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2008-03-09T18:08:00Z

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==Skills==

===Planting/agriculture===
Both outsiders and natives with this skill should be able to plant trees (mango, banana) on fertile land. By clearing away jungle, and applying an example of the fruit of the tree you wish to plant, you could sow the seed. A tree of that type would then sprout X days later. This would open up for plantation, and help feed the villages/settlements. --[[User:DKChannelboredom|DKChannelboredom]] (2 March)

''Comments''
:Interesting idea, perhaps only a chance that a tree will grow, and to ensure a tree grows you have to plant a certain number of fruit of the same kind on the same block. Of course, does this mean that existing trees should occasionally die off, say if they get surrounded by 8 blocks of highest density jungle and the tree block is also highest density jungle.. maybe explained as something to do with lack of sunlight reaching the tree because of the amount of jungle around it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 09:47, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
::Why not treat existing trees and planted trees separately? My initial thought is that if I did not have this skill, I would still like the opportunity to gather resources from a dependable source. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
:::There is now an extensive farm north of York, which makes me thing that players would like to engage in some sort of agricultural production. Rather than limit it to mangoes and bananas, why not have other tropical fruits (pineapples, guavas and pawpaws) and even outsider staples like potatoes and spinach? - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]
::::Just for the lulz, it should be allowed to plant bushes or trees which only grows poisonous fruits, one for natives and one for outsiders, unidentifiable without native/outsider knowledge respectively. Otherwise, to add a little twist, maybe for plants with real poisonous parts (potatoes anyone) might confuse the other faction (here: natives) and trick them into harvesting those unless they have outsider knowledge. --[[User:Baliame|Baliame]] 15:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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=== Religious Devotion ===
Required to use "Holy Scriptures" --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
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=== Jungle Skills ===
The jungle environment has great potential to add significant dynamic to this game. These could be a set of skills to reflect this.
: Jungle Lore: Player has x% chance of discovering item/artifact. Might work in conjunction with search skill.
: Make/Detect Traps: Spikes, Pits etc... Not sure this is possible and what would be need to time degrade this.[[User:Nankilstlas|Nankilstlas]]
: Some kind of "hiding" skill where you can spend AP to conceal yourself in fauna, so you can't be seen by passersby. Visually, it could take the form of "reforesting" a block to dark green, and someone who chops through would "uncover" you, perhaps getting some XP? --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:34, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:: A 'trapping' skill looks like it would be exploited by greifers (surrounding someone with traps, for example), but I like the 'Hiding' and 'Jungle Lore' ideas.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:26, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
:: The hiding skill shouldn't conceal you from animals or someone with the Sixth Sense, Exploration, or Jungle Lore skills, otherwise the player would be invincible.--[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 21:15, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
:::Agreed, hostile animals should be able to sniff out hidden players, and Sixth Sense makes sense as well. Hidden players have to remain motionless to stay hidden, using items, searching, etc, would "unhide" the person. I was also thinking how the "reforesting" aspect could be abused to create vast areas that needed to be chopped down, so maybe a player could only hide in an already dark green area, (getting a message like ''there is not enough foliage to suitable hide in'' when trying in a cleared area) limiting its effect somewhat, and creating a little extra tension when on the run from someone and trying to find an overgrown area to hide in. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 22:37, 27 February 2006 (GMT)
:::: I like the hiding skill, maybe with different AP required depending on jungle density. Also, first hidden could make you invisible from 2 squares away, while hiding further would hide you from any adjacent square, and a third hide would keep you hidden on the same square unless they chopped. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 3/29/06
::::like the hiding thing as well, maybe it could work in that if you use it then you are only visible if they are in the same square as you? it would certainly keep you quite hidden anyway. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]] 15:42, 28 March 2006 (BST)
:i think jungle skills could be great as class specific skills, so that only some of the classes can use them like perhaps explorers. Or maybe they could made to favor native classes (due their affinity for the land and what not) more so than the outsiders, thus making gameplay more interesting.--[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 04:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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=== Skinning ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill addition|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This is a skill that does not have a pre-requisite. Upon coming across an area where a dead animal is present, the player is given an opportunity to skin the animal. The process of skinning costs 1 AP and has a chance of producing items such as '''Animal Hide''' or '''Animal Tooth''' or '''Animal Feathers'''. These items can be traded to an NPC found in villages and exchanged for Gold Coins. This skill should be available to all classes to grant them all with an equal opportunity of earning Gold.
* Extend skinning to killed players? No, that's just wrong. We are civilized.
* Make skinning have a pre-requisite of '''Exploration'''? Perhaps.
* Make skinning always produce an item, rather than chance? No, I like a good challenge.
* Perhaps it could be tied to the Meat suggestion? Possibly.|
suggest_time=21:48, 23 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

* Good idea, perhaps natives don't have a pre-requisite, but outsiders need exploration? *cough* --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 02:12, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
** While that may be a more realistic way to handle it - since natives would conceivably be more experienced with such matters - I think that changing the skill tree for such a minor skill would upset the general sense of game balance between the two sides. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:43, 26 February 2006 (GMT)
***See the Meat and Pelts discussion in Skills. -[[FirstAmongstDaves]]

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=== Animal Spirit ===
(native only) Upon gaining this skill, an animal type is associated with the player. Any attacks by the player on that animal result in negative xp, but the animal is less likely to attack the player. Additionally, if the player dons the skin of the animal (perhaps via the Skinning skill) then a bonus is given to the player, such as faster movement, hit bonus, damage bonus. Bonus could be dependant on animal. Upon player death, there is a chance the player's animal spirit will change. --frisco

''Comments''
*Suggestions like this usually make me cringe. Can't really explain why. Could you elaborate, though, on the bonuses gained?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 17:06, 3 May 2006 (BST)
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=== Build Training ===
(Outsiders only) They gain the ability to build walls around the outsider settlements. There would be different levels like reinforced, light, massive, etc. Whoever can attack them and destroy them. Maybe there would be a skill for building gates? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:33, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Natives should be able to make walls too - think King Kong, plus if there are native ruins on this island, then they must still have some decent construction knowledge lingering around. However, Outsiders should have an "Advanced" skill that allows for stronger walls. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:Yes, any human should be able to build, and they should ONLY be able to build in certain areas, so as not to have some group lay claim to a section of the island with key resources (assuming there are some). Also, it should take a LOT of AP. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
* If this is implemented, would there be holes/platforms to fire from? If so, there would need to be an alteration in rifles and blowguns, as those can be fired from said platforms, or they can be fired at defenders on said platforms. Initially, at least, it would be probably be best if the stockades acted like UD barricades. Those inside can't fire without going outside, but are safe until those outside break down the barricades. --[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 12:41, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
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=== Build - BOATS ===
'''''A large sandy expanse of beach with so much driftwood scattered around that you could probably build a boat from it if you had the right tools.''''' so basically this patch of beach screams out "search for driftwood and build a boat", so that is what i hhave been doing but i do not have the tools to build a boat or the skill to do so. so yeah.

we need new skills. and pirates need boats for safe travel. i'm not saying a boat as big as the wreck. maybe a canoe, rowboat, or something that would take up a lot of inventory slots.--[[User:Badhammer|Badhammer]] 02:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

=== Trap Laying ===
(Native only) They can place one time use traps that dmg outsiders only. This skill can only be used in the jungle. Maybe a skill to be able to detect traps? --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 03:36, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Again i'm thinking Outsiders could make traps too - some of them must have been hunters in the Old Country - but perhaps an Advanced skill for natives, leading to higher success rate, since they are more used to the environment. This skill seems dangerous, though, possibly leading to clans just laying traps in every single square of jungle, making it ridiculous for the other side. Perhaps a trap can only be made in certain jungle types, and only lasts until the jungle changes in level (either growing up naturally or down by the same character type chopping it). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:53, 1 March 2006 (GMT)
:This was already proposed in the "jungle skills" section. I agree, it seem too easy to abuse by griefers.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:18, 2 March 2006 (GMT)
::It would be harder to abuse if it takes something like 50 AP to put down a trap. If you think about it, making traps large enough to hurt humans will take a long time. Since there aren't readymade bear traps these traps would have to be DIY traps made of the enviroment.
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===Comment Cartography===
Applies to Natives & Outsiders, most likely best applied only to the classes, scouts & explorers. I am thinking that it would be great to get more out of the map. This skill would allow those who have it to be able to add a limited number of short comments to their maps. These comments could work as references so as to be able to use the map to help find points of interest at some other time. I could see this probably difficult to implement, but perhaps it could work in that one could click in a quadrant on the map which would reload the page and allow you to add a text comment / description to a form. This text comment on a save would place a reference number on that quadrant of the map and the text would be listed to the right or below the map with accompanying reference number. -- [[User: fitzcarraldo|fitzcarraldo]]|[[User talk:fitzcarraldo|T]] 17:05, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
*This is a great idea, I am not an explorer/scout but I am all for class-specific skills, that are in character, because as of right now there aren't too many differences(which I'm guessing will change.-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]]00:37, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

*I think this is a great idea too, and very much the way a real cartogragher would operate, making small notations as they explored and surveyed.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:49, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

*I've been spoiled by the GPS and haven't really found myself lost enough to need this skill. However, with the random revival change I can imagine that getting lost in the jungle is becoming frequently more common for new players. I had a difficult time accepting the point-and-click location feature. I'm not sure how that could be handled simply. I also considered allowing the player to input X and Y coordinates directly, but that seemed out of character for Natives. One possibility that I settled on was a simple "Add Location" button on map.cgi to document the current location. It would change that map.cgi square to a different color and prompt the player to input a description. Ten location points with unique colors and descriptions will be listed under the map to serve as a key. You could either make this listing a queue (pushing out the oldest entries) or locked at 10 until one of the locations are deleted by the player. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 09:01, 11 May 2006 (BST)

: In a way, this has been implemented through http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Implemented#Locations_List - would others agree? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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=== Revive skill ===
Applies to doctors and shamans, a skill to revive spirits, would require Sixth sense (obviously). It is simple enough premis: a skill that revives dead players similar to the regular shamans instead of requiring them to go to town shamans, the revive players aren't as skilled at the craft so the revived players would have only 80% of there hp when revived by other players. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 00:43, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* Does raise a risk of multi-abuse, but I agree that player shamen should have this ability. Maybe it requires a special powder or item in order to do?--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:49, 10 March 2006 (GMT)
* I am trying to think of some cost right now but can't decide. I do know that the xp gain rate should be comparable to fighting(and healing when there are more players) so players will want to be a revive player. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 01:41, 10 March 2006 (GMT)
*I don't like the idea of Doctors getting the ability to revive the dead, but that's definitely within the rights of a shaman. Sixth Sense as a requirement, and you must be standing in the same area as a spirit. Give either a 100% chance to work and a relatively high AP cost (10?) or a lower chance to work and lower AP cost. Blam. There you go. Player shamans can now do their part.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 28 March 2006 (BST)
*Haven't been around in a bit..... anyways I was just thinking that it seems mighty easy to get levels by "camping" the "enemy" shamen and getting hordes of xp and tonnes of native/outsider kills this seems like an exploit of the current system of revives. If a player aided revive method is put into place the main shamans should be removed, or you can only be revived by your home shaman by the call shaman(or whatever it is called) button to prevent this xp farming. I thought of this because my level 3 pirate has got all his xp from doing this and it is mighty easy and with the Ubermap and stuff it is even easyer to do, though pirates will need a way to get revived by there own.....lol I just realized I put doctor instead of scientist doctor=scientist - [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Polymorph===
Requires Animal Spirit. Allows character to take the form of an animal. Perhaps one skill per animal, and each transform requires the use of an (AP expensive) animal mask. Upon transforming, people around you cannot tell it is you. If you die as an animal, you turn back to human, having lost half the HP the animal lost. To allow polymorph for outsiders, maybe a skill like "Ancient Reading" with the presumption that this allows them to read the right glyphs in the ruins would give them the ability to learn this skill. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 03:52, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* I like the idea of having some kind of weird supernatural kind of skill for the natives... But, I think that if you get killed while in animal form, you should be dead and have to seek the assistance of a shaman. Because all the natives would do when logging out is morph into an elephant. That's a boat load of HP for someone to whittle down and kill, only to have the human pop out and have to be hacked away at. Granted, nobody will KNOW outright that the person has assumed the guise of an animal. Would you propose that if someone "kills" the animal form they get the XP bonus of killing an animal? -- [[User:Schmeckel|Schmeckel]] 06:09, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
*Special masks that turn you into animals? They'd need to be quite hard to make, maybe special wood from a certain type of tree, a bit of the animal and something to stick it together. It'd have to be harder to get the ones for better animals. [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:19, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
How about each time you die as an animal, there's a chance of your animal mask breaking? --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 09:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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===Will o' the Wisp===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill addition|
suggest_scope=Spirits (all classes)|
suggest_description=Will o' the Wisp (can't think of another name) is a potentially simple skill to give a little more incentive to play as a spirit for a bit. It is a sub-skill of '''Ghostly whisper'''. If a player possesses this skill, then as a spirit they will have an option to "Wisp" for 30 AP. Wisping operates on a similar mechanic as the Flare guns and Feeding groans in Urban Dead. Any players posessing '''Sixth Sense''' within a 5x5 range of the spirit will be informed: ''A faint flicker of light catches your eye (x blocks east/west), (y blocks north/south). (timestamp)''.

This skill also has the potential to stack. More spirits on the same square will produce a brighter effect. Possibly in base 5. Ranging from faint flicker, slight illumination, to brilliant flash.

Fixes that I made last minute: reduced the Wisp range and upped the Wisp cost in an attempt to reduce spamming, also making Sixth Sense a prerequisite for recognizing Wisps as it would otherwise nerf the skill to a degree.|
suggest_time=07:53, 25 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

* I like it. The AP cost might be a bit on the high side, but there may be other alternatives to reduce spamming. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:44, 25 March 2006 (GMT)
* What's the point of it? Or is there something I'm missing? I mean, is it just to light up for kicks? Wll o' the Wisps in folklore always attempted to lead travellers into dangerous parts of bogs, where they would find their doom. Since that isn't really an option (and since people, noticing this, would just stop paying attention to them), is there any practical use for this? Still neat, if there isn't, but better if there is.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:25, 28 March 2006 (BST)
** As a Shaman with Sixth Sense, I've only come across 1 spirit. I sought a means to encourage the realm of the living and the dead to interact more. It is admitedly mostly aimed towards flavor and roleplaying than mechanics. The most practical application would be to attract people to revive points (in the possibility that they are created). In retrospect, I now see that this suggestion overlaps with the '''Haunting Scream''' description to a fair degree. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:33, 28 March 2006 (BST)
::* Does it overlap? I haven't seen a Haunting Scream in action, yet. I'm all for flavor and RP skills, I just doubt that people woud bother with them too often without some mechanical benefit, which would be a shame. I'll admit, though, that I hadn't thought of attracting shamans to get yourself revived.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:48, 29 March 2006 (BST)

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===Construction===
construction points, would be implemented and would act like exp, but players earn it by setting up camp, ex: 5exp everytime a player sets up his/her cabin, costs 10ap to set up, to keep from spamming and getting free exp.
*'''construction'''allow players to build 1(one) single hut per GAME that is collapsable, non collapsable, players out in the jungle would have to cut down the jungle to re-construct the hut
this would give players a reason to stay out in the jungle,

simply what it says, first off, we could/should have different buildings because i find it annoying to have to look around at the same picture not knowing where the trading post is. im implying that new icons be put in for huts, like the pirate ship, have different pictures, ex:
there is an armory hut, it's icon would be a hut with a silver tip/ sword on the roof
and etc...

SKILLS:
*'''hut maitenance'''
can change hut 1(one) time into another kind of hut ex: armory hut, extra chance of finding wpns etc
**'''cupboard''' accesible inventory in hut that players can "lock" and recieve a "key" item, other players could break open the "lock" for x amount of AP
*'''bed''' players in hut are shown the "get into bed" option which heals 2 hp every hour they arent logged in
**'''fluffy bed''' heals and extra 1-2 hp
*'''running water'''
if the hut is within x amount of squares to water, they can refill gourds and bottles (i think someone suggested we keep empty bottles, this would require that to be implemented)
*'''fire-pit''' players can cook meat (as suggested, only used if implemented)
*'''craftmanship'''players can see the hut's creator, ex: Richard's Hut, if skill isnt aquired, players see the hut as "dishevelled hut" or "ragged hut" etc.
*'''hut upgrade 1''' hut is given one extra ring of squares
**'''hut upgrade 2''' hut is given extra floor
***'''hut upgrade 3''' hut second floor is enlarged, door locks are given
****'''hut upgrade 4''' hut is given a basement

the use of hut upgrades is to help people hide, when upgrade 3 is given, and locks are attained, players can "lock" their houses up, requiring a devastating amount of AP to open, suggesting around 60-70 AP

*'''house trap 1''' spike trap, inflicts 1 wound
**'''house trap 2''' heavy spike trap, 1 wound and 3 dmg
*'''house trap 3''' blast trap, 7 hp
**'''house trap 4''' heavy blast trap 14 hp

traps are triggered upon breaking into a house, players can attain a new skill:
*'''lockpick''' breaking in only costs 30 AP
with this skill, traps are disabled

*'''animal cage'''
if animal trapping were implemented, then this would keep them from running away when u died,
**'''animal care''' animal care section of the house, determining your pet's status ex:
Richard clicks the button "give pet food" mr whiskers smiles and gobbles it up. it could also just be flavor text, and a way to get rid of meat.
*'''attack animal'''
player buys skill animal now acts like trap, player types in names of people allowed to be in house, anyone not on the list is attacked by animal, animal is treated as "wild" to intruders, as per, it will follow them several blocks away from the house before returning, and can be killed, but is also agressive no matter what breed. ex: mr.parrot attack john doe for 2 dammage and returns home.
**'''rabidity''' animal is now "rabid" and has a 20% chance of "infecting" (wound) the intruding player

other tidings can be added, ex:
*'''taxidermy''' players can pick up dead bodies and mount them in their house ex:
in the second story of richard's hut is a grey elephant head, mounted on oak

my finale,
*'''garden''' allows players to plant a tree/ bush 1 square away from their house, planting requires, 5 of the said fruit and the plants disappear when the hut is packed up, players also have the ability to "kill" the plant and re-grow a different one.
**'''green thumb''' allows players to garden for only 3 fruits
**'''verdant thumb''' allows players to change to growths around their house, ex: a house surrounded by dirt can be changed to light undergrouwth or heavy forest
**'''spade''' allows player to dig a "cellar" 1-3 squares away from house to "hide" or store items.
skill also allows players to loacte any tunnels within 5X5 of the checked area. players can only check within a 3X3 area around the house

house experience does not raise everytime a skill is bought, but the price is set at 100-200 (your choice)

"comments Below"

Sounds like it would be a good idea if the island was bigger but otherwise a 3x3 would be gigantic if everyone had one--[[User:Slith|Slith]] 21:40, 29 March 2006 (BST)
*not really, but the huts are still the same single square size on the outside, it is the inside that changes. --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]

I think it would be better to implement this skill while implementing clans - i.e. having clan camps. One way to implement this would be to establish camp/ a hut automatically when a certain number of players from a given clan stand on a single square. This would reward organization and prevent individual players from spamming. In addition, I think that having all those additions as skills is unnessacary. I just adds uneeded complexity. Again, clan based operation seems to be the best way to do this.--[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 00:47, 31 March 2006 (BST)

Well, being able to go out into the jungle and making a little camp would be very interesting. With a clan feature you could set up small clan camps as Gandhi said as small towns perhaps. But one way to assure that it's not spammed is one per person not really clan needed. That way someone could have a small home if they wanted and people couldnt spam them but it would encourage clan building to have a variety of buildings. Of course the problem with a limit is dying then beiong far from your home and then a problem with replacing. But if its as an item in inventory when you die maybe that would work? Use to set up on a square. I personally am setting myself up in the jungle in an area clearing paths and what not but theres really not much for me to do. Construction would be wonderfull if a way is found ot properly manage it.--[[User:Dracul|Dracul]]
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===Plunder===
{{suggestion|
suggest_time=07:15, 30 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=So. Pirates have been added, at long last. We all love pirates. They're swarthy, greedy people. Like mobsters, only with eyepatches, bandanas, peg legs, parrots, and the clap. There's something lacking in the pirates on Shartak, though. To get a better idea of this, let's look at the check list.

[x] 1. Pirate ship

[x] 2. Swarthy attitude

[x] 3. Pirate lingo

[x] 4. Murder

[ ] 5. Plunder

Aha! So we've identified the problem: a distinct lack of plunder. For this reason, I've come up with the idea for a plunderin' skill. Now, when you kill some poor sap, you take one coin out of his inventory per level--his level, that is. This keeps it a little balanced, in that you won't be taking away the life savings of some poor little level 1 when you kil him. Unless he happens to have only 1 coin, but that's neither here nor there. Now, of course, if you kill a level 5 who only has 4 coins, you'll only get those 4 coins. If he has 6 coins, however, you'll only get 5 of them.

Is it overpowering pirates to give them this class-restricted skill? Not really. I mean, despite being a combat class, they can't really get any good with rifles. Pretty much all of their kills are made with a cutlass. And what's the real usage of the gold coins? Typically, to buy ammunition. Obviously, the pirates won't be using it on that, as they're terrible shots. They'll just buy themselves some medical supplies, some back-up weapons, and hoard the rest. I can't say I know that many players who hold onto the coins, anyways, though I'm sure there must be some. Still, they generally tend to be spent pretty quickly. Really, I just think that this could lend pirates a little more depth; sure, they're fellow outsiders, but can you trust them? How quickly will they cut your throat for you wallet?

So... Thoughts? Agreement? Death threats?|
suggest_author=[[User:Wifey|Wifey]]|
suggest_comments=

*'''Keep/Change''' (Yarr) I agree that this fits with theme and perhaps rightfully rewards Pirates in that they do not have a Trader NPC at the shipwreck (at least that was the case when I left it several days ago). And I'm glad that this is being presented as a purchasable skill (I believe?) rather than an inherent one. I do generally follow one of the basic tenets of UD - "Don't <del>Tread On Me</del> Mess With My Inventory!" But gold appears to have become fairly plentiful with the Trader NPC; having more gold than your current level is a fairly easy feat and losing gold won't lead to an entirely unpleasant gaming experience. However, I would like a few more mechanics set in place to minimize the avenues to zerging, griefing, and general abuse that this suggestion would open up. The only simple amendment I can think of may be to give '''Plunder''' a percent chance of success. Perhaps allowing for degrees of advanced plundering skills. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:07, 30 March 2006 (BST)
**'''RE:''' A very good point. Very good points from both of you. I had thought of a % chance when I was originally writing the suggestion, but I realized that the nwe'd be dealing with an X% chance to get Y% of the other player's coins, and I thought it might be a little more work on the server than necessary. I thought, perhaps a chence of getting only 1 coin, but that seemed just silly. Perhaps we could limit the pirate to only 1 plunder per day (or maybe a few more, if people feel that 1 is too few)? For example, if you killed John Smith the level 1 Explorer and took 1 coin from him, then killed Mr. Moneybags the level 16 with more coins than you can shake a stick at, you would get no coins from him. If you were to wait a day, though, and kill Mr. Moneybags ''then'', you would get 16 coins--and no more from anyone else for the rest of the day. Additionally, you would not be able ot get money from the same person twice in a row. So if, after killing Mr. Moneybags and taking half of his coins, you killed him the next day, you would get none. You might as well have gone for poor little John Smith. That eliminates griefing, and all it would need to do is keep track of the ID of the last person you killed, checking it the next time you kill someone 24+ hours later..--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:29, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*i agree with both of them, and with you, id love to see this flavor added, and the trader NPC at the pirate camp has yet to be found, so they would have to go to another village to use it. the closest village (where my pirate is) is dalpok, which, is, as you know native. this hostility would mean pirates would REALLY have to work to hoard medical supplies and weapons, thusly this would be well balanced. i also want to discuss the % success rate. as pirates are VERY good at "plundering" the % chance success rate should start at a reasonably high %, such as 50% and above. as putting it any lower would simply be ridiculous. there could be several level ups to raise the % but if there are no advanced levels then i suggest putting the starting % at around 75%. --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]

*'''Plunder''' could be made a search skill (concievably the second skill in the plunder grouping). Rather than having it be merely equivalent to scavenging the plunder skill could only be used in villages (it wouldn't matter if they were native or outsider villages). Scavenging could similarly be changed to a jungle-only skill. Repeatedly plundering a square would deplete it much like chopping down a square of jungle, and squares would replenish over time much the same way. Whether this affects the search odds for other players is open to debate. I'd hate for the pirate class to be burning every other class in the game by plundering all the villages to the point nobody could find a rifle. The odds of finding a broken item should increase while plundering. The more refined the item the greater the chance it would be broken when a pirate plunders it (GPS, first aid kits, rifles, dart guns and any other delicate manufactured items to come being more likely to be broken). It would give people on the island something to do other than filling out the map and hunting game. Since we could then expect groups of pirates moving from village to village it would also increase player interaction (violently or otherwise). Having a wider range of broken items could necessitate a repair skill for players or a similar service that could be provided by a trader adding another level to the game's economy. -[http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=242 Tyler Whitney]

*With the new "stuff breaks/crit hit" along with traders gold has a major use, instead of searching for that cutlass(or machete both break) you can go trade your hard earned gold coins for a weapon, why stop at just coins? pirates could get this skill and should just take away 1 random item (any item) plus a few gold coins, as we all know pirates didn't just take gold they took anything of value. Though level ones should be completly immune to this and the maximum value of the item you take(based on how many gold coins it takes to trade for the item) should be equal to there level, or some other method all I know is items should get stolen along with coins, you can only get killed once (as of right now) before going back to a village so it doesn't do too much, I mean 1 item? even if it was my machete(whom I call Mary) I wouldn't mind, sure my ghost would scream and haunt the bastard who took her away from me that would just add a new level of fun to the game. As a native(with a pirate alt) I support this skill, though it would entail a new top ten richest in the statistics page so the pirates would know who to hunt.... mwahaha -[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 03:09, 4 April 2006 (BST)
**Now there's an interesting idea. Perhaps, though, there should then be a hierarchy of items in the eyes of a pirate? For instance, you take 1 item (which might be a gold coin) and one gold coin on the side. The gold coins on the side would increase with one's level. What would the item be, though? Probably first would be a gem. They're shiny and valuable--a pirate's favorite words (aside from "Arrrr!")! Next? A gold coin. Not enough coins? Probably a cutlass or machete. None of those? Rifle. No? Rifle bullet, then. None of those, either? Probably go with a first aid kit. Ah, but those are out, too? Bottle of water. And so on down the list. Bottle of water -> bottle of rum -> gourd of water/banana/berries -> knife/dagger. I doubt a pirate would bother with a blowgun or darts, nor would he yearn for his enemies' driftwood. Once again, just throwing an idea out, though.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:28, 4 April 2006 (BST)
*** To a Pirate, Rum would be more interesting than Water...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 11:40, 28 May 2006 (BST)
**I think plundering items crosses into making this skill much to powerful. It lessens the need for the Pirate class to spend AP searching. They may lose a cutlass or two choppping another player to bits, but then they earn a machete in the kill and can continue on their way. Gold coins can be argued to be powerful, but the lack of a Trader at the shipwreck means they have to make their way to other Villages in order to spend them. After some further thinking, I feel that there should be a plundering cap of 10 coins regardless of level (otherwise it would be unfair to classes with class-specific skills that make them a higher level than others). And it is random chance after the kill produces no coins or some coins or all coins. If the player doesn't have enough coins, the Pirate plunders what he can and is given extra flavor text to reward them on their evil little victory. "Yo ho ho! You have taken all (Player)'s booty." --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 07:00, 4 April 2006 (BST)

*Plunder sounds nice. How about this formula: a pirate's chance of plundering someone equals 4 times the pirate's level minus 2 times the victim's level and always returns the lesser of half the victim's level in gold (rounded down) or all the victim's gold. In other words, if a level 10 pirate plunders a level 1 scientist with 10 gold, the pirate has a 38% chance of getting 0 gold, and if a level 10 pirate plunders a level 13 warrior with 2 gold, the pirate has a 14% chance of getting 2 gold. This simulates higher level non-pirates being more adept at hiding coin purses on their body, and prevents griefing on newbies. I agree with above comments that plunder should be a one time immediate event upon killing a character, based on a percentage chance, and limited to gold - anything else makes the skill too complex and/or powerful. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:39, 4 April 2006 (BST)
*I wouldn't support this unless pirates could be plundered ''from'', too, which kind of defeats the point. It's not like pirates are a weak class; the shipwreck has a trader now, and they start with 65 HP. I really like being able to count on having a static inventory while I'm logged out, and I think "Yarr, a pirate has killed you and plundered 1 gold coin" would get old very fast. I think it'd be quite cool if pirates were healed by 1 HP more for drinking beer or rum, but taking gold from their kills is too much. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 16:42, 28 May 2006 (BST)
*Yarr and Keep. I say this is a good addition. I believe all the classes should have some skill specific to them. I have a pirate and a scientist, and neither of them have anywhere special go to in terms of skills, thus making the distinction of them being scientists and pirates useless. Especially the scientist... 10 gold coins? What the? --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 10:53, 30 May 2006 (BST)
*Would it damage game balance much to have the pirate gain gold as described, but ''without'' taking gold from the victim? That way we have the benefits of the skill, without the annoyance of losing your gold. And it wouldnt be an easier way to get money than searching in huts, so it shouldnt unbalance the game too much. --Gitboy 17:26, 3 July 2006
*I like the idea of plunder, and given that pirates don’t have class specific skill it would only be fitting to have it as our first. Rather then trying to create overly complicated system for plunder we should just follow in the tradition of final fantasy more specifically making plunder into a 3 level skill much in the vain of steal (a small chance of taking a random item from opponent’s inventory (maybe 5%)) rob (a greater of chance than the above (10%)) and finally mug (the same chance rating as “rob” with the addition of damage if successful(something like 2 or 3).--[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 04:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yarrr, I not be in favor of this one, here. I'll list me reasons why.
#The pirate kills and robs you, stealing the money that would have gone to pay someone to take revenge on him.
#There's no limit on how often (different) pirates can steal from you. You could end up dirt broke AND having to be revived from a shaman every day just because 10 pirates thought you were the guy to steal gold from.
#If it isn't already, being on the list of wealthiest Shartakians will become a death sentence.
#I can understand a pirate killing someone for insulting his mother, but to rob some pauper's pockets? That's not being piratey, that's more like being a common thug.
#Pirates don't go after pennies, they go after great riches. CHESTS of gold and jewels. They plunder the king's vaults or the entire contents of a ship at sea, REAL bounty!
--[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 18:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


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===Diagnosis===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill addition, class-specific|
suggest_scope=Shaman and Scientist|
suggest_description=This is an attempt to create additional variety within the classes. Diagnosis would be a sub-skill of Triage available only to the Shaman and Scientist classes. It behaves much like Triage does, but it would detect Shark Bites and other possible future maladies and status ailments. Shark Bite victims could be identified with an asterisk next to their name. 
I believe that this skill's net benefits will be minimal. It would fit with the theme of the class, while not over-powering them. I also believe that since this is a sub-skill, that there should be additional class-specific skills for Shamans and Scientist.|
suggest_time=18:21, 6 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

* If Triage truly only does reveal one person's HP then the skill tree should be expanded for Advanced Triage as well. Where Advanced Triage would display the HP of everyone in the current area - rather than just the most wounded. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 01:55, 29 April 2006 (BST)
* Corrected usage of Doctor. I hope that this skill can still be considered in-character for Scientists. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:11, 11 May 2006 (BST)

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===Alchemy===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill addition, class-specific|
suggest_scope=Scientists|
suggest_description=Allows Scientists to convert seemingly useless items (such as driftwood) into valuables such as a gold coin. Another possibility is crabs into gems (don't ask). This would, of course, cost about 25 AP per use. This would give Scientists a key role in the game because they would be needed to convert intems.|
suggest_time=23:24, 8 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*While I like the basic idea of this, it should be limited a little. That said, I don't know how one would appropriately limit its use. Perhaps you could turn a bottle of rum into a more refreshing bottle of water? How, precisely, would you envision the implementation of this?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 01:18, 10 April 2006 (BST)
*I like it! It gives us something unique to do as scientists! Would you make it so you turn a specific useless item into a specific useful item, or what?[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:24, 10 April 2006 (BST)
**I imagine that eventually every class will have atleast one unique skill to separate it from the others and give a reason for choosing that class. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 01:30, 11 April 2006 (BST)
*I could accept this if it was presented differently. As it stands, it sort of conflicts with my expectation that the Natives are the more mystically-inclined and the Outsiders are more advanced technologically. I just don't envision men and women of science practicing alchemy. I have no objection to the scientist manufacturing items, but not in this manner. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 03:37, 11 April 2006 (BST)

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===Spirit Substantiation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Sprits (all classes)|
suggest_description=The spirit has learned to partially substantiate its form, becoming more physical, and can now float on the winds to move at double the normal rate (i.e. .5 AP per move), but only in the direction that the wind is blowing. Note that this requires the game element of wind, which can either be a uni-directional constant (e.g. always blows west) or changes over time (perhaps dependant on location?). If wind direction changes, the game's user interface will need a mechanism to display wind direction, either via game.cgi or added to map.html.

This could be the first in a series of new spirit skills. I see the aforementioned Will o' the Wisp being under this tree, as well as another skill to move .3 AP per move but still only in the direction of the wind. Perhaps some poltergeist type skills can be added as well - allow dead pirates to plunder, any spirit to write messages, any spirit to still map out the area, etc, etc.
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suggest_time=16:40, 14 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Frisco|Frisco]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice idea, what would happen to moving against the wind? Would that then require 2AP and 1 AP to move at 90 degrees to the wind direction :) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:33, 14 April 2006 (BST)
** I was thinking of substantiation as being a conceptual (not a user toggle switch, something the game system automatically determines) on/off capability of the ghost, so the ghost could have no form and thus no penalty for moving into the wind, then take form and move with the wind. But that's mostly because i don't like the idea of skills that negatively affect a character. I definitely think wind should adversely affect other things, like pigeons taking longer to deliver if the recipient is upwind. It's all more math for you! --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 17:49, 14 April 2006 (BST)

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===Marksmanship===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill modification and new skill|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses a ranged weapon|
suggest_description=A few problems that I see with regard to rifle use: 1) Non-soldiers' extremely low maximum rifle accuracy making rifles useless to non-soldiers, 2) Loading rifles takes up a tremendous amount of AP since it costs one AP to load one bullet, leading to a very low damage-to-total-AP-spent ratio, 3) A closely related problem to #2 is the fact that people are carrying around 20 or 30 rifles/blowpipes, which is ridiculous and unrealistic, and a by-product of the AP cost to load. I dont know if the following idea for a solution to both of these problems can realisitically be implemented, but here goes: Change the Advanced Rifle Training skill to make loading rifle bullets cost 0 AP (advanced training would thus mean the abiliy to load rifles very easily and quickly, as opposed to untrained people who take much longer. We are in the time period when it took a long time to load rifles after all). Institute a new skill called Marksmanship in the firearms skill tree, which gives +__% rifle accuracy <s>(I would say +30%). Let marksmanship be a skill that can be acquired by anyone, while rifle training and advanced rifle training remain soldier-exlcusive. If Marksmanship gives +30%, it will improve non-soldiers' maximum accuracy from 20% to 50%, knocking out problem #1 above. Soldiers with the entire proposed rifle skill tree would have max accuracy of 70% and would not have to waste an AP to load, knocking out problem #2. Natives would get the same changes for blowpipe
note: It might be better to have two skills, Marksmanship and Expert Marksmaship, each giving +15% accuracy, and possibly make these two a seperate skill tree. If they were in the rifle training tree, they would have to come after the two rifle training skills, but non-soldiers cannot get rifle training, so it would look awkward.</s>

'''NOTE: [[User_talk:Arminius#Proposal_for_new_rifle_skill_tree|Revised proposal and statistical analysis of current vs. proposed damage-to-AP ratios, click here]]'''|
suggest_time=05:34, 13 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

*From a gameplay point of view, i don't see that guns/blowpipes need to be any stronger. It's already possible to take someone out in one go, why the need to kill quicker? The proposed change means with one gun and a full load of bullets, one soldier in one day causes an average of 75 * .7 * 4 = 210 HP damage - that's 2.4 pirates with stamina, or 4.2 beginner shamans. It would make the game a lot less fun to be able to die that much quicker and that much more often. Maybe i wouldn't object as much if these old school guns were also subject to backfiring, causing them to blow up in the owner's hands and resulting in owner HP loss and gun destruction (similar to machete/cutlass blade snapping). By the way, elsewhere there's been debate on the timeperiod of the game since we also have GPS units. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:00, 13 May 2006 (BST)
::You are calculating ''combat'' damage-to-AP ratio, the proposed modification of the advanced rifle training skill would not affect combat-damage-to-AP ratio very much (it would affect it not at all for people with lots of rifles), it would only affect the rifle's currently very low total overall damage-inflicted-to-AP-spent ratio. (With 28 fully-loaded rifles a soldier can already kill two 85-HP pirates in only 56 AP.) The rifle's total-damage-to-AP ratio today is 0.48 by my calculation, the machete's is 1.35. With the proposed changes, the maximum total-damage-to-AP ratio for a rifle-wielding soldier would be 0.7 (still far lower than machete). Non-soldiers max rifle total damage-to-AP ratio would improve from 0.16 (weaker than a level 0 character with a blunt machete) to 0.4. I like your suggestion of rifles possibly blowing up too, Simon should definitely consider that. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 20:28, 13 May 2006 (BST)

*I'm not sure how I feel about the skill yet, but I will correct you, Frisco, in that the GPS unit is not an adequate argument about the game's time period. Simon has already said that he doesn't like the name "GPS Unit" because it is anachronistic, and was considering another one.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 01:03, 14 May 2006 (BST)

* I don't quite see why rebuilding the skill tree is necessary. You could accomplish the same thing by introducing two new skills - one for accuracy which builds upon the existing accuracy skills and one for reloading. Make the first accuracy skill available to all classes (adjusting to 30%), but restrict the secondary accuracy skills to Warriors and Soldiers. But even then, I'm not completely sold on the fact that these skills are necessary. I have no problem with my non-Soldier not depending on a rifle. If I wanted to use a rifle, I can easily make a Soldier character. And while reducing reloading cost might bring rifles and blowpipes more evenly with machetes, increasing the damage or introducing the ranged attack suggestion might solve the problem without providing free lunches. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 02:31, 15 May 2006 (BST)
::Yes of course it's fine to make them new skills. I suggested it in the way I did because learning to load quickly would fall under rifle training I would say, and we already have the two rifle-training skills in the game. One of the accuracy-improving skills would fall under Marskmanship (or marskmanship/expert marksmanship). How they are added to the game is almost immaterial, the point is to let soldiers be able to acquire a skill which gets rid of their need to waste more than half their daily AP loading their 20 rifles, and get rid of the need to carry 20+ rifles in the first place. I dont see how a skill allowing for a 0 AP cost to load is a "free lunch" at all, it just reduces the price of a ridiculously high-priced lunch, i.e. 1 AP to load 1 bullet/dart (plus I feel it improves the realism of the game, in part by eliminating the need to carry around 25 rifles or blowpipes). The point of the Marksmanship skill (available to all) is not to put non-soldiers on the par with soldiers in firearms capability at all, but to make rifles non-worthless to everyone else. Currently non-soldiers are literally far better off ''punching'' enemies than using a rifle when it comes to damage-inflicted-per-AP-spent, which is just ridiculous. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 03:37, 15 May 2006 (BST)
:::I do like the idea of making rifle and blowpipe usage more accessible to other character classes. But I continue to have a difficult time accepting the 0 AP reload cost. Currently there is no action in the game that costs 0 AP besides rejecting a trade, speaking in empty area, healing someone at full health, and dropping an item (all non-actions). Would 0.5 AP would be an acceptable change? But before it is considered, there must be other alternatives before lowering AP cost to make the ranged weapons more balanced. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:27, 27 May 2006 (BST)
::::How about this-- modify advanced rifle training skill so that instead of "Gain another 20% on firearms attacks", it says "lets soldiers load and fire faster" (0.5 AP to load and to fire with that skill), in other words a rifle version of trekking. This would cut down on the excessive AP costs of rifle usage and be an interesting skill to balance rifles rather than another "add 20% accuracy" or something like that. Then two new skills, Marksmanship (+10% accuracy), Expert Marskmanship (+20% accuracy), both of which would be available to all character classes. I would envision the two marskmanship skills as the first two skills in the firearms tree (the only two available to non-soldiers), and then the rifle training skills would come afterwards. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 20:00, 30 May 2006 (BST)
:::::'''UPDATE:''' To see a revised version of my suggestion '''[[User_talk:Arminius#Proposal_for_new_rifle_skill_tree|Click Here]].''' I worked out the current and proposed damage-to-AP ratios, and I invite everyone to take a look. It is far too long and complicated to copy here, so I wrote it up elsewhere. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:44, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:*As discussed elsewhere, ''carrying loaded rifles as backup allows you to lock in the kill bonus'' on a much wider range of (remaining-AP/remaining-victim-HP) situations. Since the '''kill bonus is more than a third of total XP for combat''', this throws the naive XP=damage comparisons way out of whack. Anecdotally at least, my Soldier has clearly done better than my other characters in jungle XP-harvesting, because kill-steals and dying while asleep are so common. So while the Rifle (and especially the Blowpipe) needs help, I think that nearly doubling combat-time damage to 2x 50% 5 damage for 1 AP (5.0) instead of 1x 60% 5 damage (3.0) is not an ideal way to proceed. I support Free Reload or Rapid Reload as a Soldier-Only Skill. I also think that an all-available accuracy upgrade for Rifle/Blowpipe (to at least better than Machete) would be great. For example: Base 20% (+General Accuracy +15%) (+Soldier-only Accuracy +15%) (+Soldier-only Accuracy +15%). Or maybe Base 10% (+General Accuracy +25%) (+Soldier-only Accuracy +25%) (+Soldier-only Rapid Reload), and increase Rifle Bullet base damage to 6. Two shots per AP just seems too big a jump to me; imho implementing true range (firing from adjacent square and/or without provoking return melee attacks) is a better way to proceed. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 03:56, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::*Yes the blowpipe needs help even more than the rifle. That limited-AP poisoning skill, along with these proposed boosts to accuracy, would even things out there. I also like the idea of making ranged weapons truly ranged, but that seems difficult to implement and perhaps impractical (for one thing we cant see the names of people on adjacent squares). If any version of QBerry's "auto attack" is ever implemented for players, though it seems unlikely with so much opposition, the "range" of the ranged weapon could come into play by not allowing a person without ranged weapons/ammo to back. This was discussed on the forums in the "Aggressive Animals" thread. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 06:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)
:*NB about Free Reload: Incidentally, Free Reload obviously solves the "realism problem" by allowing a Soldier to carry only one Rifle and a huge pile of Bullets, with '''no increase''' in Soldier combat-time damage-per-AP (still 3.0 max avg per AP) nor Soldier field-capacity damage-per-inventoryfull (still 72 shots) since 2 Bullets loose take up as much space as a Loaded Rifle. People who think that 0AP reload is imbalancing have been smoking too much of the dried herbs. As for realism of 0AP reload, the Soldier's "1AP to fire" accounts for time necessary to both reload and fire. I can discuss and reject 160 exchanges with the Trader and or attempt to heal a signpost in the same amount of time. The real-time form submission and IP hit creates a perceptible time-increment. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 03:56, 2 June 2006 (BST)

