; (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a &quot;Yourself&quot; option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called &quot;tame count&quot; in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, &quot;WILD boars&quot; etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.<br /> <br /> === Profile Effect Items ===<br /> These are useless baubles that take up 1 unit of a player's inventory space, but if anyone views their profile they will see that the players possesses the item. Using the item won't accomplish anything and merely produce flavor text. However, if a player is in the presence of another player, using the item would show it off. As with all items, there's no way to trade them with other players. We can have eyepatches and peglegs. We can have tribal masks and warpaint. Maybe some clans would require a certain dress code. Maybe they need 30 pieces of flair. I think it provides an outlet for the less serious gamers. Problems: Serious gamers might be plagued with finding such items and dropping them, wasting (in their opinion) AP and Page Hits. Also, arguing over what items fit with the theme of Shartak will be a headache-inducing process. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * I like this suggestion. How about finding the pieces of the masks and making your own - combine the baubles with mini-quests? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:18, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :For example, to make the sacred warrior mask of Raktam, you must find 5 parrot feathers, a tiger tooth, some berries and a piece of driftwood that can be carved into the appropriate shape with a knife or dagger. Once you have all those items, you get a &quot;create mask&quot; option which then removes the required items and the mask appears in your inventory (and profile).<br /> ::Having the database check to see if they have all the ingredients seems a bit unwieldly. After every action or inventory use it might have to run the check to verify that they are alive, still have the items, etc. I'd just settle for having them take the items to a specific NPC. But yes, a mixing quest would be fun. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> * I just hope that this idea motivates players to try new things (&quot;I'm going to join a clan that wears such-and-such a mask and attack the others! Yarr!&quot;) and not feel that the game is just about collecting items (&quot;Well, I got all the masks. I guess I'm done with the game.&quot;). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:02, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> *Maybe the different masks have different effects, from some simple ones (attracting/scaring animals, making them less likely to attack or easier to hit) to the downright blatavt video game reference that turns you into a huge brown rocky guy who can punch boulders apart. OK, maybe not the second one. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 20:53, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :I think that's something to be worked on in a separate suggestion. The point of this suggestion is to make useless &quot;fancy hats&quot; that neither add or take away from the established gameplay. However, in the eyes of certain players, they may be invaluable because of how they can incorperate such items into their goals and roleplaying. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:52, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Unique Item Hunt ===<br /> '''Event''' ''Capture the Flag''-ish minigame. Somewhere on the island is a single conch shell item. It can be found by searching anywhere. It takes 1 inventory space and appears when anyone views their profile. When the conch holder is in the presence of other players, flavor text is added to the area description to inform the others that the conch holder is in the area. If the person in possession of the conch drops it, dies, or is idle for more than 5 days, the conch returns to the system. The person who holds the conch the longest gets recognized in the statistics. Killing the conch holder earns special bonus XP. Adept conch holder killers may also be recognized in the statistics. Problems: Someone with multiple characters could take advantage of having the conch on one character and reap the XP and fame with another. There will be a point where a race condition will occur and might result in multiple conches and a broken game. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> * This kind of thing has been on my ideas list, although this is much more detailed version than the one-liner I had. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === Know you foes ===<br /> As a native, I get killed a lot by outsiders, but I just can't strike back when I come back to life, as nothing allows me to identify my agressors amongst the outsiders I meet. I expected some basic language skill to give me access to clickable outsiders profiles, but it doesn't. So. I don't like much the fact that, in this game, the only alternative you have is &quot;attack random outsiders&quot; or &quot;attack none&quot;. I'd like to be able to protect myself without being too unfair to peaceful outsiders (and being part of some snowball effect).<br /> <br /> This would be partly solved by some profile access (allowing to check people's amount of human kills), or some limited displayed info on the present players (it would make -almost- sense for natives to automatically carry visible scalps or shrunken head of their victims, but I'm not sure how to justify the kills display in the case of outsiders, despite of the fact white men were actually quite fond of indian scalps at some time). Another useful tool would be some urban-dead-like contact list.<br /> <br /> Of course, ideally (but absurdly) the most useful stat to be able to see would be the number of kills of people without human kills at the moment of their death, but... -- Leaf<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> <br /> === Forest Fire ===<br /> '''Event''' This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is Grassland or Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds). --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''<br /> :I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:53, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> === The Ghost Elephant ===<br /> '''Event''' Somewhere on the island is an animal that exists purely as a temporary event. The Legendary Ghost Elephant - in reality, an aggressive albino pachyderm of incredible size - is said to roam the island of Shartak. Some Natives revere it, others desire to be recorded as the one who slayed it. Some Outsiders wish to study it, others desire to have it as a trophy. It behaves much like any other elephant on Shartak. However, it has a different label, an unfathomable amount of HP, and deals horrific damage. If you heal the Ghost Elephant with a FAK or Herbs, you receive double XP. And to further serve a challenge, don't place an HP cap on the Ghost Elephant, just give it a starting amount. If possible, a log of all actions performed on the Ghost Elephant should be kept by the server and revealed in the event that it dies. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ''Comments''</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=User_talk:BananaBear&diff=2546 2006-03-12T19:51:02Z

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BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=User_talk:BananaBear&diff=2545 2006-03-12T19:50:40Z

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BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Royal_Expedition&diff=2531 2006-03-12T01:54:46Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Comments */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;1&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; style=&quot;margin-left:0.5em&quot; width=35%<br /> |-<br /> ! bgcolor=&quot;#556655&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; | &lt;font color=#ddeedd size=+1&gt;'''Royal Expedition'''&lt;/font&gt;<br /> |- <br /> ! align=&quot;center&quot; bgcolor=&quot;#BBBBBB&quot; | [[Image:Untitled-1 copy.jpg]]<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> {|-<br /> | '''Abbreviation:'''<br /> | RE<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Group Numbers:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Eight and growing<br /> |-<br /> | '''Leadership:'''<br /> | None yet<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Goals:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Increasing our numbers for now<br /> |-<br /> | '''Recruitment policy:'''<br /> | Just add your name to the list for now<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> When Clans are implemented we'll be there.<br /> &lt;br&gt;The RE will be a group of all outsiders of all class.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Whether you're from York, Derby, or Durham, doesn't matter.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Positions? Not a problem yet.<br /> &lt;br&gt;We're ironing out the details right now<br /> <br /> If you're interested in joining then just add your name below.<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=547 Urban Me]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=447 Otis the Red]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=713 Grigoriy]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=878 Gandhi]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=771 Less Than Lethal]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1079 domokun]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=191 Ownslaught]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1223 Provisional Recruit-M Tek]<br /> == Comments ==<br /> <br /> :not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> :::Awesome, I look forawrds to meeting you. There's another guy cutting the path ahead, im currently binging on bananas after an unfortunate boar incident... [[User:DavidClements 03|DavidClements 03]]<br /> ::::Not to rain on your parades, but you ''do'' know that foilage grows back, right?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:22, 12 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::::Oh man, I totally had no clue, oh.. oh man.. I'm so disillusioned. PSIKE! the jungle may grow back, but who found a sweet mango tree off the new road? -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 01:54, 12 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> == News ==<br /> === 12 March 2006 ===<br /> New member, Provisional Recruit-M Tek<br /> === 6 March 2006 ===<br /> New member, Ownslaught <br /> === 3 March 2006 === <br /> New member, domokun!<br /> <br /> [[Category:Clans]]<br /> [[Category:Clans_for_Outsiders]]</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Clans&diff=2525 2006-03-12T00:37:10Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=10 align=right<br /> | __TOC__<br /> |}<br /> <br /> Options for clan implementation - please discuss and/or vote.<br /> <br /> To vote for one of the ideas, simply add &lt;nowiki&gt;#*# ~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; to the Votes line. To make a comment on an idea, add it to the discussion section. To add another idea, stick it at the end of the list.<br /> <br /> # Clans could be a free text field and to join a clan you simply enter the correct text into the box in your profile.<br /> #* Leadership to be decided internally amongst the clan members.<br /> #* Votes: <br /> #*# [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]<br /> # Make a skill that must be acquired before you can setup a new clan e.g. '''Clan Leadership'''<br /> #* Anyone without the skill will be presented with a drop-down list of existing clans that they can join.<br /> #* Anyone with the skill can either join an existing clan (just as a member) or can start a new clan.<br /> #* Clan leader can exclude characters from the clan (or remove the exclusion)<br /> #* Votes:<br /> #*# [[User:Simon|Simon]]<br /> #*# [[User:Lint|Lint]]<br /> #*# [[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]<br /> #*# [[User:Danheretic|danheretic]] 20:35, 18 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> #*# [[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 20:47, 25 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> #*# [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 11:34, 9 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> #*# [[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 00:37, 12 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> # Anyone can create a new clan similar to option 1.<br /> #* First member automatically gains leadership status<br /> #* There would be specific options available to the clan leader such as exclusions, as per option 2.