After thinking about this, it seems to me that the best thing to do is as follows: No new skill, instead simply a change in the game mechanics so that all players take 0 AP to "load" by deafult. The AP cost to fire would thereby represent the time to load and fire, as Tycho44 said above. (Load was in quotation marks there because the load button in-game would thus really represent selecting the bullet to use, the actual action of loading would be included in the 1 AP to fire). This would eliminate the 30 rifles problem straight away (and for all character classes), it would ''not'' increase the combat damage-to-AP ratio at all, and it would be an interesting way to increase the damage-to-''total''-AP-spent ratio (which we need) without having to add any new skill. As for the accuracy boosts, those can be worked out later (non-soldiers need a boost in that department we all agree, perhaps soldiers merit a slight one), but 0 AP to "load" is definitely a sound change to make, I see no argument against it. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:11, 3 June 2006 (BST)

The reason why I keep pressing for alternatives is because I never saw this as a solution in other browser-based games. Shouldn't the route be to increase the damage dealt to reduce the impact of the reload cost? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 18:52, 14 June 2006 (BST)

:My earlier arguments notwithstanding, I '''strongly oppose''' universal 0AP reload. A 0AP reload for everyone simply destroys the reloading game mechanism in its entirety, making the 2-bullet chamber of the rifle identical to the 1-dart chamber of the blowpipe identical to the 70-bullet drum of a hypothetical gatling gun. The blowpipe is distinguished by its Poison damage, which can in turn be offset by a Reload Penalty, if we keep that game mechanic. Keeping the reload mechanic enhances the separate-but-equal factions. In my humble and uninformed speculation, tweak up the accuracy on ranged weapons (say 20% base / 35% marksmanship-universal / 50% warrior-only / 65% advanced-warrior-only) and things will work fine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:54, 17 June 2006 (BST)


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===Hut Construction (Simplified) ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, item, action|
suggest_scope=Every player|
suggest_description=This is a bit similar to the Construction suggestion, but much more simplified. I agree that we should be able to set up little camps, to have bases away from bases. I'll explain the flavour aspect after I've explained the mechanics. 
A skill can be purchased called, "Construction", which allows you to erect a hut on land that has been chopped down to 0 density. The hut would have a bit of AP weight to build, say 10ap cost so that full constuction on a 10 dense jungle sq would have a total of 20ap. The hut that you build is at first a regular empty hut. Once you have bought the second skill in the set, "Stock Hut" (or something like that), the hut becomes a mini trade-post, stocking no more than 5 types of items at any one point. The first 5 items are randomized, and then as people trade, they change. Thus, it's a mixed bag of what you could get. These artificially erected huts can be sacked and destroyed. Keep in mind I'm not a coder, so if you know what I'm describing is difficult, but know how to do something similar, please say so. 
Flavour: This gives people the feeling of being able to set up their own little base camp for their own clan, without making a whole new village. The fact that each hut can only stock a small number of items, and also that it can be destoryed, means things don't get out of hand and make the original villages defunct. Each hut can also be plauged with low-demand items like crabs or mangoes, making the idea even for grifers, natives, enemies, outsiders and pirates.|
suggest_time=12:05, 3 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]]|
suggest_comments=

Building a hut could also require a certain number of driftwood pieces. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 12:08, 3 June 2006 (BST)
I was thinking the same idea-Like full inventory of 70 driftwood, if you have a backapack,theres your cargo to trade--[[User:Bloodclott|Bloodclott]] 04:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ability to create minor base camps away from settlements is good (but for what practical purpose?), but the idea that the island would be flooded with "huts" all over, with the same icon and name as huts in settlements, I dont like that. This is supposed to a wild myseterious island, having huts all over would hurt that ambiance I think (Lower-tech base camps of some sort would not hurt it though.) If hut construction is implemented it would have to be very costly to avoid littering the entire map with them that's for sure. The other thing is, We have to be clear about what the purpose of these base camps would be, what practical benfit would they have. Would they have defense value? Could the builder elect to keep people out unless they are members of clan X or unless they are natives or unless they are Derbyites, etc? [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:59, 4 June 2006 (BST)

:I agree wholeheartedly with your points. It is indeed important to make it difficult to build huts. As I mentioned, the huts would have very small capabilities as a trade point, thus making them a tactical advantage in a seige. Allow me to explain; My clan wants to lay seige to Dalpok. We erect a small camp near the village and stock our huts with bullets through trading. Then we load up, attack, come back to our makeshift camp and take the bullets from our huts. As for the wild, mysterious island element, you're right, but is it not normal for humans to tame and civilise the jungle? And vice versa for humans to destroy one another's homes? With this new skill(s) we can simulate seiges and sackings, but still keep our 7 original villages/bases. I don't think you could exclude people from entering your hut. It's the luck of the draw, and if enemies infiltrate, too bad. makes it all the more exciting. I also agree that making a hut should be very costly, but that's up to Simon as to how he'd like to implement such a cost. Finally, the only variation I can see might be to make huts not a mini trade post, but maybe a small storage area of say 15 slots, to keep bullets or med kits from the main towns...? --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 02:30, 4 June 2006 (BST)

:Here are my thoughts on the matter:
:#To encourage clustering of huts (instead of unsightly and unrealistic random scattering), hut-builders should be required to chop the hut's eventual square ''and'' all surrounding squares (that don't have huts on them) to d0. After all, construction requires some space. This would encourage players to build next to existing huts, since every adjacent hut is a square that doesn't need chopping.
:#For realism's sake, driftwood shouldn't be required to build or repair a hut, because it'd be silly to make a player in the middle of a huge jungle travel all the way to the beach to find wood. Jungle wood could be introduced as an item, but I think it's better to require AP alone.
:#Hut health could be managed by giving each new hut 5 HP (Hut Points =)) and removing 1 HP every 24 hours (obliterating any hut that reaches 0 HP). A hut would require 50 AP to construct (in addition to AP for chopping the surrounding jungle) and 10 AP to repair by 1 HP. Repairs wouldn't require cleared jungle; once a hut is built, jungle growth outside doesn't matter.
:#Special features for huts, such as trade and storage abilities, should be put on hold until buildable huts are already in the game. Not only do huts provide shelter from animals, they hide players inside from anyone not willing to spend a few AP to move to the hut and enter it, so additional features shouldn't be necessary to make hut-building worthwhile.
:— [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:52, 4 June 2006 (BST)

A side idea, that probably doesn't deserve a complete new suggestion. It would be interesting to have huts or lean-to shelter structures perhaps providing an extra 0.1 or 0.2 AP per an hour spent after the character has perhaps been idle for an hour or two. It would be something neat, not imbalancing, and wouldn't take away from player interaction with hp regeneration. [[User:Lexus|Lexus]] 01:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)}}

My full "hut" idea was just as some above. A simple lean to that protects you from animals over night.People can still come in and kill you, just not animals.(Why?Because i always die from an animal-rarely am i Pked)
10 pieces of driftwood makes a lean-to. Something simple
NOW- CLAN LEADERS can build "guild houses,or clan houses where items can be found and traded.Items should be on a daily limit of spawning to prevent clan abuse-and once the limit is found, you can trade to the clan trader for what others didnt want that day.
Clan members can then build there lean-to's around and near the Clan House-And no, HELLO-were Settlers, Lets do what we do best-Rape the land of its rescources,convert the locals and build where we see fit--[[User:Bloodclott|Bloodclott]] 04:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

=== Spirit Transfer ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, action|
suggest_scope=Warriors, Shamans|
suggest_description= This suggerstion was inspired by polymorph. Warriors and Shamans can get a new skill that allows them to transfer their spirits into the bodies of a dead animal nearby. Animals won't be able to speak, use items, search, or use any human skills. The player will have the Hp and attack power of the type of animal you possessed. Other players on the map will see you as just another animal, not as a native. Transferring spirits will result in the death of their human form (if it is not already dead) but grants them access to the animal's innate abilities. Eg. Alligators can attack twice but have decreased movement through land, Monkeys can search and use some simple items, Parrots move faster throught all terrain. When the body of the animal possessed dies the player will be in spirit form but wont have a corpse. It will also be possible to leave the animal's body at any time but the trauma would be the same as having the body killed by an outside force. In order to not break the game, certain special animals can not be possessed ( like that giant squid )|

suggest_time=11:37, 3 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Stcfg|Stcfg]]|
suggest_comments=

: I would like to suggest a skill for being able to detect possessed animals but that is for another day. --[[User:Stcfg|Stcfg]] 11:40, 3 June 2006 (BST)

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===Hunting Prowess===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Tracking skill tree|
suggest_description=It would be interesting for serious trackers to be constantly aware of recent tracks without spending AP. I propose adding this skill after ''Expert Tracking''—it doesn't have to be called ''Hunting Prowess'' but that seemed like a fitting name. Players with this skill would still have to use the 'Look for tracks' button to see anything but the most recent tracks. One possible limitation is to apply this only to animal tracks, but I definitely intended to include player tracks as well.|
suggest_time=13:17, 9 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]]|
suggest_comments=

:Tracking is currently a bit weak. On the other hand, I don't mind seeing quite a few mild/weak skills, because some players are already looking for more ways to spend XP. Certainly Tracking should top out at stronger than 1AP per attempt. My suggestion was ''Master Tracking'' above ''Expert Tracking'' to reduce time to 0.5AP per attempt. I agree that it would be neat to have the skill ''Hunting Prowess'' as a 0AP ability for only the single most recent track, but I think this skill would be a prime candidate to limit to '''Explorer/Scout-only.''' (Sorry!) 1. Tracking perfectly fits the Explorer/Scout class archetype, 2. Shartak needs better class differentiation, 3. Explorer/Scout is a bit weak, 4. Explorer/Scout currently has no dedicated skills. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 08:19, 15 June 2006 (BST)

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===Give explorers/scouts their own tracking skill===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Explorers and scouts|
suggest_description=While ''trailblazing'' has given explorers and scouts an edge over other players, they need more if they are to compete with the soldier, warrior and pirate classes for the attention of new players. I suggest that ''tracking mastery'' be combined into ''expert tracking'', which will be restricted to explorers and scouts. Any non-explorers/scouts with one or both of those skills would be refunded enough XP for their next skill (or two, if they have both) so they aren't punished. (The refund would occur ''after'' the skills were restricted and actively taken away from any non-explorers/scouts with them. This would let their levels and next-skill costs drop ''before'' the next-skill XP awards were given so that extra XP would not be accidentally awarded.) Full disclosure: I don't have any tracking skills, and I'm not sure how ''advanced tracking'' and ''expert tracking'' differ at the moment, but I think a good 1.5 AP tracking skill for everyone and an excellent 0.5 AP tracking skill for explorers and scouts will give those two classes a notable advantage in what should be one of their fortes. |
suggest_time=22:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

: Shouldn't this be added to the "Hunting prowess" skill entry? http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Skills#Hunting_Prowess [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 7:00, 19 July 2006
:: Yep. ''Tracking mastery'' is kind of handy, but I still think that it should be a universal skill, and that ''hunting prowess'' should be the scout/explorer-only skill. ''Hunting prowess'', at the top of the tracking tree, would cause scouts to receive basic tracking information passively (for 0 AP) at every step. Oooo, neat. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 17:30, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Tracking automatically for every move would add too much load on the server as the game becomes more popular. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


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===Melee buffs for intoxicated pirates===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Pirates under the influence|
suggest_description=Pirates are traditionally portrayed as rum-guzzling brawlers, so it would be fitting to encourage pirate players to drink (and drink to excess). I think imbibing a beer or rum should give a pirate a 1 HP damage bonus for all melee attacks in their next 5 AP. A machete (or cutlass) hits 2.25 times in 5 AP, on average, for a skilled user, so drinking for 1 AP would translate to around 2.25 HP of damage beyond what a machete would normally do. This is comparable to the combat damage dealt by blowpipes (2.4 HP/AP) and rifles (3 HP/AP).

Multiple drinks would extend the duration of the effect but not its intensity. To encourage actual drunkenness instead of casual beer-sipping, a drink taken by a pirate with beer already in their gut could give 7 more buffed AP instead of 5, which is effectively 6 AP (and 2.7 HP of damage) when you consider that 1 drunken AP must be wasted on taking another drink. The skill could be called ''brawling'' or ''drunken fist'' (which is the literal Chinese title of the classic Jackie Chan movie ''Drunken Master'') and would be placed with ''stamina'' under ''body building'' (to keep melee skills together and to avoid starting another tree).

I'm proposing this cautiously because pirates are already tougher and more popular than any other class. However, considering that beer and rum are harder to find and more expensive than darts and bullets (and should probably be even more expensive if this skill is implemented), I don't think this skill would make pirates stronger than warriors and soldiers, and it would improve both the diversity of the classes and the depth of the game's theme.|
suggest_time=06:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

*RE: Beer and Rum becoming more expensive if the skill is implemented- I completely agree, and the increase in price would also represent supplies of booze at the pirate camp running out, which I guess would then lead to outsiders trading beer and rum with the pirates, and adding another dimension to gameplay- [[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]

*Nice idea. In general I like the idea of making items have some specific use rather than generic AP-insreasers. But how about making it a gamble to take a drink instead of a definite combat-booster. If a pirate were to drink a bottle of rum, his next 5 or 10 AP would either give him +1 damage for every hit (with "flavor text" to let him know he is getting a boost, e.g. "In a drunken rage you inflict more damage on your target"), or it would make him too disoriented and out of it to do anything, and every time he attacks it would give him flavor text telling him he is too uncoordinated to attack, and he stumbles around unable to do anything (he would stay in place, not respond to comannds to attack but waste an AP anyway) till the intoxication wears off in 5 or 10 AP. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
**The goal is simply to encourage pirates to drink in combat. A chance of uncoordinated failure would be realistic, but it would also make things a little more complicated, so I'd let Simon make that decision if he decides to implement this suggestion. The effect of my original suggestion would be about the same (for fully skilled pirates) if drunk pirates had a damage bonus of +2 (instead of +1) and 10% less accuracy. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 05:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

*This doesn't make sense to me. When your drunk, your hand eye coordination GETS WORSE, not better! The only way I could see the idea working is if accuracy decreased as damage increased. Rewarding pirates for getting sloshed makes about as much sense as drunk driving. Another way to implement this would be to temporarily increase HP with rum ingestion, as this is at least slightly similar to the actual affects of alcohol (kind of like drunken boxing.) Otherwise, I don't see this working. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 04:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
**The idea is to encourage pirates to drink like a pirate would (and in the situations a pirate would), even if doing so is a bad idea in real life. I'd be fine with lowering accuracy even while damage is increased, so long as the overall effect is the same, but that may be an unnecessary complication (my suggestion doesn't increase accuracy, only damage). Your point (that drinking impairs in real life) is a good one, but I think this is a case where the game would be more fun if it diverged slightly from real life. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 05:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Technical “spell” skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Scientist/Shaman|
suggest_description=I would like to see the introduction of “tech spells” to the “magician class” of Shartak (scientist/shaman) much like the blue magic of final fantasy XII which rather than doing out right damage produces technical effects like haste, poison or blind. An illustration of this would be giving the shaman class an AP cost skill (let’s call it curse) that produces the same effect as wounded/bleeding (1HP loss per action) on their opponent. But given the nature of such spells the percentage chance of success should be inversely proportional to the strength of the spell or have their effects tuned down, so to retain fairness. As side note I like to see this skill given to NPC shamans to discourage people from attacking them.|
suggest_time=09:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]]|
suggest_comments=

"curse" might be confused with what the ancestors spirits do to zergers. This causes actions to cost more AP than normal. I would imagine that this would be a shaman only skill as scientists don't have magical powers! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
*i agree with the statement that scientist don't and shouldn't have magic powers, so how about this instead; give them "tech" skills but have them named within a scientific context, for instance the above "wounding" spell could be named "drug" or "poison" instead of say "curse" or whatever. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 04:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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===FAK/Healing Herb Manufacturing Skills===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Scientists and Shamans|
suggest_description=Perhaps the most in-demand items are healing herbs and first aid kits. They can only be used once, but they're used quite freely. This means that a lot of people must spend a lot of time searching medical huts for FAKs (for the duration of this suggestion, assume that FAK refers to both first aid kits and healing herbs). Meanwhile, we have two classes that don't have much of an advantage: the scientist and the shaman. Perhaps these two classes could learn a skill allowing them to produce their culture's version of the FAK. This would make these classes useful while also increasing the supply of FAKs. Additionally, these two classes are the most likely to know how to do this.

As for how the skill would work, I would recommend having a "Make FAK" button. They would then have a chance of successfully producing an FAK. These FAKs could then either be used (providing a source of XP besides killing things) or could be sold to the trader (since FAKs are always in demand). This would encourage the development of a "healer" class in Shartak, while also giving shamans and scientists useful special skills. I suppose scientists/shamans could be required to find raw materials before manufacturing, but that would just force people to continue the rather tedious and hit-or-miss tactic of farming huts/jungles.|
suggest_time=14:28 31 July 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

* '''Oppose'''. I agree that shamans and scientists should be best at healing and should have useful special skills, but I don't like this specific suggestion (as well-thought-out as it is) for two reasons: First, I think the jungle should be inhospitable, and turning shamans and scientists into herb farms and kit factories (yes, I'm exaggerating) would work against that. Second, I think the ability to make items is a complication that should be avoided if we can accomplish the same goal in other ways, which we can. I recommend three of the suggestions for shaman/scientist healing on [[Talk:Game design#Scientist and shaman|Talk:Game design]]: (1) give shamans access to ''first aid'' and scientists access to ''natural medicine'', (2) let shamans/scientists see the health of all wounded players on their side, not just the most wounded one, and (3) let shamans/scientists see whether players on their side are suffering from shark bites or poison. (I'd actually make 3 apply to all players, not just those on the player's side, because it wouldn't really be advantageous in combat to notice shark bites and the effects of poison.) 2 and 3 could be smoothly combined into one "Diagnosis" skill that would give these two classes a useful (if minor) healing edge over the others. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 06:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
**First, let me thank you for responding. I appreciate any and all input. I've taken some time to think about your objections and prepare my responses. May I propose an alteration? Perhaps, instead of my original suggestion, this "Make FAK" button would (as far as the programming is concerned) serve as a second "search area" button, but one that only produces FAK's, and has a significantly higher chance of producing one than a regular search. Additionally, it would only function in areas where an FAK can be found, as that is where the scientist/shaman would find the raw materials in the first place. This would be similar to UD's "shopping" and "bargain hunting" skills, in that it lets you search for a specific item and gives a boost to the probability of success. Additionally, it would only work in certain areas, like the shopping skill. The difference would be that it only produce FAK's. This would ensure that FAK's aren't simply produced out of mid-air (which is rather unrealistic, now that I think about it) while also giving scientists and shamans a dedicated and valuable healing-related skill. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 10:44, 1 August 2006 (GMT) Edited: 16:44, 1 August 2006 (GMT)
**How about having the skill function in a similar manner to the "Manufacture Syringe" skill on UD, thus powering-down the effect by requiring that the healer be in a Medical Hut and use multiple AP? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 17:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
***I haven't played UD since that was added; that being said, it certainly sounds good to me. Requiring that the healer be in the medical hut was essentially what I had in mind when I proposed it only work for certain locations. As for requiring multiple AP, I suppose that would have the same long-term effect as searching, while simultaneously being less tedious for the healer. Tell me, would this always produce an FAK or would it just offer a chance of doing so? I certainly like the sound of this suggestion. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 18:03, 1 August 2006 (GMT)
****What we have now, then, is a skill which would essentially give scientists better search odds for kits in medical huts (and likewise for shamans). Limiting this skill to players in villages is a step in the right direction, and giving it the form of greater search odds makes some sense, too: healers would look especially hard for healing items. But I'm still not persuaded, mainly because the skill's effects seem inconsistent to me. If healers have better search odds (in effect) for healing items, shouldn't fighters have better search odds for weapons and ammunition, and likewise for pirates finding rum and gold? The implications of the original idea could become very messy in practice. Also, wouldn't a pirate bleeding from a shark bite with just 10 HP remaining look even harder for a kit than a healer merely stocking up on supplies? The goal is allow healers to spend more time in the field and less in the hut, but I think we still lack a solution which makes sense. Here's a more realistic and less far-reaching idea which might work: shamans and scientists are given a skill which lets them heal 5 extra HP with a kit or herb if they're healing someone else. Anyone who's ever tried to remove a bullet from their back, bandage their gaping head wound, set their broken bone, or frantically stop their own bleeding will attest to the fact that medical care is most effective when someone else is administering it. This would let scientists use fewer kits in the field without making them better at healing themselves (which I think would be ''too'' useful). As a result, they wouldn't need to spend as much time in medical huts, which I think is the whole idea. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 00:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
This should be indented, since it's a response to Elembis's post. However, it would be rather crowded if I did that, so here you go. With that out of the way, on to business. You're correct that part of the reason for this suggestion is to reduce the amount of time spent in healing huts. It's also intended to boost the supply of FAK's. Your suggestion would somewhat reduce the demand, which would have essentially the same effect.

As for the inconsistency, that's part of why I suggested calling it "Make FAK." If you've ever spent the night in a healing hut while wounded, you know that SOMEBODY is going to heal you up while you're gone. However, the way I see it, they aren't going to use everything in that kit. Cutlass wounds require different treatment than poison dart wounds, for instance. That means there's going to be a lot of unused medical material around. Realistically speaking, there's probably also going to be some medical supplies that aren't part of a kit. By calling it "make FAK," you can get a message saying, "Using spare supplies, you cobble together a first aid kit." Now, the shaman is slightly different but the result is the same. The medical hut message says there are many herbs hanging up to dry. The shaman could get a message saying, "After looking through the herbs in the hut, you find a healing herb that is ready for use."

Also, I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your suggestion about the extra five HP healing. I definitely agree that it's more realistic to have a healer be better at healing others than themselves. I'd be happy to see it as one of the skills (maybe split that into a seperate discussion?). However, I'm not sure that's enough of a bonus by itself to tempt people to play the rather underplayed scientist class. Warriors and soldiers have extremely helpful skill; I think the other classes should as well. And as always, I appreciate your input, Elembis and LtL. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 6:11 2 August 2006

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===Require Help===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=All players|
suggest_description=''Allow you to scream to require help when you are in danger.''

Cost 5APs to prevent your "race" (Outsiders, Natives or Pirates) you are in danger at 5 cases in all directions|
suggest_time=17:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Ownslaught|Ownslaught]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Forensic Analysis/Advanced Seance===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Scientists, Shamans, Warriors, Soldiers, Pirates|
suggest_description=Allows the character to determine whose body is lying on the ground and the cause of death. Would require 1 or .5 AP to use, similar to tracking, and would say something like "It looks like Dim Mak is lying on the ground, clawed to death by a parrot." or "Barbarossa is dead on the ground, seems he ate the wrong berries."

Soldiers, Warriors and Pirates would understand forensics as they are used to seeing dead bodies, Scientists because they can think critically to determine the cause of death, and Shamans would hold an advanced seance with the spirits in the area to ask what happened (and perhaps get different flavour text).

There may also be an advanced form of this skill (Advanced Forensic Analysis/Expert Seance) which would indicate approximate time as well as the direction the culprit left, if a PC/NPC did the killing and the character also has the tracking skill - "frisco is shot dead on the ground, his body dead for a while. Tracks show the shooter went southwest recently."

A further advanced form (Expert Forensic Analysis/Seance Mastery) would provide info about who did other actions, like note writing/signposting - "Scribbled in the sand is 'Arrrgh!!!'. It looks like Barbarossa's handwriting."

This skill may help bounty hunters, pk hunters, clan warfare, provide warning information for everyone, and help combat note spamming.
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suggest_time=16:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Frisco|Frisco]]|
suggest_comments=

Good suggestion! I support this idea, I think the skill would be a good addition to the game. I can't really see anything wrong with this skill unless theres a technical reason why it can't be implemented. Seems like a good way to combat spammers as well... [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 10:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I support this idea to ! [[User:Ownslaught|Ownslaught]] 00:30, 13 September 2006 (Paris)

I always wanted to know how those people died. Perhaps this should be part of the tracking skill tree.[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 11:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
: Yes, this would be ultimate scout explorer skill. I like it a lot [[User:Lama|Lama]]


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===Fishing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skills|
suggest_scope=Evreyone|
suggest_description=

With the ''Fishing'' skill, you can catch fish and use them to heal yourself. There are thee types of fish you can catch: '''Minnows''', '''Bass''', and '''Large Catfish''', each with diffrent dificulty levels and skills required to catch them. Here are the skills:

*'''Basic Fishing'''- ''Able to catch Minnows''
**'''Intermediate Fishing'''- ''Able to catch Bass''
***'''Advanced Fishing'''- ''Able to catch Large Catfish''
*'''Fisherman's Luck'''- ''Better chance of cating a fish''
*'''Fisherman's Lure'''- ''EXP gained is doubled while catching fish''
''(also see belong for precentages on catcing fish)''

If you wanted to fish, you would have to have a '''fishing pole''' ''(new item)'' that could easily be bought at the trading post for 1-5 gold. You would then head out to a body of water (river, lake, ocean) and cast your line. Depending on if you have "Patience" or not and what Fishing skill you had, you'll have the chance of catching a fish. If you've only got '''Basic Fishing''', you can catch Minnows, if you have '''Internediate Fishing''' you have an equal shot at catching Bass or Minnows, and if you have '''Advanced Fishing''' you have an equal chance of catching Minnows, Bass, or L. Catfish.

The fish will also be able to heal a certain number of HP. Here is what the fish will heal:

*'''Minnows'''- ''2 HP''
**'''Bass'''- ''5 HP''
***'''Large Catfish'''- ''7 HP''

Also, when you catch a fish, you will gain EXP. Here is what each fish will earn EXP-wise:

*'''Minnows'''- ''2 EXP''
**'''Bass'''- ''5 EXP''
***'''Large Catfish'''- ''12 EXP''

As with evreything in Shartak, when you do something, the action has a description. Here are the discriptions for catching fish:

*You cast your line... but don't get even a nibble.
*You cast your line... and catch a Minnow!
*You cast your line... and catch a Bass!
*You cast your line... and catch a Large Catfish!

Percentages to catch fish:

*With '''Beginner Fishing'''- 10% chance to catch fish
**With '''Intermediate Fishing'''- 25% to catch fish
***With '''Expert Fishing'''- 40% to catch fish
****With '''Fisherman's Luck'''- +25% to catch fish|
suggest_time=01:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Che|Che]]|
suggest_comments=

* How about the "patience" aspect being the maximum number of AP you're willing to 'wait' after casting your line... eg [Fish for] <1/2/5/10> minutes. where each minute is the number of AP that you expend. The number of minutes would be a dropdown list, just like targets for attacks. Every minute that you fish for is a separate roll of the dice so you might fish for 10 minutes and not catch anything, or you could fish for 10 minutes and catch something after just 3 minutes. I'm not into fishing so perhaps someone who is can say if those times are wildly inaccurate or not. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I really don't know myself. I've fished once before in my life. All the ideas I got from the Wikipedia article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing fishing]. -[[User:Che|Che]] 06:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a brilliant idea. Perhaps some parts of the ocean or sections of rivers and lakes have a higher yield rate. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

Whenever I go fishing it takes a while to get something. On good days I can get a fish once every 30 minutes. It should take AP to cast your line and reel in the fish but it shouldn't cost AP to wait for a bite.

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=== Cutlass mastery ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= a skill to add 10% to any player who uses a cutlass|
suggest_scope= Pirates mostly but any native or outsider group.|
suggest_description= at the end of the close quarters combat tree this skill would appear. Buy it and the character gains an extra 10% when attackin with a cutlass, Short simple and sweet. Helps out all non-marksman classes have an edge in dishing out damage.|
suggest_time=23:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=


I think it's brilliant, because we could (i know i keep going on about them) still get flintlocks and nobody would be able to complain because they can master cutlasses too. We'd have nobody whining that pirates could now 'own' anyone. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

*I'm all for it, except it should be something more piratey- like Bellyslitting or Gutwrenching or something. Perhaps apply the bonus to knives too (but not other swords). --[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]] 22:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


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=== First Aid tweak ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= A tweak to First Aid, the skill that follows from Triage|
suggest_scope= All classes|
suggest_description= When you have the First Aid skill and you hover your curser over a guy in the distance (to see their name) you will also see a summary of their HP. Either healthy, injured, or dying. This would save you some AP whilst looking for people to patch up.|
suggest_time=00:50, 04 December 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Aco|Aco]]|
suggest_comments=

Make it for Advanced Triage. Good, though. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
:What Mark said.--[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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===Triage Change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Triage Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently, the triage skill works by giving you the lowest HP of an injured person in the room. For example, if there were two people in a space, one who's HP is 49 out of 50, another 50 out of 80, you will only be able to see the HP of the first. This is rather unrealistic and annoying. For the guy with 50 max HP, the 1 damage that took him to 49 is just a scratch, while for the guy with 80 max HP, him being at 50 is a very critical wound. The end result is that you waste a FAK on the 49 HP guy, when it could have done much more good for the 50 HP guy.

So, I would suggest that the system be revised, and instead of working on lowest HP number, work on a fractional basis. So now, some one with 60 out of 80 HP is at 3/4 health, and so you would see his HP rather than the guy who is at 49 out of 50 HP, which is only 98%.|

suggest_time=15:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Tintin|Tintin]]|
suggest_comments=

As a healer, i wholeheartedly support this idea, and can't think of anything that could make it better. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

Same here. Very idea :) [[User:Lama|Lama]]

Yup, very good idea --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 00:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

: Sounds ok, but why not just show the person needing the most healing by calculating (max hp - current hp) instead of a percentage? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 04:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

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===Mining.===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Mining for multiple resources depending upon skill and location. Ie: Stone for walls, roads. Metal ore for weapons and equipment. Gold is also possible, but might make more sense in panning on the rivers.|
suggest_description=I first thought of this when I saw the mountain and was getting tired of the jungle growing back in areas. I wondered if it might be possible to mine for rock to build roads in the jungle. These roads would naturally last longer than ordinarily cleared jungle but would eventually be reclaimed by it if not maintained. Mining could be its own skill tree with multiple types of mining yielding different resources. Similarly, only certain areas on the map could be mined and not all types of mining could be done at the same location. Tools of various sorts would probably also be required which would eventually break and need to be replaced.|
suggest_time=14:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:GreyA2|Grey]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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=== Policy Discussion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!
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===Yelling===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skill|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=This was a random idea, but it might work. This skill allows a person to project their voice over several squares, at the expense of additional AP. Now, for specifics.

This skill creates a new button next to the Talk button, labeled "Yell". For 3 AP, a person can yell something with a length equivalent to normal speech, with a range of seven squares. However, as distance increases, so does difficulty hearing it.

1 block away has hearing similar to normal. 2-3 blocks away has hearing similar to having Advanced Language. 4-5 blocks away has hearing similar to Basic Language. 6-7 blocks away has hearing similar to having no language skills. Also, each block away adds a 5% chance for a word not to be heard.

The hearer would receive a message similar to this: You hear a voice coming from 1 block to the East, "This is Mark D. Stroyer. Can you hear ... now? Good!" The ... indicates a word that isn't heard.

Also, if you're inside a building, you would simply see, "You hear someone yelling off to the (insert compass direction here, such as East)." Also, if you are between 7-9 squares away, there is a 40% chance that "You hear someone yelling off to the (compass direction)."
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suggest_time=16:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=



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===Taxidermy===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description= The taxidermy skill could possibly be followed by advanced taxidermy. The skill involves taking corpses (animal, human, etc) and stuffing them. This may require some form of filling and would create stuffed corpse items, which could be used for decoration. Obviously, larger animals such as elephants would take more AP to stuff than a parrot. Small items could be carried and added to the description but larger animals would not be easy to carry and therefore would be set up at a location and the head could be cut off as a trophy which might be placed in an empty hut. All of the animals could be decapitated, with a knife or dagger for small ones and a machete or cutlass for larger ones. Removing the head would create two items: '''Head of a/n <animal>''' and '''Headless <animal>'''. In areas with a corpse there could be an option reading "''stuff corpse''" and a dropdown menu with "''place on floor''", "''mount on wall''"(only available in locations inside or directly outside a hut) and "''seperate head''" could appear once it is in the inventory. |
suggest_time=01:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Jenerix|Jenerix]]|
suggest_comments=

* I'd like to see this implemented, we often stuff corpses in York, it'd be nice to see it added properly, maybe with some XP given for successful completion? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 02:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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===Skills for Pirates===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Pirate|
suggest_description= Piratesare the hack and slash characters of Shartak. Pirates need to reinforce this image. I propose three ideas.

1. Pirates love their melee weapons so they must always be cleaning them and keeping them battle ready. So why not include a skill to decrease the chance of their weapons breaking or becoming blunt. Skill name: Weapon Upkeep. Re: Weapon maintenance ( thanks Johan Crichton)

2. Pirates are fueled by rum and that makes them unpredictable. Adding a temporary 5%- 10% attack increase whan a pirate has consumed a bottle of beer or rum. After 10 to 15 attacks the effects wears off and attack goes back to normal. This could also increase the chance of dealing an extra point damage. Skill name: Battle Craze (or Bottle Craze).

3. Pirates are . They could duel wield melee weapons dealing one point less damage with the off hand. Of course you need Also you would have to decrease both weapons chance to hit. 10% with average hand and 20% with the other hand. You could add another skill that lets you increase the chance to hit with both hands. 5% on average hand and 10% on the off hand. This would only be used with a machete or cutlass just to keep things clear. Skill name: Duel wield and Advance Duel Wield.

These skills could make pirates more interesting, without destroying fair gameplay or filling the land with pirates. Of course you could just make a skill that gives pirates a 10% increase in attack.|
suggest_time= 0:17 EST July 5, 2007|
suggest_author=[[USER:Crazy Ian|Crazy Ian]]|
suggest_comments=

As a long-time campaigner for new pirate skills or bonuses, I'm interested in these. Dual wielding and rum, not so much, but weapon upkeep is great, and historically accurate. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 23:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input and maybe we should look into the history of pirates for inspiration. --[[User:Crazy Ian|Crazy Ian]] 00:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

A couple of comments:
* Could you provide an argument for pirates being the 'hack and slash' characters of Shartak?
* I'd suggest 'Weapon maintenance' might be a better name that 'Weapon upkeep' - and it should be a skill open to Warriors and Soldiers as well
* Alcohol isn't likely to make you hit things more accurately - it's more likely to allow you to take more damage (you don't notice it due to the inebriation) or do more (the sugar gets burnt to energy) - I don't like the idea of alcohol giving a % increase in this way.
* Dual wielding - again, this is a skill that should be available (if introduced) to all martial characters (and it's dual wield, not duel wield). Can you provide the maths on expected damage from having this as an option/skill?
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 01:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah good point about the alcohol I should have though that through a bit more. Also Thanks for pointing out that grammatical error. I don't have the formula on the ratio, I'll add it in once I get the formula and figure it out. Pirates are the hack and slash characters because they don't have any special skill just for them. It's pretty much grab a cutlass or a machete and get at it. Of you could also look at like there beginners class for people to get a hold of game and learn it's mechanics (of course experienced players can be pirates too). --[[User:Crazy Ian|Crazy Ian]] 04:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I think pirates need something that's just for pirates, Johan. Currently, they're unbalanced. Everyone's got a skill of thier own, soldiers have the rifle and warriors have a blowpipe, but pirates only have 5 more HP. Some minor skill that benefits them, even if it benefits other people, but benefits pirates more...i just forgot what i was going to say. Screw it. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 08:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Brute strength===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=An offshoot of Body building, Brute strength adds 1 extra damage for attacks under 3HP. This eliminates the need for cutlasses (other than deforestation) except when combined with Balanced stance for a 2HP glancing blow.|
suggest_time=00:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

:This does seem a little excessive, effectively doubling the effect of blows via Balanced Stance. Why would this apply only to Pirates? Wouldn't it also be appropriate for well-fed Warriors and hulking Soldiers? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 16:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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===Iron Constitution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill / balance change|
suggest_scope=Pirate Class|
suggest_description=Why do pirates have access to the First Aid skill? Medicine of the pirate era was notoriously dodgy and ship's carpenters, cooks and barbers often doubled as the ship's surgeon. This is why pirates are so often depicted as scarred and missing limbs, teeth, eyes et al.

This suggestion is for a unique skill called ''Iron Constitution'' which allows pirates to gain extra HP from all sources (beer, rum, water, fruit, herbs and FAKs) over and above the base HP gain rate for the item. A pirate with ''Iron Constitution'' will gain +1 HP for consuming fruit, water, and fruit juices, +2 HP for consuming rum and beer, and +2 HP for using FAKs or Herbs on himself. The skill does not affect FAKs or Herbs applied to others.

This skill is intended to provide a touch of character and make things a little easier around the resource-scarce shipwreck. My suggestion (possibly controversial) is that pirates be allowed to choose either Iron Constitution or First Aid but not both. Hard men would take Iron Constitution as their defining skill whilst wussy gentrified pirates would take First Aid. If implemented, existing players of pirates would be given a one-time opportunity to trade their First Aid skill for Iron Constitution.
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suggest_time=22:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Man, for a second there I thought you said Iron ''Construction.'' Holds promise methinks. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 23:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:Woops! Edited to categorize beer and rum together, originally had beer in the +1 HP category with water! --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:: the FAK/herb effect should work for FAKs and Herbs used on others, but based on the person healed and not on the healer, and it should only give the healer one additional XP instead of two. --[[User:AlexanderRM|AlexanderRM]] 01:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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===Spirit Usage Skills===

This suggestion has several skills that are usable by natives that use spirits in some way. Some are benign and do not effect the spirits in any way others exorcise the spirit as well as the skills other effects.

'''War Prayer''' {Warrior Only} 
Requires sixth sense. When used on a tile with spirits present gives a 5% bonus to hit with blowpipe attacks, the duration is 1 attack per native spirit present. This skill does not effect the spirits in any way. It costs 5 ap to use. This skill can only be used again one its effects are exhausted.
:'''Ancestral Chant''' {Warrior Only}
:Requires War Prayer. Increases the duration to 2 attacks per native spirit and reduces the ap cost to 3. This skill does not effect the spirits in any way. This skill can only be used again one its effects are exhausted.

'''Spirit Strike''' {Shaman Only} 
Requires Exorcism. When used on a tile with spirits present uses a spirit as a weapon, dealing 6 damage with a 40% accuracy. This skill costs 3 ap to use and exorcises the spirit but the spirit also gains exp for the damage done. Can only use native spirits
:'''Necromancy/Voodoo''' {Shaman Only}
:Requires Spirit Strike. Increases the accuracy by 20% (so overall the accuracy is 60%) and increases the damage done by 2 (so 8 damage). Can use all spirits

'''Fertility Ritual''' {Villager Only} 
When used on a tile with spirits present this skill gives a 10% bonus to finding any food item for 3 searches per native spirit present. Does not harm the spirits in any way. Costs 3 ap to use. This skill can only be used again one its effects are exhausted.

'''Spirit Guide''' {Scout Only} 
When used on a tile with spirits present the scout gains 3 free moves per native spirit present. This skill can only be used again one its effects are exhausted.

That's about it really. What do you think?--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 14:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

''Comments''

No. Some are overpowered, others are useless. And also, there's not very much reasoning or sense for them. And furthermore, it's unbalanced. Outsiders get absolutely nothing concerned with spirits. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 16:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:Stick to established chronology? Older suggestions at top, new suggestions to the bottom? I've corrected that for you. Regards the actual skills I think they are unbalancing as they affect only natives and give nothing to outsiders. Don't get me wrong, killing outsiders makes me happy but there has to be something for everyone. Sadly I don't think they fit with outsiders. And as per previous comments some seem overpowered (e.g. Spirit Guide) whilst others seem underpowered (e.g. Fertility Ritual)--[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 16:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC).
::Well originally only the shaman skills were presant but I thought that would overpower the shaman class by quite alot. Still I can see what you mean by overpowered, why if for some odd reason tribal shamans did not exorcise spirits on sight and there was a build up of spirits in one location the amount of power available would be phenominal...--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 20:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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=== Shallow Diving ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill / additional mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=The new ability to shallow dive in [[Water]] locations would be made available to all classes for free. It would permit characters to dive to seabed ([[Water]]) or riverbed ([[Water#River|River]], [[Water#Lake|Lake]], [[Water#Pool|Pool]] or [[Water#Waterfall|Waterfall]]) locations only. This ability would not apply to [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]], that would require a separate skill.

Diving in [[Water]] locations would require 1 APs to get down, 1 APs to surface and 1 APs per 10 second search conducted. When in the appropriate location a button labelled 'Dive' with a pull-down menu of dive times (10 secs to 120 secs) would be made available to those with this skill. Maximum total expenditure for one dive is 14 APs. Shallow diving in [[Water]] carries no risks at this time.