<br /> #* Votes:<br /> #*# [[User:Bungalow Bill|Bungalow Bill]]<br /> # Clans to be based on a system similar to Flickr groups.<br /> #* Anyone can create a clan. There are three types: Open (anyone can join), Invite (you must be invited to join) and Apply (you can request membership). <br /> #*The type of clan is chosen by the person who sets it up.<br /> #* The person who sets up the group is leader and has admin rights (expulsion etc) but can also grant these to other clan members. <br /> #* Votes:<br /> #*# [[User:Condi|Condi]]<br /> <br /> ==Further Discussion==<br /> ===Option 1===<br /> *The free text field is probably the easiest clan method to design and use (it's incredibly straight-forward). But in my experience with Urban Dead, there are people joining that you don't necessarily want in your clan. And there are supposedly people claiming to be in a clan and doing unclanly things. Still the simplicity of the design makes it appealing. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> ===Option 2===<br /> *The skill option sounds like a nice alternative because it establishes someone that is experienced with the game as a leader and someone their recruits can rely on for guidance. Alternatively, you could present the ability to create a clan as a semi-rare item or a quest prize. This method would put a sizeable limit to the amount of clans (as not everyone is initially capable of making a clan) to possibly make it more manageable for the server. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> *Continually expelling people may become a burden for the leader - there should be an option to make a clan unlisted from the menu. In order for an unlisted clan to grow, invites would be issued out by viewing the profile pages of others and clicking a 'Invite' button. And I guess, ultimately continually expelling invites may be a burden on a player - there should be an option to unlist themselves if they prefer being alone. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** Rather than unlisting yourself from receiving invites, the invites could just be on a separate page linked from your profile and if you chose to ignore them then that's up to you. Doing it this way I could add a 'decline all' button to click once in a while. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:51, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> * An issue with Urban Dead skills &amp; XP is that once you've bought all the skills available, there's not much to strive for. I'm all for semi-&quot;fluff&quot; skills which would be purchased by those with a serious interest in RP within the game, and this seems like a candidate for that type of skill, since it doesn't confer an in-game bonus. --[[User:Danheretic|danheretic]] 20:38, 18 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> *I misread the details of option 2 and thought it required _members_ to have a pre-requisite skill (not just leaders). On that note, however, would people be interested in being able to set pre-requisites for clan membership (Outsiders only, Warriors and Soldiers, anyone with the Triage skill, only level 10 and above, etc.)? It would cut down on having to expel members by filtering applicants - some clans could be open to all, but others could be sufficiently restricitve that it would attract only certain players. --[[User:anothertwilight|anothertwilight]] 20:38, 18 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> * Invites could be initiated by either the clan leader or the player, and the invites could go away after a certain period of time, so a player/leader can choose how to handle it and not worry about a collection of endless invites piling up. Accepting a member could take a low amount of XP from the leader, simulating that larger groups require more experience to manage (and giving us something to, eventually, spend all our excess XP on). Take a small amount from the person being invited if you want to discourage abuse of the system (possibly more necessary since this is becoming a somewhat complex, and therefore more compute-intensive, procedure). And to add to Simon's programming tasks, clans could also come in a couple other styles set by the clan leader - either a member is free to leave at any time or a member can only be expelled by the leader. This simulates some groups which are rather difficult to leave, such as ones that require tattoos over most of your body or other permanent characteristics that others will notice. Will there be any benefits to being in a clan, or is it solely for rp? --frisco<br /> *The ability to start clans should be open only to players above a certain level, like Headshot in UD, but not as high as level 10. I think this would mainly serve to curb the number of clans being formed. Another way to work this would be to only recognize clans with membership above a certain number, such as 5 active players.--[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 23:44, 8 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ----<br /> <br /> ===Option 3===<br /> *If you don't like any of the public clans or want to start one with a bunch of friends that just started, you're kind of stuck in option 2. This third option takes the best of both worlds - straight-forward and ingame leadership. I see a downside in how all the &quot;good&quot; clan names are easily taken and held by semi-active players. I've played a game where this method was used to establish temporary parties, but the disposable nature conflicts with my beliefs as to what a clan should be. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:17, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> *This method definitely works in some games, possibly with the addition of a level restriction on making a clan. Obviously, that wouldn't want to be too high, especially if it's implemented for joining clans: that would be one of the best ways for a newbie (like me!) to learn the game and get help... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:17, 17 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ----<br /> <br /> ===Option 4===<br /> *As someone that has experienced creating and maintaining a flickr group, I don't see how the process is any different from what is described in option 3. To avoid confusion, perhaps we should merge the votes of option 4 and option 3? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:32, 23 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> ==Questions==<br /> *Do clans consist of Natives and Outsiders? Or only one type?<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Doesn't matter as far as coding is concerned. It would make sense to only have one or the other in a clan, except that you could recruit 'spies' from the other type.<br /> *Would it prove too much of a burden on the server if we were able to view an automatically generated clan roster repeatedly through the day?<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Perhaps when we reach Urban Dead numbers of players. If it's too much, I could always generate static copies a couple of times daily.<br /> *Will alliances and enemies be something that we can manage ingame, or is that better suited for the wiki?<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Probably better suited to the wiki.<br /> *Would it be possible to assign titles / ranks to members, or is this something else that should be maintained on the wiki?<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: I might be persuaded to add titles or ranks in-game. It would probably make sense to have them there since I don't know that everyone uses the wiki.<br /> *Would it be possible to assign leadership powers (accept, expel) to members that are not the leader? The benefits of this would enable a clan to continue to live if a leader is not active for a length of time. (Of course, they may be better off making another clan if it is for a large amount of time.)<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: This has been thought of although not documented here. I should be able to add some kind of joint leadership system if required.<br /> *Will there be a limit to the clan size? (I.E. a minimum size to be recognized) --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 22:59, 16 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ** [[User:Simon|Simon]]: Umm, how about a size of 2. A leader and a follower.<br /> ==Comments==<br /> *Roleplaying point only - I can see the name 'clan' for Natives. Could we not go with 'Guild' or something for Outsiders? Dunno if this even has any bearing on the above discussion. --[[User:Meatiershower|Meatiershower]] 04:36, 19 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> *[[User:Condi|Condi]] Suggestion: Either...<br /> **Joining a clan is purely a RP activity OR<br /> **Perhaps you could designate a 'clan area' of the map (perhaps 10x10 squares where an XP gained are doubled. This would create a home base for the clan. Perhaps the clan could have naming rights over the squares too)<br /> *Um... isn't the whole point of a clan to organize players? They serve more then just a RP purpose. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 00:41, 26 February 2006 (GMT)</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Royal_Expedition&diff=2515 2006-03-11T22:34:23Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;1&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; style=&quot;margin-left:0.5em&quot; width=35%<br /> |-<br /> ! bgcolor=&quot;#556655&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; | &lt;font color=#ddeedd size=+1&gt;'''Royal Expedition'''&lt;/font&gt;<br /> |- <br /> ! align=&quot;center&quot; bgcolor=&quot;#BBBBBB&quot; | [[Image:Untitled-1 copy.jpg]]<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> {|-<br /> | '''Abbreviation:'''<br /> | RE<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Group Numbers:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Eight and growing<br /> |-<br /> | '''Leadership:'''<br /> | None yet<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Goals:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Increasing our numbers for now<br /> |-<br /> | '''Recruitment policy:'''<br /> | Just add your name to the list for now<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> When Clans are implemented we'll be there.<br /> &lt;br&gt;The RE will be a group of all outsiders of all class.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Whether you're from York, Derby, or Durham, doesn't matter.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Positions? Not a problem yet.<br /> &lt;br&gt;We're ironing out the details right now<br /> <br /> If you're interested in joining then just add your name below.<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=547 Urban Me]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=447 Otis the Red]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=713 Grigoriy]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=878 Gandhi]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=771 Less Than Lethal]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1079 domokun]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=191 Ownslaught]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1223 Provisional Recruit-M Tek]<br /> == Comments ==<br /> <br /> :not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::Awesome, I look forawrds to meeting you. There's another guy cutting the path ahead, im currently binging on bananas after an unfortunate boar incident...<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> == News ==<br /> === 6 March 2006 ===<br /> New member, Ownslaught <br /> === 3 March 2006 === <br /> New member, domokun!<br /> <br /> [[Category:Clans]]<br /> [[Category:Clans_for_Outsiders]]</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Royal_Expedition&diff=2514 2006-03-11T22:33:44Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;1&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; style=&quot;margin-left:0.5em&quot; width=35%<br /> |-<br /> ! bgcolor=&quot;#556655&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; | &lt;font color=#ddeedd size=+1&gt;'''Royal Expedition'''&lt;/font&gt;<br /> |- <br /> ! align=&quot;center&quot; bgcolor=&quot;#BBBBBB&quot; | [[Image:Untitled-1 copy.jpg]]<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> {|-<br /> | '''Abbreviation:'''<br /> | RE<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Group Numbers:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Eight and growing<br /> |-<br /> | '''Leadership:'''<br /> | None yet<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Goals:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Increasing our numbers for now<br /> |-<br /> | '''Recruitment policy:'''<br /> | Just add your name to the list for now<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> When Clans are implemented we'll be there.