Searches during a dive would be conducted in the same manner as those in land-based locations and would have an YY% chance of finding something as determined by the actual location (e.g. [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Oyster_Bed|oyster bed]], [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Sunken_Wreck|sunken wreck]]) and [[Scavenging]] would increase the chance of a successful search. In the event that the character maxes out their inventory partway through a diving search, the dive is finished early and the character is forced to the surface; no APs are spent on searches that would be futile but the costs and risks associated with dive and surface are still incurred.
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suggest_time=12:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

I don't quite get the dive time idea tbh. Maybe underwater search should take more ap (similar to searching in the swamps) and if you ap-out underwater, you simply drown? Apart from that I love both your diving skills suggestions. Support! --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'll try to clarify dive times. Before diving you decide how many searches you want to conduct i.e. how many APs you will spend on the dive. If you want to do 10 searches you have to dive for 10 x 10 = 100 seconds. And a 100 second dive will require 12 APs (1 to dive, 10 to search, 1 to surface). The idea of 1 search per 1 AP = 10 seconds is descriptive only, based on real world breath-holding being around 2 minutes maximum for most people. After you press 'Dive' you are presented with the results of your searches, you are not moved into an underwater realm. This mechanism of selecting dive times is based on Simon's suggestion of simplifing diving into APs spent underwater rather than programming a whole new underwater environment. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 12:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

:...which would be truly awesome; anyway, I think it could be achieved by hitting "dive" button and then "search". After each search you would get the info - you can hold up your breath for ''some time'' more, where ''some time'' would be a measure similar to the one you get using saved map locations. To surface, simply hit the button "surface" (it could be the same one with changed text or maybe just marked "dive/surface"). The point I am trying to make is that we don't have time in Shartak, and these seconds things are a bit out of place in my opinion.--[[User:Lama|Lama]] 12:29, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'm not proposing that the player actually sits at the keyboard waiting for 100 seconds if he does a 100 second / 10 search dive. How about if the button said 'Dive for' and then had a pull-down menu of dive times expressed in number of searches (1 search to 12 searches)? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:::that sounds totally reasonable --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 00:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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=== Free Diving ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=The new Free Diving skill would be a sub-skill of Swimming. It would permit characters to dive to seabed locations in [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] as well as increasing maximum bottom time for shallow dives.

Diving in [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] would require 2 APs to get down, 2 APs to surface and 1 APs per 10 second search conducted. When in the appropriate location a button labelled 'Dive' with a pull-down menu of dive times (10 secs to 160 secs) would be made available to those with this skill. Maximum total expenditure for one dive is 20 APs. Diving in [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] carries a similar risk of shark attacks as swimming there i.e. XX% chance of a bite assessed per AP spent on a dive.

Improved diving in [[Water]] locations would require 1 APs to get down, 1 APs to surface and 1 APs per 10 second search conducted. When in the appropriate location a button labelled 'Dive' with a pull-down menu of dive times (10 secs to 180 secs) would be made available to those with this skill. Maximum total expenditure for one dive is 20 APs. Shallow diving in [[Water]] carries no risks at this time.

Searches during a dive would be conducted in the same manner as those in land-based locations and would have an YY% chance of finding something as determined by the actual location (e.g. [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Oyster_Bed|oyster bed]], [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Sunken_Wreck|sunken wreck]], [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Submerged_Ruins|submerged ruins]]) and [[Scavenging]] would increase the chance of a successful search. In the event that the character maxes out their inventory partway through a diving search, the dive is finished early and the character is forced to the surface; no APs are spent on searches that would be futile but the costs and risks associated with dive and surface are still incurred.
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suggest_time=12:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Hide in Like, You Know, Trees and Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Most non combat centric classes|
suggest_description=*'''basic camouflage''' (scouts, explorers, villagers, settlers, scientists, shaman, pirates):
**allows player to 'hide' in jungle squares such that they cannot be seen from two squares away.
*'''advanced camouflage''' (scouts, explorers, villagers, settlers):
**allows player to 'hide' in jungle squares such that they cannot be seen from adjacent squares or farther.
*'''masterful camouflage''' (scouts, explorers):
**allows player to 'hide' in jungle squares such that they cannot be seen at all until their 'hidden' status is revoked

'''notes''':
*chance of successful 'hiding' is based on jungle density: d0=0%, d10=10%, d20=20%, ect.
*character's 'hidden' status is revoked if they preform any action or are attacked. and may be revoked if the jungle is cleared, or searched.
*character has a chance of remaining 'hidden' if the jungle is searched, based on it's level: d10=100%, d9=90%, d8=80%, ect.
*character has a chance of remaining 'hidden' if the jungle is cleared, based on how much is left: d9=90%, d8=80%, d7=70%, ect.
*character can be seen/smelled by animals regardless of 'hidden' status.
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suggest_time=22:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeek|Zeek]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Psychic Link===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=All classes (spirits)|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new ability that aids a spirit in haunting the last person who murderered him or her. With this ability the spirit of the recently deceased gets a compass that points in the direction of the person who killed them. The compass would work in the same manner as the current [[Exploration]] and [[Cartography]] locations ability that points a traveller towards a target location. Spirits with this ability also get a 'Haunt' button which teleports them to the current location of their murderer at a cost of 25 APs.

The haunting ability remains in effect until either the spirit chooses to be revived by a shaman (the ability does not carry over into life) or the spirit is exorcised by a shaman (exorcism breaks the bond between murderer and victim). If a character dies at the hands of an NPC (e.g. squid, shark, wandering shaman) or by suicide then the haunting features remain inactive when the dead character assumes spirit form.

Relative placement on the spirit skill tree is suggested at the same level as [[Shocking shriek]] (i.e. [[Haunting scream]] is a prerequisite). This placement is open for debate, as is the actal name of the ability e.g. psychic link, haunt, curse etc.

I make this suggestion even though my main character is a confirmed headhunter. This skill is intended to improve roleplaying / gameplay by giving spirits a reason (a slim one granted) to be in places other than the medical hut. And it would result in killers being haunted by their victims. Those who police the settlements against murderers might themselves be haunted in turn but other innocents would be safe from the murderers... for a while at least... --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 21:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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suggest_time=21:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Don't destory the naturally occouring necromantic system that is the spirit hut! On a less self centered note it is a good idea though I would say death should remove the haunting status, you got your vengence now leave the poor git alone.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 14:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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===Fireball casting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Shamanic offensive skill|
suggest_scope=Shamans|
suggest_description=Idea of fireball is simple. You cast a hot fiery projectile at your enemy, doing some damage. At doubled attack AP cost fireball would do from 1 to 10 damage, with the highest chance in the mid range (4-6 dmg), diminishing when going to the both ends of the scale (for example, 5% for 1 or 10 dmg, 10% for 2 or 9 dmg, 15% for 3 or 6 dmg, 25% for 5 dmg and 45% for 4 dmg). If you feel the idea of fireballs is out of place on Shartak, name it "using tiny little blowpipes with shamanic mixture of poisonous powder made of berries and herbs" or anything more fitting the game set-up. I mean - this mechanics for ranged attack is serious. Not as serious as Sam, but still serious. I would love to see some comments on this.|
suggest_time=00:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lama|Lama]]|
suggest_comments=

OK I'll go first. I dislike the idea of fireballs as it sounds too much like D&D. I have questions. Is the range the same range as a blowpipe or rifle? If so, what would the %age hit chances be and what makes this different from using a blowgun or rifle (or even better than whacking someone with a machete)? Do we want shamen to replace warriors? What is the ammunition for a fireaball? As suggested on the forums, I do like the idea of a shamanic curse and the voodoo dolls idea seems to fit the character class. Maybe I'll work something up... --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 14:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
*Here go answers:
- let's call it touch of curse then.

- range is the same as with any other weapon in-game.

- for percentages, read it once again :) the difference is you can wield 10 dmg for 2 AP if you are lucky. Which, in terms of statistics is not really useful (most chances are you get 1 dmg for 1 AP spent), but it adds nice offensive skill for not so offensive class, definitely not replacing warriors or soldiers.

- Shamans would be much better to role-play, if they could use some sort of magic to hurt peoples (refer to any kind of literature, I visualized this myself after last reading R.E.Howard's short novels about Conan.)

- there's no ammunition for psychic-power skills other than AP.

- and thanks for commenting, I hope I made it clearer --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 09:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll add my comments on this suggestion that I have made on the forum. This suggestion could be utilized in a Staff. A Staff of Firebolts that has a limited amount of charges, similar to how the current GPS has a limited amount of battery life. Let's say, each Staff has 20 charges and takes up more room in your inventory than what a rifle or a blowpipe would. This suggestion doesn't change anything you've already suggested lama, just the delivery via a Staff. Other classes can use the Staff as a melee weapon, but not the Firebolts feature. Lets see, Shaman would initially hit on 45% and then the percentages that you suggested lama, kick in for damage amounts.

So...

'''Shaman Firebolt Staff'''
*45% to Hit[br]
*Staff contains limited charge (10-20 charges)
*Staff takes up a lot more inventory space than rifle and blowpipe (Double?)
*Only Shamans can utilize Firebolts, whereas other classes can wield it as a melee weapon
*Damage variance (See lama's figures)

That's it for now :D --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

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===Bodyguard===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Skill|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new skill called Bodyguard, to be placed on the Close Quarter Combat skill tree at the same level as Balanced Stance. When in the presence of another player or an NPC, characters with his skill would have access to a 'Guard' button with two adjacent pull-down menus. The first would be a pull-down menu of APs to be used, minimum of 1, maximum of 10. The second would be a pull-down menu of the current characters (AKA victims) at the location (c.f. the 'Attack' menu). The player would thus spend 1 to 10 APs to act as a bodyguard for a chosen victim. For each AP thus spent the player would automatically be the target of one attack directed at the victim.

If the attack would have been a hit with a ranged weapon, i.e. blowpipe or rifle, the bodyguard takes the hit instead of the victim only 50% of the time (the other 50% of the time the victim is still hit). Bullets and blowpipes fired by trained soldiers and warriors are much harder to defend against than melee attacks. Flavour text would be as follows:
:Attacker text - ''You attack Blue Hummingbird. Raffles interposes himself. You hit Raffles for 4 HP damage.''
:Bodyguard text - ''A Rat attacks Blue Hummingbird. You interpose yourself. You take 4 HP damage.''
:Victim text - ''A Rat attacks you. Raffles bravely interposes himself. He is hit for 4 HP damage.''

If the attack would have been a hit, the bodyguard takes the hit instead of the victim. Flavour text would be as follows:
:Attacker text - ''You attack Blue Hummingbird. Raffles interposes himself. You hit Raffles for 3 HP damage.''
:Bodyguard text - ''A Rat attacks Blue Hummingbird. You interpose yourself. You take 3 HP damage.''
:Victim text - ''A Rat attacks you. Raffles bravely interposes himself. He is hit for 3 HP damage.''

If the attack would have resulted in a glancing blow with a melee weapon, the target is hit as normal. Flavour text would be as follows:
:Attacker text - ''You attack Blue Hummingbird. Raffles interposes himself. You recover your balance and hit Blue Hummingbird for 3 HP damage.''
:Bodyguard text - ''A Rat attacks Blue Hummingbird. You interpose yourself. The attacker slips past your guard and hits Blue Hummingbird for 3 HP damage.''
:Victim text - ''A Rat attacks you. Raffles bravely interposes himself. The attacker slips past Raffles and you take 3 HP damage.''

If the attack would have been a miss, the bodyguard is missed rather than the target. Flavour text would be as follows:
:''Attacker text - You attack Blue Hummingbird. Raffles interposes himself. Your attack misses.''
:''Bodyguard text - A Rat attacks Blue Hummingbird. You interpose yourself. The attack misses.''
:''Victim text - A Rat attacks you. Raffles bravely interposes himself. The attack misses.''

Players using the Bodyguard ability must have sufficient unused APs to allocate towards the defence of the target i.e. they cannot deliberately go into negative APs when setting out to bodyguard. In the event that multiple players choose to bodyguard the same victim at a location, one of the bodyguards is selected randomly for each attack before the results are calculated. In the event that the nominated victim leaves the location before bodyguard APs are used up, any unused APs are lost and not returned to the bodyguard.

This skill would permit a group of players to defend a potential victim. Examples would be villagers defending a [[shaman]] who is exorcising a healer's hut, or an [[SPF]] activist attempting to save an elephant from a hunter's rifle.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 14:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_comments=

Comment:

Zergers could abuse this horribly. Beyond that, I think it's overpowered. It would make it impossible to kill someone being bodyguarded. Maybe instead of an automatic success it would only have like a 10-15% chance, and a character can only be bodyguarded by 1 player at a time.

I assume while bodyguarding it would be impossible to perform any other actions (since all your focus would have to be on who you're bodyguarding).

But I like the idea! It would open up a lot of new avenues for play (Bodygaurd companies/clans, loyal friends, your example in the Court of Raktam, etc.) [[User:Blahmicho|Blahmicho]] 19:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure that we could do anything against zergers that the game engine doesn't already do. Bodyguarding your own alt should theoretically have the same result as attacking or healing your alt i.e. the Curse of Shartak gets you. It wouldn't be impossible to kill someone unless multiple people were bodyguarding the intended victim. The maximum spend of 10 AP means that a bodyguard can only get in the way of 10 attacks, everything thereafter automatically targets the victim as normal unless there are more bodyguards. That figure of 10 could be altered. I guess that a limit could also be placed on the number of active bodyguards for one character. Any bodyguard who took an action before his 10 APs were used would automatically cancel the bodyguard effect and lose any APs spent. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::First, why is the bodyguard spending the AP before he does anything? The AP should be spent when you block an attack, so if the guarded person moves or dies or you die or decide to do something else, the AP aren't wasted. Second, there should be a skill like "assassin" that both increases chance to get past a bodyguard and means that you can avoid being noticed... until you attack the bodyguard or the person they're guarding, of course. Maybe make a "hiding" skill and have assassin as a sub-skill, letting you attack while hidden though you'd have a chance to be found out and be prevented from hiding again while the person you attacked is still alive and being bodyguarded in that square. --[[User:AlexanderRM|AlexanderRM]] 00:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
:::The server has no way to tell if you are logged out, asleep or simply inactive for a few moments. Requiring the bodyguard to actively spend APs gets around this problem (and prevents some exploits), provides a potential AP cap on the ability and provides a mechanism for checking for zerging. I dislike the idea of attacking from hiding but if you think that it has merit then write it up for discussion. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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===Curse===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skill/mechanic|
suggest_scope=Shaman|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new shaman skill called ''Curse'' placed on the psychic skills tree at the same level as [[Exorcism]]. A curse would be called down upon a specific map square (indoor or outdoor) via a blood ritual costing 5 AP and 5 HP. Cursing a location requires a dagger or knife to draw blood but grants no XP. Spirits in a cursed area would benefit from a reduced AP cost for Shrieking, Wailing and Possession (-1 AP) and would deliver 50% more damage (and thus gain 50% more XP) when Shrieking and Wailing. Furthermore, it is suggested that spirits in a cursed area would be YY% more resistant to [[Exorcism]].

Cursed locations would be detected by anyone with [[Sixth Sense]]. For those people the location description would include text along the lines of:

:''This place makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up.''
:''You feel an otherworldy chill in this area.''
:''You sense an inimical presence nearby.''

Temporarily cursed areas may be cleansed by any Shaman who performs an [[Exorcism]] once the area is free of spirits. Successfully exorcising the spirits grants XP as normal and cleansing the area would grant a further 5 XP. It is suggested that permanently cursed locations (e.g. battlefields, ruins) also be created.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 14:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Not a bad idea but I would suggest giving outsiders a skill to negate curses as outsiders already have a hard time with ghosts as it is.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 19:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:Possibly a scientist-based skill called "Skepticism"?--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 00:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::Joking aside, yes, I agree that there is a need for an additional Scientist skill of some sort.--[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 12:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I should check the wiki more often :D Anyways, I like this suggestion a lot, especially the blood sacrifice ritual. Really adds flavour that one. I've nothing to add to it though as I think you guys have covered it really. Actually, maybe the curse is embedded within a item (Voodoo Fetish, Gris Gris Bag...) and then placed at a location that is to be cursed. Scientists then get a skill enabling them to recognize these cursed items and destroy them. Cal the skill "Understanding The Black Arts" or such. Hmmmmmm... this could be extended further by enabling Shamans to give cursed items to players, cursing them. Scientists, once again can cure this by destroying the item and thus, lifting the curse. --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

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===Black Powder Proficiency===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Skill|
suggest_scope=Pirate|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new skill, Black Powder Proficiency, that would be available only to pirates. The skill would cover both the preparation and firing of black powder weapons using [[Suggestions:Items#Flintlock|Flintlock]], [[Suggestions:Items#Blunderbuss|Blunderbuss]]. [[Suggestions:Items#Powder_Flask|Powder Flask]] and [[Suggestions:Items#Lead_Ball|Lead Ball]] items. This skill would confer a +25% hit chance for black powder weapons only and would also reduce the by 1 the APs required to prime such weapons with a charge of powder.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 12:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Dowsing/Treasure Hunting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Skill and items|
suggest_scope=All|
suggest_description=Since we have digging, I am aware that there are buried treasures over much of the island. Dowsing would be available to natives - they would need two sticks in their inventory to be able to dowse a square. Treasure Hunting would be available to outsiders - they would need some sort of equipment - suggestions please. Basic dowsing/treasure hunting (for 2AP) would give a 20% chance of showing if anything was buried in that square, but not the depth - Advanced (2AP) would give 40% but no depth - Expert would give 60% and depth. No skill would show what items were, just that there were things buried.|
suggest_time=[Spookey] 18:12, 10 November, 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[Spookey]|
suggest_comments=

Not a bad idea, though an alteration you might consider is to have dowsing cover the surrounding squares and tell you the direction if it picks up anything. --[[User:Zeek|Zeek]] 18:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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===Bounty Placing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Skill|
suggest_scope=All players|
suggest_description=
There is a bounty placing skill in jailriot so I said to myself "Self, you should suggest this for shartak."

This skill would allow players to place bounties on players in their enemy contact list. The reward for killing the hunted player would be a small award like twenty experience or less or a small amount of gold coins like four and any player with this skill could collect it. If someone without the skill kills the target then the bounty still goes away but nobody gets the award. I thought about any amount of gold but that would basically be a mailing system for zergers. Each character can only set one bounty out at a time and it never expires until the target dies. The bounty would appear next to the targets name whenever any player would be able to identify them. Bounties can stack and everyone will be able to see who placed which bounty if they go to the target's character page. It would require a payment of twice the reward to place the bounty. I haven't thought of a reason why anyone's place of origin would have any affect on this skill but if someone has an idea then by all means.|
suggest_time=[[User:Edwardel|Edwardel]] 19:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Edwardel|Edwardel]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Weapon Upkeep===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Weapon upkeep, put simply, means that whoever takes the skill knows how to look after the weapons they carry and get the best out of them. It would be part of the Combat Skill tree, on the same level as Balanced Combat, and would halve the chance of your machete/cutlass/dagger/knife breaking whilst you're attacking with it. Heavy swords take a bit more work to look after them, so a further skill branched out from this one (Advanced Weapon Upkeep or something) would halve the chance of the Heavy Sword breaking.|
suggest_time=15:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Broderick|Broderick]]|
suggest_comments=

I frankly don't think that weapons break often enough. It's already .1% chance. If it were a .05% chance, that would be insane in the longevity of weapons. Besides, weapons are both cheap and small, so it's not hard to just keep a small cache. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 18:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I believe they break quite often even with the .1% chance. My pirate is level 4 and had already broken 4-5 cutlasses and a machete. (No, not bluntened) --[[User:Baliame|Baliame]] 15:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::Cutlasses are notorious for breaking frequently. But really, considering most weapons are about 1 GC each, and only take up 1/100 of your inventory (okay, 70 for some, but who doesn't have a backpack nowadays?), and everyone carries multiples anyway. Plus, it's still .1%. Which is tiny. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 15:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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===Life Sense===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skill/mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new spirit skill called ''Life Sense''. This skill would allow a spirit in an occupied area to see the HP and name(s) of the living person(s) closest to death. It does act a little like [[Triage]] but it does not require that skill nor does it require that the spirit be of the same origin (outsider / native) to reveal the name / profile.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 00:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

I'd sooner not see it indicate the exact HP - perhaps a 'near death' label instead for those nearing death, and the spirit world? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 01:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::(NEGATIVE VOTE) And actually, thinking about it, no. This will simply encourage people to grind their characters XP by XP farming in medical huts with spirits who don't kill anyone. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 01:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::This doesn't happen already Johan? I really would like to see spirits be able to identify those who are about ready to "cross over" to the other side. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I'd sooner see suggestions that modify the game to discourage or reduce the reward of xp farming as a solution to the problem. This... opens up possibilities for some who've openly xp farmed, and don't seem at all embarrassed about it. I'd accept something where it flagged those 'near death' with a 'near death' flag - but the spirits shouldn't know the exact HP. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Johan on this one, XP farming should have its risks. But I like the idea of a "Near Death" description. Perhaps when characters are on low hp it should reduce the AP cost for possession and this skill could indicate if this bonus is applicable?.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 01:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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===Ghostly Touch===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skill/mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new spirit skill called ''Ghostly Touch''. This skill would allow a spirit in an occupied area to touch a living person and thus reveal the person's name and profile.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 00:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Would it reveal the profile to the spirit only, or to everyone in the room/square? --[[User:Buttercup|Buttercup]] 01:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Who's information is it revealing? If its the ghost's then there is a non-damage wail in place already. If you mean the person touched I like the idea, sort of IFF for spirits.--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 01:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:This would reveal the living person's profile and it would only reveal it to the spirit. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I like it, enough said really--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 10:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't see that this needs to be a skill - perhaps a simple game modification to allow spirits to 'ghostly touch' a target and find out who they are? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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===Poltergeist===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New skill/mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for a new spirit skill called ''Poltergeist''. The new skill ''Ghostly Touch'' would be a prerequisite. This skill would allow a spirit in an occupied area to attack a living person using the spirit character's fist %age hit chance and delivering 1 HP damage on a successful attack.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 00:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Doesn't poltergeist mean noisy ghost? [[User:Darkferret|Edward Grey]] 01:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Why not make it an item damage skill, (the number of items in the characters inventory/2) rounded down is the chance for the damage to occur or/and increase the damage by 1 for every 20 items? Makes it a little less redundant and a whole lot more sinister. (so it maxes out at 50% chance for 6 damage if the person is carrying 100 items)--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 01:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Maxed version seems too much Etherdrifter. Fixing this at 1 HP damage seems more suitable in terms of power. You could argue for a more damaging skill further up the skill tree but I'm not going to suggest that. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::The idea behind the items is you can't actually see what a person is carrying, its a risk reward factor. Should you just wail or should you try out a few poltergeist activities first in the hope of finding the right victim? Otherwise the idea seems a little too weak (wail will easily do more damage)--[[User:Etherdrifter|Etherdrifter]] 10:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

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===Dowsing (Original Version)===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill (new)|
suggest_scope=Classes as listed|
suggest_description=Dowsing would be a skill placed on the Sixth Sense tree at the same level as Psychic Recognition i.e. Sixth Sense as a prerequisite. With this skill a character would have a 'Dowse' button available with a drop-down menu offering a choice of 'for water' or 'for treasure', at a cost of 3 APs per use. Dowsing would also require a new item (forked stick, 1 inventory space, found searching in Jungle squares above level 5 density). Dowsing would not benefit standard searches e.g. in the ammo hut or searching trees for fruit.

Dowsing for water, success rate XX%, will add additional flavour text to the location description thus...
:''Your forked stick has led you to a small spring gurgling from beneath a rock.''
...and will also activate the 'Fill' drop-down menu option for empty bottles and gourds. As soon as APs are spent on any option other than 'Fill', the flavour text and 'Fill' options are removed, simulating the character losing sight of the small spring.

Dowsing for treasure, success rate YY%, will add additional flavour text to the location description thus...
:''Your forked stick points downwards towards the ground. There is something buried here!''
...and will indicate if there is a cache of buried items at the present location. Dowsing will not indicate what these items are i.e. it could theoretically be a cache of mangoes or a cache of gems. As soon as APs are spent the flavour text is removed.

Dowsing skill would be available to all classes (with the possible exceptions of the Soldier, Warrior and Scientist). The skill is a natural for the Villager, Settler, Explorer and Scout (they need to find water). Similarly the skill fits the Shaman very well. The Pirate, being a superstitious creature prone to burying treasure and then forgetting the location, would also seem an appropriate recipient of this skill. That part is up for discussion as finding water in the jungle would be useful to all.
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suggest_time=22:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Deadly Wail===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill|
suggest_scope=Ghosts|
suggest_description=Banshee wail is needed to be able to obtain this skill. 
It gives a spirit a 5% chance to cause a "deadly wail" when wailing. 
When a spirit generates a deadly wail, one person on the same location of the spirit instantly dies, no matter what their class, home camp or HP is. 
When someone dies from a deadly wail, the responsible spirit only gets the XP from the victim's death (0 if the victim is a low level player), but not the XP from the HP the victim had. 
Because there's only a 5% chance of this to happen, not too many people should die. 
For example: if there are two ghosts in the same hut who both wail ten times each, only one person would normally die. 
 
The reasons why I'd like to see this implemented are simple: 
-People with healing supplies get a lot of XP by healing the victims of wailing, but almost never get inconvenienced by ghosts, so they actually like them. 
This situation in some cases leads those same people to killing shamans because they cause ghosts to leave. 
If people died because of spirits, this situation might change. 
-It can be very hard for a ghost alone to kill someone. 
With this skill, a ghost who wails alone would finally be able to kill someone, even if everyone is healthy at the place where the ghost wails. 
 

If people don't want to be killed by ghosts, they should leave crowded huts. 
If ghosts don't want to kill people, they should not buy this skill.|
suggest_time=18:08, 9 March 2008 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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Jungle Drums

2008-03-06T21:06:05Z

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*[[User:Keiichi|A rat]]
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Talk:Parrotologists Society

2008-02-07T10:04:32Z

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If you want to contact PS. please do it here. Thank you!

:I am requesting to add your group as a secondary clan. For Science! --[[User:Schloss Ritter|Schloss Ritter]] 02:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

* Done. For Science! --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 02:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

* I would like to know if you have made any studies on the Zombified Parrot? --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]] .

** I did a bit, unfortunatelly an angry tiger torn me apart while I still haven't had a lot of info. Anyway, they appear to act identically as normal ones - their attack routine is the same, they also speak (same things as reported to be said by non-zombified parrots). Full info will appear along with my publication about parrot speaking abilities and their vocabulary. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 01:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

***Damn those angry tigers. Keep up the good work :) --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

Greetings, scientists! As a producer of high quality fruit juices I'm often out in the wilderness, enjoying nature's creatures while gathering fruit. I read your researches with great interest. Amazing facts! If you should ever do some research in fruit juices I would be glad to assist you in any way I can. Apart from that, if any of you should ever run into me, just tell me you're from the PS and you'll get a free sample of my [[User:Admiral_Thrawn#Variety_of_quality_fruit_products|finest juice]]. Keep researching, FOR SCIENCE! [[User:Admiral Thrawn|Admiral Thrawn]][[User talk:Admiral Thrawn|Talk!]] 13:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== Charms research ==

I am wondering if what you thought was a new parrot feather charm was in fact old and that's why you didn't see any difference. How exactly do you define a charm as new? Did you find it immediately before, did you buy it from the trader or did you just get it from some other player? --[[User:Oktavius|Oktavius]] 18:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

: When I say new, I mean I found it in the jungle. That seems to me like the only way to get a truly new charm. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 10:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Parrotologists Society

2008-02-06T12:37:09Z

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{{Clanbox|
clan_name=Parrotologists' Society.|
official_id=199|
open_to=everyone|
clan_image=[[Image:Pslogo.gif]]|
clan_membership=1 parrotologist, 1 botanist, 1 ectoplasmologist, 1 mad scientist, and an awful lot of parrots.|
clan_leaders=Natural Sciences|
clan_goals=Reveal the secrets of life|
clan_recruit=Particular interest in Shartak's fauna and flora habits.|
clan_contact=Drop a line on a discussion page. Thanks!|
sort_as=|
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== News ==

Say hello to one of the oldest Shartak's researchers, {{profile|6212|Schloss Ritter}}. He declared support for the cause. Scientastic!
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We have a new member, {{profile|888|DarkFerret}}. As he said - ''Anything in the name of science.'' According to his words he is particulary interested in ghost parrots. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 03:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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Parrotologists' Society is now open to all people, interested in natural sciences. Today we welcome {{profile|165|Dr. Livingstone}}, who is a well known botanist and his experiments with plants' watering gained him fame and a position in a Shartak's Science Hall of Fame. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 00:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

= Parrotology =

''2007-06-06 10:44 spotted a parrot. Starting observations. Parrot looks much like a parrot, it has two wings, a beak and some legs too. And many colors.''

==Shartak parrots - their HP and AP ==

Wandering around you will probably meet some parrots. They are known to have low health and their beaks aren't the most efficient weapon in the world. Really? Read below for some less known truth about different kinds of parrots.
* a parrot - 1 DMG, 5 HP. Your daily parrot. Yawn...
* a vicious parrot - 2 DMG, 6 HP / 3 DMG, 7 HP - who would've expect? These little birds can be annoying, so you better watch your sleep when a vicious parrot is near.
* a man-eating parrot - 4 DMG, 8 HP - a little threat during a daytime it can make you visit your home-camp shaman in the night. Man-eating parrots were never spotted in their natural habitat, but lab tests prove that there is a possibility such a monster appears one day and terrorizes our dwellings.

Below you can see photos of the parrots:
[[Image:parrot.gif|thumb|left|Flying flower of a jungle]]
[[Image:parrot_vicious.gif|thumb|left|Beautiful, yet vicious]]
[[Image:parrot_man_eating.gif|thumb|left|Give me back my leg!]] 

==Parrots and tracking skills==

Even if you learned [[Tracking]] Mastery skill, you will not be able to track a bird. Now that I thought of this it seems obvious...

==Ectoparrotology==

''In my observations of ghosts and ectoforms I noticed a distinct lack of nonhuman willtrace. I hypothesized that most animals don't have the intelligence to produce them. Then a parrot repeated a native, in perfect English (except 'paleface die') instead of the native's nonsense.''

Field tests have yet to yield observations of parrot ghosts and the translating behavior has not been replicated in the lab. The project may need to be suspended to raise rapidly dwindling research funding. Those parrots eat so many mangoes.

=Botany=

There were rumors that liquids could affect the growth rate of the jungle, altough these were never confirmed. 
To find out if plants would really grow at different rates when submitted to liquids, I conducted an experiment. 
For this investigation I cleared several squares of jungle, poured all kinds of different substances on them, and kept track of each of their growth rates. 
The results were suprising: pouring fresh water on a square will make it grow one density in just one day; salt water slows groth down only slightly, so daily watering is needed to observe any effect; and all other liquids have no apparent effect.

==Charmoparrobotany==

Many think that charms own mystical properties which can help their owner in some way, although this has never been proven.

From own experience I noticed that if I swam through deep water with a parrot feather charm, I would get bitten by sharks fewer times than when I did without the charm, and I wasn't the only one who noticed this. 
So, I decided to investigate. 
I gathered some FAKs, and went swimming in a random path from the east of the island to the north for 500 AP while counting shark bites with, and without, a charm. 
When I finished, I noticed there was almost no difference. 
However, while I was swimming, a very kind native told me that he noticed that the effects of his charm disappeared after while, so I conducted a third investigation, which revealed that a new charm did, in fact, reduce the number of shark bites.

Here is the complete investigation:

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing an old parrot feather charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 1
| 100
| 8
|-
| 2
| 58
| 3
|-
| 3
| 88
| 6
|-
| 4
| 99
| 8
|-
| 5
| 93
| 6
|-
| 6
| 62
| 3
|-
| Total: 34 bites
|}
On two or three occasions I accidentally pressed the "swim" button before healing myself, making the chances of getting bitten much higher, meaning the total number of bites would probably have been 32 or 33.

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing no charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 7
| 53
| 5
|-
| 8
| 94
| 9
|-
| 9
| 75
| 6
|-
| 10
| 68
| 5
|-
| 11
| 74
| 1
|-
| 12
| 74
| 5
|-
| 13
| 63
| 1
|-
| Total: 32 bites
|}

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing a new parrot feather charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 14
| 76
| 2
|-
| 15
| 70
| 0
|-
| 16
| 72
| 2
|-
| 17
| 76
| 2
|-
| 18
| 69
| 5
|-
| 19
| 72
| 5
|-
| 20
| 65
| 1
|-
| Total: 17 bites
|}

The amount of time it takes before a charm loses its effect is still unknown.

===Update===

I also have the results of an older investigation, which seems to contradict what I have written above. 
For this older investigation I swam between two, same squares all the time ([-70.081,+26.350] and [-70.080,+26.350]), also for 500 AP.

These are the results:

Swimming for 500 AP with a new parrot feather charm: 24 bites. 
Swimming for 500 AP without a charm: 25 bites. 
Swimming for 501 AP (swimming in deep water costs 2 AP, and I was at 499 AP) with an old parrot feather charm: 21 bites. 

This shows that there is no difference between wearing a new, old or no parrot feather charm when swimming in deep water, so these objects' properties remain, once again, a mystery.

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Parrotologists Society

2008-01-20T12:48:56Z

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Parrotologists Society

2008-01-20T12:23:19Z

0000FF Beard: Added the Charmoparrobotany investigation

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Say hello to one of the oldest Shartak's researchers, {{profile|6212|Schloss Ritter}}. He declared support for the cause. Scientastic!
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We have a new member, {{profile|888|DarkFerret}}. As he said - ''Anything in the name of science.'' According to his words he is particulary interested in ghost parrots. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 03:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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Parrotologists' Society is now open to all people, interested in natural sciences. Today we welcome {{profile|165|Dr. Livingstone}}, who is a well known botanist and his experiments with plants' watering gained him fame and a position in a Shartak's Science Hall of Fame. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 00:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

= Parrotology =

''2007-06-06 10:44 spotted a parrot. Starting observations. Parrot looks much like a parrot, it has two wings, a beak and some legs too. And many colors.''

==Shartak parrots - their HP and AP ==

Wandering around you will probably meet some parrots. They are known to have low health and their beaks aren't the most efficient weapon in the world. Really? Read below for some less known truth about different kinds of parrots.
* a parrot - 1 DMG, 5 HP. Your daily parrot. Yawn...
* a vicious parrot - 2 DMG, 6 HP / 3 DMG, 7 HP - who would've expect? These little birds can be annoying, so you better watch your sleep when a vicious parrot is near.
* a man-eating parrot - 4 DMG, 8 HP - a little threat during a daytime it can make you visit your home-camp shaman in the night. Man-eating parrots were never spotted in their natural habitat, but lab tests prove that there is a possibility such a monster appears one day and terrorizes our dwellings.

Below you can see photos of the parrots:
[[Image:parrot.gif|thumb|left|Flying flower of a jungle]]
[[Image:parrot_vicious.gif|thumb|left|Beautiful, yet vicious]]
[[Image:parrot_man_eating.gif|thumb|left|Give me back my leg!]] 

==Parrots and tracking skills==

Even if you learned [[Tracking]] Mastery skill, you will not be able to track a bird. Now that I thought of this it seems obvious...

==Ectoparrotology==

''In my observations of ghosts and ectoforms I noticed a distinct lack of nonhuman willtrace. I hypothesized that most animals don't have the intelligence to produce them. Then a parrot repeated a native, in perfect English (except 'paleface die') instead of the native's nonsense.''

Field tests have yet to yield observations of parrot ghosts and the translating behavior has not been replicated in the lab. The project may need to be suspended to raise rapidly dwindling research funding. Those parrots eat so many mangoes.

=Botany=

There were rumors that liquids could affect the growth rate of the jungle, altough these were never confirmed. 
To find out if plants would really grow at different rates when submitted to liquids, I conducted an experiment. 
For this investigation I cleared several squares of jungle, poured all kinds of different substances on them, and kept track of each of their growth rates. 
The results were suprising: pouring fresh water on a square will make it grow one density in just one day; salt water slows groth down only slightly, so daily watering is needed to observe any effect; and all other liquids have no apparent effect.

==Charmoparrobotany==

Many think that charms own mystical properties which can help their owner in some way, although this has never been proven.

From own experience I noticed that if I swam through deep water with a parrot feather charm, I would get bitten by sharks fewer times than when I did without the charm, and I wasn't the only one who noticed this. 
So, I decided to investigate. 
I gathered some FAKs, and went swimming for 500 AP while counting shark bites with, and without, a charm. 
When I finished, I noticed there was almost no difference. 
However, while I was swimming, a very kind native told me that he noticed that the effects of his charm disappeared after while, so I conducted a third investigation, which revealed that a new charm did, in fact, reduce the number of shark bites.

Here is the complete investigation:

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing an old parrot feather charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 1
| 100
| 8
|-
| 2
| 58
| 3
|-
| 3
| 88
| 6
|-
| 4
| 99
| 8
|-
| 5
| 93
| 6
|-
| 6
| 62
| 3
|-
| Total: 34 bites
|}
On two or three occasions I accidentally pressed the "swim" button before healing myself, making the chances of getting bitten much higher, meaning the total number of bites would probably have been 32 or 33.

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing no charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 7
| 53
| 5
|-
| 8
| 94
| 9
|-
| 9
| 75
| 6
|-
| 10
| 68
| 5
|-
| 11
| 74
| 1
|-
| 12
| 74
| 5
|-
| 13
| 63
| 1
|-
| Total: 32 bites
|}

{| cellpadding="8" cellspacing="1" style="background-color: #FFFFFF" |
| colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" | '''While wearing a new parrot feather charm'''
|-
| Day
| AP used
| Number of bites
|-
| 14
| 76
| 2
|-
| 15
| 70
| 0
|-
| 16
| 72
| 2
|-
| 17
| 76
| 2
|-
| 18
| 69
| 5
|-
| 19
| 72
| 5
|-
| 20
| 65
| 1
|-
| Total: 17 bites
|}

The amount of time it takes before a charm loses its effect is still unknown.

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Jungle Drums/Issue 1

2007-12-29T11:51:46Z

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Jungle Drums/Issue 1

2007-12-29T11:50:58Z

0000FF Beard: I fixed some spelling mistakes

Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log

2007-12-29T09:56:39Z

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=Island log=

=Part one=

<pre>
Ritual business gets slowly started....
Foo Fighter says “Native rituals never have a definite beginning and ending so we can start casually and they join up!”
Foo Fighter says “*starts to beat the drums*”
Foo Fighter says “*puts some more crabs in the hole and falls backwards, eyes rolling up.*”
Foo Fighter says “7 NATIVES BENEATH A HIGH TOWER HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYAH HEYAH”
Foo Fighter says “AND THEY GOT HEAD OH YES MANY MANY HEADS HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Foo Fighter says “LOOK AT ALL THEIR SHRUNKEN HEADS OH THOSE WICKSICKS MAKE US PROUD HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Foo Fighter says “WHAT DO THEY NEED?”
Foo Fighter says “BROWN STUFF BROWN STUFF BROWN STUFF HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEEEE”
Foo Fighter says “*crawls back in an upright position, still shaking*”
Foo Fighter says “The prophecies come a plenty these days! This is truly a sacred tower!”
Otago says “Brothers and sisters! The ancestors smile upon us!" Otago holds up a head. "A Dorkman in the tower provided us with his head to start the ritual!”
Escariot performs a successful exorcism ritual and casts 2 spirits away from here.
lama says “Is little togu a real headhunter? I will ask him to come right away then”
Wambayak says “*takes two bones and an elephant skull* Ready for the rhythm?”
Wambayak says “*begins to play* tchk`tack, tch`tch tchack, tack`tch`tack....”
Wambayak says “*sings* the herbs, the liquid! Oh praise my father! Oh praise my mother! Oh praise the jungle! ”
lama says “Little Togu will be here if he can make it”
lama says “whatever that means *laughs"”
lama says “*takes his ritual bongos and starts baning* bang ba ba bang ba bang ba ba bang ba*”
Foo Fighter says “OOOOH BROTHER OTAGO SHOW YOUR PRIZE HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA YOU TOOK IT FROM THE TOWER”
Foo Fighter says “THE TOWER GIVES AND NOURISHES US TOMORROW THERE WILL BE BROWN STUFF HEYA HEYA HEYA"
Foo Fighter says “*welcomes brother futrak who dropped by from famous DALPOK!*”
Foo Fighter says “The crab hole is ready, nothing else fits in! So now let's boil them crabs in the earth oven!”
lama says “*pours some brown liquid on the ground* ANCESTORS! TAKE THIS CRAB SOUP TO PLEASE YOU SO OUR RITUAL WILL BE RITUALLISTIC AND PLEASING TO YOU AS THIS SOUP IS! *keeps banging on the bongos*”
lama says “Escarito, mi amigo *rolls eyes and mumbles some more* *bang ba ba bang, bang ba ba bang bang bang BANG bang*”
Futrak says “Send us Ebirah, Terror of the Deep to reclaim our glorious kingdom!”
Futrak says “< bashes bottles together enthusiastically >”
lama says “A beer, ah? Yay! *bang ba ba bang bang*”
Entropy says “*starts in the native bellydancing style*”
Jesus says “the ancestors say you should attack me a bit! otherwise, they say I cannot find the gourds with the salty water in my belongings *shrugs*”
Jesus says “Oh, and they say you should pray for the sacred liquids so they will pour them into the earth”
Jesus says “chants... ei eieieieieieieieie ancestors, we came a long way here, we need the beer, eieieieoooooooooooooooo um um”
Jesus says “the water is salty it does not nourish ancestors we beg, don't leave us poorish”
Jesus says “oh ei oh ei oh ei oh ei how can we sway? ”
Wambayak says “TcktckTacktacktatacktack tch”
Wambayak says “Liquid ! Brown ! oieieieieieieieie Oi Oi Oi !”
Wambayak says “bodybreaks! tchktchk tack tack! Gime Herbs! Gimme Herbs! oi oieieieieiei trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtchtatartack”
Foo Fighter says “Oooooooooh THE ANCESTORS ARE SOOOOOO PLEASED Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!”
Foo Fighter says “We made them nice signposts now everyone can see what is going on oh yes oh yesh HEYA HEYA HEAY”
Foo Fighter says “Let's surround this tower with more signposts them say! ”
Foo Fighter says “8 WICKSIKCS 8 SQUARES!”
Foo Fighter says “Each signpost will signify a huge stone statue of one of them 8 Wicksicks here oh yeah”
Foo Fighter says “*falls over babbling,like so often*”
Foo Fighter says “ANCESTORS SPOKE AND WE MUST HURRY”
</pre>

=Part two=

<pre>
A stag, a tiger and maybe a squid....
Jesus says “See! A large stag, the ancestors have given us a large stag. I'll bring it here. We can see how long it'll stay with us and give the ancestors room to talk through it.”
Jesus says “you see this eyes, they ain't normal. this is an intelligible stag. The ancestors forgave us for not caring for the sacred monkey. the give us a seconde chance!”
Jesus says “I made contact with our sacred brother, it may come now.”
lama says “Sacred stag! Oh thank you Ancestors! I will bang for you some more *bangs some more on the bongos*”
lama says “Oh, I see the light coming out of my hands and now brother Escariot is wounded no more! Ooooh, great is the power of Ancestors! ”
lama says “*bang ba bang baba ba bang ba ba bang bang bam*”
lama says “But why, oh why, Ancestors, there was not enough light in my hands to heal brother Otago! Shall we sacrifice some more palefaces to gain the inner light? *bam bang bam bang ba bam bam bam*”
Ougadougou says “Greetings fellow headhunters! Have I missed anything?”
lama says “nothing special, some crab-earth-soup sacrification, a little bit of chanting and a little bit of music. ritual pre-ritual *bangs on the bongos*”
Foo Fighter says “IT IS OUGADOUGOU! WELCOME BROTHER!”
Foo Fighter says “Oh, and news reach me that Escariot killed the holy stag!”
Foo Fighter says “*me starts babbling again and falls over*
Foo Fighter says “HEYA HEY HEAY 9 NATIVES BENEATH A TOWER HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Jesus says “no no no no! Escariot killed the holy stag. And now he is looking weird at me! ”
Jesus says “Ancestors give us another stag, or a monkey, or an elephant.”
Jesus says “we should install the wicksick walk of fame now. the ancestors may judge then.”
Jesus says “greets to Ouga aswell. You will multiply the power of our wishes. RUM, BEER & HEADS”
lama says “AND CRABS AND HERBS!”
lama says “quite a bunch here,,, when do we start then?”
Escariot says “Yes, it is true. I did kill the Stag. It wasnt holy, it was an imposter!”
Jesus says “and what about this tiger? it seems the ancestors want us to nourish and tame him.”
lama says “I have never heard of sacred holy tigers. I say it is a rug to be for our ritual!”
Wambayak says “Perhaps the ancestors wan to force us to start with business”
Jesus says “pre-festivities are part of the business :)”
Jesus says “surely the ancestors care for us and show us where they hid the wells of brown liquid!”
Jesus says “and I'm not kidding”
Foo Fighter says “A TIGER A TIGER OH HEYA HEYA HEYA THE PROPHECIES CAME TRUE”
Foo Fighter says “THE ANCESTORS SEND THIS TIGER LET US NOT HURT HIM OR ONLY A LITTLE YOU KNOW AND BE KIND TO THE TIGER AND PET IT AND HE IS LIKE THE SYMBOL OF LIFE AND DEATH AND FERTILITY AND ALL THIS STUFF IT'S VERY"
Foo Fighter says “COMPLICATED I TELL YOU”
Foo Fighter says “I started the memorial signposts! Best driftwood up in the tower! Get to work, brethren!”
Entropy kills the tiger.
Entropy says “The Ancestors have sent a tiger to us and it choose to scar me.”
Entropy says “I see this as a sign that the ancestors have chosen me to sacrifice the tiger and I have done so.”
Entropy says “I present to you my brothers the head of the tiger, was was killed and beheaded by my own hand and machete..”
Entropy says “*presents the head to the gathered headhunteres.*”
Otago says “Next time, I hope the ancestors send a parrot. They don't hit as hard.”
lama says “We already had sacred monkey, sacred boar and sacred tiger. I hope little togu appears with sacred squids, which would the awesomeness. Wicksick Squid with machetes in tentacles.... *starts mumbling*”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang bang bam bababang bang bam bam* ancestors say DANCE!”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang* ancestors say: WHEN YOU DONE WITH RELAXING WE HAVE A MISSION FOR YOU *bang ba ba bam ba ba bang bam bang*”
lama says “*mumbles*”
Wambayak says “Oh ancestors send us a squid! send us a squid!”
Wambayak says “*takes a crab and bites her head off*. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! a squid! a squid!”
</pre>

=Part three=

<pre>
An Explorer makes an appearance...
neozeak says “Not here to hurt anyone...just exploring/searching...please don't kill me like you did last time Otago I am not your enemy, just a humble explorer”
Since your last move:
Wambayak says “there`s an outsider 15sq sth. west amd slightly north.”
Wambayak says “sth. = something not south! : )”
Jesus says “if his name is neozeak he was just here in your abscence, wamba, to beg for letting him go .... you know, the kind of "peacefully exploring" talk talk talk”
Jesus says “Nice signs everybody A very very walk of fame, tourists surely enjoy. Only two squares left in the inner circle. go for it ”
Jesus says “sigh... only beer is missing”
Foo Fighter says “The FRIENDLY OUTSIDER is up in the tower, be kind to him! Also, what beautiful signs you made! Entropy, Ougadougou, hush and erect some as well!”
Foo Fighter says “*innuendo rimshot*”
Foo Fighter says “Ummm, where was that OTHER outsider again?”
Ougadougou says “I have made some signs, we must identify the island.”
Ougadougou says “The ancestors put me in a deep sleep but did not reveal anything to me during it.”
Ougadougou says “But I have awakened with a vigor for building these signs...”
lama says “Friendly explorers killing natives? We should sacrifice him so Ancestors decide what to do, and his state must be change to EX-EXPLORER! *keeps banging soulful tunes on the bongos* DANCE, BROS & SIS!”
lama says “If may I add, quite an island we have here. Oh. wait... Ancestors have spoken... *turns his eyes out and starts speaking with not so lama voice*”
lama says “*also, his banging becomes more spophisticated, like 14/16, buddy rich no crack*”
lama says “ANCESTORS HAVE SPOKEN” (2007-06-04 21:51)
lama says “THEY WANT US TO DRINK BROWN LIQUIDS AND SACRIFICE SACRED ANIMALS AND NOT SO SACRED VISITORS”
lama says “AND THEN DRINK SOME”
lama says “*back to his normal voice* ekhm, what was that?”
lama says “*starts some hula tunes* bang ba bang bam bam bang ba bam bang”
Otago says “I heard something about drinking.”
Otago says “Would someone go upstairs and explain to the outsider that he'd better leave before someone kills him again. He doesn't understand me.”
Otago says “I don't have the heart to kill him twice.”
</pre>

=Part four=

<pre>
Inside the Sacred Tower
The interior is filled with crude furniture which has been tossed around quite a lot, probably when the tower was flooded. The rickety staircase is still useable, although from what you can see there isn't much left upstairs.
You can see 1 outsider. You recognise neozeak .
Jesus says “Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun outsider, RUN! We are the Wicksick Headhunters and we are having a ritual, and it is our island! The ancestors long for your blood. RUN! Or we will have to sacrifice you!!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “you shouldn't be here. Our ritual is secret and sacred, you are NOT allowed to see any of it. Show some respect for native culture and leave, do not tell anyone of this, and keep your life. RUN!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “DID YOU HEAR ME? RUN, I say, WOE WOE WOE...” in the outsider tongue.
neozeak gives you 1 gold coin.
Emile Durkheim says “Iä! Iä! Iä! Yog Sothoth! Iä! Iä! Iä! Shub Niggurath! Iä”
Jesus says “Hi ED Great you found your way here. we have a problem with this outsider who is hiding in the tower. I warned him! I told him to leave! I said he is not meant to see our secret and sacred ritual. ”
Jesus says “I said WOE WOE WOE... and he is still here. ”
lama says “Emile! Nice to see you! *bangs welcomeful tune*”
Jesus says “hey you.... you wanna die? right? you want it? we are going to sacrifice you!!! your head will be a fine trophy!” in the outsider tongue.
lama says “You should sacrifice him! I think he already spent nuff time here! *bangs decapitating melody* bang ba ba bang bang chop bang”
Emile Durkheim says “*kicks the drum tap tap tap tap* sacrifice is always good. did you listen to the gods already?”
Entropy says “My sign has been erected.”
Entropy says “*starts dance to the beat ofthe drums once again*”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang bang bam bababang bang bam bam* dance Entropy, dance!”
lama says “*bam bang ba bam bang bam bang bang bam bam*”
neozeak says “Stop hitting me Jesus, I am just searching up there...not hurting anyone including you”
Jesus says “what kind of idiot are these explorers? I went up that tower three times and told him in his language that it is our island and he is disturbing our secret & sacred ritual. I mean three times! ”
Jesus says “I threatened him, told him we gonna sacrifice him and all that. Is he stupid? Why can't these outsiders not recognize native land rights? ”
Jesus says “say guy, are you really that ignoring? I asked you politely to leave, you are not meant to see our ritual. Better acknowledge native land rights and leave. I was trying to protect you, there are nine ” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “wicksick natives down there, that are longing for you head. It is nothing personal, we like explorers, but not now and not here! DO YOU GET ME? ATOMIZE YERSELF NOW!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “apart from taht here are only crabs and driftwood to find... expect no belongings but death to come....” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “*goes away whisteling in advanced joy of the fine ritual sacrifice...*” in the outsider tongue.
Foo Fighter says “Well I told him he can stay as long as he hurts no one - didn't we want tourists and fun and stuff? Well then, I am the first one to take his head if he looks funny.....”
lama says “I told that outsider that he must leave in 12 hrs. Time start :D”
lama says “Emile, you should make a statue for yourself so we are all remembered!”
Jesus says “Ouga and Futraks Memorial is still missing, too....”
Jesus says “plus is everyone ok with our policiy towards the outsider? Or should we let him stay? Maybe he has seen parts of the ritual which are not for uninitiated ones? maybe not? I dunno”
neozeak says “I'm not watching your rituals...but I'll leave anyway, or atleast get off the island before you kill me...i don't think i have enough AP to cross the deep water...have fun gents”
Otago says “The ancestors have driven away the outsider...say, was he the one that knocked down all our signs?”
Otago says “Hey, the signs are there...We just can't see them! They're...phantom signs!”
Jesus says “yes, otago, you should take more of these mushrooms. I think the outsider didn't get the meaning of our ritual. his very appearance makes him interrupt and so. We should have the ritual culmination to”
Jesus says “to able to welcome tourists again.”
Emile Durkheim says “*starts building a statue* well, it won't be very elaborated... :)”
</pre>

=Part five=

<pre>
Blood gets spilled and the ancestors just keep on speaking....
lama says “Futrak, are you feeling the wicksickness covering you? Do you feel special? Do you feel urge to collect? *bangs bang ban ba bam bang bam bang bam babang bam bang bam*”
Foo Fighter says “YES FUTRAK FUTRAK FUTRAK OH HE IS A GOOD NATIVE WE SENSE THE WICKSICKNESS OH YES HEYA HEYA HEYA HEEE”
Foo Fighter says “WE GO AND MAKE FUTRAK A SIGN NOW SOUTH WEST”
Foo Fighter says “WHO HAS NO SIGN YET WHO. Tell me what you want written on it and I make it right away.”
Futrak says “My great bearded statue gives me ultimate strength. I thank you greatly for the honourable construction.”
Jesus says “ got fruit?”
Foo Fighter says “Yay brothers, look what I have! A PIRATE HEAD freash from the deep water! Hooray!”
lama says “It doesn't smell fresh to me... yucky pirates!”
Otago says “Stinkin' pirates.”
Otago says “I got a new head to.! An outsider to the southwest gave me his!”
Otago says “((*new head, too!" I'm not really that bad at spelling))”
lama says “Good for you, as I am terribly terrible! *bangs some antiorthographic tunes*”
Skull Face says “Hello all! Finally! Those bloody sharks! Anyone spare some healing herbs?”
Jesus says “yay and welcome skullface Are you excited because of your upcoming initiation?”
Foo Fighter says “Hey there, welcome Skull Face! If you are short on driftwood for your memorial, you can also tell me what to write and where to put it and I do it. :-)” (2007-06-08 13:40)
Skull Face says “Just found 2 pieces so I'm off to build :)”
Wambayak says “*opens a bottle of beer. passing it to the left* Here we go the ancestors charged this island with chilled brown liquid! go 3sq south and dig a hole!*opens another one, passes it to the right*”
Wambayak says “*opens a bottle. taking more than a sip. burps* Yes Entropy! Dance! Dance! Dance! *drinks* Roll your hips! move your chest! make your special move! Show your ti....*falls backward* muave! Dänz! ....”
Jesus says “the ancestores sent the requested beer! Their ears are open! Since the outsider is gone they listen to us again, not long and another sacred animal should appear.”
Jesus says “dim dimm dididiiiiiiidiiiiiiii deeeeeeeeee diidididiiiiiiiiiiii *screams in aching high tones*”
lama says “It looks I got 2 statues! Thank you! *Bangs on the bongos so Entropy can do some more machete dance moves and show her ti... talents* Dance! *bang ba bam bang babang*”
lama says “*opens up a bottle of brown liquid and passes it to Entropy* Here you go, Sister *bang ba bang bam bang bam bang bambam ba bang*”
Jesus says “where is Otago? I cannot find him? ”
Jesus says “did the ancestors take him to a ritual plane?”
Skull Face says “Don't look at me. I only kill outsiders... and Marvin... and Isaac... and Armadox.... * dances a war dance and displayes his most recent trophy head http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1267 *”
Foo Fighter says “Hey, look at the south, I finished the Walk of Fame of our headhunting contests!”
Skull Face says “You have indeed been busy. Here, have some mushrooms :E * hands out dried sacred mushrooms to all concerned *”
Otago says “Have the ancestors told us where we should collect more heads now?”
Ougadougou says “I think I will put up more signs, but I will keep my eye out for heads, I love collecting heads for the ancestors.”
Jesus says “wowow. I guess it is time now to bring the ritual to its culmination”
Foo Fighter says “11 NATIVES OH MY ANCESTORS THE REAL RITUAL CAN BEGIN”
Foo Fighter says “HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Foo Fighter says “Wait, where is little Togu?”
Skull Face says “He's not in the tower, I just looked. I'll do a quick scout.”
Skull Face says “I walked the entire perimeter. He's not on the island :(”
Jesus says “so we wait for little togu? Is it certain that he will appear or is the slimy being still chewing on him?”
Skull Face says “Searching here, so far I've found a healing herb, tasty berries, poison berries, banana, mango and loaded rifles. Anyone found anything else of note?”
Jesus says “beeeeer! brown liquided liquid! It comes out of the earth at 2 steps south from here! I swear, the ancestors sent it! ”
Skull Face says “I looked. Seems the ancestors have sent me machetes and knives instead of beer.”
Jesus says “but you were a good headhunter, mh... maybe they want to tell us something? ”
Jesus says “Oh ancestors, give us holy fuel for our ritual so we can delight you with heads and music”
Jesus says “*recites* Oh ancestors, theeeeeeeee ritual ain't over noooo nononono there is still more to come. Send us an outsider, send us a boar...”
Jesus says “Ougadougou, Futrak, Foo Fighter, Wambayak, Escariot, Emile Durkheim, Entropy, lama, Otago, Skull Face and Jesus are here gathered as one. ”
Jesus says “lama is gone! THE ANCESTORS HAVE TAKEN HIM TO THEM! THEY ARE GIVING HIM THEIR MESSAGES FOR US! BEHOLD!”
Jesus says “Oh Ancestors, heyja heyja! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee send us your blessings, send us your wisdom!”
Entropy says “Send us more outsiders to behead!”
Emile Durkheim says “looks very fine around here. may some outies come here and leave their heads. shall we build up a fine cemetary or better: an altair of sacrifice?”
lama says “Whha... What happened?”
Foo Fighter says “OH THE ANCESTORS SENT LAMA BACK!!!!!”
Foo Fighter says “What messages do you bring, messenger?”
Jesus says “lama is here again, doesn't the pink look more shiny? Have you seen the light? What is the ancestors’ message for us? What are we going to do? Will they send what we asked for?
Jesus says “Can you remeber anything? Maybe we need hypnosis so you can reproduce your findings? Here, take some water. You must be exhausted.”
Skull Face says “Oh ancestors. Please send some more Aminita Muscaria!”
Entropy says “Water will not do. lama must have some of the fine liquid from one of the brown bottles.”
Entropy says “*passes lama a full brown bottle*”
Ougadougou says “Snake? Snake?”
Ougadougou kills Solid Snake.
Ougadougou says “Snaaaaaake!”
Ougadougou says “I will now offer the head as a sacrifice!" He puts the head in the middle of the circle of natives and begins placing driftwood around it. "They will bless WickSick island with this head!”
Ougadougou says “I will now light a fire using only a crab and a sharpening stone!" He then proceeds to do just that. "Let us enjoy this fire and let the ancestors enjoy the smoke of the outsider head!”
Jesus says “Fine Ouga The ancestors send more collectables! An outsider-head was just found two SW from here....”
Jesus says “A mighty fire. Yes Ouga, burn it”
Foo Fighter says “HEYA HEYA HEYA THANK YOU ANCESTORS!”
Foo Fighter says “*adores the head and falls over from brown stuff, mushrooms, herbs and the overall intensity of the ritual*”
Jesus says “throws an insane amount of herbs into the fire! listen to the sparkling of the fire. Come close, sister and brothers.”
Otago says “The ancestors provided me with a bottle of brown liquid, too! It almost makes up for the lack of heads to the north and east.”
Skull Face says “In addition to mushrooms I have 6 brought bricks of weed, taken from a crashed outsider flying machine. It burns well * throws a couple of kilos on the fire and huffs massive lungfuls *”
Skull Face says “OH ANCESTORS! SEND MORE OUTSIDERS! WE GROW WEAK FOR THE LACK OF TROPHY HEADS! ”
lama says “Ah...”
lama says “Ancestors have spoken to me...”
lama says “they said”
lama says “COLLECT!”
lama says “They also said, that we must announce this place our sacred ground. I asked: why, oh why, Ancestors, dirty feet of palesmellers are to stomp on our land again?”
lama says “"We must keep it secret" I said"
lama says “And then they have spoken again”
lama says “BLOODBATH WILL CLEAN THE FOOTPRINTS YOU CANNOT SEE. ANNOUNCE AND COLLECT!”
lama says “BRING THE FRUIT TO THE GARDEN!”
lama says “SO SWEET THIRSTY MACHETES OF YOURS DRINK SWEET JUICE OF THEIR ORGANIC LIQUIDS”
lama says “WHILE YOU STICK TO BROWN LIQUIDS AND HERBS, MUSHROOMS AND BERRIES”
lama says “YOU MUST SHOW THEM THOUSANDS YOU ARE NOT AFRAID!”
lama says “OH, AND BTW, ASK ENTROPY TO DANCE AGAIN”
lama says “...and then I woke up... *swills down a bottle o' brown liquid and starts banging on the bongos again"”
lama says “I banished a spirit from the tower, was that a friend of ours or just a translucent trespasser?”
Ougadougou says “The ancestors indeed want more heads! They came to me in my sleep after those bales were thrown on the fire and said the head I gave them is good but they want many more.”
Ougadougou says “Much as I want many more bottles of that wonderful brown liquid!”
Foo Fighter says “Brothers and Sisters! Almost the whole island is covered, let's put on the finishing touches! Get some driftwood from up the tower and make it complete!” (2007-06-12 22:58)
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=Part six=

<pre>
More newcomers, sacrifices and songs....
Zool says “Hi everybody!”
Otago says “Greetings, Zool! My brother...sister...sibling!”
Jesus says “Zool, hi Will you take part in the ritual?”
Jesus says “that was a mighty fire. So maybe we should calm it down a bit and then take on the final stage of the ritual.”
Jesus says “I went for a walk all these signposts are truly entertaining. GREAT WORK :D”
Jesus says “*starts mumbling a little melody* mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh mh mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “a hm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “ayeeeeeeee hu hu hu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mhmhmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmhm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “Outsider! Tenebrae, the ancestors send you! praise them!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “ayeeeeeeee hu hu hu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mhmhmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmhm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “dammit, now he ran away.....”
Jesus says “Yay headhunters. Another one collected! The ancestors sent him while I was chanting. *shows the head of tenebrae on a pile* ”
Jesus says “*cries out loudly* THANKS FOR SHOWING US THE WAY! uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu uhuhuhuhuhu mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “ mmmm mmmmm mmmmmmmmm uuug´huhuhuuhuhu huhu mm m m mmmm m m m m m *jumps through fire* mmmmh m ayeeeeeeeeee mmmmmmmm *rolls on ground* mmmmm uuuuu eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *fades out*”
Zool says “on shanti....mmmmmaaaaaaahhhhhhoooooohhhhaahhhhhh.......hoooodeeeeehiiiiiiddeeeeeeeehoooooooooooooo.......”
Zool says “hooooooooolaaaaaawaaaaaalaaaaaaawooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh”
Entropy says “*Starts to dance in and around the group while aking swigs from a new brown bottle*”
Entropy says “Welcome to the circle Zool!”
Foo Fighter says “Welcome ZOOL!!! I made you a memorial signpost at one west and two south. The island is almost covered now!”
Zool says “Well thanks Foo Fighter, and everyone! What a nice surprise, who'd a thunk!”
Zool says “Ooohlaaaaoooohhllaaaaaooooooohhllaaaaa....Hhnnnaaahhh hnnnaahhh. It clears the sinuses! Ahhh!!”
Skull Face says “ANCESTORS! My arm grows restless! Send me an outsider plaything!" ** starts banging a heavy dub beat on the log drums ** "Father! Father! FAAAAATHER!!!”
Skull Face says “If they say "Why, why" tell 'em that it's human nature!”
Skull Face says “The ancestors have heard me! An outsider! I can hear my machete screaming in joy!!! COme brothers and sisters, join me in the bloodfest!! ** runs N, grinning madly, eyes gleaming ** KIIIIILL!!!”
Skull Face says “Ahah!" ** Holds up the head of Dr Livingstone http://www.philosoph.us/misc/shartak/underworld/?id=8966 ** "Thank you ancestors!"”
Skull Face says “Accept my offering!" ** tosses outsider head onto the fire and smiles at the sizzling sound and roast pork smell ** "Send more outsiders!"
Jesus says “Oh my, the ancestors are giving so plenty to us, never before such a big ritual has been witnessed”
Wambayak says “*stands up, and looks confused into the gathered round* Real world?”
Wambayak says “Oh my, Oh my....Ancestors are very pleased about the ritual. They will dliver more goods for more hes”
Wambayak says “*turns his heads 360 degrees round*...heads!heads!heads!!!”
Wambayak says “*opens a bottle of brown liquid and begins to chant* head and head and head, wicksick is the right thread, white face not at the right place, take heads, decapitate.”
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=Part seven=

<pre>
The bloodbath starts to get even more bloody....
Foo Fighter says “WHAAAAAA - THE ANCESTORS GRANTED ME 88 AP OMG”
Skull Face says “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! The Old Ones have sent me a monkey claw! Am I blessed or cursed? What will this monkey claw do for me?”
Wambayak says “The ancetors heard us! pirate north! outsider NE! Yippiehhhhh! ”
Wambayak says “*starts whirling around with a fresh cutted head blood spoiling everyone around!*”
Wambayak says “uhhuu! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAncetors this smelly pale called kilshrek is for you ! Uuuuuhuhuuhuhhuhuuh! *takes a bottle of brown liquid*”
Wambayak says “*opens it to cover the head wit it`s content* Uhhhuuhuhuhuhuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *starts whirling around again. An emulsion of blood and brown liquid spoils everyone even more*”
Cthulhu says “FHTAGN?”
Cthulhu kills Futrak.
Cthulhu kills Skull Face.
Cthulhu says “Oh hang on! This isn't the "Misunderstood Calamari" gathering is it? Sorry... I best be moving on. Enjoy your party peoples FHTAGN!!!”
You hear Skull Face let out a banshee wail coming from all around you.
Zool says “Outsider lurking to the SE in the water's edge...I'm out of AP”
Entropy says “The Ancestors have another head!”
Entropy says “*holds up a pirates head and dances around the gathered with it*”
Entropy says “Hmmm there seems to be a spirit here. If it isn't one of us it must be banished”
The ghostly voice of Skull Face whispers “My spirit cries out for revenge upon Cthulhu and SolidSnake for interrupting our ceremony!”
Foo Fighter says “Oh no, did a brother die here? REVENGE! Also, I killed a Derby soldier, they are coming! PREPARE FOR THE TAKING OF A LOT OF HEADS! WHEE!”
Jesus says “SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Wambayak says “Oh Ancestors! We need your blessings, waves of white scum is threading our wickedandsick souls! *opens a bottle brown liquid* Wish that I had some herbs with me! It´s better for fighting. *drinks*”
Wambayak says “oh ancestors say should we patrol?*sips a bit andspits it out again* No one on the tower! we all could hide up there or somewhere else?”
Wambayak says “I´m out of Interesting Points to make. So I´ll try to have a little talk with the ancestors! see you in 2+1.5 h ”
Wambayak says “*empties the bottle and sleeps away*”
Jesus says “Derby is doomed! Doomed I say!”
Wambayak says “Di da da doomed! Di da da doomed! da da da da smells like dommed! ”
Wambayak says “Errrr....doomed!*opens another bottle of brown liquid!*”
lama says “http://www.philosoph.us/misc/shartak/underworld/?id=5321 *bangs on the bongos*”
Wambayak says “I´m wounded! but no outsiders in the NW and none in the SE”
Ougadougou says “The ancestors demand vengeance on Cthulhu for disturbing the sacred rights”
Ougadougou starts acting very strangely.
Otago says “The distant ones require you to fertilise the soil with the sacred liquids”
Otago starts acting very strangely.
Otago says “beer and rum"
lama says “Here, brother. Hope you feel better now. *bangs some jazzy improvisations on the bongos"”
Escariot performs a successful exorcism ritual and casts 1 spirit away from here.
Zool says “2 Outsiders - 2 spaces SW, then west to water's edge”
Willis kills Zool.
Entropy says “Ancestors! I give you the head of RobZombie!”
Entropy says “I have 7 herbs for healing left my brothers.”
Otago returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely.
lama says “We need reinforcements or other way we are going to get ridden out of here soon”
Foo Fighter says “Zooooool! REVENGE!”
The ghostly voice of Zool whispers “WiiillliiiissssssssssGRRRRRRR. Ahem.”
The ghostly voice of Zool whispers “Crap, I take a nap and look what happens.”
Otago says “Willis is dead (ID 8055). It occurs to me that we might be making things to easy on the Derbians by sleeping in one spot.”
Wambayak says “Ah jesus spare those for the outsider east of island!”
Wambayak says “earr...mean for the way back!”
Wambayak says “sharks....! But I gonna go hunt now!”
lama says “hello brothers. When do we start operation BloodStorm? ;)”
Jesus says “Is anyone ready for having the ritual tonight? After that we could go straight to Derby/ revive at the next shaman...”
Skull Face says “Fine by me. I have a few new targets from the Hospitalers and the Rangers :E”
Henri6 says “Hello.”
Jesus says “Hello Henri6, so you found your way here. Welcome. We are holding our most important ritual cycles here. Maybe tonight the big business is about to take place.”
...and then the outsiders came...
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'''Log''' 
''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part one|Part one]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part two|Part two]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part three|Part three]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part four|Part four]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part five|Part five]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part six|Part six]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part seven|Part seven]]''

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=Island log=

=Part one=

<pre>
Ritual business gets slowly started....
Foo Fighter says “Native rituals never have a definite beginning and ending so we can start casually and they join up!”
Foo Fighter says “*starts to beat the drums*”
Foo Fighter says “*puts some more crabs in the hole and falls backwards, eyes rolling up.*”
Foo Fighter says “7 NATIVES BENEATH A HIGH TOWER HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYAH HEYAH”
Foo Fighter says “AND THEY GOT HEAD OH YES MANY MANY HEADS HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Foo Fighter says “LOOK AT ALL THEIR SHRUNKEN HEADS OH THOSE WICKSICKS MAKE US PROUD HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Foo Fighter says “WHAT DO THEY NEED?”
Foo Fighter says “BROWN STUFF BROWN STUFF BROWN STUFF HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA HEEEE”
Foo Fighter says “*crawls back in an upright position, still shaking*”
Foo Fighter says “The prophecies come a plenty these days! This is truly a sacred tower!”
Otago says “Brothers and sisters! The ancestors smile upon us!" Otago holds up a head. "A Dorkman in the tower provided us with his head to start the ritual!”
Escariot performs a successful exorcism ritual and casts 2 spirits away from here.
lama says “Is little togu a real headhunter? I will ask him to come right away then”
Wambayak says “*takes two bones and an elephant skull* Ready for the rhythm?”
Wambayak says “*begins to play* tchk`tack, tch`tch tchack, tack`tch`tack....”
Wambayak says “*sings* the herbs, the liquid! Oh praise my father! Oh praise my mother! Oh praise the jungle! ”
lama says “Little Togu will be here if he can make it”
lama says “whatever that means *laughs"”
lama says “*takes his ritual bongos and starts baning* bang ba ba bang ba bang ba ba bang ba*”
Foo Fighter says “OOOOH BROTHER OTAGO SHOW YOUR PRIZE HEYA HEYA HEYA HEYA YOU TOOK IT FROM THE TOWER”
Foo Fighter says “THE TOWER GIVES AND NOURISHES US TOMORROW THERE WILL BE BROWN STUFF HEYA HEYA HEYA"
Foo Fighter says “*welcomes brother futrak who dropped by from famous DALPOK!*”
Foo Fighter says “The crab hole is ready, nothing else fits in! So now let's boil them crabs in the earth oven!”
lama says “*pours some brown liquid on the ground* ANCESTORS! TAKE THIS CRAB SOUP TO PLEASE YOU SO OUR RITUAL WILL BE RITUALLISTIC AND PLEASING TO YOU AS THIS SOUP IS! *keeps banging on the bongos*”
lama says “Escarito, mi amigo *rolls eyes and mumbles some more* *bang ba ba bang, bang ba ba bang bang bang BANG bang*”
Futrak says “Send us Ebirah, Terror of the Deep to reclaim our glorious kingdom!”
Futrak says “< bashes bottles together enthusiastically >”
lama says “A beer, ah? Yay! *bang ba ba bang bang*”
Entropy says “*starts in the native bellydancing style*”
Jesus says “the ancestors say you should attack me a bit! otherwise, they say I cannot find the gourds with the salty water in my belongings *shrugs*”
Jesus says “Oh, and they say you should pray for the sacred liquids so they will pour them into the earth”
Jesus says “chants... ei eieieieieieieieie ancestors, we came a long way here, we need the beer, eieieieoooooooooooooooo um um”
Jesus says “the water is salty it does not nourish ancestors we beg, don't leave us poorish”
Jesus says “oh ei oh ei oh ei oh ei how can we sway? ”
Wambayak says “TcktckTacktacktatacktack tch”
Wambayak says “Liquid ! Brown ! oieieieieieieieie Oi Oi Oi !”
Wambayak says “bodybreaks! tchktchk tack tack! Gime Herbs! Gimme Herbs! oi oieieieieiei trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtchtatartack”
Foo Fighter says “Oooooooooh THE ANCESTORS ARE SOOOOOO PLEASED Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!”
Foo Fighter says “We made them nice signposts now everyone can see what is going on oh yes oh yesh HEYA HEYA HEAY”
Foo Fighter says “Let's surround this tower with more signposts them say! ”
Foo Fighter says “8 WICKSIKCS 8 SQUARES!”
Foo Fighter says “Each signpost will signify a huge stone statue of one of them 8 Wicksicks here oh yeah”
Foo Fighter says “*falls over babbling,like so often*”
Foo Fighter says “ANCESTORS SPOKE AND WE MUST HURRY”
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=Part two=

<pre>
A stag, a tiger and maybe a squid....
Jesus says “See! A large stag, the ancestors have given us a large stag. I'll bring it here. We can see how long it'll stay with us and give the ancestors room to talk through it.”
Jesus says “you see this eyes, they ain't normal. this is an intelligible stag. The ancestors forgave us for not caring for the sacred monkey. the give us a seconde chance!”
Jesus says “I made contact with our sacred brother, it may come now.”
lama says “Sacred stag! Oh thank you Ancestors! I will bang for you some more *bangs some more on the bongos*”
lama says “Oh, I see the light coming out of my hands and now brother Escariot is wounded no more! Ooooh, great is the power of Ancestors! ”
lama says “*bang ba bang baba ba bang ba ba bang bang bam*”
lama says “But why, oh why, Ancestors, there was not enough light in my hands to heal brother Otago! Shall we sacrifice some more palefaces to gain the inner light? *bam bang bam bang ba bam bam bam*”
Ougadougou says “Greetings fellow headhunters! Have I missed anything?”
lama says “nothing special, some crab-earth-soup sacrification, a little bit of chanting and a little bit of music. ritual pre-ritual *bangs on the bongos*”
Foo Fighter says “IT IS OUGADOUGOU! WELCOME BROTHER!”
Foo Fighter says “Oh, and news reach me that Escariot killed the holy stag!”
Foo Fighter says “*me starts babbling again and falls over*
Foo Fighter says “HEYA HEY HEAY 9 NATIVES BENEATH A TOWER HEYA HEYA HEYA”
Jesus says “no no no no! Escariot killed the holy stag. And now he is looking weird at me! ”
Jesus says “Ancestors give us another stag, or a monkey, or an elephant.”
Jesus says “we should install the wicksick walk of fame now. the ancestors may judge then.”
Jesus says “greets to Ouga aswell. You will multiply the power of our wishes. RUM, BEER & HEADS”
lama says “AND CRABS AND HERBS!”
lama says “quite a bunch here,,, when do we start then?”
Escariot says “Yes, it is true. I did kill the Stag. It wasnt holy, it was an imposter!”
Jesus says “and what about this tiger? it seems the ancestors want us to nourish and tame him.”
lama says “I have never heard of sacred holy tigers. I say it is a rug to be for our ritual!”
Wambayak says “Perhaps the ancestors wan to force us to start with business”
Jesus says “pre-festivities are part of the business :)”
Jesus says “surely the ancestors care for us and show us where they hid the wells of brown liquid!”
Jesus says “and I'm not kidding”
Foo Fighter says “A TIGER A TIGER OH HEYA HEYA HEYA THE PROPHECIES CAME TRUE”
Foo Fighter says “THE ANCESTORS SEND THIS TIGER LET US NOT HURT HIM OR ONLY A LITTLE YOU KNOW AND BE KIND TO THE TIGER AND PET IT AND HE IS LIKE THE SYMBOL OF LIFE AND DEATH AND FERTILITY AND ALL THIS STUFF IT'S VERY"
Foo Fighter says “COMPLICATED I TELL YOU”
Foo Fighter says “I started the memorial signposts! Best driftwood up in the tower! Get to work, brethren!”
Entropy kills the tiger.
Entropy says “The Ancestors have sent a tiger to us and it choose to scar me.”
Entropy says “I see this as a sign that the ancestors have chosen me to sacrifice the tiger and I have done so.”
Entropy says “I present to you my brothers the head of the tiger, was was killed and beheaded by my own hand and machete..”
Entropy says “*presents the head to the gathered headhunteres.*”
Otago says “Next time, I hope the ancestors send a parrot. They don't hit as hard.”
lama says “We already had sacred monkey, sacred boar and sacred tiger. I hope little togu appears with sacred squids, which would the awesomeness. Wicksick Squid with machetes in tentacles.... *starts mumbling*”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang bang bam bababang bang bam bam* ancestors say DANCE!”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang* ancestors say: WHEN YOU DONE WITH RELAXING WE HAVE A MISSION FOR YOU *bang ba ba bam ba ba bang bam bang*”
lama says “*mumbles*”
Wambayak says “Oh ancestors send us a squid! send us a squid!”
Wambayak says “*takes a crab and bites her head off*. brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! a squid! a squid!”
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=Part three=

<pre>
An Explorer makes an appearance...
neozeak says “Not here to hurt anyone...just exploring/searching...please don't kill me like you did last time Otago I am not your enemy, just a humble explorer”
Since your last move:
Wambayak says “there`s an outsider 15sq sth. west amd slightly north.”
Wambayak says “sth. = something not south! : )”
Jesus says “if his name is neozeak he was just here in your abscence, wamba, to beg for letting him go .... you know, the kind of "peacefully exploring" talk talk talk”
Jesus says “Nice signs everybody A very very walk of fame, tourists surely enjoy. Only two squares left in the inner circle. go for it ”
Jesus says “sigh... only beer is missing”
Foo Fighter says “The FRIENDLY OUTSIDER is up in the tower, be kind to him! Also, what beautiful signs you made! Entropy, Ougadougou, hush and erect some as well!”
Foo Fighter says “*innuendo rimshot*”
Foo Fighter says “Ummm, where was that OTHER outsider again?”
Ougadougou says “I have made some signs, we must identify the island.”
Ougadougou says “The ancestors put me in a deep sleep but did not reveal anything to me during it.”
Ougadougou says “But I have awakened with a vigor for building these signs...”
lama says “Friendly explorers killing natives? We should sacrifice him so Ancestors decide what to do, and his state must be change to EX-EXPLORER! *keeps banging soulful tunes on the bongos* DANCE, BROS & SIS!”
lama says “If may I add, quite an island we have here. Oh. wait... Ancestors have spoken... *turns his eyes out and starts speaking with not so lama voice*”
lama says “*also, his banging becomes more spophisticated, like 14/16, buddy rich no crack*”
lama says “ANCESTORS HAVE SPOKEN” (2007-06-04 21:51)
lama says “THEY WANT US TO DRINK BROWN LIQUIDS AND SACRIFICE SACRED ANIMALS AND NOT SO SACRED VISITORS”
lama says “AND THEN DRINK SOME”
lama says “*back to his normal voice* ekhm, what was that?”
lama says “*starts some hula tunes* bang ba bang bam bam bang ba bam bang”
Otago says “I heard something about drinking.”
Otago says “Would someone go upstairs and explain to the outsider that he'd better leave before someone kills him again. He doesn't understand me.”
Otago says “I don't have the heart to kill him twice.”
</pre>

=Part four=

<pre>
Inside the Sacred Tower
The interior is filled with crude furniture which has been tossed around quite a lot, probably when the tower was flooded. The rickety staircase is still useable, although from what you can see there isn't much left upstairs.
You can see 1 outsider. You recognise neozeak .
Jesus says “Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun outsider, RUN! We are the Wicksick Headhunters and we are having a ritual, and it is our island! The ancestors long for your blood. RUN! Or we will have to sacrifice you!!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “you shouldn't be here. Our ritual is secret and sacred, you are NOT allowed to see any of it. Show some respect for native culture and leave, do not tell anyone of this, and keep your life. RUN!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “DID YOU HEAR ME? RUN, I say, WOE WOE WOE...” in the outsider tongue.
neozeak gives you 1 gold coin.
Emile Durkheim says “Iä! Iä! Iä! Yog Sothoth! Iä! Iä! Iä! Shub Niggurath! Iä”
Jesus says “Hi ED Great you found your way here. we have a problem with this outsider who is hiding in the tower. I warned him! I told him to leave! I said he is not meant to see our secret and sacred ritual. ”
Jesus says “I said WOE WOE WOE... and he is still here. ”
lama says “Emile! Nice to see you! *bangs welcomeful tune*”
Jesus says “hey you.... you wanna die? right? you want it? we are going to sacrifice you!!! your head will be a fine trophy!” in the outsider tongue.
lama says “You should sacrifice him! I think he already spent nuff time here! *bangs decapitating melody* bang ba ba bang bang chop bang”
Emile Durkheim says “*kicks the drum tap tap tap tap* sacrifice is always good. did you listen to the gods already?”
Entropy says “My sign has been erected.”
Entropy says “*starts dance to the beat ofthe drums once again*”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang bang bam bababang bang bam bam* dance Entropy, dance!”
lama says “*bam bang ba bam bang bam bang bang bam bam*”
neozeak says “Stop hitting me Jesus, I am just searching up there...not hurting anyone including you”
Jesus says “what kind of idiot are these explorers? I went up that tower three times and told him in his language that it is our island and he is disturbing our secret & sacred ritual. I mean three times! ”
Jesus says “I threatened him, told him we gonna sacrifice him and all that. Is he stupid? Why can't these outsiders not recognize native land rights? ”
Jesus says “say guy, are you really that ignoring? I asked you politely to leave, you are not meant to see our ritual. Better acknowledge native land rights and leave. I was trying to protect you, there are nine ” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “wicksick natives down there, that are longing for you head. It is nothing personal, we like explorers, but not now and not here! DO YOU GET ME? ATOMIZE YERSELF NOW!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “apart from taht here are only crabs and driftwood to find... expect no belongings but death to come....” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “*goes away whisteling in advanced joy of the fine ritual sacrifice...*” in the outsider tongue.
Foo Fighter says “Well I told him he can stay as long as he hurts no one - didn't we want tourists and fun and stuff? Well then, I am the first one to take his head if he looks funny.....”
lama says “I told that outsider that he must leave in 12 hrs. Time start :D”
lama says “Emile, you should make a statue for yourself so we are all remembered!”
Jesus says “Ouga and Futraks Memorial is still missing, too....”
Jesus says “plus is everyone ok with our policiy towards the outsider? Or should we let him stay? Maybe he has seen parts of the ritual which are not for uninitiated ones? maybe not? I dunno”
neozeak says “I'm not watching your rituals...but I'll leave anyway, or atleast get off the island before you kill me...i don't think i have enough AP to cross the deep water...have fun gents”
Otago says “The ancestors have driven away the outsider...say, was he the one that knocked down all our signs?”
Otago says “Hey, the signs are there...We just can't see them! They're...phantom signs!”
Jesus says “yes, otago, you should take more of these mushrooms. I think the outsider didn't get the meaning of our ritual. his very appearance makes him interrupt and so. We should have the ritual culmination to”
Jesus says “to able to welcome tourists again.”
Emile Durkheim says “*starts building a statue* well, it won't be very elaborated... :)”
</pre>