<br /> &lt;br&gt;The RE will be a group of all outsiders of all class.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Whether you're from York, Derby, or Durham, doesn't matter.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Positions? Not a problem yet.<br /> &lt;br&gt;We're ironing out the details right now<br /> <br /> If you're interested in joining then just add your name below.<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=547 Urban Me]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=447 Otis the Red]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=713 Grigoriy]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=878 Gandhi]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=771 Less Than Lethal]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1079 domokun]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=191 Ownslaught]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> Ensign[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1223 M Tek]<br /> == Comments ==<br /> <br /> :not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::Awesome, I look forawrds to meeting you. There's another guy cutting the path ahead, im currently binging on bananas after an unfortunate boar incident...<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> == News ==<br /> === 6 March 2006 ===<br /> New member, Ownslaught <br /> === 3 March 2006 === <br /> New member, domokun!<br /> <br /> [[Category:Clans]]<br /> [[Category:Clans_for_Outsiders]]</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=User:BananaBear&diff=2494 2006-03-11T05:35:33Z

<p>BananaBear: </p> <hr /> <div>i like urbun dead., i havf tow charecters. a naive and asettler. i will move north and south.</div>

BananaBear https://wiki.shartak.com/index.php?title=Royal_Expedition&diff=2493 2006-03-11T04:00:50Z

<p>BananaBear: /* Comments */</p> <hr /> <div>{| cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; border=&quot;1&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; style=&quot;margin-left:0.5em&quot; width=35%<br /> |-<br /> ! bgcolor=&quot;#556655&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; | &lt;font color=#ddeedd size=+1&gt;'''Royal Expedition'''&lt;/font&gt;<br /> |- <br /> ! align=&quot;center&quot; bgcolor=&quot;#BBBBBB&quot; | [[Image:Untitled-1 copy.jpg]]<br /> |-<br /> |<br /> {|-<br /> | '''Abbreviation:'''<br /> | RE<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Group Numbers:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Eight and growing<br /> |-<br /> | '''Leadership:'''<br /> | None yet<br /> |-<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | '''Goals:'''<br /> | bgcolor=&quot;#eeeeee&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; | Increasing our numbers for now<br /> |-<br /> | '''Recruitment policy:'''<br /> | Just add your name to the list for now<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> When Clans are implemented we'll be there.<br /> &lt;br&gt;The RE will be a group of all outsiders of all class.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Whether you're from York, Derby, or Durham, doesn't matter.<br /> &lt;br&gt;Positions? Not a problem yet.<br /> &lt;br&gt;We're ironing out the details right now<br /> <br /> If you're interested in joining then just add your name below.<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=547 Urban Me]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=647 Morgan Freelance]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=447 Otis the Red]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=713 Grigoriy]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=878 Gandhi]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=771 Less Than Lethal]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1079 domokun]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=191 Ownslaught]<br /> <br /> == Comments ==<br /> <br /> :not sure if this is the best place for it, but ... have you noticed that on the main page, the title graphic has a map behind the word 'Shartak' and that where the 'S' most closely appraches the 'h' the bend obscures what appears to be an island. While the details of clan membership and structure are still being hammered out, it strikes me that investigating said island seems to fit the 'Expedition' part of RE. It may even prove a useful area to base a clan. I am going to strike out to see what I can find. Starting in Durham (which I think is somewhere on the east-pointing spit of land beneath the 'S') I am heading NE until I pick up the coast. -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 12:49, 22 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> :: I have made it to the island and am moving around the coastline before exploring the interior. If I find no sign of any other Outsiders I will cut an 'RE' into the jungle closest to the 'mainland' shore -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]] 09:42, 26 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> ::: Island mapped (details added to the [http://www.blackant.net/other/shartak/ Shartak MetaMap] project. I am abandoning my original plan to blaze 'RE' into the jungle and will probably simply continue to try and expand the general map -- Morgan Freelance aka [[User:Anothertwilight|Anothertwilight]]<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> :If anyone's in the Derby area, I'm currently forging a road north, if anyone wants to lend a hand. I figure it'll be useful to have paths through the jungle, especially for those of us as prone to getting lost as I am... --Less Than Lethal<br /> ::I'm in the Derby armory, I'm up for helping build a road, its more useful than just killing random jungle like I was doing, my names M Tek. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:00, 11 March 2006 (GMT)<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> I'm working on clearing up most of the map. I'll try to post it as soon as possible. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:08, 27 February 2006 (GMT)<br /> <br /> == News ==<br /> === 6 March 2006 ===<br /> New member, Ownslaught <br /> === 3 March 2006 === <br /> New member, domokun!<br /> <br /> [[Category:Clans]]<br /> [[Category:Clans_for_Outsiders]]</div>

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