=Part five=

<pre>
Inside the Sacred Tower
The interior is filled with crude furniture which has been tossed around quite a lot, probably when the tower was flooded. The rickety staircase is still useable, although from what you can see there isn't much left upstairs.
You can see 1 outsider. You recognise neozeak .
Jesus says “Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun outsider, RUN! We are the Wicksick Headhunters and we are having a ritual, and it is our island! The ancestors long for your blood. RUN! Or we will have to sacrifice you!!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “you shouldn't be here. Our ritual is secret and sacred, you are NOT allowed to see any of it. Show some respect for native culture and leave, do not tell anyone of this, and keep your life. RUN!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “DID YOU HEAR ME? RUN, I say, WOE WOE WOE...” in the outsider tongue.
neozeak gives you 1 gold coin.
Emile Durkheim says “Iä! Iä! Iä! Yog Sothoth! Iä! Iä! Iä! Shub Niggurath! Iä”
Jesus says “Hi ED Great you found your way here. we have a problem with this outsider who is hiding in the tower. I warned him! I told him to leave! I said he is not meant to see our secret and sacred ritual. ”
Jesus says “I said WOE WOE WOE... and he is still here. ”
lama says “Emile! Nice to see you! *bangs welcomeful tune*”
Jesus says “hey you.... you wanna die? right? you want it? we are going to sacrifice you!!! your head will be a fine trophy!” in the outsider tongue.
lama says “You should sacrifice him! I think he already spent nuff time here! *bangs decapitating melody* bang ba ba bang bang chop bang”
Emile Durkheim says “*kicks the drum tap tap tap tap* sacrifice is always good. did you listen to the gods already?”
Entropy says “My sign has been erected.”
Entropy says “*starts dance to the beat ofthe drums once again*”
lama says “*bang ba ba bang bang bam bababang bang bam bam* dance Entropy, dance!”
lama says “*bam bang ba bam bang bam bang bang bam bam*”
neozeak says “Stop hitting me Jesus, I am just searching up there...not hurting anyone including you”
Jesus says “what kind of idiot are these explorers? I went up that tower three times and told him in his language that it is our island and he is disturbing our secret & sacred ritual. I mean three times! ”
Jesus says “I threatened him, told him we gonna sacrifice him and all that. Is he stupid? Why can't these outsiders not recognize native land rights? ”
Jesus says “say guy, are you really that ignoring? I asked you politely to leave, you are not meant to see our ritual. Better acknowledge native land rights and leave. I was trying to protect you, there are nine ” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “wicksick natives down there, that are longing for you head. It is nothing personal, we like explorers, but not now and not here! DO YOU GET ME? ATOMIZE YERSELF NOW!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “apart from taht here are only crabs and driftwood to find... expect no belongings but death to come....” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “*goes away whisteling in advanced joy of the fine ritual sacrifice...*” in the outsider tongue.
Foo Fighter says “Well I told him he can stay as long as he hurts no one - didn't we want tourists and fun and stuff? Well then, I am the first one to take his head if he looks funny.....”
lama says “I told that outsider that he must leave in 12 hrs. Time start :D”
lama says “Emile, you should make a statue for yourself so we are all remembered!”
Jesus says “Ouga and Futraks Memorial is still missing, too....”
Jesus says “plus is everyone ok with our policiy towards the outsider? Or should we let him stay? Maybe he has seen parts of the ritual which are not for uninitiated ones? maybe not? I dunno”
neozeak says “I'm not watching your rituals...but I'll leave anyway, or atleast get off the island before you kill me...i don't think i have enough AP to cross the deep water...have fun gents”
Otago says “The ancestors have driven away the outsider...say, was he the one that knocked down all our signs?”
Otago says “Hey, the signs are there...We just can't see them! They're...phantom signs!”
Jesus says “yes, otago, you should take more of these mushrooms. I think the outsider didn't get the meaning of our ritual. his very appearance makes him interrupt and so. We should have the ritual culmination to”
Jesus says “to able to welcome tourists again.”
Emile Durkheim says “*starts building a statue* well, it won't be very elaborated... :)”
</pre>

=Part six=

<pre>
More newcomers, sacrifices and songs....
Zool says “Hi everybody!”
Otago says “Greetings, Zool! My brother...sister...sibling!”
Jesus says “Zool, hi Will you take part in the ritual?”
Jesus says “that was a mighty fire. So maybe we should calm it down a bit and then take on the final stage of the ritual.”
Jesus says “I went for a walk all these signposts are truly entertaining. GREAT WORK :D”
Jesus says “*starts mumbling a little melody* mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh mh mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “a hm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “ayeeeeeeee hu hu hu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mhmhmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmhm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “Outsider! Tenebrae, the ancestors send you! praise them!” in the outsider tongue.
Jesus says “ayeeeeeeee hu hu hu hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mhmhmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmhm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “dammit, now he ran away.....”
Jesus says “Yay headhunters. Another one collected! The ancestors sent him while I was chanting. *shows the head of tenebrae on a pile* ”
Jesus says “*cries out loudly* THANKS FOR SHOWING US THE WAY! uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu uhuhuhuhuhu mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmm”
Jesus says “ mmmm mmmmm mmmmmmmmm uuug´huhuhuuhuhu huhu mm m m mmmm m m m m m *jumps through fire* mmmmh m ayeeeeeeeeee mmmmmmmm *rolls on ground* mmmmm uuuuu eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *fades out*”
Zool says “on shanti....mmmmmaaaaaaahhhhhhoooooohhhhaahhhhhh.......hoooodeeeeehiiiiiiddeeeeeeeehoooooooooooooo.......”
Zool says “hooooooooolaaaaaawaaaaaalaaaaaaawooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh”
Entropy says “*Starts to dance in and around the group while aking swigs from a new brown bottle*”
Entropy says “Welcome to the circle Zool!”
Foo Fighter says “Welcome ZOOL!!! I made you a memorial signpost at one west and two south. The island is almost covered now!”
Zool says “Well thanks Foo Fighter, and everyone! What a nice surprise, who'd a thunk!”
Zool says “Ooohlaaaaoooohhllaaaaaooooooohhllaaaaa....Hhnnnaaahhh hnnnaahhh. It clears the sinuses! Ahhh!!”
Skull Face says “ANCESTORS! My arm grows restless! Send me an outsider plaything!" ** starts banging a heavy dub beat on the log drums ** "Father! Father! FAAAAATHER!!!”
Skull Face says “If they say "Why, why" tell 'em that it's human nature!”
Skull Face says “The ancestors have heard me! An outsider! I can hear my machete screaming in joy!!! COme brothers and sisters, join me in the bloodfest!! ** runs N, grinning madly, eyes gleaming ** KIIIIILL!!!”
Skull Face says “Ahah!" ** Holds up the head of Dr Livingstone http://www.philosoph.us/misc/shartak/underworld/?id=8966 ** "Thank you ancestors!"”
Skull Face says “Accept my offering!" ** tosses outsider head onto the fire and smiles at the sizzling sound and roast pork smell ** "Send more outsiders!"
Jesus says “Oh my, the ancestors are giving so plenty to us, never before such a big ritual has been witnessed”
Wambayak says “*stands up, and looks confused into the gathered round* Real world?”
Wambayak says “Oh my, Oh my....Ancestors are very pleased about the ritual. They will dliver more goods for more hes”
Wambayak says “*turns his heads 360 degrees round*...heads!heads!heads!!!”
Wambayak says “*opens a bottle of brown liquid and begins to chant* head and head and head, wicksick is the right thread, white face not at the right place, take heads, decapitate.”
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=Part seven=

<pre>
The bloodbath starts to get even more bloody....
Foo Fighter says “WHAAAAAA - THE ANCESTORS GRANTED ME 88 AP OMG”
Skull Face says “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! The Old Ones have sent me a monkey claw! Am I blessed or cursed? What will this monkey claw do for me?”
Wambayak says “The ancetors heard us! pirate north! outsider NE! Yippiehhhhh! ”
Wambayak says “*starts whirling around with a fresh cutted head blood spoiling everyone around!*”
Wambayak says “uhhuu! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAncetors this smelly pale called kilshrek is for you ! Uuuuuhuhuuhuhhuhuuh! *takes a bottle of brown liquid*”
Wambayak says “*opens it to cover the head wit it`s content* Uhhhuuhuhuhuhuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuu *starts whirling around again. An emulsion of blood and brown liquid spoils everyone even more*”
Cthulhu says “FHTAGN?”
Cthulhu kills Futrak.
Cthulhu kills Skull Face.
Cthulhu says “Oh hang on! This isn't the "Misunderstood Calamari" gathering is it? Sorry... I best be moving on. Enjoy your party peoples FHTAGN!!!”
You hear Skull Face let out a banshee wail coming from all around you.
Zool says “Outsider lurking to the SE in the water's edge...I'm out of AP”
Entropy says “The Ancestors have another head!”
Entropy says “*holds up a pirates head and dances around the gathered with it*”
Entropy says “Hmmm there seems to be a spirit here. If it isn't one of us it must be banished”
The ghostly voice of Skull Face whispers “My spirit cries out for revenge upon Cthulhu and SolidSnake for interrupting our ceremony!”
Foo Fighter says “Oh no, did a brother die here? REVENGE! Also, I killed a Derby soldier, they are coming! PREPARE FOR THE TAKING OF A LOT OF HEADS! WHEE!”
Jesus says “SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Wambayak says “Oh Ancestors! We need your blessings, waves of white scum is threading our wickedandsick souls! *opens a bottle brown liquid* Wish that I had some herbs with me! It´s better for fighting. *drinks*”
Wambayak says “oh ancestors say should we patrol?*sips a bit andspits it out again* No one on the tower! we all could hide up there or somewhere else?”
Wambayak says “I´m out of Interesting Points to make. So I´ll try to have a little talk with the ancestors! see you in 2+1.5 h ”
Wambayak says “*empties the bottle and sleeps away*”
Jesus says “Derby is doomed! Doomed I say!”
Wambayak says “Di da da doomed! Di da da doomed! da da da da smells like dommed! ”
Wambayak says “Errrr....doomed!*opens another bottle of brown liquid!*”
lama says “http://www.philosoph.us/misc/shartak/underworld/?id=5321 *bangs on the bongos*”
Wambayak says “I´m wounded! but no outsiders in the NW and none in the SE”
Ougadougou says “The ancestors demand vengeance on Cthulhu for disturbing the sacred rights”
Ougadougou starts acting very strangely.
Otago says “The distant ones require you to fertilise the soil with the sacred liquids”
Otago starts acting very strangely.
Otago says “beer and rum"
lama says “Here, brother. Hope you feel better now. *bangs some jazzy improvisations on the bongos"”
Escariot performs a successful exorcism ritual and casts 1 spirit away from here.
Zool says “2 Outsiders - 2 spaces SW, then west to water's edge”
Willis kills Zool.
Entropy says “Ancestors! I give you the head of RobZombie!”
Entropy says “I have 7 herbs for healing left my brothers.”
Otago returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely.
lama says “We need reinforcements or other way we are going to get ridden out of here soon”
Foo Fighter says “Zooooool! REVENGE!”
The ghostly voice of Zool whispers “WiiillliiiissssssssssGRRRRRRR. Ahem.”
The ghostly voice of Zool whispers “Crap, I take a nap and look what happens.”
Otago says “Willis is dead (ID 8055). It occurs to me that we might be making things to easy on the Derbians by sleeping in one spot.”
Wambayak says “Ah jesus spare those for the outsider east of island!”
Wambayak says “earr...mean for the way back!”
Wambayak says “sharks....! But I gonna go hunt now!”
lama says “hello brothers. When do we start operation BloodStorm? ;)”
Jesus says “Is anyone ready for having the ritual tonight? After that we could go straight to Derby/ revive at the next shaman...”
Skull Face says “Fine by me. I have a few new targets from the Hospitalers and the Rangers :E”
Henri6 says “Hello.”
Jesus says “Hello Henri6, so you found your way here. Welcome. We are holding our most important ritual cycles here. Maybe tonight the big business is about to take place.”
...and then the outsiders came...
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'''Log''' 
''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part one|Part one]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part two|Part two]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part three|Part three]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part four|Part four]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part five|Part five]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part six|Part six]]''

''[[Jungle Drums/Issue 1/Island log#Part seven|Part seven]]''

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Jungle Drums/Issue 1

2007-12-28T19:00:23Z

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2007-11-13T10:18:23Z

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I am 0000FF Beard, or at least that's how most people know me. 
 
My pirate character: [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=8586 0000FF Beard]. 
My native character: [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=139 Chief cookpot]. 
My outsider character: [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=165 Dr. Livingstone].

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User:0000FF Beard

2007-11-13T10:11:16Z

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Suggestions:Game mechanics

2007-11-11T13:37:39Z

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== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler.|
suggest_time=23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

*That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

*So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response to this idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)

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=== Capturing villages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands?|
suggest_time=03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

*You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
** Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


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=== Unique skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc.|
suggest_time=02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

*Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)

*I agree with this as well. It seems Shartak is on the way to giving each class their own benefits (Soldiers/Warriors with gun skills, Settlers/Villagers with animal affinity etc.), but so far only a few have been made unique. At present there is really no point to being a scientist. He starts with 10 gold coins... what the? So I'm pushing for each class to have at least one unique skill they can purchase with XP. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 11:50, 3 June 2006 (BST)

*I feel the introduction of the unique skill system would make the game much more interesting. but i disagree with the idea that people should just start off with one, rather i feel it should be purchased like the other skills on offer. Additionally rather they have one skill strand/branch like that of the gun skill or animal affinity, it would be interesting and more fun to have a multiple skill branches in line with the specific character classes, like for instance giving the soldiers/warrior classes defensive skill strands in additional to their offensive ones. Furthermore there should be distinctions between the native & outsider classes so they’re similar yet different. Like for instance the firearm/blowpipe skill upgrades are currently identical, I hope in future they could be retooled to promote native/outsider gameplay differences. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 03:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:*A for Anarchy is right about warrior/soldiers skill trees. One idea to lively things up is for Native warriors to get a skill allowing them to manufacture a poison dart if they have a bunch of poisonous berries. This will allow them to not have to go back to their home villages to restock on ammo, they could 'live off the land' by simply searching the local poisonous berry bushes and making poison darts themselves. Soldiers should get something else, in line with the theme of the game. (Of course if it was up to me, the whole ranged weapon system would be overhauled. Another problem with ranged weapons is that they are useless to non-soldierwarriors) [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

*Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
**Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
***Taming Skills (adds 30%)
*Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*1. Create several new skills, with Animal Affinity as a prerequisite:
**Small Animal Training (base 25% chance of success): by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a small animal (monkey, parrot or small deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random fun thing visible to thos around you. eg: a parrot might tell a little joke, the monkey might do a little dance, and the deer just stands there looking irrestibly cute.
***Large Animal Training (base 10% chance of success)by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a large animal (elephant, tiger or large deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random thing. eg: a elephant might trumpet majestically, the tiger might roar, and the deer does, umm, impressive deer stuff.
**Combat Trained Animals: Allows the possessor to command their large or small animal to attack. Mechanically this makes the previously trained animals into weapons. Small animals hit at 50%, doing 1 point of damage. Large Animals hit at 10%, but do 5 points of damage. With each attack, there would be a chance similar to that of a machete to go dull or break, in the case of an animal, though, it dies or runs off, and is therefore lost.
*2. Create an item called "Animal Feed". It would be available from the traders, for approximately the same as a FAK. It is used up by rolling either Train Animal skill, whether the roll is successful or not. In the case of Combat Trained Animals, it might be expended in a manner similar to a rifle's bullets. Not sure about that last part, though. lol


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=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

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=== Auto Attack ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.|
suggest_time=02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Qberry|Qberry]]|
suggest_comments=

* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*I support this idea in theory, but of course it must be approached carefully. I like JonesDye's idea of not gaining XP for counter-attacks, and there are so many other factors to consider. QBerry-- you should start a thread about this in the forums to get all sides of the debate and get discussion going. This could be a great feature if implemented correctly. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 4 June 2006 (BST)
*You snooze, you lose. I mean, it wouldn't make sense if you can fight while you're asleep, right? Simply sleep in a safe place to reduce the chances of your character getting killed. --[[User:Vkkhamul|Vkkhamul]] 21:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
:* See the end of the list at [[The Shartak Wiki:Community Portal#Greasemonkey scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

''Edit'':

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat|
suggest_time=06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Slith|Slith]]|
suggest_comments=

*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat? It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness. Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's [[Boatyard]]. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
****I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)
* i reckon the boat idea would be great especially for the CP so we are land police of york and water police of york!,hopefully this does work out!. [[User:Riddick|riddick]] 21:17 10 June,2006 (GMT).
*If boats are implemented, wouldn't it make sense to allow pirates a special skill regarding them? After all, the pirates on Shartak were all sailors before wrecking their ship. It would only make sense if they (for instance) used fewer AP to sail or something similar. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 8:53, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
*I think that boats could add a valuable dimension to the game once more pressing issues (such as spirit exorcism/warding) are dealt with and the active population of the island grows by a few hundred (because boats would spread players out over an even larger area and make people even harder to find outside of camps). Anyway, here are my ideas.
**Regarding boat speed, realism would demand that boat travel be faster than swimming in at least some cases. At best, a boat should be able to travel from York to Derby (for example) faster than anyone could make the trip on foot (~160 AP with ''trailblazing''; see [[User:Elembis/Sandbox#Camp travel distances|my sandbox]]). Furthermore, a four-person crew should be able to outrun or at least keep up with a boat with just one person onboard. I think a boat should move for 1.5 AP regardless of how many people (up to 4) are in it. With cooperation, a full crew could make the York-Derby trip (~276 squares east to west) in 276 × 1.5 / 4 = 103.5 AP per person, or a little under a day and a half. A 1.5 AP move cost for boats would make swimming faster for a single player in shallow water but not in deep water, and a crew of two or more people would be able to outdistance any swimmer.
**The boat would have a virtual helm, and only players at the helm (captains) would be able to set the boat's course (one of the eight compass directions) and sail off-course if they desired. Non-captains would only be able to move the boat in the direction of the course or the two adjacent directions (so a NW course would only allow them to move N, NW and W). The helm could be shared, but only an empty helm could be taken (i.e., you have to kill the captain(s) first). This would keep players from climbing aboard and sailing far off-course (or perhaps to shore in hostile territory). A captain who left the boat would return as crew and would need to be promoted again by whoever had the helm.
**Boats could be entered, exited, or boarded from another boat for 1 AP. Players would leave boats (1) voluntarily, (2) by being killed, or (3) if they were not a captain and a captain forced them off for 1 AP.
**Construction would occur on the beach, as Tycho suggested. (A one-time script would flag beach squares next to water, and construction of boats would only be possible on those squares.) It would progress one piece at a time to (1) avoid unrealistic near-instant boat construction and (2) to allow multiple people to contribute driftwood to the effort. There would be a 1 AP "Build" button and a dropdown box for all boats on the square. ("[Build] <nothing / Ye Olde Boat> with a piece of driftwood.") After contributing a piece of driftwood a player would see how many more pieces the boat needed. There would also be a form for starting a new boat with one piece of driftwood. ("[Start building] a new boat named [text input].")
**Boats would be attackable with melee weapons and could disintegrate slowly (1) when they are unoccupied, (2) when they have been under construction for more than a week, and (2) as they travel. A boat would only disappear from the game if it had 0 HP and had been that way for an entire week. (A script could run every ''x'' hours to check for unoccupied boats and damage them, and a nightly script could check for destroyed and abandoned boats and delete them.) For realism and gameplay, it should be easier to kill all four passengers on a boat than to destroy the boat itself as well as more rewarding (i.e., hurting a boat would yield few XP, if any). Attacks that targeted the boat would be visible to everyone onboard just as if they themselves were being attacked. Players onboard would be attackable by anyone on the square, whether the attacker is riding in another boat or swimming. (If sailors were not attackable, natives raiding outsider camps would be able to take sanctuary in boats just offshore.) Giant squids would attack boats about as often as they attacked the people onboard (unless a passenger had attacked the squid, in which case the squid would focus on that player until they were dead). Sharks, however, would leave boats and their occupants alone.
**Most important, in my opinion, is that the best boat builders and/or repairers would be settlers, villagers and pirates. While boat construction would be too fun to not share, those three classes need unique skills. An exclusive repair skill might be appropriate; unskilled captains would push a boat until it couldn't go anywhere (or hire someone to repair it), but settlers/villagers/pirates would be able to repair boats (including any abandoned ones they found). Fully repairing a nearly destroyed boat should probably be about half as expensive, in terms of both AP and driftwood, as building a new one. Needless to say, boats could be a real chore to implement, but they would surely make the game even more distinctive and rich. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 20:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*As much as I don't care for PK-ing (especially against newbies like me!), it is something many people enjoy (and I am in full agreement with [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] about how newbies could visit enemy territory and be invincible) and is an excellent way of gaining XP if you choose to do so. I second the notion of having a PvP free hut in each settlement/village; perhaps disable the attack command entirely while in there? As a penalty for using such a hut, there should be no resource items there, so that players will still need to 'risk' being in resource huts to restock. Or, at least charge 5AP to enter (you have to talk your way in or at least convince the guards to allow you entrance; thus people who 'play it safe' will need to conserve their AP as they are not taking risks). One of the hallmarks of games like this is AP managment, and most of us learned that the hard way...--[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".

''Note: One of the raisons d'etre for this suggestion has been eliminated with the shaman changes, so this suggestion is less relevant than it was and in some ways outdated. It might still be workable, though it will have to be approached differently.'' [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::If there is a 10% chance to get one gold coin per hour, and if during a large portion of the day both natives and outsiders are on the gold mine square so no mining is going on, then the odds would be that the lots of people would get 0 gold coins (or very few) before being killed, a total waste of time for them, and they might not bother going back after they're killed, which defeats the gold mine's purpose as a strategic location that people will fight over. This is why I say people need something tangible every hour. In fact, that should be revised to "something tangible every AP turnover", i.e. every 20 minutes. Even if someone is there for only a short time, they should have something to show for it, which they almost certainly wouldnt with a low % chance per hour of getting one gold coin. Your idea of scaling the gold that the mine produces could be implemented by making Gold Prospector Jim give fewer gold coins the more nuggets he receives. In other words, a gold mining version of the current trading system. Since he will have received 0 gold nuggets as the mine is first discovered, one gold nugget could trade for one gold coin, and as more people start cashing in, the value of a gold nuggest would go down, to where he wants 20 or so nuggets for one gold coin. The value would fluctuate throughout the day and week as people cash in more gold nuggets. This way, scalability is achieved while continuing to be able to reward something tangible every AP turnover. Also, I would say gold nuggets should take 0 inventory space just like gold coins, since in theory 72 could be given out per day to one person, and that would fill up anyone's inventory, allowing them to not receive any more. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

*I agree there needs to be more locations worth going to, but adding just one will not add enough to shake things up. I think a mine with various valuable minerals such as gold (not coins but actual lumps of gold since it was just mined) and maybe forgeable material, ect. But you should have to actually apply AP to mine it out, maybe with varying % to find different minerals in different parts of the mine (I imagine it as an underground area much like a temple with multiple squares)

Along with the mine I was thinking of other locations that would attract people. What about a sunken ship, with treasure perhaps, in the ocean (like deep ocean, shark attack deep deal) somewhere to the northeast of the island since none of the settlements are very close to that? Another place that people are going is that island to the west of the main island. Perhaps something of value could be put there as well, like say an ancient stucture like all those temples only better. (Think El Durado!) I think that the swamp should have something in it aswell, I don't know what.

The biggest thing I would want to see implimented would be buried treasure, placed in a random jungle square anywhere in Shartak every 1st of the month, with pieces of the treasure map being found at random. Groups and individuals would scramble to find the chest, which would no doubt be full of gold dubloons and other valuable treasure. People who don't want to look for the treasure could sell pieces of the map to others who do for high prices. If noone finds the treasure by the 1st of the next month then the treasure rolls over into next month so that month will have 2 chests at the location! Only the first person to dig it up gets what it contains. Anyone else will find a hole with an empty chest in it. How's that for location/events? (I was thinking of making this its own suggestion but didn't want to steal this persons 'thunder' as it were) --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
 This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Message in a bottle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New item, message system|
suggest_scope=All characters in Beach terrain|
suggest_description=Much like the "make signpost" action, creating a message in a bottle will only be available to players standing in Beach terrain. Unless the "Refillable containers" suggestion is implemented, to create a message in a bottle will require a bottle of beer, bottle of rum, or bottle of water and some newer items - parchment and charred driftwood or berry paint. There would be a textarea and a button, much like the existing message actions. Upon clicking the "make message" button, the items required are removed from the player's inventory and their text message is added to the database.

Although it would be neat to actually see the bottles floating in the water and following unique movement patterns, that would lead to some very cluttered areas. So instead the message in a bottle becomes a rare search result in Beach terrain.

When a player finds a message in a bottle the system generates a random number and selects the associated message to that number from the database. After reading the message, the player has the option to destroy or return the bottle. Destroying the message in a bottle removes it from the database. Returning it throws the bottle back into the sea to be found again. There should probably be a default message in the event that all the unique messages are destroyed or the search odds could be modified to reflect that there are no more messages in a bottle to be found.

Each message could also have a stat to display how many times the message was read before.|
suggest_time=05:33, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Nice idea. I'd rather have the message bottle also be rare-findable in water. I think it'd be kind of neat to have some items found in water, even if only text messages generated by other players. The suggestion does await parchment, although I think that berries alone would be sufficient for ink ("you write in berry juice") rather than requiring a separate ink item. Implementing parchment might get a bit complicated - I'd prefer a very streamlined approach so that players aren't carrying around six (or 71) different message'd parchments at once. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Map quest===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Quest|
suggest_scope=All characters, new NPCs|
suggest_description=There is a limited usefulness for the map for those without access to the mapping scripts. There is also a limited incentive for players to explore foreign camps. This suggestion provides a simple quest for players to hopefully address both issues.

Each town will possess a new NPC (or possibly a retooled home shaman or trader) that has a fragment of a map. The fragment will display the general vicinity around the camp. After a player interacts with the NPC and acquires a map fragment, they can view map.html and see two new buttons: "view torn map" and "compare maps". "View torn map" will display the collection of map fragments acquired by the player. "Compare maps" will overlay the player's personal map on top of the torn map.

I imagine the map fragments to resemble the parchment look featured in the game logo, but each camp might use a different medium or writing implement which will give the torn map a patchwork appearance.

The map fragments will not take up any inventory space and not even be listed in the inventory. On a character's profile page it may be possible to display their progress with the quest: (1/7 map fragments).

Obviously, having just the area of the camps mapped out will leave some large missing chunks in the torn map. There could be a hermit NPC that will complete the torn map once each fragment is obtained. The complete map can also have the feature of unlocking new territory. Talking to special elder NPCs will mark the map with locations that are viewable and enterable only by those with complete, marked maps.|
suggest_time=19:53, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Sure, this makes sense to me. Ideally, the special code (possibly including search outcomes, NPC interactions, non-item flags in character data, and so forth) would be generic enough so that it could also be borrowed to implement treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, secret locations, and other future plot-lines in Shartak. A Shartak map itself, even complete, would just show the same info that can be found via web or wiki, so it is not going to harm game balance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:27, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Monsoon===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=event|
suggest_scope=all|
suggest_description=Add seasons to shartak, matching RL events. The sea level would rise by 1 square, the river would swell by 1 square, crocodiles would become plentiful, and the pirate ship would lift off of the rocks. The ship would then randomly drift around, 1 square per day, and would still be accessible but players would have to swim out to it. Deforested squares would also recover faster. The ship wouldn't be directable because 'The sail is too tattered to use.' or something. The monsoon would also match, more or less, RL duration.|
suggest_time=17:28, 16 July 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=Aco|
suggest_comments=

*All this would be do-able without too much extra coding except for moving the pirate ship. It would however take a while to work out which bits of beach, swamp and jungle would become submerged and to do it in such a way that it's easily reversible later. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*Something that would require even less work on Simon's part, but would still convey the feel of a hurricane would be to change some descriptions temporarily. Add, "The wind howls about you and the rain drives fiercely", to all outdoor descriptions. Add "The deadly storm rages just outside. You don't know how long this little hut can survive." to indoor descriptions. He could also temporarily expand the range of "sharks" to include all outdoor locations (possibly with a lower likelihood of being bitten, as it seems more or less automatic once you swim far enough out) but change the description to "A piece of flying debris injures you." This would make being indoors scary and being outdoors potentially deadly.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I have just advocated a similar ideas for storms at the new forum. Have a mass of black cloud move onto the island. The rivers swell and move rapidly, causing death to those in the water. Lightning strikes and strong winds cause HP damage or death. [[FirstAmongstDaves]]


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===Identification of strangers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Identification of strangers|
suggest_description=As a native, I would like an "Identify an outsider" button when standing on the same square as one or more outsiders I can't recognize. (Outsiders would have the same thing for natives, naturally.) It's unrealistic that the best ways to identify people are to attack them or give them gold. It's also bothersome; gold coins are hard to find in the wilderness, and a cheapskate may attack a stranger only to regret the attack upon discovering that their target was a peaceful person. If you're the sort of player who likes to attack every stranger you meet, that's fine. However, many people do discriminate between strangers, and it shouldn't be unduly hard for them to simply figure out who someone is.

Identification would cost 1 AP. Flavor text could be something like
:You examine an outsider until you're able to tell them apart from all the others. They are {{profile|6|Leaky Bocks}}.

I estimate that this change will have the following effects:
# Identification before an attack will be easier and thus more attractive to moderately peaceful players, resulting in less "gratuitous cross-class violence" (as [[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] [[Talk:Identify_Friend_or_Foe|put it]]) at the hands of players who wish to avoid it.
# [[Identify Friend or Foe]] [[:Category:IFF supporter|supporters]] will no longer be subject to the current "peace tax".
# Non-participants in the IFF initiative will neither receive gold from curious players nor see who has identified them. However, after they are identified they may still be given gold or even spoken to (which I prefer from a roleplaying perspective) if cheaper identification makes people more willing to interact with those they identify. I know I'd rather spend 1.5 AP to identify someone and speak to them than 1 AP and a coin to merely identify them.

Since it's already possible to identify a stranger in ways that help them (by giving gold) or hurt them (by attacking), why shouldn't there be a more direct middle path?|
suggest_time=06:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

I'm looking for a flaw in the reasoning here, but I can't find one. I support this. 18:40, 31 July 2006. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* The only flaw I can see is already in the game. How do you figure out who someone is, just by giving them a gold coin or attacking them. *slash* Oh, scuse me a second while I check the back of your jacket for a name tag. Same sort of thing applies to staring at someone and figuring out what their name is. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
** "I'd like to stare at someone long enough to figure out what they look like and what they're wearing and carrying." I support this. For convenience, the game has already conflated face-recognition with user-profile. There doesn't exist an in-between level: either you know all their skills and their profile description, or you aren't able to target them at all. We could eventually migrate toward a solution (and perhaps introduce new skills and actions, such as Disguise that would conceal your skillset and kill stats). But in the meantime it would be nice to have the suggested convenience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Drowning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=Perhaps there should be some rules for drowning? Many players in Shartak (including my character, Zeff) like to camp/sleep in the water. I feel there should be a risk of drowning when a player spends a long period of time in deep water - shallow water would not apply. Perhaps something like this - If a player spends over 2 hours in the water "drowning damage" comes into effect (regardless of whether or not the player has the swimming skill) and every futher hour 10 damage is dealt to the player - either "drowning damage" or instant drowning after 3 hours - with a message "you have drowned".
Another additional possibility is have the character drift in the water - especially if they go into deep water - I like the idea of leaving a character in the water when you log out, and when you log back in they are washed up on another part of the island with most of their hit points missing. Although that might be a bit complicated to do...|
suggest_time=22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice. Drifting could be done, although it may make things complicated if you drift too quickly. I certainly don't think you'd move very far in a few hours otherwise it would be far too easy to lose sight of the giant squid you were attacking (for example). There would probably have to be some kind of data in the map that says where you drift to from that square, even if the drifting changes slightly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Sounds like a good idea. Also, driftwood could possibly be incorporated into this, perhaps giving a lower chance of drowning, lower drowning damage, or maybe making the player drift further. -[[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]
* I definetly think you should drown to death if you sleep in the water. You should only be able to drift with driftwood, since you could possibly sleep on the plank as it floats you to another place. Without the dirftwood you wouldn't drift far because you'd drown before you got to see the place you arrived at...unless instead of drowning to death you drown to 1 HP and are planted on a random beach space in Shartak. I like this idea but can't decide how I'd like to see it put in game. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Pigeon postal service===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Outsiders (I imagine a different version for Natives|
suggest_description=Right now I have encountered difficulties whenever I try to contact someone in game. There is (currently) no way right now of contacting people in game without finding them. To improve on that, I thought there should be a sort of postal service. The idea is simple. You go to a post office to do one of three things 1) buy a pigeon so you can write a letter from anywhere and send it to the post office (at a cost of 2 GC) 2) write a letter at the post office for posting (at a cost of 1 GC) 3) receive mail (at a cost of 0 GC). To prevent harassment of players you can even instruct the postal staff to burn any letters from ignoramus people (you must tell them before hand otherwise they will burn everything).

*''The postal staff has burned 3 letters from unwanted peoples since your last visit.''
*''You buy a pigeon at the cost of 2 GC. It looks anxious to be on its way home again.''
*''The post woman takes your letter and smiles knowingly.''

The idea may need some tweaking but this is just a suggestion on how to create in game messages.
|
suggest_time=17:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=


Sounds like an interesting idea. The only real problem that might happen is that if you've off on long journeys, you may not have the time to stop into a town and check your mail. Perhaps the pigeons could also fly to you, where ever you may be, and give you the letter? --[[User:Che|Che]] 22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you buy local pigeons and deliver them to another town for sale at a higher price?--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 02:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Since pigeons can only return to one place I imagine that foreign post offices would pay a premium for pigeons that can go to other cities. For example, a pigeon bought at York and will return to York is only 2 GC, but a pigeon bought at York that will return to Derby will cost 10 GC or more because you can't raise pigeons to fly to Derby in York.


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===Climbable Trees and high areas===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics and Skill|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=This is more like two suggestions bundled into one, but they are closely related. I think climbable trees (areas of jungle) would be a great addition to the game. With the use of a climbing skill (perhaps easier to learn for natives) players can "climb" into the jungle canopy (for 5AP) providing the jungle is heavy (dark green and above). This would provide an excellent way to "hide" from other players and give another bonus which I will get back to. If a player chops jungle where a player is hiding above them, that player falls to the ground for a medium amount of damage. Other players would have a chance of spotting people hiding above them, each time they move to a different jungle area (50% and 100% if you use search in the area - a message "you spot *name* hiding in the canopy above you"). Also players will be able to jump from tree to tree for 2AP. Now, onto the "other bonus" mentioned earlier - this bonus also effects areas such as the mountain and the crows nest at the shipwreck giving "high areas" more of a tactical use. These areas should allow you to spot people (outsiders, pirates and natives) in the distance. When you are in one of these areas you would be able to "see" the number of people to the north, east, south and west - this will include areas such as north-east and south-west as "north" will mean a general cone shape north of the player. For example in the crows nest at the shipwreck, there will be a button "lookout" which would display the following text-
"You scan the horizons -
North - You see 1 native nearby.
East - You see 6 pirates nearby. You see 3 pirates in the distance.
South - You see 12 pirates nearby. You see 4 pirates and 2 outsiders in the distance.
West - You see 7 pirates nearby. You see 2 pirates and 4 natives in the distance."
Of course if you did this on the mountain, you wouldn't be able to see through solid rock.
The sight range would be perhaps 20 squares, anything over 10 squares is defined as distance. If this suggestion is implemented it will I feel it would add a whole new level to gameplay (literally!) as well as possibilities for watch-towers, and long-range rifle/blowpipe sniping!
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suggest_time=11:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

I had thought of climbable trees, but hadn't planned on people being able to move around whilst in the tree. The biggest problem with letting you see further is that (a) it'd require more processing to handle the extra 24+ map areas, (b) Displaying the map would be quite tricky due to the sizes of squares required to be able to hold text and icons. I had envisaged something like "You climb a tree. [down]" as the stuff on the right, no other actions except down. The left hand side would be a map area about the same size as currently, but where each block was replaced with a 3x3 area. This would give you the ability to see terrain from 7 blocks all around (15x15 grid). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't thinking of actually showing the areas you can see, I was thinking along the lines a purely text feature, that would operate in a similar way to "search". There would be a button that would "list" each direction (N,E,S,W) and the players you could see in those areas. Actually displaying more sqaures on screen sounds pretty complicated... --[[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:The problem with just text is not everyone is going to be directly north or west or south or east of you, most of the time they will be at strange angles. Simon's idea of a 15x15 grid when you climb a tree is a good one, if it is able to be done. Here's the idea I got while reading this suggestion: firstly, new item-telescope (explorers would start with one, they would be occassionally found in outsider towns. natives would have no access, like gps). Going atop a tree or crow's nest or climbing on top of ruins would give you four buttons: look north, look west, look south, look east-- but only if you have a telescope. Each would cost 5 or 10 AP (it would take a long time to throughly search with the horizon with your telescope.) You would be shown something like [http://www.itechsc.com/misc/shartak/ubermap/closeup.php?cx=-70648&cy=26343&dn=1&zn=1 this map] (but not as big), it would display the area north of your immediate area if you chose 'look north', south of yoru area if you chose 'look south, etc, and it would tell you where others are.
:- [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeff, You are on the right track with your hiding suggestion I think, but it shouldnt be atop trees. People should have an ability to hide in the jungle, and an on-ground hiding skill has been suggested before. I still think it is a good idea. Here is one version of the idea, suggested by Armadox on the forum:
<<Armadox_The_Butcher wrote: What about a skill that allows you to use your last 10 ap to hide in the foilage? It marks you off the map, like being a spirit. Spirits can still see you, and anyone searching the area can uncover you. but it'll keep your hide safer untill you log back on?>>
<<Arminius wrote: This is a good idea, but how about instead of having to search, someone who steps onto the same square automatically discovers you? But people wouldnt be able to see you from other squares like they can now. Currently if you are standing on any of the 25 squares in someone's line of sight, they can see you, but if you were to be hidden they wouldnt be able to unless they are on your square. This could serve as an ambushing skill as well as a hiding skill. By ambushing I mean hiding and then waiting till someone comes to a square near you to rest, and naturally they wouldnt know youre there, then you emerge to kill the poor sucker>>
<<Crowjane wrote: sounds generally nice, but what if everyone has it. I foresee no ambushing but endless travels without any human contact...>>
<<Tycho44 wrote: I like the idea of having an extremely expensive Hide Skill (12AP-30AP to use?) that only works to cloak you from those not in your square. By hiding, you would prevent animals and players from seeing and pursuing you unless they actually stumbled into your square (Trackers could use Tracking Skill). When the cost of hiding is high, many players will choose to step 5 or 15 spaces further back into the wilderness instead, so the game impact would be relatively mild. Also, hiding could require Jungle d5 or higher to use, just like concealed huts and trees. That would prevent ambushes from inside the town.>> ([http://shartak.forumsplace.com/message-152-15.html From here]).
 - [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. Complications aside, the original suggestion would effectively make the island larger, which would make player interaction more rare, and that's simply bad. I'd support an ''x'' AP "Lookout" ability in suitably dense jungle that would simply return flavor text revealing the location of one or more nearby players or animals. ("You climb a tree for a moment and see someone to the northeast.") But I think concealment in treetops is a bad idea, and the server load of a large map view should be avoided if a simpler "lookout" action will work about as well. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

* I like the idea of being able to hide in the folliage, it just fits naturally into this type of game. Espeacially with the tracking skills as a means of finding them by following their tracks. Very cool. The item 'telescope' would be awesome too, with the ability to look diagonal compass directions as well please. The crows nest could be a look out, along with towers being added to all the settlements (both native and outsider) to look from. I also recall a high place at a waterfall? You would only be able to see people standing in open sqaures (less than 5 folliage?) since anymore trees would create a thick canopy above them blocking your view. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 21:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Importance of the Islands of Shartak===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=The many Islands of Shartak have been the source of some of the most heated conflicts seen to date; however, such islands truly offer nothing more then a secluded patch of beach and jungle. To make these Island more desirable, I think new or stronger animals should be confined to these Islands, or possibly an implementation of the "New Strategic Location on Island" suggestion. When Darwin visited the Galapagos Islands, he noticed that the species he found evolved separately from creatures on the mainland. The same should be true with Shartak.|
suggest_time=16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]]|
suggest_comments=

Possible animals:
*Gorillas - stronger than a monkey, hit harder
*Rhinos - less HP than elephants, but more aggressive and hit harder
Or Mythical/Exotic Creatures:
*Ogopogo - like the Squid, but confined specifically to the waters around the Island; could possibly give special power/stat increase when successfully killed
*Dragon - Travels between all Islands; hits extremely hard, but flies to adjacent squares after hits; impossible to heal.
*Big foot - from adjacent squares, it is seen as "An Outsider" but once on the same square, he appears as Big Foot. Same stats as outsider, with more HP. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the islands may have a strategic piece of terrain, such as an ammo hut?[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:53, 26 November 2006 (PST)

* Gorillas and Rhinos are nice, but no wierd crazy animals please. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Message huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Communications|
suggest_scope=Players in camps|
suggest_description=For the sake of roleplaying, I'd like more communication between players to occur in a realistic fashion in-game than for it to occur outside of the game (on forums and the wiki). One way to accomodate this would be to establish message huts, run by new NPCs, in which a player (Alice, a native) can leave a message for another player (Bob, an outsider) to be read when Bob enters the hut to check his messages. A message left in Derby for Bob would only be readable by Bob, and only when Bob entered the Derby message hut to ask for his messages. If Bob had no language skills the message would appear garbled, as always.

I see two problems with this system: one is that players could spam everyone by leaving hundreds of messages in each hut, and the other is that the server could have to store hundreds of thousands of messages. The first objection could be solved by charging the sender 1 gold coin (or perhaps more) per message per hut. The second problem might be fixed if we (1) kept a sender from leaving more than 1 message in each hut; (2) held no more than 100 messages total in each hut, dropping old ones as new ones arrived; or (3) restricted message-sending to registered players. (Obviously, a message would be dropped as soon as its recipient arrived and read it.)

This change would make camps more popular, give everyone another way to spend their gold, and, most importantly, make it easier to contact people who leave no contact information in their profiles, something that can only be done now after a huge and often difficult game of hide and seek. |
suggest_time=05:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

Would be nice if the other NPC's mentioned to you that you've messages to read in the hut - "Trader Toe says, 'Have you been to the message hut lately? I hear you have a message there.'" Otherwise i doubt i'd ever check. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Clan Bonuses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description= If implemented clan founders can set one out of a list of bonuses in order to provide benefits for clan membership. I would suggest that this change be 'locked' for at least a day, to prevent abuse. The bonuses are all small buffs to various factors in order to augment the play style each clan inspires. I am making this suggestion because despite a wide variety of clans on Shartak, most players have yet to chose one and there are several clans, such as my own, that only have the founder as a member. By giving clan members a small bonus, clans should be able to facilitate recruitment. What follows are a few suggested bonuses; please feel free to suggest more or comment on those suggested:

*''Search Bonus'': 5% added to base search odds.
*''Melee Bonus'': 5% added to melee accuracy.
*''Range Bonus'': 5% added to firearms accuracy.
*''Plunder Bonus'': 10% increase to find gold coin at any location where they may appear (this should not be applied to the base search, rather it increases the probality of a successful search resulting in a gold coin).
*''Explore Bonus'': 5% chance of a character getting a 'free' movement; flavor text could read 'you find that you were able to easily move forward'; applies only to land movement.
*''Faith Bonus'': 5% evasion to spirit attacks.
*''Hunter Bonus'': +1 damage to any animal

Given these small size of the bonuses, I doubt any of these will seriously affect game balance, and the suggestion is merely one to increase clan membership. I am sure there are other reasonable bonuses out there, and I believe each of the above encourage roleplaying, be it pirates placing importance on finding gold or explorer groups getting bonuses to find goods or possibly cover even more ground with less AP.|
suggest_time=19:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]]|
suggest_comments=

The only thing I don't like is what about people who don't want to join a clan? I think How clans are right now are fine.--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 22:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am strongly against clan bonuses - the incentive to join a clan should be social (i might be for clan penalties - management takes its toll). What problem is this supposed to solve? If a clan isn't popular, there's probably a good reason (lack of leadership, lack of purpose, lack of distinction, etc) that should be addressed by the clan leadership. If it was implemented, you'd have to restrict a character from changing clans more than once every X hours/turns as well as the clan from changing its bonus/penalty. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the clan had both a bonus and a penalty - choose any one bonus and one penalty (and the penalty grows directly proportional to clan size - what can i say? i don't like management). This would help leave balance as is (for the independants) but give clans more flavour --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Excellent points, both of you! Frisco, I believe you are right that this unfairly penalizes independents, I see that as a serious fault now too. I believe the best way to balance it is to give independents a bonus or bonuses, though different than clan bonuses and thus encourage independent play. The main I one can think right now of ''caution bonus'': independents are more wary of others and thus get a 5% evasion to any player attacks. This negates any clan attack bonus against other players and would also be useful for new players who are prime targets for PKing. In regards to a clan penalty, I would best leave this up to others such as yourself as to what you think is fair. In addition, your statement about switching clans for bonuses on the fly is an abuse I did not think of; I think the best solution would be that some minimum amount in the clan is necessary for the bonus to activate, such as 24 hours. As far as proportion goes, I think that would be too complicated, as the server would have to constantly check clan size to assess the bonus/penalty amount. The purpose of this suggestion is to enliven the clan system, not to punish anyone. Basically, I am just trying to think of way to make the clan system more attractive, is in all honesty it has no effect on the actual game other then filling a field in your profile. Furthermore, out of 1113 active players, only 246 were affiliated with any clan, and this gap is even larger if you take into account inactive players (roughly 4000 at this writing). Perhaps a bonus system is ''not'' a solution, though I think their should some in-game effect, maybe inter-clan communication or something (i.e., the clan leader(s) can send out messages or something, though if Elembis's suggestion above is implemented this will be moot)? Even though I doubt this will be implemented, I want to encourage debate and see if a fair proposal arises that does not offset balance. Looking forward to hearing more on this. --[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there should be more of an incentive to join a clan - just to give clans a bit more flavour, but nothing that penalizes independant players or makes the game unfair. There is a similar clan bonus system on Nexuswar, where clans have a certain bonus depending on how powerful they are. Independents also get a bonus that depends on how long they stay alive. But to be honest, I would dislike that system if it was applied to Shartak. Perhaps something like an optional clan skill? A minor skill that actually replaces an existing skill (depending on the clans speciality -searching, attacking etc), making the clan members more specialized than independant players. Although independant players would not have access to that skill they would still have as much power as the clan members, having access to the skill that the clan members do not have. [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Additional Pirate Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Dividing the growing pirate population|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=If not the high HP and access to many riches, it is the fact that they all live close by that gives pirates an advantage over Natives and other Outsiders. I suggest we add two more pirate ships to help control the coordination imbalance. After it is implemented any pirates who dies may choose to change their home ship once. The ships will need names.|
suggest_time=11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

If you're correcting imbalances with this then dont forget to give us all a 5 damage, 60% hit weapon. A few HP difference isn't all that good. Anywhom, This seems a fair idea, but i dont like it. There's not so many pirates up at the wreck, and dividing them by three would be disaster. how about just two ships? The 'Hell Born Strumpet' (For Cap Whitney) and whatever Captain Edwards wants to call his? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

There's a lot more pirates at the wreck than there are people in most of the other towns, to be fair. --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 18:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say a lot, more like 1.4x more. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

:Ignoring inactive players - most camps have about 120ish, except the shipwreck with 290 and york with 210. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I rather like it that the ship doesn't have a name. It allows new clans to say "We're part of a different crew." After all, clans come and go. There's no reason to think the current pirate clans will last forever.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well we could name them by colour, type of ship, or description of wreck like "Grey ship", "Frigate", or "Rock wrecked ship." [[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 21:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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===Spirit Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic|
suggest_scope=Spirits|
suggest_description=Spirits under this new system would be bound to a specific distance from the spot where they died, with bonuses for actions (perhaps it'd halve the AP cost?) within that spot and possibly the four adjacent squares. (Alternatively, you could just be more noticeable in that area to mortals without Sixth Sense.) I know this could be abused, such as PKers waiting until players are far away from a shaman to kill them, but I've come up with some solutions or counterbalances. For example: being a Shartak noob, I don't know if there are roaming shamans, but if not there would be, thus giving a spirit another way to get back to the land of the living.

The next counterbalance is something I stole from the Dead Case, some ghost-related flash game thing, in which by freaking people out you gain their belief in you and can thus range farther from your grave; by going around your own territory and attacking things, you could quickly gain enough XP buy a spirit-only skill that adds half again or even doubles your current movement radius. Or there could be a new meter, some sort of power or belief level which allows you to go farther; maybe there's a skill that allows you to assimilate the essence of living beings you've screamed to death into your own, and thus travel beyond the initial limits of your "territory."

Admittedly, the whole extra incentive not to die idea would be quite confusing and probably rather tiresome for new players, so perhaps after your first death or two your spirit is resilient enough to ignore the penalty. Feel free to ridicule these random ideas.

A few more ideas to pick and choose from:
*Spirits are more powerful when working together.
**However, to reduce the Screaming Medical Hut Gang's ability to harrass the living, another idea could be taken from Dead Case: you're unable to cross the threshold of a hut until you go beyond a certain level of power, belief, spiritual influence, whatever you want to call it.
*Spirits are more powerful when in ruins, because everyone knows there are always powerful spirits haunting ruins.
*Shamans can, after collecting a number of items, putting them all together and performing some ceremony or other, Curse a person's spirit so that its territory is severely diminished when its body dies?|
suggest_time=13:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zutaka|Zutaka]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===More Clan/Crew powers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=For Clan/Crew founders and leaders to be able to kick out players they don't want.|
suggest_scope=All Clan/Crew Founders and Leaders|
suggest_description=It's quite simple If you have a disruptive player who joins your Clan or Crew to either make fun of it or badmouth or he does not fallow the clan Ideals He can be kicked out of the clan by the founders and leaders of the clan no questions asked. You would find the feature on the clan members list (Or wherever Simon wants to put it.) And click the "kick out" buttin to expel him from the clan.|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented with the December 2006 clan updates. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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===Looting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Gold|
suggest_description=Players can loot gold from corpses. At base rate a player will be able to loot 1/4 of the GC on a corpse, at a cost of 5 AP. Pirates get a bonus, looting 1/3 of the GC. A skill “Looting” will double this fraction (1/4 to ½ and 1/3 to 2/3).|
suggest_time=11:35, 9 November 2006|
suggest_author=Nicorus|
suggest_comments=

Sounds like [[Suggestions:Skills#Plunder]]. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 Confine it to irates as an incentive to be a different class. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

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===Day and Night===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mecanics|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Basicaly, turn the map a darker shade every amount of time. Maybe, animals could wander into towns at night, and players could only see tat there were a number of players in a certain square, instead of seeing that there were 1 outsider and 3 natives.|
suggest_time=19:26pm/12th Nove 2006|
suggest_author=Majestic[[User:Ninja|Ninja]]|
suggest_comments=

I've a feeling that that would be a massive, massive job to format. Sounds good but I think you'd need to download a grahics package, if not, the server would just...explode! Or not...i'm no programer by any description. Perhaps if there were three shades? day, noon and night? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Guildhouses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mechanic|
suggest_scope=Clans|
suggest_description=Clans need guildhouses or headquarters, places that only members of the creating clan may enter(?). Basically, only available to clans with a relatively large amount of active members, such as 15. The way I see this (which is of course up for discussion) is so:

Two members of the clan are present. Both give 75 AP and 200 XP to create this building (think: Hut). Once created, it requires 50 AP per week to keep it up. This weekly AP can be donated by any of the members of the clan. For example, player 1 can decide he has 10 AP that he doesn't need, player 2 gives 4 AP, player 3 gives 25, and player 4 notices it's already Saturday and there's a dearth of 11 AP so he takes care of the last bit, thus keeping the hut "alive" for another week.
General benefits (once again, up for discussion) would be: Access only to members of the clan, perhaps a "medical table" where you can convert AP/XP into healing much like the scientist can do, and a "Ammo cupboard" where one can find rifle bullets or sharpening stones or whatever items Simon sees fit.|
suggest_time=21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]]|
suggest_comments=

Realistically, wouldn't the contents of this "ammo cupboard" have to be donated as well? --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:43, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:Yeah, that makes sense, but that could also be supported by the weekly AP donation. Keeping stocks up, etc. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 22:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Take a look at my 'temporary structure' suggestion in "misc."--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:These are nothing alike. Mine is a guildhouse, does not involve driftwood at all. Gathering driftwood would be a major drawback for a guildhouse in the middle of the jungle, days away from beaches. Yours is just a form of shelter in the jungle, protection from surprise attack, where my suggestion is a base for a clan, and not meant for quick protection in the jungle. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't a hut that only clan members can enter be easilly abused as an inpenetrable fortress to allow a clan to rapage uncontrolled through a town? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 11:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: Not really. Simon could tweak the AP/XP requirements so it becomes *only* shelter from heavy attack (healing, restockage, etc), and not an actual heavy-artillery resistant bunker. Perhaps something could be added that having many people around it affects the AP cost or whatever, or the more people in the clan, the more expensive it is to keep up. This should be as much a hassle as it is a help. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This gives a great advantage to team players over solo players. I'm not clear on how the upkeep would be kept fair - just create a disposable character whose sole purpose is donating AP to the guildhouse (perhaps you could trade such character use with your allies so as to not directly zerg). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:*In the real world, working together as a team does have it's benefits. And if donating 75 AP resulted in 75 IP hits, then zerging would be mitigated.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To stop people using it as a fortress, how about allowing non clan members inside, but whenever they attack, everyone in the room has a chance of hitting them with a melee weapon automaticaly? This is good for realism and stops abuse of the facility, as you can still get your ass whooped if your inside, and an agressor would be roughed up by security. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

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===Cupped Hands and Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=The thirsty bottleless|
suggest_description=You've finally slaughtered that elephant that nearly took all day to kill. Now since you have bled a lot of water out, you go to the creek for a drink. You get there and stoop down to fill your bottle, but it full of salt water! What do you do? Cup your hands and drink directly or dump the salt water out of course!|
suggest_time=09:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

This idea makes a brilliant argument. But have you tried to cup water in your hands, it runns away...so you should only get +1HP back, maybe?

}}

===Use of Ranged Weapons as Melee Weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Anyone with an ranged weapon - rifle, blowpipe or yet-to-be-added...|
suggest_description=A heavy rifle can deliver a fair bit of damage when used as a club. Large blowpipes can likewise deliver some damage when used as a club or cane. Currently however, the game does not support the use of ranged weapons in melee - this suggestion would be to simply modify the game to allow that to happen.|
suggest_time=03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

The odds of hitting should be less, and damage shouldn't be much (less than a machete/cutlass). There should also be a chance of the weapon breaking (as per existing melee weapons).

I disagree that the damage output/hit rate should be less. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to use them as melee weapons, making the point moot.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think giving somebody a whack on the head with a rifle butt would do more to kill somebody than a knife-wound, so i agree with Joe. I do think that they should be able to break, but pipes more easier than rifles. unless you had mastered melee and could put it into someone's eye. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]
::There was some talk about changing the names of some weapons, just for variety - clubs, halbards, axes, other weapons instead of just machetes and cutlasses. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Hut Renovation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New possible action|
suggest_scope=All empty huts.|
suggest_description=I'd like to suggest that players be able to modify the interior flavor text of huts. For instance, many clans occupy buildings and convert them to their own use. A button would become available saying something like "renovate hut." This would allow a player to type in their own flavor text for the hut. To discourage people from vandalizing the huts, the AP cost should be very high. Say, 50 to 75 AP. After all, it takes a lot of effort to clean out a house, even if it is a one room hut. This would allow Czech1, for instance, to customize his tavern to actually LOOK like a tavern. Traders' huts and supply huts could not be modified, naturally.|
suggest_time=14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Another option might be that somehow a hut is tagged as being owned by someone and only they can modify the description. There would have to be some way to lay claim to a hut and some way to prevent it being taken over. Perhaps you have to 'reclaim' the hut once every X days (say 8 for those who only get to play once a week) otherwise it becomes open to all to claim? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. How does one get claim over the hut? Do clans of some sort get first picks over a 'first come' basis, or perhaps an NPC landlord demands payment and shows up at your hut to collect it? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

I like the idea, I especially like me being mentioned lol.. I think that in some cases one can just pick a hut and make it theirs (I've used the same hut for months, and all I did was walk inside one day and make it a tavern, it was empty.) Maybe like, the hut has to be empty for you to lay claim to it? I dunno. --[[User:CzEcH|czech1]]

I like the idea. It would make my chars available for more roaming around Shartak, but what and how much would you have to pay for it? Maybe donators get to claim one hut permanently? [[Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Major game change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Combat|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Let's break this down, in order of importance. It's a series of suggestions for more 'realistic' gameplay. Please comment on it even if you hate it.

A)I think that real-time attacking of the NPCs is a brilliant idea. However, it's very frustrating being killed in your sleep, as much as not rewarding killing others in their sleep is. Thus, is it possible to code an 'auto-behaviour' when away so that if someone attacks you, you fight back? That would make combat memorable.

B)Nerf HP to 10 or 20 so that it's more deadly (and realistic), or bump up weapon damage, A LOT. That would make for more 'deadly' encounters. Bumping up weapon damage would also make sure weapon attacks can be differentiated more easily, while right now all attacks do 1 to 4 damage. It would also make the whole 'average dmg per AP' pointless since this ain't a math problem, it's a game. To make sure however that you won't kill 40 people in a single turn, bump the AP cost of an attack to either 5 or an amount depending on the weapon, e.g. a knife would have 3 AP but a halberd 7 etc.

C)Is there a chance combat is instead a 'contested' roll? E.g. Instead of rolling to hit, if someone attacks another in melee, both roll and highest (with mods) is the one who gets to strike and damage. If not, perhaps it'd be great if there was a 'defense' skill too, like every time you're attacked and it doesn't miss, there's an X% that the attack is voided.

D)Speed of a weapon- how often it can attack. Weapons with higher reach like spears should get accuracy bonuses, but those with higher speed should attack more often. That'd probably be caused by a varied amount of AP per 'attack' or 'round' of combat, like I said, 2 AP for a punch, 3 for a knife, 4 for a machete, 5 for a sword, 6 for a spear, 7 for a halberd etc.

|
suggest_time=12:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]]|
suggest_comments=

Some comments (edited/expanded) originally posted on the forum topic: 
(B) I personally wouldn't enjoy much more deadly encounters - swimming with the sharks is dangerous enough, let alone if my characters only had 10/20 hitpoints. Player characters should be special too - not cannon fodder for anyone just walking around killing everything they see. 
(C) It might be a nice tweak if some NPCs were more difficult to fight - perhaps a 'defense' attribute/skill, which is subtracted from the attack percentage? But keep it small values (10-20%) so that you don't get any situations where a low level character can't touch a high level character? Opposed rolls is more complexity - keeping the dynamic simpler would seem to be a good idea, no? 
(D) This is a real time game. It doesn't have 'rounds'. That paradigm doesn't work on the Island. The shartak weapon/combat system is reasonably simple currently - does this really add any value, or just make the game more complex? 
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, everything Johan said. Plus, Shartak has developed in such a way that it is a game of exploration, not a combat oriented first person shooter. Making it deadlier does not make it more realistic, it just makes it more like Doom. If you want realism, how about an NPC police force that gathers evidence on random murders, hunts down the murderer, arrests them and either jails them or executes them? That's what happens in the real world. lol --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Johan's (C) - the defense attribute - is actually already implemented for NPCs and has been for a long time. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible to extend it to PCs as some kind of defense skill or armour-like item. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why not both skills and armour-like items? Skills could perhaps require 'Close quarter combat' as a pre-requisite, 'Close quarter defense' - giving a defense attribute of 10%, and 'Advanced Close quarter defense' adding +10% on top of that? Items could be 'shield' and 'helmet' giving a +10% - and if there was a way for an item to degrade overtime, then newbie outsiders/pirates could perhaps start with an item that gives a +20% as additional newbie protection? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
}}

=== Huts: Body Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New action|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Allow Shartak characters to dump dead bodies outside of huts through a new action button that appears when they're inside a hut and there's a body there. 1 body per 1 AP spent.|
suggest_time=02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

What's the point of this? They're not like in Urbandead when the dead come back to life and eat people. -[[User:Kutless55|Kutless55]] 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:It just strikes me as unrealistic that folk are going to keep dead bodies lying around in huts. Moving the body outside doesn't have much if any game impact beyond allowing folk to clear the huts of bodies.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

::It would be kind of cool to kill someone and dump their body in th river. but what about dumping them in holes and burying them? How would that work? - First Amongst Daves

You carry the body to the river, like an inventory item? Or to the hole. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you would get XP for burying a body. [[Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Villagers as NPCs===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New NPC - Villager|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=This might require extreme coding, but will add to an already fantastic game. Essentially, villagers are NPCs. They are localised to squares entirely surrounded by cleared jungle. There could be ten villagers per square (turning off "see villagers" could be in the preferences to restrict annoyance). A camp needs 50 villagers to maintain an ammo hut, medical hut, shaman, and trader. For every 50 villagers after that, search odds in the huts are improved by 10%. Villagers could be attacked by enemies of the camp, but would have the same stats as elephants (high HP, good defence rate - reflecting reality). This would allow five developments which, in my very humble newbie opinion, might aid the game.

1) Players could all be soldiers/pirates/warriors/scouts/scientists, etc., i.e. playing the hero, without having to play as boring old villagers.

2) Attacks on camps would be meaningful, as lowering the number of villagers will hurt, or even wipe out opposition camps.

3) The Shipwreck would have no villagers, giving the pirates more distinction from outsiders.

4) Maxed-out players might find it more interesting.

5) Players could create new camps (perhaps only maxed-out players could have this new skill, "Colonise").

There could be distinctions between native and outsider villagers, etc. It might be very complicated to spawn new villagers once more squares are cleared as well. Anyway, it's a suggestion, what do you think?|
suggest_time=14:08, 14 March 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this idea a lot. What would be the mechanism for regeneration of villagers? If some version of this is introduced, the old discussion of Defense comes up. There is absolutely 0 means to defend an area in the game right now, thus no way to protect your village(/viallagers) from being killed. I think that some means of defense is a 'must' if this is done. And a combination of this and defense would be a major boost for the game. There are several player-based inherent problems that come up, for example an Armadox or a Keichi or a Long Fin Killie, who freely and prolifically kill their own people, and cant be kicked out of town because the local shaman revives them cheap, might take to slaughtering their own civilians. Then of course there would be people creating alternate accounts specifically to attack these villagers of other towns, e.g. a pirate creating 2 or 3 dalpok natives whose sole goal is using every one of their AP attacking dalpok npc-villagers. (Perhaps local PKers and alt-abusers could be discouraged by having a light curse imposed on any character every time they kill one of their own villagers, 'the spirits are very displeased that you killed one of your own people'). Some means of actually being able to actually damage or even occupy(!) a settlement is thinking down the right path for sure. As of now we have no way of doing so, and this limits the game. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC

Hmmm, not bad. But attacking npcs to hurt a town would make it like a Halo Oddball game. Perhaps you'd get cursed even if you just TRY to attack (ie. miss) a friendly npc villager. But healing them won't curse you. They'd die just like everyone else too!
They could respawn just like every other npc. But make them have professions. Like blacksmith, farmer, woodcutter, sculptor, etc. They could also wander around town, you know, like real village people.
On the screen you can see them as an outsider and if you hover your mouse over them, they show the blacksmith or such. Like.. 10 villagers per camp. The shipwreck should have crewmen, the cook and the cabin boy! -[[User:Elegost55|Elegost55]] 08:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

These are good points alright. I would imagine that defence should be down to the players - although I like the idea of a "wall" square, similar to heavy jungle. Attackers would have a 20% chance of chopping it, and have to chop it twice to get through. Once inside the camp, if villagers are ten to a square, and have the stats of elephants, the attacker will have to be quite brave to go it alone. Large-scale attacks (as in real life) will be the only way to go, and given the nature of the game, and of th'innernet itself, defenders will have some warning of large-scale attacks and can work out a defence plan.

In relation to attacking your own villagers, this should result in them attacking you - a 2HP fine per AP-used until you leave the camp - and you would never be allowed back again. This exile-type character would appeal to some.

I like the idea of real jobs, it would add colour to the game. I'd leave this up to Simon, though - if he does go to all the trouble of coding this, he should have the fun of making up villager roles (i.e. "In this square are two Farmhands, a Town Drunk, a Blacksmith, and a Lady of Negotiable Virtue"). -[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]


}}

===Vow of Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=PKing opt out improvement|
suggest_scope=Any characters where the player decides to opt their character out of pking|
suggest_description=A vow of peace could be sought from any of the NPC Shamans. Such a vow has the following effects:
 
(i) The character who has taken the vow cannot be attacked by another character. Any attempt to attack results in no AP consumption, and the message "such-and-such has taken a vow of peace - the spirits of the land prevent you from attacking them". 
(ii) The character who has taken the vow cannot attack another character, without confirming the attack. Confirming the attack results in immediate damage to the effect of half the character's hp - "As punishment for breaking your vow, you are wracked with pain as wounds appear on your body". 
Taking a vow of peace would require that the character sacrifice one of: 
500 AP (as they meditate at the feet of the shaman, they can't play the character for nearly a week); OR 
1000 GP (only 18 characters currently have that much); OR 
2000 XP (only high level characters who've maxed out).
 
I realise that there are those who find the pk'ing element exciting or vital to their game - please realise (and perhaps respect) that there are those of us who have tired of it, don't find it exciting and not vital to OUR game. There's lots said about how Shartak is the game that you make it - it's hard to do that if you're constantly being involved in someone else's game.|
suggest_time=05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this, this isn't just somebody's way of getting out of an annoying game feature, this is kind of like a way of life. You'd have to bend your character around the vow, rahter than just buying it and laughing. I'm not going to take it, but I can see why people would like to, and I support that --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 06:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. I would make a few minor alterations to this suggestion though. Instead of attack attempts resulting in no AP consumption, perhaps they should use the normal amount of AP but the spirits of the land prevent the blow from reaching its target. Not sure about the AP cost to get it enabled - perhaps 5 days worth instead of 7? Also, if you break the vow and are wounded, maybe you should start bleeding from those wounds in a similar manner to being bitten by a shark. Any more comments? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like this, definitely needs some work though.
Perhaps rather than taking 5/7 days worth of ap, it halves peoples AP for a week? I see people taking a vow of peace and never coming back to the game, due to getting bored waiting.
I'm not sure about the bleeding, maybe something more, ''spirity'' but with a similar effect? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 21:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Policy Discussion===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!


}}

===Snakes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Event|
suggest_scope=Grasslands|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when searching grasslands, there is a slight chance to find a poison snake, which will then bite you. I propose a small change. In additon to biting for 3 damage, make it so the poison effects the player for the next three actions, similar to a poison dart. |
suggest_time=02:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=
:Shouldn't detract from the game, adds a little more realism at no cost apart from discouraging some people from searching grasslands. Sounds good to me. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::Snakes would also explain where the natives derive toxin for their darts. - First Amongst Daves

::: I like this, but with this added risk would anyone still bother with searching the area? It seems the grasslands should have some added benefit too, besides just more negatives. [[User:Blahmicho|Blahmicho]] 23:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Gun Smiths===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses guns|
suggest_description=Back in the 1700's rich aristocrats would have custom firearms made for them. What I am proposing is that the outsider settlements be given a gunsmith. For a substantial fee these gun smiths could make improvements on your guns. These changes wouldn't be instant so you would have to come back later. Some of these improvements could be increased ammo capacity, more barrels on the gun, make it cause more damage etc. To keep it balanced the better the improvement the more it would cost and the longer it would take to do.|
suggest_time= 19:25, 12 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Only if guns are made breakable and the natives get a blowpipesmith. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Breakable (misfire/blowing up in hands/etc) guns are partially implemented - I have a few bits to finish off first though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
see my suggestion native temples [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

Well, if the weaponsmiths are introduced and weapons start blowing in hands, I'd like to see "good-quality weapons", which don't have the possibility of breaking. [[User:Mill Wilkinson|Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Additional Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Pirates/Outsiders|
suggest_description=
As discussed here - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,364.15.html - Why not have a fleet of ships sitting offshore from the wreck, anchored and not moving? Say, five of them, each with masts, holds and the other features which we see on the shipwreck. Only accessible from the ocean by climbing the chain from the anchor to the deck.

A few benefits:

1. it explains the proliferation of pirates on the island. No one expects such a huge number of pirates from one vessel.

2. it gives pirates and people tempting the dangers of the shipwreck something new to explore, and potential turf wars between pirates. Some of the wrecks could have particular dangers or advantages - for example, a hold in one ship could have an abundance of gems, and another be filled with rats. While I'm suggesting five ships offshore from the shipwreck, it could just as easily be three, or it could be ten. The idea is to have several in any event. It would get the pirates engaged in intrigue against each other over turf, and make the area more attractive to other players.

3. it takes the place of the numerous huts you see in villages, which the shipwreck lacks.

Incidental to this suggestion is to have other ships sitting offshore from the outsider villages - there is a natural inlet north-west of York which I figured would be a suitable harbour. Other non-pirate ships at other strategic places, like the abandoned ruins are, but specifically offshore the settlements to explain how the settlers got there. This idea includes a ship on a river, to make the rivers even more interesting, and a ship beneath the eastern marsh, to attract players out there. All of those ships could be taken by any group determined enough to do so - pirates, natives, outsiders - maybe with roaming shamans nearby to assist.

This suggestion does not require any new coding innovation - you would simply replicate the coding for the shipwreck, but at other locales.

So, in summary with some suggestions on locations for other ships:

1. one ship in Unity Bay near the island

2. one ship in the Long Fin River delta given the number of players in the locality

in addition to:

3. the eastern swamp, to encourage travel to that region

4. the harbour north of York, giventhe large numbers of people in York and the amount of traffic that route gets

and of course:

5. the flotilla at the wreck, of 3+ ships

6. a ship in the water at each settlement.

Finally, the shipwreck only has one mast. While it may be that other mast were destroyed in the wreck, a one masted sloops is an unlikely choice of pirate ship. Corvettes and frigates had three masts. I am guessing it would be possible to easily create three masted ships.|
suggest_time=15 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

* Does it only have one mast or is it just one mast that you can climb? It wouldn't be easy to create one with 3 masts that you can climb unless it occupied 3 separate map blocks and that would make for a very large ship. Moving the ships around would be quite complicated indeed and would be prone to people disappearing into non-existent map areas or being left stranded at the top of the mast with no way to get down. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not moving the ships then? And if the original shipwreck is actualy a one mast sloop, then why couldn't the frigates/corvettes take up three squares? it makes more sense than having a sloop the size of a frigate. This is all ofcourse, based on the size of the shipwreck...just ignore me and carry on...--[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 19:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:Assuming GPS co-ords are correct, isn't 1 block about 100m ? Were ships 300m long? We're talking roughly 900ft... seems awfully big. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Simon, yes, I figured the mechanics of moving ships would be too difficult. The suggestion is that the ships are static, effectively "landmarks' at sea for people to climb over. They would not move, but be anchored at sea and approachable only from the sea. As for the masts, wouldn't the easiest thing simply be to have three options in one square, like you have with the shipwreck (the hold, the armoury, the galley)? "Climb main mast", "climb aft mast" and "Climb mizzen mast" would be options for players, all on the one square. - Dave
:::If they were fake masts then yes, that could be done. The current ship has a real mast where when you go up, you actually go up to a level above everything else. Shartak has a 4D map (x,y,z,inside), unlike UD that has a psuedo-3D (x,y,in_or_out) - it's hard to explain, but going up from one block to 3 different blocks just won't work. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Simon, how does Shartak handle multiple huts in the same square? If the masts were treated as 'huts' instead of up/down movement, perhaps that might work? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, exactly the same sort of thing. - Dave
::::::Huts are treated as inside, because that's what they are. The difference between up/down and inside is that there can be multiple levels of inside but only 1 up/down. Hard to explain really without lots of complicated diagrams, but it allows all kinds of interesting tricks with the map such as tunnels that can cross over even at the same depth without actually becoming a crossroads. It does make generating the map somewhat awkward at times though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since Masts don't essentially take you anywhere - and assuming the rigging is such that it's impossible to venture from one mast to another - for this suggestion at least, treating Masts as Huts would seem to work as a solution? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Native Temples===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Natives|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to try to balance out the gun smith suggestion but I think it should be a separate suggestion. A blowpipesmith wouldn't make sense but a martial arts temple would. Each native village would have a temple and each would teach a unique fighting style and sell unique sets of weapons. A lot of native tribes back then had really awesome fighting styles. Even if you don't like the gun smith idea I think this would help balance things for the natives.|
suggest_time=13 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Fair enough, not a bad idea. But if you want that, and gunsmiths, then its unbalanced for pirates. http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Items#Flintlock_Pistols my Golden oldie of a suggestion balances this. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good I can't wait to get a pistol.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

The suggestion is very old now, i made it when i first came onto the game. Its unlikely that Simon will implement it now, sadly. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, November -> March was a pretty busy time. As Kenny said, I might just be waiting for the right time (got to keep the balance between native/outsider after all). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

He may still put pistols in the game, he might just be waiting for the right time to do it.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Trader Shipments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=My suggestion is that once a week or month traders get re-supplied from the mainland. With this previously rare items like shovels will be temporarily cheaper.|
suggest_time=11:07 April 16|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

:This is good, but only if some settlements get shipments of an item and others don't. Economies are built on scarcity. Think about the price of rifles in most Outsider settlements. They are non-consumables, never need to be replaced once a player has enough rifles, so they have virtually no value at the trader's hut. The consumables, which must be constantly replenished (eg: first aid kits), are the more valuable commodities. Dumping a large shipment of any one item would cause the trade value of that item to plummet, thereby nerfing those players who scavenge and sell as their main occupation in the game. On the other hand, if the shipments arrive unevenly (eg: first aid kits to Derby and shovels to Durham) then scavengers would have a reason to travel. --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 11:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::At the risk of giving away too much info, shovels are not something that can be found. I believe the traders trade items for the raw materials and sit in their huts making the shovels themselves. After all, it's not like they're busy all the time. It keeps the prices up as they can only make one or two a day. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Class change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill fettling|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently people are stuck in whatever class they've chosen, often leaving them unable to get skills they would find useful for whatever they're ''actually'' doing.

So i'm suggesting a possible way to help these people, by offering a class change option which could be implemented by having it as an option that'd cost however much your next skill would cost, may also work as a temporary (single use) skill that allows a class change. possibly just giving you back the XP/levels you spent on any class-specific skills and dropping your level to match.|
suggest_time=08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Htkl|Htkl]]|
suggest_comments=

Any penalty for changing classes should be fairly hefty IMO. I think today I'll be a shaman, exorcise those spirits, ok now I want to be a villager to get the better scavenging search rates, and then having found all the herbs I need, I'll switch to a warrior and go take out some animals. Unless I've misunderstood the suggestion, giving back the XP for class specific skills could lead to this kind of thing. You should lose the XP for class specific skills - now that would be a sufficient deterrent to frivolous class switching. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think 100 XP is a reasonable return, I'm even tempted to suggest it as a standard game mechanic. --[[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::I really dislike this. The unique classes and skills are integral to the flavour of Shartak. This would alter things drastically and for frivolous reasons. If you need a certain skillset (e.g. shaman) try cooperating with another player in game. I vote "No, no, no!" --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Extra Revive Option===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=people who die|
suggest_description=I propose that we add an option to contact a shaman at a village other than the one you start at for 50 AP. You would be able to pick which village you respawn at.|
suggest_time=May 16 13:23|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

I think that if you should die in a foreign village, you should also be able respawn there or at your home shaman if you choose. Spawning anywhere sounds too much like teleportation. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 17:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Originally you could respawn at the nearest shaman if you were stood on the same square. This led to some rather tedious XP farming with two opposing sides sat on the shaman square in Dalpok and as soon as you died, you were revived and got killed again. Let's please try not to go there again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah I see, I've never actually died so I'm a little newbish in the death department. Maybe if it was possible to tell how far away the closest roaming shaman was, determined by squares from where you died. Or if thats too precise perhaps work it like your home beacon: Roaming Shaman 50AP (Very far east) --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 01:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Ok, I logged into my idle test pirate. 'es dead.
:What if outsiders could be revived in another outsider town if they are in it and natives could be revived in another native town if they are in it. Pirates would remain the same. [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Well===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New inanimate object|
suggest_scope=Everyone in a village|
suggest_description=Being a friendly fellow, I like to use my healing herbs on others and drink water for healing myself. The problem is, I have to treck a long distance to find any form of fresh water. What I propose is that in the center of every village there be a well. The well would be equipped with a bucket that would be used to bring water up from the well. For 1 AP, you can bring up the bucket that will be full of fresh water. Clicking on an empty gourd or bottle in your inventory would fill it with water, costing 1 AP each. After taking 10 scoops of water, it would need to be refilled for 2 AP (1 to drop the bucket, 1 to bring it back up). If you happen to attempt to get water from an empty bucket (0AP) a message would appear "The bucket is empty. Perhaps you should fill it back up with water."

The well would have an ingame graphic and would have a description of whether the bucket is down or up - "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is raised to the top." / "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is somewhere down below."
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suggest_time=17:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]]|
suggest_comments=


:Hmmmm...awesome! I'm sure some clever person will think of a reason why this shouldn't be thought about, but right now, I think this is pretty good. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Sounds good. I like drinking water! -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 13:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Another endorsement of this suggestion - more ways to get fresh water (healing) sounds like a good improvement - and given the distance from some native settlements to bodies of fresh water, this would help explain where the traders get all their bottled water from. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Waves to erase Beach Writing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game tweak|
suggest_scope=Writing on the Beach.|
suggest_description=From time to time wave activity on the beaches should have a random chance to corrupt, partially erase or fully erase the writing in the sand.

'Shark free swim zone' could for example be corrupted to 'Fark free ... zone' or partially erased to 'Shark ... swim ...'.|
suggest_time=03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this one very much. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pollution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environmental effect|
suggest_scope=Litterbugs, people near them|
suggest_description=Whether you believe the spirits are punishing you for waste or the rats just like to lick the empty bottles, dropping tons of items has to have an effect. Items dropped are tallied daily and used to update the environmental status of the area like jungle growth. More polluted areas are more likely to turn up items in a search but are less likely to be useful. If an area is polluted enough there is a chance that increases with pollution that one could be damaged by walking through, searching, or staying for a prolonged time. Pollution can be cleaned up with a shovel.|
suggest_time=08:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Idle Characters===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Idle character event|
suggest_scope=Any non donor characters who have been idle for 8 weeks or greater.|
suggest_description=Per Simon's input to a discussion on the forum - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,502.msg15514.html#msg15514:

<blockquote>"The inactivity timeline would be something like:
 
Idle 1 week - you "disappear" from the map (taken steps to hide yourself from people and animals).
 
1-2 weeks - an email would be sent out informing you that your character has hidden and is safe from attack. This is sometimes enough to prompt people to return to Shartak, although I've not sent any out for a while.
 
8 weeks - your body is discovered and you're automatically dead because you starved to death or something. The discovery of your body causes you to be dragged back to your home town and dumped in the graveyard (now visible on the map as a decomposing corpse).
 
After 8 weeks of being inactive, your body is then vulnerable to grave robbers (search corpse button appears when in that square) and you may find that you return after a long break to find you have nothing in your inventory, but at least you're at home.
 
Perhaps we could even have it so that instead of being dragged back to your home town, your decomposing body is just left wherever you were. Once your inventory is empty and someone searches your corpse, you'd enter a final state where you don't appear on the map again (body disintegrates completely)."</blockquote>

This suggestion got several positive comments from forum members.
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suggest_time=11:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Discussion with Entropy resulted in a slight modification - leave player with one weapon (either a machete or cutlass) - assuming they had one to start with. That way they're not completely stuck if they contact roaming shaman and end up in the middle of d10 jungle miles from anywhere. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
: I much prefer the idea the latter idea that your body would be found where or near where you were last active. I say 'near where' since it seems more realistic to find bodies of those who drowned in deep water on the beaches of Shartak or the smaller Islands. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


}}

===Terrain Without Trekking Changes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement.|
suggest_scope=Newbies/players without Trekking.|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when a player doesn't have Trekking, while jungle density 0 squares are .5 AP per, other types of terrain which should also be .5 AP per square are, instead, 1 AP per. These include settlements at density 0 (despite that the jungle is .5 AP, movement inside settlements is 1 AP), Grasslands, and Beaches. I propose these be changed. |
suggest_time=02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=

To me density 0 jungle is dirt with maybe some short grass - solid ground with obvious paths and easy to walk through. Grasslands is more like grassland savannahs with grass high enough to hide a tiger in, and high grass is a bit tough to walk through and find a path in. Walking through beaches can be tough too - sand isn't very solid and continually gives. Don't know about the town, makes more sense to walk faster through there, unless there are a lot of imaginary people or trash in the streets.
* Well said mystery commenter. The only one that might be sensible to change is the town - I probably missed something in the code. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Outposts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement!!! =p|
suggest_scope=Clans and overpopulation|
suggest_description=Outpost: A location that acts as a base of operations for a clan and containing a “home shaman” for that clan.|
suggest_time=01:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Pardus|Pardus]]|
suggest_comments=

Things that I’m leaving completely open for debate: Almost everything, including how they are gained and lost, what other things they’ll contain (if any), well basically everything, more interested in getting the basic idea on the table. [[User:Pardus|Pardus]]

I think a Shaman is a bit much, but I dont see why the odd hut in the middle of nowhere cant have some kind of basic trader or searching hut. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 20:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

* maybe player shaman revives, hmmm? --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Monuments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Descriptions|
suggest_description=Monuments would be the same as signposts, but they would be harder to make, to destroy and instead of driftwood they would be made with sharpening stones. 
These player made creations are meant to record certain important events for a long time, and even though signposts can be used to do this, they are usually destroyed fairly qickly because of their weakness. 
It would take about 20 sharpening stones as well as 50 AP to create a monument and 50 hits would be needed to destroy one. 
This should make sure that people don't "monument spam" determined areas and at the same time it would discourage vandals to eliminate parts of history. 
Once created, monuments would display the text "There is a stone monument here. It reads" followed by the creator's message. 
Unless it is difficult or impossible to program, it could be possible to place both a signpost and a monument on the same square. 

Original discussion can be found here: [http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,633.0.html] 

The entire suggestion is not mine, though, it is based on the ideas of G3N, Tomn, Cthulhu, Black Joe and others who posted in the thread mentioned above.|
suggest_time=16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Can't have sign and monument on the same block (or monument and hut/tree/etc). I don't see sharpening stones being all that useful for building monuments either - I'm thinking they're about 2 inches wide, perhaps an inch thick, and maybe 4-6 inches long. What you'd be wanting is a pickaxe and be able to "harvest" large rocks from the mountain sides or tunnels. These rocks would take 2 inventory spaces and every 4 rocks carried would impose an extra 1AP movement cost.. etc etc oh dear, it's all getting a bit complicated now! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

: A pickaxe would be nice, but complicated, indeed.
:However, large rocks could be found on jungle squares, just like driftwood can be found on the beach.
:Instead 20 sharpening stones and 50 AP it would take 10 large stones and 10 AP to build a monument (finding the stones will be hard enough by itself).
:I think that another way to simulate its weight would be having it take up 5 inventory spaces. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

To make it simpler, you could make rocks take up more space in the inventory, instead of imposing an additional movement penalty Simon. Rocks could take up 5 inventory spaces instead of the 2 you first proposed, making it difficult for a player to carry more than what is necessary to make a monument. I don't have a single character that has more than 20 spaces available, but that's me. One more thing, I think attacking a monument is possible with swords and machetes, but should increase the chances of breakage by a huge amount. Best way to destroy a monument should be with a pickaxe or a rifle. --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

:Maybe if the stones for the monuments where only found around Mount Shartak (so you'd have to travel a fair bit to aquire them)or maybe even only in the caves. And also if a monument-worth of stones filled up your '''whole''' inventory (you'd have to emty your inventory in a hole somwhere to pick it up later) - So to build a monument you'd need allies (for protection), knowing of the island, be ready to potentially loose your inventory (however rather unlikely) and a fair deal of time dedicated to it. The reason for these pretty harsh conditions to build a monument is to prevent them popping up everywhere. Also, you probably could rise the HP of the monument a bit more in this case. --[[User:Big Kahuuna|Big Kahuuna]] 10:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Poll===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Active terrain|
suggest_scope=Citizens|
suggest_description=At the centre of each camp, village, and on the deck of the shipwreck is a polling station that could either activate at a set interval or as a request to Simon. The presence of an active polling station for your settlement adds the Vote action with a field to add the name of the canidate you are voting for. At the end of the election the winner is anounced and the polling station changes into a sign indicating the current governor, chief, or captain.|
suggest_time=22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

That's not a bad idea...as long as everyone still votes me in as police captain... but at the shipwreck, what would you have there? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

A captain, a first-mate (doing police-stuff), the rum-master... [[User:Mill Wilkinson|Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

=== Oyster Bed ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=Certain [[Water]] and [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would become oyster beds. Oyster beds would not be visible from the surface but would be reported to anyone who dives at their location...
:''Peering through the murky waters you see oysters scattered across the river/lake/sea bed.''
Oyster beds would have a yield and replenish rate for searches similar to the yield rate for fruit-bearing trees and bushes. Diving and successfully searching would yield [[Suggestions:Items#Oysters|oysters]].

Suggested locations for beds of edible oysters would be one or more of the mouth of the northern [[Water#River|River]], the [[Water#Pool|Pool]] that feeds that river, the great [[Water#Lake|Lake]] between [[Wiksik]] and [[Raktam]] and the shallow water N of [[Unity Island]].

Suggested locations for combined beds of edible and pearl-bearing oysters would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

=== Sunken Wreck ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=One or perhaps two [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would feature a sunken wreck on the seabed. The sunken shipwreck would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be a large dark shape beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching a sunken wreck could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a cutlass, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of rum or beer, a FAK, a silver skull cross, a rifle, a box of bullets etc.

Suggested locations for a sunken wreck would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island, the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the W tip of the Durham Peninsula and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] S / SE of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Read the comment below, mr. author :) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea of underwater things. New items and landmarks submerged under is a plus.--[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Submerged Ruins ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=A specific [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] location would feature a submerged ruin on the seabed. The submerged ruin would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be regular rectangular shapes on the seabed beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching the ruin could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a machete, a spear, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of beer, a healing herb, a rabbit foot charm, a blowpipe, a bundle of darts etc.

Suggested locations for a submerged ruin would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

More underwater-only items please. Every item you mentioned can be found in the plain ol' jungle, hence submerged ruins are not so interesting place to visit. Maybe heavy machete or sth liek that? :) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pirate Talk!===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=wierd pirates only thing|
suggest_scope=pirates|
suggest_description=
I saw the filter for today's event! Int. TLAP day. And it hit me, why not make a filter for pirates to talk that way? It could be an optional thing, one could turn it on or off using the edit profile page.
If its turned on, the said pirate would talk like a pirate till he turns it off.|
suggest_time=04:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elegost|Elegost]]|
suggest_comments=

As an optional filter for pirates, this sounds great. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 05:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
*Darn, you beat me to it! I was going to suggest the exact same thing. And I was on the way to do that before I saw this. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 18:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
**Excellent idea. I'm getting a bit tired of always translating my own text to pirate talk all the time. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 18:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
***Seems like a good idea. Most of the code should already be there? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 17:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Shartak Mountain===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environment / mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to alter the basic location description to include the direction and approximate distance (near / distant / far) in which Shartak Mountain can be seen e.g.:
:''Looming over you to the S is the bulk of Shartak Mountain.''
:''Off in the distance E you can see Shartak Mountain.''
:''Far to the NW you can see the cloud-covered peak of Shartak Mountain.''
Jungle density that restricts line-of-sight would also block the view of the mountain. The direction would be plotted to the (theoretical) peak of Shartak Mountain as defined by Simon.

This suggestion is intended to ease navigation for new players and to explain how natives get around without the use of outsider devices. By default all the compass directions are known to starting characters as mini-map orientation remains consistent; presumably they carry a compass. If characters are not presumed to have a compass see my [[Suggestions:Items#Compass|Compass]] suggestion.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 12:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Would help people with out a map get their bearings a bit. Gives some distinction in the jungle without actually adding a landmark. Gets my vote! --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 19:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
* how come I never thought of that ;) Very useful one. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Malaria===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Disease|
suggest_scope=Can affect anyone|
suggest_description=This is a suggestion about implementing a disease into Shartak. Malaria, as many of you may know, is caused by mosquitos. Mosquitos are drawn to stagnant water (in fact malaria actually means 'bad air' and used to be known as 'marsh/swamp fever'), and people bitten by them can become infected. I'd like to see mosquitos around the swamp areas, and anyone searching in them facing the liklihood of being bitten and infected. Side effects could either be gradual health loss over a period of time, or loss upon action (i.e. 3HP lost everytime you move). Cures could either be from first aid kits, healing herbs, or maybe even tasty berry juice. I think it would be a good idea to implement this to counter the number of people searching in swamps for, er, certain items.

There is also the possibilty of introducing other animal borne diseases into Shartak e.g. rabid monkey, if they bite and infect you it costs additional AP to perform a task. |
suggest_time=16:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Roman Totale|Roman Totale]]|
suggest_comments=

* I'd support this idea but with modifications. Shark bites inflict 1 HP bleeding per AP - tsetse fly bites should not have 3 times the effect of the shark bite. Perhaps shark bites should have their effect increased? Furthermore, malarial fever does not occur immediately after biting - there should be a time delay before onset e.g. 120 APs plus or minus a random amount. Malaria is also difficult to cure - FAKs and herbs should have an XX% chance of '''not''' effecting a cure. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 19:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps a new item, or something mixed in with berry juice? I don't know how much a First Aid kit would do againts a disease.--[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 21:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
* melikes. (like my protozoa suggestion, dirty amoebas with trembling pseudopods...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but curing malaria involves (at least it involved in every malaria in jungle book I've read) quinine, so we could have new item implemented, found at 2% in a med hut/deep jungle (?). Effects could occur from time to time (like with real malaria), making you lose a little HP and lots of AP while trying to do anything. The attack would wear off with time or could be stopped immediately with quinine (or fak /herbs). --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 20:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:Quinine is also found in tonic water - all we need now is some gin...--[[User:Roman Totale|Roman Totale]] 07:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:Offtopicizing, a Kingdom of Loathing direction ;) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Change To Seance===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Altered mechanics|
suggest_scope=Shaman, Villager and Settler|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for an alteration to the shamanic 'Seance' skill. At present the use of 'Seance' merely reveals the passive spirits in the current location square. With this alteration the use of 'Seance' would automatically make all nearby spirits visible to the Shaman on the mini-map in the same way that other players or animals are visible in the mini-map. This would allow for efficient, targeted exorcisms.

Upon pressing the 'Seance' button the Shaman would expend 5 APs to enter into a trance. Once in the trance the 'Seance' button would change to 'Leave Trance'. Whilst the Shaman is in the trance all spirits in range become visible on the mini-map. This visibility would include showing spirits ''inside'' a hut if the shaman is outdoors and spirits in the terrain ''outside'' a hut if the shaman is indoors. Any actions taking by the Shaman (with the exception of an Exorcism) cost an additional 2 APs per action e.g. moving 1 square with Trekking would be 2.5 APs, entering/leaving a hut would cost 3 APs, speaking would cost 3 APs.

The exact AP numbers for entering a trance and taking actions whilst in a trance are up for debate. As an alternative to changing the 'Seance' mechanic this could be made an additional skill called 'Spirit Vision' that has 'Seance' as a prerequisite or a complete renaming of the 'Seance' skill.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=


I rather like this, especially as an additional skill with Seance as a prerequisite. However I don't think it should allow you to see ghosts in a hut if you're outside, or see ghosts outside if you're in a hut [[User:Blahmicho|Blahmicho]] 00:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I like this suggestion, but I also agree with Blahmicho on not seeing ghosts inside a hut if you are outside and vice versa [[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

:What about a simpler form where you click Seance and it tells you what direction and how far away the strongest spirit presence can be felt? Another possibility: You sense a strong presence to the north, a weak presence to the south-east and a presence to the west.
:Weak = 1 spirit, strong = highest number found, no modifier = some number in between. Range could be anything up to about 10 blocks in all directions (covering 441 map squares in a 21x21 area) --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 13:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

::I think this one is probably redundant now. The ability to Invoke Spirits would see to save a lot of time / APs that might otherwise be spent searching. Is that not the case? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 09:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

}}

===A Shot at Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=whatever you want to think this is|
suggest_scope=to peacemakers|
suggest_description=
I have noted that violence remains to be the most popular way of gaining xp in game. I think peaceful means of gaining xp could be improved on.
Healing players of other races could give +3-5xp (depends on what simon would think), like when native heals pirate, pirate heals outsider, outsider heals native etc.
 Anyone who attacks someone for more than a total of 3hp then heals them would result in no extra xp gain for healing.
 eg. A pirate wandering in the jungle comes across a wounded native. He then taps the person with his cutlass for 3hp to see if its lama or some dangerous native, but it then turns out to be a friendly native. He then heals the native and gains +3xp for every heal he made.
 in the same way, a native fires a poison dart at an outsider by accident for 4hp, then heals the outsider. He doesn't gain any bonus xp for healing the player because he attacked for more than 3hp.
 This is again to promote peace in the island.|
suggest_time=12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elegost|Elegost]]|
suggest_comments=

Skull face, i know you won't support this. So please, just be quiet. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:I will make my comments and you will leave them intact please or I'll report you for wiki vandalism - this is a public page where we all have a voice. I vote '''No''' as this suggestion is based on flawed logic - why should an outsider healing a native he just stabbed gain more XP than an outsider healing an outsider victim of a native attack? It also has potential for exploitative stab-and-heal actions which could result in a disproportionate XP gain. Thumbs down. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 20:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::Apparently, you're not bright enough. I removed the entire section and replaced it with this NEW one. Can't remove comments that aren't there can i? ;) And the protection against xp-gaining abuse is already there. A cheaper version of the IFF, try to tap him with your weapon. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 08:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::May I suggest that you both ignore each other completely? Obviously, this will never be resolved, so continuing is simply pointless.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 02:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

One of the basic premises of the game is Natives vs Outsiders vs Pirates. A lot of players play that premise out - running a native who kills outsiders and vice versa. Those who choose to play peaceful characters typically do so because of role-playing reasons rather than in game rewards. I don't see that a small amount of XP (3-5) would necessarily persuade anyone to play in a more peaceful fashion. 
Furthermore, there are existing peaceful ways to ID a character whose identity you don't know, e.g. [Identify_Friend_or_Foe]. If you want to promote peace, using violence (even in small quantities) to identify seems a bit backwards - why not a simpler suggestion that you can ID people without having to hit them? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 20:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

: The first idea that most players get is that the game is like an island war. Natives vs Outsiders vs Pirates. But it isn't, there really is no set goal for anyone as far as i know,0 that's just the most obvious.
 And i'm merely just promoting island peace. And healing other races is a good start. Violence need not be the only way to play the game.
 I see your point on the stabbing thing. But not everyone has a gold coin to spare. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 08:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't really see this as necessary, but if you want it, how about transforming this into a karma system? Each character gets 3 types of karma for the 3 general classes of players (maybe 1 for NPC's too?). Each point of damage you inflict on a player subtracts that class karma points. Each point of heal you restore adds that class karma points. Once you reach a certain number of karma points, you get a bonus to healing that character class. E.g., you attack a native for 50 points, your karma is -50. Then you heal 5 natives for a total of 60 points, so your karma is now 10. If you happen to reach a karma of 200 (or other arbitrary number) for natives, you get 10% bonus XP per native heal. This could help eliminate the farming aspect, or at least raise the barrier to entry. To help eliminate single player abuse, every damage point could add -2 karma (bonus farming could still be done by two people working together). Karma could also lead to other skills, like "Intuition", to help identify people with low/high karma towards your class. And this could be used to help target those players over others - the attack drop-down in a room with many natives could list "a native", "a despicable native", and "a kindly native" for some average karma native, the lowest karma native, and the highest karma native, respectively. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 08:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Clan News===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Clan Organization|
suggest_scope=All clans|
suggest_description=Pretty simple idea; an in-clan news system that functions like the "Game News" system. Keeps clan members informed of any changes, updates, and so on without forcing them to check the forums, a wiki, or to meet the leaders personally. If server load is a problem (I dunno if it would be, but...), you could perhaps have a minimum amount of active players in the clan for news to work, or have a limit on how much news remains in the archives; for instance, only five news items at any time, with new, er, news deleting the oldest news..|
suggest_time=02:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Tomn|Tomn]]|
suggest_comments=

I really like this idea, as it gives clan leaders the opportunity to bring a message to his clan's members. 
Message boards and Wiki pages can be used to do the same, but many people don't check those, so in-game messaging would be much more effective. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 08:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

: I agree that this would be rather useful, with no ill side-effects. Two thumbs up! [[User:Blahmicho|Blahmicho]] 19:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Trade Quantity Control===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Trader mechanic|
suggest_scope=Players trading many high value items|
suggest_description=Trading 50 or so 2gc items takes a long time even if the price agreed on doesn't change. Instead of trading one item at a time and wasting ap why not trade more? I suggest a number box next to the selling item box that fuctions when the selling item is the more valueable and a number box next to the buying item that functions when the buying item is more valueable.|
suggest_time=21:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

===Direct Item Giving===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Players who wish to transfer items|
suggest_description=Direct item giving would allow a player to give an item to another player. 
It would work the same way as giving gold, but instead of different amounts of gold, a player could select from different items found in his or her inventory, and would be able to give one of those to another player on the same square for the cost of one AP. 
The menu would appear such as this: "Give [list of items] to [list of players]", and would be located under the gold giving menu. 
Even though it is currently possible to transfer items with the hole-transfer technique, doing that requires coordination and a lot of AP, so an easier way to do it would have many benefits for both the players who simply want to give others an item and those who want to set up their own shop or become a travelling trader. 
Cheating should also not be a problem, as Simon himself has said that he would make anti-cheating rules for this feature if it gets implemented. |
suggest_time=13:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

Parrotologists Society

2007-10-31T11:24:56Z

0000FF Beard:

Knights of the IRC Channel

2007-10-29T09:34:38Z

0000FF Beard: /* 5th October (or thereabouts) */

{{Clanbox|
clan_name=Knights of the IRC Channel|open_to=everyone|
clan_image=[[Image:Kotirc.png]]|
clan_membership=Quite a few, and increasing all the time|
clan_goals=Socialising and having a laugh|
clan_recruit=Anyone who frequents the IRC channel|
clan_contact=irc://irc.efnet.org/Shartak||sort_as=|
}}

== Events ==

=== 5th October (or thereabouts) ===
The challenge was to take Marvin's avatar, modify it in some way, and then use it as your own avatar on the official forum.
It didn't take long for it to be noticed - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php?topic=778.0

An image of all avatars used can be found here: [http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8958/alljx2.jpg]

== Topics ==

Any of the channel operators can change the topic, and frequently someone makes a comment that is either amusing or can be deemed dubious when taken completely out of context. Here are some of the more memorable.

{|
||Date
||Set by who?
||Topic
|-
||2007.07.10
||Spookey^
||<lama_in> you need to rename med hut to derby morgue rofl
|-
||2007.07.17
||Spookey^
||<]lama[> my typo feels deeply offended
|-
||2007.07.22
||Simon
||Island life with backpacks
|-
||2007.07.24
||]lama[
||Island life with backpacks ...and giant spiders?
|-
||2007.07.29
||^Simon^
||Island life with backpacks ...and giant centipedes?
|-
||2007.07.29
||]lama[
||Island life with backpacks ...and giant centipedes or other venomous npcs?
|-
||2007.08.03
||lama_no1
||Island life with pancakes
|-
||2007.08.04
||lama_no1
||Island life with backpacks full of pancakes
|-
||2007.08.07
||lama_no1
||...it used to sit naked in the fridge
|-
||2007.08.10
||Spookey^
||ASK NOT WHAT SHARTAK CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR SHARTAK
|-
||2007.10.06
||Spookey^
||* Simon^ hides behind Spookey^, "Kilshrek, take his brains.. they're tastier than mine"
|-
||2007.10.07
||Spookey^
||<Kilshrek> the only good pr0n is blonde pr0n
|-
||2007.10.07
||lama_no1
||<lama_no1> great now we're all perverts, thanks simon
|-
||2007.10.07
||^Simon^
||<foof> I went down again / will blow my bullets tomorrow
|-
||2007.10.08
||foof
||<Lexy> I read my cereal packet sometimes
|-
||2007.10.11
||^Simon^
||<Spookey^> The deer is 'serviced', lama! // Just wait until I service the lama!
|-
||2007.10.12
||^Simon^
||<lama_no1> you mean these potatoes can see my underwear?
|-
||2007.10.12
||^Simon^
||<Spookey^> being tagged as a 'pervert' is cool!
|-
||2007.10.13
||Spookzzzz
||<Armadox> I'm no hero, I'm an asshole and I hate people..
|-
||2007.10.15
||lamarb
||<Spookey^> I got Billy hot on my ass!
|-
||2007.10.16
||lamaway
||<Spookey^> I like to try different occasionally
|-
||2007.10.18
||Spookey^
||<Armadox> I've been fiddling with it for a while.
|-
||2007.10.19
||lama_no8
||<crashbot> ANAGRAM: ANAL RETURN? (20 points)
|}

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2007-10-25T08:58:04Z

0000FF Beard: /* Clan News */

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Game mechanics}}

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler.|
suggest_time=23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

*That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

*So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response to this idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)

}}

=== Capturing villages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands?|
suggest_time=03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

*You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
** Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


}}

=== Unique skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc.|
suggest_time=02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

*Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)

*I agree with this as well. It seems Shartak is on the way to giving each class their own benefits (Soldiers/Warriors with gun skills, Settlers/Villagers with animal affinity etc.), but so far only a few have been made unique. At present there is really no point to being a scientist. He starts with 10 gold coins... what the? So I'm pushing for each class to have at least one unique skill they can purchase with XP. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 11:50, 3 June 2006 (BST)

*I feel the introduction of the unique skill system would make the game much more interesting. but i disagree with the idea that people should just start off with one, rather i feel it should be purchased like the other skills on offer. Additionally rather they have one skill strand/branch like that of the gun skill or animal affinity, it would be interesting and more fun to have a multiple skill branches in line with the specific character classes, like for instance giving the soldiers/warrior classes defensive skill strands in additional to their offensive ones. Furthermore there should be distinctions between the native & outsider classes so they’re similar yet different. Like for instance the firearm/blowpipe skill upgrades are currently identical, I hope in future they could be retooled to promote native/outsider gameplay differences. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 03:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:*A for Anarchy is right about warrior/soldiers skill trees. One idea to lively things up is for Native warriors to get a skill allowing them to manufacture a poison dart if they have a bunch of poisonous berries. This will allow them to not have to go back to their home villages to restock on ammo, they could 'live off the land' by simply searching the local poisonous berry bushes and making poison darts themselves. Soldiers should get something else, in line with the theme of the game. (Of course if it was up to me, the whole ranged weapon system would be overhauled. Another problem with ranged weapons is that they are useless to non-soldierwarriors) [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

}}

=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

*Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
**Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
***Taming Skills (adds 30%)
*Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*1. Create several new skills, with Animal Affinity as a prerequisite:
**Small Animal Training (base 25% chance of success): by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a small animal (monkey, parrot or small deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random fun thing visible to thos around you. eg: a parrot might tell a little joke, the monkey might do a little dance, and the deer just stands there looking irrestibly cute.
***Large Animal Training (base 10% chance of success)by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a large animal (elephant, tiger or large deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random thing. eg: a elephant might trumpet majestically, the tiger might roar, and the deer does, umm, impressive deer stuff.
**Combat Trained Animals: Allows the possessor to command their large or small animal to attack. Mechanically this makes the previously trained animals into weapons. Small animals hit at 50%, doing 1 point of damage. Large Animals hit at 10%, but do 5 points of damage. With each attack, there would be a chance similar to that of a machete to go dull or break, in the case of an animal, though, it dies or runs off, and is therefore lost.
*2. Create an item called "Animal Feed". It would be available from the traders, for approximately the same as a FAK. It is used up by rolling either Train Animal skill, whether the roll is successful or not. In the case of Combat Trained Animals, it might be expended in a manner similar to a rifle's bullets. Not sure about that last part, though. lol


}}

=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

}}

=== Auto Attack ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.|
suggest_time=02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Qberry|Qberry]]|
suggest_comments=

* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*I support this idea in theory, but of course it must be approached carefully. I like JonesDye's idea of not gaining XP for counter-attacks, and there are so many other factors to consider. QBerry-- you should start a thread about this in the forums to get all sides of the debate and get discussion going. This could be a great feature if implemented correctly. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 4 June 2006 (BST)
*You snooze, you lose. I mean, it wouldn't make sense if you can fight while you're asleep, right? Simply sleep in a safe place to reduce the chances of your character getting killed. --[[User:Vkkhamul|Vkkhamul]] 21:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
:* See the end of the list at [[The Shartak Wiki:Community Portal#Greasemonkey scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

''Edit'':

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat|
suggest_time=06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Slith|Slith]]|
suggest_comments=

*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat? It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness. Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's [[Boatyard]]. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
****I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)
* i reckon the boat idea would be great especially for the CP so we are land police of york and water police of york!,hopefully this does work out!. [[User:Riddick|riddick]] 21:17 10 June,2006 (GMT).
*If boats are implemented, wouldn't it make sense to allow pirates a special skill regarding them? After all, the pirates on Shartak were all sailors before wrecking their ship. It would only make sense if they (for instance) used fewer AP to sail or something similar. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 8:53, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
*I think that boats could add a valuable dimension to the game once more pressing issues (such as spirit exorcism/warding) are dealt with and the active population of the island grows by a few hundred (because boats would spread players out over an even larger area and make people even harder to find outside of camps). Anyway, here are my ideas.
**Regarding boat speed, realism would demand that boat travel be faster than swimming in at least some cases. At best, a boat should be able to travel from York to Derby (for example) faster than anyone could make the trip on foot (~160 AP with ''trailblazing''; see [[User:Elembis/Sandbox#Camp travel distances|my sandbox]]). Furthermore, a four-person crew should be able to outrun or at least keep up with a boat with just one person onboard. I think a boat should move for 1.5 AP regardless of how many people (up to 4) are in it. With cooperation, a full crew could make the York-Derby trip (~276 squares east to west) in 276 × 1.5 / 4 = 103.5 AP per person, or a little under a day and a half. A 1.5 AP move cost for boats would make swimming faster for a single player in shallow water but not in deep water, and a crew of two or more people would be able to outdistance any swimmer.
**The boat would have a virtual helm, and only players at the helm (captains) would be able to set the boat's course (one of the eight compass directions) and sail off-course if they desired. Non-captains would only be able to move the boat in the direction of the course or the two adjacent directions (so a NW course would only allow them to move N, NW and W). The helm could be shared, but only an empty helm could be taken (i.e., you have to kill the captain(s) first). This would keep players from climbing aboard and sailing far off-course (or perhaps to shore in hostile territory). A captain who left the boat would return as crew and would need to be promoted again by whoever had the helm.
**Boats could be entered, exited, or boarded from another boat for 1 AP. Players would leave boats (1) voluntarily, (2) by being killed, or (3) if they were not a captain and a captain forced them off for 1 AP.
**Construction would occur on the beach, as Tycho suggested. (A one-time script would flag beach squares next to water, and construction of boats would only be possible on those squares.) It would progress one piece at a time to (1) avoid unrealistic near-instant boat construction and (2) to allow multiple people to contribute driftwood to the effort. There would be a 1 AP "Build" button and a dropdown box for all boats on the square. ("[Build] <nothing / Ye Olde Boat> with a piece of driftwood.") After contributing a piece of driftwood a player would see how many more pieces the boat needed. There would also be a form for starting a new boat with one piece of driftwood. ("[Start building] a new boat named [text input].")
**Boats would be attackable with melee weapons and could disintegrate slowly (1) when they are unoccupied, (2) when they have been under construction for more than a week, and (2) as they travel. A boat would only disappear from the game if it had 0 HP and had been that way for an entire week. (A script could run every ''x'' hours to check for unoccupied boats and damage them, and a nightly script could check for destroyed and abandoned boats and delete them.) For realism and gameplay, it should be easier to kill all four passengers on a boat than to destroy the boat itself as well as more rewarding (i.e., hurting a boat would yield few XP, if any). Attacks that targeted the boat would be visible to everyone onboard just as if they themselves were being attacked. Players onboard would be attackable by anyone on the square, whether the attacker is riding in another boat or swimming. (If sailors were not attackable, natives raiding outsider camps would be able to take sanctuary in boats just offshore.) Giant squids would attack boats about as often as they attacked the people onboard (unless a passenger had attacked the squid, in which case the squid would focus on that player until they were dead). Sharks, however, would leave boats and their occupants alone.
**Most important, in my opinion, is that the best boat builders and/or repairers would be settlers, villagers and pirates. While boat construction would be too fun to not share, those three classes need unique skills. An exclusive repair skill might be appropriate; unskilled captains would push a boat until it couldn't go anywhere (or hire someone to repair it), but settlers/villagers/pirates would be able to repair boats (including any abandoned ones they found). Fully repairing a nearly destroyed boat should probably be about half as expensive, in terms of both AP and driftwood, as building a new one. Needless to say, boats could be a real chore to implement, but they would surely make the game even more distinctive and rich. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 20:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*As much as I don't care for PK-ing (especially against newbies like me!), it is something many people enjoy (and I am in full agreement with [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] about how newbies could visit enemy territory and be invincible) and is an excellent way of gaining XP if you choose to do so. I second the notion of having a PvP free hut in each settlement/village; perhaps disable the attack command entirely while in there? As a penalty for using such a hut, there should be no resource items there, so that players will still need to 'risk' being in resource huts to restock. Or, at least charge 5AP to enter (you have to talk your way in or at least convince the guards to allow you entrance; thus people who 'play it safe' will need to conserve their AP as they are not taking risks). One of the hallmarks of games like this is AP managment, and most of us learned that the hard way...--[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".

''Note: One of the raisons d'etre for this suggestion has been eliminated with the shaman changes, so this suggestion is less relevant than it was and in some ways outdated. It might still be workable, though it will have to be approached differently.'' [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::If there is a 10% chance to get one gold coin per hour, and if during a large portion of the day both natives and outsiders are on the gold mine square so no mining is going on, then the odds would be that the lots of people would get 0 gold coins (or very few) before being killed, a total waste of time for them, and they might not bother going back after they're killed, which defeats the gold mine's purpose as a strategic location that people will fight over. This is why I say people need something tangible every hour. In fact, that should be revised to "something tangible every AP turnover", i.e. every 20 minutes. Even if someone is there for only a short time, they should have something to show for it, which they almost certainly wouldnt with a low % chance per hour of getting one gold coin. Your idea of scaling the gold that the mine produces could be implemented by making Gold Prospector Jim give fewer gold coins the more nuggets he receives. In other words, a gold mining version of the current trading system. Since he will have received 0 gold nuggets as the mine is first discovered, one gold nugget could trade for one gold coin, and as more people start cashing in, the value of a gold nuggest would go down, to where he wants 20 or so nuggets for one gold coin. The value would fluctuate throughout the day and week as people cash in more gold nuggets. This way, scalability is achieved while continuing to be able to reward something tangible every AP turnover. Also, I would say gold nuggets should take 0 inventory space just like gold coins, since in theory 72 could be given out per day to one person, and that would fill up anyone's inventory, allowing them to not receive any more. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

*I agree there needs to be more locations worth going to, but adding just one will not add enough to shake things up. I think a mine with various valuable minerals such as gold (not coins but actual lumps of gold since it was just mined) and maybe forgeable material, ect. But you should have to actually apply AP to mine it out, maybe with varying % to find different minerals in different parts of the mine (I imagine it as an underground area much like a temple with multiple squares)

Along with the mine I was thinking of other locations that would attract people. What about a sunken ship, with treasure perhaps, in the ocean (like deep ocean, shark attack deep deal) somewhere to the northeast of the island since none of the settlements are very close to that? Another place that people are going is that island to the west of the main island. Perhaps something of value could be put there as well, like say an ancient stucture like all those temples only better. (Think El Durado!) I think that the swamp should have something in it aswell, I don't know what.

The biggest thing I would want to see implimented would be buried treasure, placed in a random jungle square anywhere in Shartak every 1st of the month, with pieces of the treasure map being found at random. Groups and individuals would scramble to find the chest, which would no doubt be full of gold dubloons and other valuable treasure. People who don't want to look for the treasure could sell pieces of the map to others who do for high prices. If noone finds the treasure by the 1st of the next month then the treasure rolls over into next month so that month will have 2 chests at the location! Only the first person to dig it up gets what it contains. Anyone else will find a hole with an empty chest in it. How's that for location/events? (I was thinking of making this its own suggestion but didn't want to steal this persons 'thunder' as it were) --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
 This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Message in a bottle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New item, message system|
suggest_scope=All characters in Beach terrain|
suggest_description=Much like the "make signpost" action, creating a message in a bottle will only be available to players standing in Beach terrain. Unless the "Refillable containers" suggestion is implemented, to create a message in a bottle will require a bottle of beer, bottle of rum, or bottle of water and some newer items - parchment and charred driftwood or berry paint. There would be a textarea and a button, much like the existing message actions. Upon clicking the "make message" button, the items required are removed from the player's inventory and their text message is added to the database.

Although it would be neat to actually see the bottles floating in the water and following unique movement patterns, that would lead to some very cluttered areas. So instead the message in a bottle becomes a rare search result in Beach terrain.

When a player finds a message in a bottle the system generates a random number and selects the associated message to that number from the database. After reading the message, the player has the option to destroy or return the bottle. Destroying the message in a bottle removes it from the database. Returning it throws the bottle back into the sea to be found again. There should probably be a default message in the event that all the unique messages are destroyed or the search odds could be modified to reflect that there are no more messages in a bottle to be found.

Each message could also have a stat to display how many times the message was read before.|
suggest_time=05:33, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Nice idea. I'd rather have the message bottle also be rare-findable in water. I think it'd be kind of neat to have some items found in water, even if only text messages generated by other players. The suggestion does await parchment, although I think that berries alone would be sufficient for ink ("you write in berry juice") rather than requiring a separate ink item. Implementing parchment might get a bit complicated - I'd prefer a very streamlined approach so that players aren't carrying around six (or 71) different message'd parchments at once. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Map quest===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Quest|
suggest_scope=All characters, new NPCs|
suggest_description=There is a limited usefulness for the map for those without access to the mapping scripts. There is also a limited incentive for players to explore foreign camps. This suggestion provides a simple quest for players to hopefully address both issues.

Each town will possess a new NPC (or possibly a retooled home shaman or trader) that has a fragment of a map. The fragment will display the general vicinity around the camp. After a player interacts with the NPC and acquires a map fragment, they can view map.html and see two new buttons: "view torn map" and "compare maps". "View torn map" will display the collection of map fragments acquired by the player. "Compare maps" will overlay the player's personal map on top of the torn map.

I imagine the map fragments to resemble the parchment look featured in the game logo, but each camp might use a different medium or writing implement which will give the torn map a patchwork appearance.

The map fragments will not take up any inventory space and not even be listed in the inventory. On a character's profile page it may be possible to display their progress with the quest: (1/7 map fragments).

Obviously, having just the area of the camps mapped out will leave some large missing chunks in the torn map. There could be a hermit NPC that will complete the torn map once each fragment is obtained. The complete map can also have the feature of unlocking new territory. Talking to special elder NPCs will mark the map with locations that are viewable and enterable only by those with complete, marked maps.|
suggest_time=19:53, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Sure, this makes sense to me. Ideally, the special code (possibly including search outcomes, NPC interactions, non-item flags in character data, and so forth) would be generic enough so that it could also be borrowed to implement treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, secret locations, and other future plot-lines in Shartak. A Shartak map itself, even complete, would just show the same info that can be found via web or wiki, so it is not going to harm game balance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:27, 16 June 2006 (BST)

}}

===Monsoon===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=event|
suggest_scope=all|
suggest_description=Add seasons to shartak, matching RL events. The sea level would rise by 1 square, the river would swell by 1 square, crocodiles would become plentiful, and the pirate ship would lift off of the rocks. The ship would then randomly drift around, 1 square per day, and would still be accessible but players would have to swim out to it. Deforested squares would also recover faster. The ship wouldn't be directable because 'The sail is too tattered to use.' or something. The monsoon would also match, more or less, RL duration.|
suggest_time=17:28, 16 July 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=Aco|
suggest_comments=

*All this would be do-able without too much extra coding except for moving the pirate ship. It would however take a while to work out which bits of beach, swamp and jungle would become submerged and to do it in such a way that it's easily reversible later. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*Something that would require even less work on Simon's part, but would still convey the feel of a hurricane would be to change some descriptions temporarily. Add, "The wind howls about you and the rain drives fiercely", to all outdoor descriptions. Add "The deadly storm rages just outside. You don't know how long this little hut can survive." to indoor descriptions. He could also temporarily expand the range of "sharks" to include all outdoor locations (possibly with a lower likelihood of being bitten, as it seems more or less automatic once you swim far enough out) but change the description to "A piece of flying debris injures you." This would make being indoors scary and being outdoors potentially deadly.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I have just advocated a similar ideas for storms at the new forum. Have a mass of black cloud move onto the island. The rivers swell and move rapidly, causing death to those in the water. Lightning strikes and strong winds cause HP damage or death. [[FirstAmongstDaves]]


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===Identification of strangers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Identification of strangers|
suggest_description=As a native, I would like an "Identify an outsider" button when standing on the same square as one or more outsiders I can't recognize. (Outsiders would have the same thing for natives, naturally.) It's unrealistic that the best ways to identify people are to attack them or give them gold. It's also bothersome; gold coins are hard to find in the wilderness, and a cheapskate may attack a stranger only to regret the attack upon discovering that their target was a peaceful person. If you're the sort of player who likes to attack every stranger you meet, that's fine. However, many people do discriminate between strangers, and it shouldn't be unduly hard for them to simply figure out who someone is.

Identification would cost 1 AP. Flavor text could be something like
:You examine an outsider until you're able to tell them apart from all the others. They are {{profile|6|Leaky Bocks}}.

I estimate that this change will have the following effects:
# Identification before an attack will be easier and thus more attractive to moderately peaceful players, resulting in less "gratuitous cross-class violence" (as [[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] [[Talk:Identify_Friend_or_Foe|put it]]) at the hands of players who wish to avoid it.
# [[Identify Friend or Foe]] [[:Category:IFF supporter|supporters]] will no longer be subject to the current "peace tax".
# Non-participants in the IFF initiative will neither receive gold from curious players nor see who has identified them. However, after they are identified they may still be given gold or even spoken to (which I prefer from a roleplaying perspective) if cheaper identification makes people more willing to interact with those they identify. I know I'd rather spend 1.5 AP to identify someone and speak to them than 1 AP and a coin to merely identify them.

Since it's already possible to identify a stranger in ways that help them (by giving gold) or hurt them (by attacking), why shouldn't there be a more direct middle path?|
suggest_time=06:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

I'm looking for a flaw in the reasoning here, but I can't find one. I support this. 18:40, 31 July 2006. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* The only flaw I can see is already in the game. How do you figure out who someone is, just by giving them a gold coin or attacking them. *slash* Oh, scuse me a second while I check the back of your jacket for a name tag. Same sort of thing applies to staring at someone and figuring out what their name is. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
** "I'd like to stare at someone long enough to figure out what they look like and what they're wearing and carrying." I support this. For convenience, the game has already conflated face-recognition with user-profile. There doesn't exist an in-between level: either you know all their skills and their profile description, or you aren't able to target them at all. We could eventually migrate toward a solution (and perhaps introduce new skills and actions, such as Disguise that would conceal your skillset and kill stats). But in the meantime it would be nice to have the suggested convenience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Drowning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=Perhaps there should be some rules for drowning? Many players in Shartak (including my character, Zeff) like to camp/sleep in the water. I feel there should be a risk of drowning when a player spends a long period of time in deep water - shallow water would not apply. Perhaps something like this - If a player spends over 2 hours in the water "drowning damage" comes into effect (regardless of whether or not the player has the swimming skill) and every futher hour 10 damage is dealt to the player - either "drowning damage" or instant drowning after 3 hours - with a message "you have drowned".
Another additional possibility is have the character drift in the water - especially if they go into deep water - I like the idea of leaving a character in the water when you log out, and when you log back in they are washed up on another part of the island with most of their hit points missing. Although that might be a bit complicated to do...|
suggest_time=22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice. Drifting could be done, although it may make things complicated if you drift too quickly. I certainly don't think you'd move very far in a few hours otherwise it would be far too easy to lose sight of the giant squid you were attacking (for example). There would probably have to be some kind of data in the map that says where you drift to from that square, even if the drifting changes slightly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Sounds like a good idea. Also, driftwood could possibly be incorporated into this, perhaps giving a lower chance of drowning, lower drowning damage, or maybe making the player drift further. -[[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]
* I definetly think you should drown to death if you sleep in the water. You should only be able to drift with driftwood, since you could possibly sleep on the plank as it floats you to another place. Without the dirftwood you wouldn't drift far because you'd drown before you got to see the place you arrived at...unless instead of drowning to death you drown to 1 HP and are planted on a random beach space in Shartak. I like this idea but can't decide how I'd like to see it put in game. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pigeon postal service===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Outsiders (I imagine a different version for Natives|
suggest_description=Right now I have encountered difficulties whenever I try to contact someone in game. There is (currently) no way right now of contacting people in game without finding them. To improve on that, I thought there should be a sort of postal service. The idea is simple. You go to a post office to do one of three things 1) buy a pigeon so you can write a letter from anywhere and send it to the post office (at a cost of 2 GC) 2) write a letter at the post office for posting (at a cost of 1 GC) 3) receive mail (at a cost of 0 GC). To prevent harassment of players you can even instruct the postal staff to burn any letters from ignoramus people (you must tell them before hand otherwise they will burn everything).

*''The postal staff has burned 3 letters from unwanted peoples since your last visit.''
*''You buy a pigeon at the cost of 2 GC. It looks anxious to be on its way home again.''
*''The post woman takes your letter and smiles knowingly.''

The idea may need some tweaking but this is just a suggestion on how to create in game messages.
|
suggest_time=17:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=


Sounds like an interesting idea. The only real problem that might happen is that if you've off on long journeys, you may not have the time to stop into a town and check your mail. Perhaps the pigeons could also fly to you, where ever you may be, and give you the letter? --[[User:Che|Che]] 22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you buy local pigeons and deliver them to another town for sale at a higher price?--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 02:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Since pigeons can only return to one place I imagine that foreign post offices would pay a premium for pigeons that can go to other cities. For example, a pigeon bought at York and will return to York is only 2 GC, but a pigeon bought at York that will return to Derby will cost 10 GC or more because you can't raise pigeons to fly to Derby in York.


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===Climbable Trees and high areas===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics and Skill|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=This is more like two suggestions bundled into one, but they are closely related. I think climbable trees (areas of jungle) would be a great addition to the game. With the use of a climbing skill (perhaps easier to learn for natives) players can "climb" into the jungle canopy (for 5AP) providing the jungle is heavy (dark green and above). This would provide an excellent way to "hide" from other players and give another bonus which I will get back to. If a player chops jungle where a player is hiding above them, that player falls to the ground for a medium amount of damage. Other players would have a chance of spotting people hiding above them, each time they move to a different jungle area (50% and 100% if you use search in the area - a message "you spot *name* hiding in the canopy above you"). Also players will be able to jump from tree to tree for 2AP. Now, onto the "other bonus" mentioned earlier - this bonus also effects areas such as the mountain and the crows nest at the shipwreck giving "high areas" more of a tactical use. These areas should allow you to spot people (outsiders, pirates and natives) in the distance. When you are in one of these areas you would be able to "see" the number of people to the north, east, south and west - this will include areas such as north-east and south-west as "north" will mean a general cone shape north of the player. For example in the crows nest at the shipwreck, there will be a button "lookout" which would display the following text-
"You scan the horizons -
North - You see 1 native nearby.
East - You see 6 pirates nearby. You see 3 pirates in the distance.
South - You see 12 pirates nearby. You see 4 pirates and 2 outsiders in the distance.
West - You see 7 pirates nearby. You see 2 pirates and 4 natives in the distance."
Of course if you did this on the mountain, you wouldn't be able to see through solid rock.
The sight range would be perhaps 20 squares, anything over 10 squares is defined as distance. If this suggestion is implemented it will I feel it would add a whole new level to gameplay (literally!) as well as possibilities for watch-towers, and long-range rifle/blowpipe sniping!
|
suggest_time=11:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

I had thought of climbable trees, but hadn't planned on people being able to move around whilst in the tree. The biggest problem with letting you see further is that (a) it'd require more processing to handle the extra 24+ map areas, (b) Displaying the map would be quite tricky due to the sizes of squares required to be able to hold text and icons. I had envisaged something like "You climb a tree. [down]" as the stuff on the right, no other actions except down. The left hand side would be a map area about the same size as currently, but where each block was replaced with a 3x3 area. This would give you the ability to see terrain from 7 blocks all around (15x15 grid). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't thinking of actually showing the areas you can see, I was thinking along the lines a purely text feature, that would operate in a similar way to "search". There would be a button that would "list" each direction (N,E,S,W) and the players you could see in those areas. Actually displaying more sqaures on screen sounds pretty complicated... --[[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:The problem with just text is not everyone is going to be directly north or west or south or east of you, most of the time they will be at strange angles. Simon's idea of a 15x15 grid when you climb a tree is a good one, if it is able to be done. Here's the idea I got while reading this suggestion: firstly, new item-telescope (explorers would start with one, they would be occassionally found in outsider towns. natives would have no access, like gps). Going atop a tree or crow's nest or climbing on top of ruins would give you four buttons: look north, look west, look south, look east-- but only if you have a telescope. Each would cost 5 or 10 AP (it would take a long time to throughly search with the horizon with your telescope.) You would be shown something like [http://www.itechsc.com/misc/shartak/ubermap/closeup.php?cx=-70648&cy=26343&dn=1&zn=1 this map] (but not as big), it would display the area north of your immediate area if you chose 'look north', south of yoru area if you chose 'look south, etc, and it would tell you where others are.
:- [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeff, You are on the right track with your hiding suggestion I think, but it shouldnt be atop trees. People should have an ability to hide in the jungle, and an on-ground hiding skill has been suggested before. I still think it is a good idea. Here is one version of the idea, suggested by Armadox on the forum:
<<Armadox_The_Butcher wrote: What about a skill that allows you to use your last 10 ap to hide in the foilage? It marks you off the map, like being a spirit. Spirits can still see you, and anyone searching the area can uncover you. but it'll keep your hide safer untill you log back on?>>
<<Arminius wrote: This is a good idea, but how about instead of having to search, someone who steps onto the same square automatically discovers you? But people wouldnt be able to see you from other squares like they can now. Currently if you are standing on any of the 25 squares in someone's line of sight, they can see you, but if you were to be hidden they wouldnt be able to unless they are on your square. This could serve as an ambushing skill as well as a hiding skill. By ambushing I mean hiding and then waiting till someone comes to a square near you to rest, and naturally they wouldnt know youre there, then you emerge to kill the poor sucker>>
<<Crowjane wrote: sounds generally nice, but what if everyone has it. I foresee no ambushing but endless travels without any human contact...>>
<<Tycho44 wrote: I like the idea of having an extremely expensive Hide Skill (12AP-30AP to use?) that only works to cloak you from those not in your square. By hiding, you would prevent animals and players from seeing and pursuing you unless they actually stumbled into your square (Trackers could use Tracking Skill). When the cost of hiding is high, many players will choose to step 5 or 15 spaces further back into the wilderness instead, so the game impact would be relatively mild. Also, hiding could require Jungle d5 or higher to use, just like concealed huts and trees. That would prevent ambushes from inside the town.>> ([http://shartak.forumsplace.com/message-152-15.html From here]).
 - [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. Complications aside, the original suggestion would effectively make the island larger, which would make player interaction more rare, and that's simply bad. I'd support an ''x'' AP "Lookout" ability in suitably dense jungle that would simply return flavor text revealing the location of one or more nearby players or animals. ("You climb a tree for a moment and see someone to the northeast.") But I think concealment in treetops is a bad idea, and the server load of a large map view should be avoided if a simpler "lookout" action will work about as well. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

* I like the idea of being able to hide in the folliage, it just fits naturally into this type of game. Espeacially with the tracking skills as a means of finding them by following their tracks. Very cool. The item 'telescope' would be awesome too, with the ability to look diagonal compass directions as well please. The crows nest could be a look out, along with towers being added to all the settlements (both native and outsider) to look from. I also recall a high place at a waterfall? You would only be able to see people standing in open sqaures (less than 5 folliage?) since anymore trees would create a thick canopy above them blocking your view. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 21:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Importance of the Islands of Shartak===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=The many Islands of Shartak have been the source of some of the most heated conflicts seen to date; however, such islands truly offer nothing more then a secluded patch of beach and jungle. To make these Island more desirable, I think new or stronger animals should be confined to these Islands, or possibly an implementation of the "New Strategic Location on Island" suggestion. When Darwin visited the Galapagos Islands, he noticed that the species he found evolved separately from creatures on the mainland. The same should be true with Shartak.|
suggest_time=16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]]|
suggest_comments=

Possible animals:
*Gorillas - stronger than a monkey, hit harder
*Rhinos - less HP than elephants, but more aggressive and hit harder
Or Mythical/Exotic Creatures:
*Ogopogo - like the Squid, but confined specifically to the waters around the Island; could possibly give special power/stat increase when successfully killed
*Dragon - Travels between all Islands; hits extremely hard, but flies to adjacent squares after hits; impossible to heal.
*Big foot - from adjacent squares, it is seen as "An Outsider" but once on the same square, he appears as Big Foot. Same stats as outsider, with more HP. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the islands may have a strategic piece of terrain, such as an ammo hut?[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:53, 26 November 2006 (PST)

* Gorillas and Rhinos are nice, but no wierd crazy animals please. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Message huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Communications|
suggest_scope=Players in camps|
suggest_description=For the sake of roleplaying, I'd like more communication between players to occur in a realistic fashion in-game than for it to occur outside of the game (on forums and the wiki). One way to accomodate this would be to establish message huts, run by new NPCs, in which a player (Alice, a native) can leave a message for another player (Bob, an outsider) to be read when Bob enters the hut to check his messages. A message left in Derby for Bob would only be readable by Bob, and only when Bob entered the Derby message hut to ask for his messages. If Bob had no language skills the message would appear garbled, as always.

I see two problems with this system: one is that players could spam everyone by leaving hundreds of messages in each hut, and the other is that the server could have to store hundreds of thousands of messages. The first objection could be solved by charging the sender 1 gold coin (or perhaps more) per message per hut. The second problem might be fixed if we (1) kept a sender from leaving more than 1 message in each hut; (2) held no more than 100 messages total in each hut, dropping old ones as new ones arrived; or (3) restricted message-sending to registered players. (Obviously, a message would be dropped as soon as its recipient arrived and read it.)

This change would make camps more popular, give everyone another way to spend their gold, and, most importantly, make it easier to contact people who leave no contact information in their profiles, something that can only be done now after a huge and often difficult game of hide and seek. |
suggest_time=05:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

Would be nice if the other NPC's mentioned to you that you've messages to read in the hut - "Trader Toe says, 'Have you been to the message hut lately? I hear you have a message there.'" Otherwise i doubt i'd ever check. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Clan Bonuses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description= If implemented clan founders can set one out of a list of bonuses in order to provide benefits for clan membership. I would suggest that this change be 'locked' for at least a day, to prevent abuse. The bonuses are all small buffs to various factors in order to augment the play style each clan inspires. I am making this suggestion because despite a wide variety of clans on Shartak, most players have yet to chose one and there are several clans, such as my own, that only have the founder as a member. By giving clan members a small bonus, clans should be able to facilitate recruitment. What follows are a few suggested bonuses; please feel free to suggest more or comment on those suggested:

*''Search Bonus'': 5% added to base search odds.
*''Melee Bonus'': 5% added to melee accuracy.
*''Range Bonus'': 5% added to firearms accuracy.
*''Plunder Bonus'': 10% increase to find gold coin at any location where they may appear (this should not be applied to the base search, rather it increases the probality of a successful search resulting in a gold coin).
*''Explore Bonus'': 5% chance of a character getting a 'free' movement; flavor text could read 'you find that you were able to easily move forward'; applies only to land movement.
*''Faith Bonus'': 5% evasion to spirit attacks.
*''Hunter Bonus'': +1 damage to any animal

Given these small size of the bonuses, I doubt any of these will seriously affect game balance, and the suggestion is merely one to increase clan membership. I am sure there are other reasonable bonuses out there, and I believe each of the above encourage roleplaying, be it pirates placing importance on finding gold or explorer groups getting bonuses to find goods or possibly cover even more ground with less AP.|
suggest_time=19:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]]|
suggest_comments=

The only thing I don't like is what about people who don't want to join a clan? I think How clans are right now are fine.--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 22:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am strongly against clan bonuses - the incentive to join a clan should be social (i might be for clan penalties - management takes its toll). What problem is this supposed to solve? If a clan isn't popular, there's probably a good reason (lack of leadership, lack of purpose, lack of distinction, etc) that should be addressed by the clan leadership. If it was implemented, you'd have to restrict a character from changing clans more than once every X hours/turns as well as the clan from changing its bonus/penalty. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the clan had both a bonus and a penalty - choose any one bonus and one penalty (and the penalty grows directly proportional to clan size - what can i say? i don't like management). This would help leave balance as is (for the independants) but give clans more flavour --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Excellent points, both of you! Frisco, I believe you are right that this unfairly penalizes independents, I see that as a serious fault now too. I believe the best way to balance it is to give independents a bonus or bonuses, though different than clan bonuses and thus encourage independent play. The main I one can think right now of ''caution bonus'': independents are more wary of others and thus get a 5% evasion to any player attacks. This negates any clan attack bonus against other players and would also be useful for new players who are prime targets for PKing. In regards to a clan penalty, I would best leave this up to others such as yourself as to what you think is fair. In addition, your statement about switching clans for bonuses on the fly is an abuse I did not think of; I think the best solution would be that some minimum amount in the clan is necessary for the bonus to activate, such as 24 hours. As far as proportion goes, I think that would be too complicated, as the server would have to constantly check clan size to assess the bonus/penalty amount. The purpose of this suggestion is to enliven the clan system, not to punish anyone. Basically, I am just trying to think of way to make the clan system more attractive, is in all honesty it has no effect on the actual game other then filling a field in your profile. Furthermore, out of 1113 active players, only 246 were affiliated with any clan, and this gap is even larger if you take into account inactive players (roughly 4000 at this writing). Perhaps a bonus system is ''not'' a solution, though I think their should some in-game effect, maybe inter-clan communication or something (i.e., the clan leader(s) can send out messages or something, though if Elembis's suggestion above is implemented this will be moot)? Even though I doubt this will be implemented, I want to encourage debate and see if a fair proposal arises that does not offset balance. Looking forward to hearing more on this. --[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there should be more of an incentive to join a clan - just to give clans a bit more flavour, but nothing that penalizes independant players or makes the game unfair. There is a similar clan bonus system on Nexuswar, where clans have a certain bonus depending on how powerful they are. Independents also get a bonus that depends on how long they stay alive. But to be honest, I would dislike that system if it was applied to Shartak. Perhaps something like an optional clan skill? A minor skill that actually replaces an existing skill (depending on the clans speciality -searching, attacking etc), making the clan members more specialized than independant players. Although independant players would not have access to that skill they would still have as much power as the clan members, having access to the skill that the clan members do not have. [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

}}
===Additional Pirate Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Dividing the growing pirate population|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=If not the high HP and access to many riches, it is the fact that they all live close by that gives pirates an advantage over Natives and other Outsiders. I suggest we add two more pirate ships to help control the coordination imbalance. After it is implemented any pirates who dies may choose to change their home ship once. The ships will need names.|
suggest_time=11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

If you're correcting imbalances with this then dont forget to give us all a 5 damage, 60% hit weapon. A few HP difference isn't all that good. Anywhom, This seems a fair idea, but i dont like it. There's not so many pirates up at the wreck, and dividing them by three would be disaster. how about just two ships? The 'Hell Born Strumpet' (For Cap Whitney) and whatever Captain Edwards wants to call his? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

There's a lot more pirates at the wreck than there are people in most of the other towns, to be fair. --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 18:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say a lot, more like 1.4x more. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

:Ignoring inactive players - most camps have about 120ish, except the shipwreck with 290 and york with 210. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I rather like it that the ship doesn't have a name. It allows new clans to say "We're part of a different crew." After all, clans come and go. There's no reason to think the current pirate clans will last forever.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well we could name them by colour, type of ship, or description of wreck like "Grey ship", "Frigate", or "Rock wrecked ship." [[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 21:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Spirit Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic|
suggest_scope=Spirits|
suggest_description=Spirits under this new system would be bound to a specific distance from the spot where they died, with bonuses for actions (perhaps it'd halve the AP cost?) within that spot and possibly the four adjacent squares. (Alternatively, you could just be more noticeable in that area to mortals without Sixth Sense.) I know this could be abused, such as PKers waiting until players are far away from a shaman to kill them, but I've come up with some solutions or counterbalances. For example: being a Shartak noob, I don't know if there are roaming shamans, but if not there would be, thus giving a spirit another way to get back to the land of the living.

The next counterbalance is something I stole from the Dead Case, some ghost-related flash game thing, in which by freaking people out you gain their belief in you and can thus range farther from your grave; by going around your own territory and attacking things, you could quickly gain enough XP buy a spirit-only skill that adds half again or even doubles your current movement radius. Or there could be a new meter, some sort of power or belief level which allows you to go farther; maybe there's a skill that allows you to assimilate the essence of living beings you've screamed to death into your own, and thus travel beyond the initial limits of your "territory."

Admittedly, the whole extra incentive not to die idea would be quite confusing and probably rather tiresome for new players, so perhaps after your first death or two your spirit is resilient enough to ignore the penalty. Feel free to ridicule these random ideas.

A few more ideas to pick and choose from:
*Spirits are more powerful when working together.
**However, to reduce the Screaming Medical Hut Gang's ability to harrass the living, another idea could be taken from Dead Case: you're unable to cross the threshold of a hut until you go beyond a certain level of power, belief, spiritual influence, whatever you want to call it.
*Spirits are more powerful when in ruins, because everyone knows there are always powerful spirits haunting ruins.
*Shamans can, after collecting a number of items, putting them all together and performing some ceremony or other, Curse a person's spirit so that its territory is severely diminished when its body dies?|
suggest_time=13:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zutaka|Zutaka]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===More Clan/Crew powers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=For Clan/Crew founders and leaders to be able to kick out players they don't want.|
suggest_scope=All Clan/Crew Founders and Leaders|
suggest_description=It's quite simple If you have a disruptive player who joins your Clan or Crew to either make fun of it or badmouth or he does not fallow the clan Ideals He can be kicked out of the clan by the founders and leaders of the clan no questions asked. You would find the feature on the clan members list (Or wherever Simon wants to put it.) And click the "kick out" buttin to expel him from the clan.|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented with the December 2006 clan updates. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Looting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Gold|
suggest_description=Players can loot gold from corpses. At base rate a player will be able to loot 1/4 of the GC on a corpse, at a cost of 5 AP. Pirates get a bonus, looting 1/3 of the GC. A skill “Looting” will double this fraction (1/4 to ½ and 1/3 to 2/3).|
suggest_time=11:35, 9 November 2006|
suggest_author=Nicorus|
suggest_comments=

Sounds like [[Suggestions:Skills#Plunder]]. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 Confine it to irates as an incentive to be a different class. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Day and Night===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mecanics|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Basicaly, turn the map a darker shade every amount of time. Maybe, animals could wander into towns at night, and players could only see tat there were a number of players in a certain square, instead of seeing that there were 1 outsider and 3 natives.|
suggest_time=19:26pm/12th Nove 2006|
suggest_author=Majestic[[User:Ninja|Ninja]]|
suggest_comments=

I've a feeling that that would be a massive, massive job to format. Sounds good but I think you'd need to download a grahics package, if not, the server would just...explode! Or not...i'm no programer by any description. Perhaps if there were three shades? day, noon and night? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Guildhouses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mechanic|
suggest_scope=Clans|
suggest_description=Clans need guildhouses or headquarters, places that only members of the creating clan may enter(?). Basically, only available to clans with a relatively large amount of active members, such as 15. The way I see this (which is of course up for discussion) is so:

Two members of the clan are present. Both give 75 AP and 200 XP to create this building (think: Hut). Once created, it requires 50 AP per week to keep it up. This weekly AP can be donated by any of the members of the clan. For example, player 1 can decide he has 10 AP that he doesn't need, player 2 gives 4 AP, player 3 gives 25, and player 4 notices it's already Saturday and there's a dearth of 11 AP so he takes care of the last bit, thus keeping the hut "alive" for another week.
General benefits (once again, up for discussion) would be: Access only to members of the clan, perhaps a "medical table" where you can convert AP/XP into healing much like the scientist can do, and a "Ammo cupboard" where one can find rifle bullets or sharpening stones or whatever items Simon sees fit.|
suggest_time=21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]]|
suggest_comments=

Realistically, wouldn't the contents of this "ammo cupboard" have to be donated as well? --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:43, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:Yeah, that makes sense, but that could also be supported by the weekly AP donation. Keeping stocks up, etc. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 22:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Take a look at my 'temporary structure' suggestion in "misc."--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:These are nothing alike. Mine is a guildhouse, does not involve driftwood at all. Gathering driftwood would be a major drawback for a guildhouse in the middle of the jungle, days away from beaches. Yours is just a form of shelter in the jungle, protection from surprise attack, where my suggestion is a base for a clan, and not meant for quick protection in the jungle. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't a hut that only clan members can enter be easilly abused as an inpenetrable fortress to allow a clan to rapage uncontrolled through a town? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 11:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: Not really. Simon could tweak the AP/XP requirements so it becomes *only* shelter from heavy attack (healing, restockage, etc), and not an actual heavy-artillery resistant bunker. Perhaps something could be added that having many people around it affects the AP cost or whatever, or the more people in the clan, the more expensive it is to keep up. This should be as much a hassle as it is a help. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This gives a great advantage to team players over solo players. I'm not clear on how the upkeep would be kept fair - just create a disposable character whose sole purpose is donating AP to the guildhouse (perhaps you could trade such character use with your allies so as to not directly zerg). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:*In the real world, working together as a team does have it's benefits. And if donating 75 AP resulted in 75 IP hits, then zerging would be mitigated.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To stop people using it as a fortress, how about allowing non clan members inside, but whenever they attack, everyone in the room has a chance of hitting them with a melee weapon automaticaly? This is good for realism and stops abuse of the facility, as you can still get your ass whooped if your inside, and an agressor would be roughed up by security. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Cupped Hands and Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=The thirsty bottleless|
suggest_description=You've finally slaughtered that elephant that nearly took all day to kill. Now since you have bled a lot of water out, you go to the creek for a drink. You get there and stoop down to fill your bottle, but it full of salt water! What do you do? Cup your hands and drink directly or dump the salt water out of course!|
suggest_time=09:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

This idea makes a brilliant argument. But have you tried to cup water in your hands, it runns away...so you should only get +1HP back, maybe?

}}

===Use of Ranged Weapons as Melee Weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Anyone with an ranged weapon - rifle, blowpipe or yet-to-be-added...|
suggest_description=A heavy rifle can deliver a fair bit of damage when used as a club. Large blowpipes can likewise deliver some damage when used as a club or cane. Currently however, the game does not support the use of ranged weapons in melee - this suggestion would be to simply modify the game to allow that to happen.|
suggest_time=03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

The odds of hitting should be less, and damage shouldn't be much (less than a machete/cutlass). There should also be a chance of the weapon breaking (as per existing melee weapons).

I disagree that the damage output/hit rate should be less. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to use them as melee weapons, making the point moot.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think giving somebody a whack on the head with a rifle butt would do more to kill somebody than a knife-wound, so i agree with Joe. I do think that they should be able to break, but pipes more easier than rifles. unless you had mastered melee and could put it into someone's eye. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]
::There was some talk about changing the names of some weapons, just for variety - clubs, halbards, axes, other weapons instead of just machetes and cutlasses. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Hut Renovation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New possible action|
suggest_scope=All empty huts.|
suggest_description=I'd like to suggest that players be able to modify the interior flavor text of huts. For instance, many clans occupy buildings and convert them to their own use. A button would become available saying something like "renovate hut." This would allow a player to type in their own flavor text for the hut. To discourage people from vandalizing the huts, the AP cost should be very high. Say, 50 to 75 AP. After all, it takes a lot of effort to clean out a house, even if it is a one room hut. This would allow Czech1, for instance, to customize his tavern to actually LOOK like a tavern. Traders' huts and supply huts could not be modified, naturally.|
suggest_time=14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Another option might be that somehow a hut is tagged as being owned by someone and only they can modify the description. There would have to be some way to lay claim to a hut and some way to prevent it being taken over. Perhaps you have to 'reclaim' the hut once every X days (say 8 for those who only get to play once a week) otherwise it becomes open to all to claim? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. How does one get claim over the hut? Do clans of some sort get first picks over a 'first come' basis, or perhaps an NPC landlord demands payment and shows up at your hut to collect it? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

I like the idea, I especially like me being mentioned lol.. I think that in some cases one can just pick a hut and make it theirs (I've used the same hut for months, and all I did was walk inside one day and make it a tavern, it was empty.) Maybe like, the hut has to be empty for you to lay claim to it? I dunno. --[[User:CzEcH|czech1]]

I like the idea. It would make my chars available for more roaming around Shartak, but what and how much would you have to pay for it? Maybe donators get to claim one hut permanently? [[Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Major game change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Combat|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Let's break this down, in order of importance. It's a series of suggestions for more 'realistic' gameplay. Please comment on it even if you hate it.

A)I think that real-time attacking of the NPCs is a brilliant idea. However, it's very frustrating being killed in your sleep, as much as not rewarding killing others in their sleep is. Thus, is it possible to code an 'auto-behaviour' when away so that if someone attacks you, you fight back? That would make combat memorable.

B)Nerf HP to 10 or 20 so that it's more deadly (and realistic), or bump up weapon damage, A LOT. That would make for more 'deadly' encounters. Bumping up weapon damage would also make sure weapon attacks can be differentiated more easily, while right now all attacks do 1 to 4 damage. It would also make the whole 'average dmg per AP' pointless since this ain't a math problem, it's a game. To make sure however that you won't kill 40 people in a single turn, bump the AP cost of an attack to either 5 or an amount depending on the weapon, e.g. a knife would have 3 AP but a halberd 7 etc.

C)Is there a chance combat is instead a 'contested' roll? E.g. Instead of rolling to hit, if someone attacks another in melee, both roll and highest (with mods) is the one who gets to strike and damage. If not, perhaps it'd be great if there was a 'defense' skill too, like every time you're attacked and it doesn't miss, there's an X% that the attack is voided.

D)Speed of a weapon- how often it can attack. Weapons with higher reach like spears should get accuracy bonuses, but those with higher speed should attack more often. That'd probably be caused by a varied amount of AP per 'attack' or 'round' of combat, like I said, 2 AP for a punch, 3 for a knife, 4 for a machete, 5 for a sword, 6 for a spear, 7 for a halberd etc.

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suggest_time=12:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]]|
suggest_comments=

Some comments (edited/expanded) originally posted on the forum topic: 
(B) I personally wouldn't enjoy much more deadly encounters - swimming with the sharks is dangerous enough, let alone if my characters only had 10/20 hitpoints. Player characters should be special too - not cannon fodder for anyone just walking around killing everything they see. 
(C) It might be a nice tweak if some NPCs were more difficult to fight - perhaps a 'defense' attribute/skill, which is subtracted from the attack percentage? But keep it small values (10-20%) so that you don't get any situations where a low level character can't touch a high level character? Opposed rolls is more complexity - keeping the dynamic simpler would seem to be a good idea, no? 
(D) This is a real time game. It doesn't have 'rounds'. That paradigm doesn't work on the Island. The shartak weapon/combat system is reasonably simple currently - does this really add any value, or just make the game more complex? 
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, everything Johan said. Plus, Shartak has developed in such a way that it is a game of exploration, not a combat oriented first person shooter. Making it deadlier does not make it more realistic, it just makes it more like Doom. If you want realism, how about an NPC police force that gathers evidence on random murders, hunts down the murderer, arrests them and either jails them or executes them? That's what happens in the real world. lol --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Johan's (C) - the defense attribute - is actually already implemented for NPCs and has been for a long time. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible to extend it to PCs as some kind of defense skill or armour-like item. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why not both skills and armour-like items? Skills could perhaps require 'Close quarter combat' as a pre-requisite, 'Close quarter defense' - giving a defense attribute of 10%, and 'Advanced Close quarter defense' adding +10% on top of that? Items could be 'shield' and 'helmet' giving a +10% - and if there was a way for an item to degrade overtime, then newbie outsiders/pirates could perhaps start with an item that gives a +20% as additional newbie protection? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
}}

=== Huts: Body Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New action|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Allow Shartak characters to dump dead bodies outside of huts through a new action button that appears when they're inside a hut and there's a body there. 1 body per 1 AP spent.|
suggest_time=02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

What's the point of this? They're not like in Urbandead when the dead come back to life and eat people. -[[User:Kutless55|Kutless55]] 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:It just strikes me as unrealistic that folk are going to keep dead bodies lying around in huts. Moving the body outside doesn't have much if any game impact beyond allowing folk to clear the huts of bodies.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

::It would be kind of cool to kill someone and dump their body in th river. but what about dumping them in holes and burying them? How would that work? - First Amongst Daves

You carry the body to the river, like an inventory item? Or to the hole. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you would get XP for burying a body. [[Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Villagers as NPCs===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New NPC - Villager|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=This might require extreme coding, but will add to an already fantastic game. Essentially, villagers are NPCs. They are localised to squares entirely surrounded by cleared jungle. There could be ten villagers per square (turning off "see villagers" could be in the preferences to restrict annoyance). A camp needs 50 villagers to maintain an ammo hut, medical hut, shaman, and trader. For every 50 villagers after that, search odds in the huts are improved by 10%. Villagers could be attacked by enemies of the camp, but would have the same stats as elephants (high HP, good defence rate - reflecting reality). This would allow five developments which, in my very humble newbie opinion, might aid the game.

1) Players could all be soldiers/pirates/warriors/scouts/scientists, etc., i.e. playing the hero, without having to play as boring old villagers.

2) Attacks on camps would be meaningful, as lowering the number of villagers will hurt, or even wipe out opposition camps.

3) The Shipwreck would have no villagers, giving the pirates more distinction from outsiders.

4) Maxed-out players might find it more interesting.

5) Players could create new camps (perhaps only maxed-out players could have this new skill, "Colonise").

There could be distinctions between native and outsider villagers, etc. It might be very complicated to spawn new villagers once more squares are cleared as well. Anyway, it's a suggestion, what do you think?|
suggest_time=14:08, 14 March 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this idea a lot. What would be the mechanism for regeneration of villagers? If some version of this is introduced, the old discussion of Defense comes up. There is absolutely 0 means to defend an area in the game right now, thus no way to protect your village(/viallagers) from being killed. I think that some means of defense is a 'must' if this is done. And a combination of this and defense would be a major boost for the game. There are several player-based inherent problems that come up, for example an Armadox or a Keichi or a Long Fin Killie, who freely and prolifically kill their own people, and cant be kicked out of town because the local shaman revives them cheap, might take to slaughtering their own civilians. Then of course there would be people creating alternate accounts specifically to attack these villagers of other towns, e.g. a pirate creating 2 or 3 dalpok natives whose sole goal is using every one of their AP attacking dalpok npc-villagers. (Perhaps local PKers and alt-abusers could be discouraged by having a light curse imposed on any character every time they kill one of their own villagers, 'the spirits are very displeased that you killed one of your own people'). Some means of actually being able to actually damage or even occupy(!) a settlement is thinking down the right path for sure. As of now we have no way of doing so, and this limits the game. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC

Hmmm, not bad. But attacking npcs to hurt a town would make it like a Halo Oddball game. Perhaps you'd get cursed even if you just TRY to attack (ie. miss) a friendly npc villager. But healing them won't curse you. They'd die just like everyone else too!
They could respawn just like every other npc. But make them have professions. Like blacksmith, farmer, woodcutter, sculptor, etc. They could also wander around town, you know, like real village people.
On the screen you can see them as an outsider and if you hover your mouse over them, they show the blacksmith or such. Like.. 10 villagers per camp. The shipwreck should have crewmen, the cook and the cabin boy! -[[User:Elegost55|Elegost55]] 08:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

These are good points alright. I would imagine that defence should be down to the players - although I like the idea of a "wall" square, similar to heavy jungle. Attackers would have a 20% chance of chopping it, and have to chop it twice to get through. Once inside the camp, if villagers are ten to a square, and have the stats of elephants, the attacker will have to be quite brave to go it alone. Large-scale attacks (as in real life) will be the only way to go, and given the nature of the game, and of th'innernet itself, defenders will have some warning of large-scale attacks and can work out a defence plan.

In relation to attacking your own villagers, this should result in them attacking you - a 2HP fine per AP-used until you leave the camp - and you would never be allowed back again. This exile-type character would appeal to some.

I like the idea of real jobs, it would add colour to the game. I'd leave this up to Simon, though - if he does go to all the trouble of coding this, he should have the fun of making up villager roles (i.e. "In this square are two Farmhands, a Town Drunk, a Blacksmith, and a Lady of Negotiable Virtue"). -[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]


}}

===Vow of Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=PKing opt out improvement|
suggest_scope=Any characters where the player decides to opt their character out of pking|
suggest_description=A vow of peace could be sought from any of the NPC Shamans. Such a vow has the following effects:
 
(i) The character who has taken the vow cannot be attacked by another character. Any attempt to attack results in no AP consumption, and the message "such-and-such has taken a vow of peace - the spirits of the land prevent you from attacking them". 
(ii) The character who has taken the vow cannot attack another character, without confirming the attack. Confirming the attack results in immediate damage to the effect of half the character's hp - "As punishment for breaking your vow, you are wracked with pain as wounds appear on your body". 
Taking a vow of peace would require that the character sacrifice one of: 
500 AP (as they meditate at the feet of the shaman, they can't play the character for nearly a week); OR 
1000 GP (only 18 characters currently have that much); OR 
2000 XP (only high level characters who've maxed out).
 
I realise that there are those who find the pk'ing element exciting or vital to their game - please realise (and perhaps respect) that there are those of us who have tired of it, don't find it exciting and not vital to OUR game. There's lots said about how Shartak is the game that you make it - it's hard to do that if you're constantly being involved in someone else's game.|
suggest_time=05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this, this isn't just somebody's way of getting out of an annoying game feature, this is kind of like a way of life. You'd have to bend your character around the vow, rahter than just buying it and laughing. I'm not going to take it, but I can see why people would like to, and I support that --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 06:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. I would make a few minor alterations to this suggestion though. Instead of attack attempts resulting in no AP consumption, perhaps they should use the normal amount of AP but the spirits of the land prevent the blow from reaching its target. Not sure about the AP cost to get it enabled - perhaps 5 days worth instead of 7? Also, if you break the vow and are wounded, maybe you should start bleeding from those wounds in a similar manner to being bitten by a shark. Any more comments? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like this, definitely needs some work though.
Perhaps rather than taking 5/7 days worth of ap, it halves peoples AP for a week? I see people taking a vow of peace and never coming back to the game, due to getting bored waiting.
I'm not sure about the bleeding, maybe something more, ''spirity'' but with a similar effect? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 21:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Policy Discussion===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!


}}

===Snakes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Event|
suggest_scope=Grasslands|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when searching grasslands, there is a slight chance to find a poison snake, which will then bite you. I propose a small change. In additon to biting for 3 damage, make it so the poison effects the player for the next three actions, similar to a poison dart. |
suggest_time=02:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=
Shouldn't detract from the game, adds a little more realism at no cost apart from discouraging some people from searching grasslands. Sounds good to me. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Snakes would also explain where the natives derive toxin for their darts. - First Amongst Daves

}}

===Gun Smiths===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses guns|
suggest_description=Back in the 1700's rich aristocrats would have custom firearms made for them. What I am proposing is that the outsider settlements be given a gunsmith. For a substantial fee these gun smiths could make improvements on your guns. These changes wouldn't be instant so you would have to come back later. Some of these improvements could be increased ammo capacity, more barrels on the gun, make it cause more damage etc. To keep it balanced the better the improvement the more it would cost and the longer it would take to do.|
suggest_time= 19:25, 12 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Only if guns are made breakable and the natives get a blowpipesmith. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Breakable (misfire/blowing up in hands/etc) guns are partially implemented - I have a few bits to finish off first though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
see my suggestion native temples [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

Well, if the weaponsmiths are introduced and weapons start blowing in hands, I'd like to see "good-quality weapons", which don't have the possibility of breaking. [[User:Mill Wilkinson|Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

===Additional Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Pirates/Outsiders|
suggest_description=
As discussed here - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,364.15.html - Why not have a fleet of ships sitting offshore from the wreck, anchored and not moving? Say, five of them, each with masts, holds and the other features which we see on the shipwreck. Only accessible from the ocean by climbing the chain from the anchor to the deck.

A few benefits:

1. it explains the proliferation of pirates on the island. No one expects such a huge number of pirates from one vessel.

2. it gives pirates and people tempting the dangers of the shipwreck something new to explore, and potential turf wars between pirates. Some of the wrecks could have particular dangers or advantages - for example, a hold in one ship could have an abundance of gems, and another be filled with rats. While I'm suggesting five ships offshore from the shipwreck, it could just as easily be three, or it could be ten. The idea is to have several in any event. It would get the pirates engaged in intrigue against each other over turf, and make the area more attractive to other players.

3. it takes the place of the numerous huts you see in villages, which the shipwreck lacks.

Incidental to this suggestion is to have other ships sitting offshore from the outsider villages - there is a natural inlet north-west of York which I figured would be a suitable harbour. Other non-pirate ships at other strategic places, like the abandoned ruins are, but specifically offshore the settlements to explain how the settlers got there. This idea includes a ship on a river, to make the rivers even more interesting, and a ship beneath the eastern marsh, to attract players out there. All of those ships could be taken by any group determined enough to do so - pirates, natives, outsiders - maybe with roaming shamans nearby to assist.

This suggestion does not require any new coding innovation - you would simply replicate the coding for the shipwreck, but at other locales.

So, in summary with some suggestions on locations for other ships:

1. one ship in Unity Bay near the island

2. one ship in the Long Fin River delta given the number of players in the locality

in addition to:

3. the eastern swamp, to encourage travel to that region

4. the harbour north of York, giventhe large numbers of people in York and the amount of traffic that route gets

and of course:

5. the flotilla at the wreck, of 3+ ships

6. a ship in the water at each settlement.

Finally, the shipwreck only has one mast. While it may be that other mast were destroyed in the wreck, a one masted sloops is an unlikely choice of pirate ship. Corvettes and frigates had three masts. I am guessing it would be possible to easily create three masted ships.|
suggest_time=15 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

* Does it only have one mast or is it just one mast that you can climb? It wouldn't be easy to create one with 3 masts that you can climb unless it occupied 3 separate map blocks and that would make for a very large ship. Moving the ships around would be quite complicated indeed and would be prone to people disappearing into non-existent map areas or being left stranded at the top of the mast with no way to get down. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not moving the ships then? And if the original shipwreck is actualy a one mast sloop, then why couldn't the frigates/corvettes take up three squares? it makes more sense than having a sloop the size of a frigate. This is all ofcourse, based on the size of the shipwreck...just ignore me and carry on...--[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 19:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:Assuming GPS co-ords are correct, isn't 1 block about 100m ? Were ships 300m long? We're talking roughly 900ft... seems awfully big. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Simon, yes, I figured the mechanics of moving ships would be too difficult. The suggestion is that the ships are static, effectively "landmarks' at sea for people to climb over. They would not move, but be anchored at sea and approachable only from the sea. As for the masts, wouldn't the easiest thing simply be to have three options in one square, like you have with the shipwreck (the hold, the armoury, the galley)? "Climb main mast", "climb aft mast" and "Climb mizzen mast" would be options for players, all on the one square. - Dave
:::If they were fake masts then yes, that could be done. The current ship has a real mast where when you go up, you actually go up to a level above everything else. Shartak has a 4D map (x,y,z,inside), unlike UD that has a psuedo-3D (x,y,in_or_out) - it's hard to explain, but going up from one block to 3 different blocks just won't work. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Simon, how does Shartak handle multiple huts in the same square? If the masts were treated as 'huts' instead of up/down movement, perhaps that might work? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, exactly the same sort of thing. - Dave
::::::Huts are treated as inside, because that's what they are. The difference between up/down and inside is that there can be multiple levels of inside but only 1 up/down. Hard to explain really without lots of complicated diagrams, but it allows all kinds of interesting tricks with the map such as tunnels that can cross over even at the same depth without actually becoming a crossroads. It does make generating the map somewhat awkward at times though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since Masts don't essentially take you anywhere - and assuming the rigging is such that it's impossible to venture from one mast to another - for this suggestion at least, treating Masts as Huts would seem to work as a solution? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Native Temples===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Natives|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to try to balance out the gun smith suggestion but I think it should be a separate suggestion. A blowpipesmith wouldn't make sense but a martial arts temple would. Each native village would have a temple and each would teach a unique fighting style and sell unique sets of weapons. A lot of native tribes back then had really awesome fighting styles. Even if you don't like the gun smith idea I think this would help balance things for the natives.|
suggest_time=13 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Fair enough, not a bad idea. But if you want that, and gunsmiths, then its unbalanced for pirates. http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Items#Flintlock_Pistols my Golden oldie of a suggestion balances this. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good I can't wait to get a pistol.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

The suggestion is very old now, i made it when i first came onto the game. Its unlikely that Simon will implement it now, sadly. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, November -> March was a pretty busy time. As Kenny said, I might just be waiting for the right time (got to keep the balance between native/outsider after all). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

He may still put pistols in the game, he might just be waiting for the right time to do it.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Trader Shipments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=My suggestion is that once a week or month traders get re-supplied from the mainland. With this previously rare items like shovels will be temporarily cheaper.|
suggest_time=11:07 April 16|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

This is good, but only if some settlements get shipments of an item and others don't. Economies are built on scarcity. Think about the price of rifles in most Outsider settlements. They are non-consumables, never need to be replaced once a player has enough rifles, so they have virtually no value at the trader's hut. The consumables, which must be constantly replenished (eg: first aid kits), are the more valuable commodities. Dumping a large shipment of any one item would cause the trade value of that item to plummet, thereby nerfing those players who scavenge and sell as their main occupation in the game. On the other hand, if the shipments arrive unevenly (eg: first aid kits to Derby and shovels to Durham) then scavengers would have a reason to travel. --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 11:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:At the risk of giving away too much info, shovels are not something that can be found. I believe the traders trade items for the raw materials and sit in their huts making the shovels themselves. After all, it's not like they're busy all the time. It keeps the prices up as they can only make one or two a day. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Class change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill fettling|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently people are stuck in whatever class they've chosen, often leaving them unable to get skills they would find useful for whatever they're ''actually'' doing.

So i'm suggesting a possible way to help these people, by offering a class change option which could be implemented by having it as an option that'd cost however much your next skill would cost, may also work as a temporary (single use) skill that allows a class change. possibly just giving you back the XP/levels you spent on any class-specific skills and dropping your level to match.|
suggest_time=08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Htkl|Htkl]]|
suggest_comments=

Any penalty for changing classes should be fairly hefty IMO. I think today I'll be a shaman, exorcise those spirits, ok now I want to be a villager to get the better scavenging search rates, and then having found all the herbs I need, I'll switch to a warrior and go take out some animals. Unless I've misunderstood the suggestion, giving back the XP for class specific skills could lead to this kind of thing. You should lose the XP for class specific skills - now that would be a sufficient deterrent to frivolous class switching. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think 100 XP is a reasonable return, I'm even tempted to suggest it as a standard game mechanic. --[[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::I really dislike this. The unique classes and skills are integral to the flavour of Shartak. This would alter things drastically and for frivolous reasons. If you need a certain skillset (e.g. shaman) try cooperating with another player in game. I vote "No, no, no!" --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 10:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Extra Revive Option===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=people who die|
suggest_description=I propose that we add an option to contact a shaman at a village other than the one you start at for 50 AP. You would be able to pick which village you respawn at.|
suggest_time=May 16 13:23|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

I think that if you should die in a foreign village, you should also be able respawn there or at your home shaman if you choose. Spawning anywhere sounds too much like teleportation. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 17:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Originally you could respawn at the nearest shaman if you were stood on the same square. This led to some rather tedious XP farming with two opposing sides sat on the shaman square in Dalpok and as soon as you died, you were revived and got killed again. Let's please try not to go there again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah I see, I've never actually died so I'm a little newbish in the death department. Maybe if it was possible to tell how far away the closest roaming shaman was, determined by squares from where you died. Or if thats too precise perhaps work it like your home beacon: Roaming Shaman 50AP (Very far east) --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 01:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Ok, I logged into my idle test pirate. 'es dead.
:What if outsiders could be revived in another outsider town if they are in it and natives could be revived in another native town if they are in it. Pirates would remain the same. [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Well===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New inanimate object|
suggest_scope=Everyone in a village|
suggest_description=Being a friendly fellow, I like to use my healing herbs on others and drink water for healing myself. The problem is, I have to treck a long distance to find any form of fresh water. What I propose is that in the center of every village there be a well. The well would be equipped with a bucket that would be used to bring water up from the well. For 1 AP, you can bring up the bucket that will be full of fresh water. Clicking on an empty gourd or bottle in your inventory would fill it with water, costing 1 AP each. After taking 10 scoops of water, it would need to be refilled for 2 AP (1 to drop the bucket, 1 to bring it back up). If you happen to attempt to get water from an empty bucket (0AP) a message would appear "The bucket is empty. Perhaps you should fill it back up with water."

The well would have an ingame graphic and would have a description of whether the bucket is down or up - "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is raised to the top." / "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is somewhere down below."
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suggest_time=17:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]]|
suggest_comments=


Hmmmm...awesome! I'm sure some clever person will think of a reason why this shouldn't be thought about, but right now, I think this is pretty good. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I like drinking water! -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 13:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Another endorsement of this suggestion - more ways to get fresh water (healing) sounds like a good improvement - and given the distance from some native settlements to bodies of fresh water, this would help explain where the traders get all their bottled water from. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Waves to erase Beach Writing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game tweak|
suggest_scope=Writing on the Beach.|
suggest_description=From time to time wave activity on the beaches should have a random chance to corrupt, partially erase or fully erase the writing in the sand.

'Shark free swim zone' could for example be corrupted to 'Fark free ... zone' or partially erased to 'Shark ... swim ...'.|
suggest_time=03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this one very much. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pollution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environmental effect|
suggest_scope=Litterbugs, people near them|
suggest_description=Whether you believe the spirits are punishing you for waste or the rats just like to lick the empty bottles, dropping tons of items has to have an effect. Items dropped are tallied daily and used to update the environmental status of the area like jungle growth. More polluted areas are more likely to turn up items in a search but are less likely to be useful. If an area is polluted enough there is a chance that increases with pollution that one could be damaged by walking through, searching, or staying for a prolonged time. Pollution can be cleaned up with a shovel.|
suggest_time=08:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Idle Characters===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Idle character event|
suggest_scope=Any non donor characters who have been idle for 8 weeks or greater.|
suggest_description=Per Simon's input to a discussion on the forum - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,502.msg15514.html#msg15514:

<blockquote>"The inactivity timeline would be something like:
 
Idle 1 week - you "disappear" from the map (taken steps to hide yourself from people and animals).
 
1-2 weeks - an email would be sent out informing you that your character has hidden and is safe from attack. This is sometimes enough to prompt people to return to Shartak, although I've not sent any out for a while.
 
8 weeks - your body is discovered and you're automatically dead because you starved to death or something. The discovery of your body causes you to be dragged back to your home town and dumped in the graveyard (now visible on the map as a decomposing corpse).
 
After 8 weeks of being inactive, your body is then vulnerable to grave robbers (search corpse button appears when in that square) and you may find that you return after a long break to find you have nothing in your inventory, but at least you're at home.
 
Perhaps we could even have it so that instead of being dragged back to your home town, your decomposing body is just left wherever you were. Once your inventory is empty and someone searches your corpse, you'd enter a final state where you don't appear on the map again (body disintegrates completely)."</blockquote>

This suggestion got several positive comments from forum members.
|
suggest_time=11:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Discussion with Entropy resulted in a slight modification - leave player with one weapon (either a machete or cutlass) - assuming they had one to start with. That way they're not completely stuck if they contact roaming shaman and end up in the middle of d10 jungle miles from anywhere. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
: I much prefer the idea the latter idea that your body would be found where or near where you were last active. I say 'near where' since it seems more realistic to find bodies of those who drowned in deep water on the beaches of Shartak or the smaller Islands. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


}}

===Terrain Without Trekking Changes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement.|
suggest_scope=Newbies/players without Trekking.|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when a player doesn't have Trekking, while jungle density 0 squares are .5 AP per, other types of terrain which should also be .5 AP per square are, instead, 1 AP per. These include settlements at density 0 (despite that the jungle is .5 AP, movement inside settlements is 1 AP), Grasslands, and Beaches. I propose these be changed. |
suggest_time=02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=

To me density 0 jungle is dirt with maybe some short grass - solid ground with obvious paths and easy to walk through. Grasslands is more like grassland savannahs with grass high enough to hide a tiger in, and high grass is a bit tough to walk through and find a path in. Walking through beaches can be tough too - sand isn't very solid and continually gives. Don't know about the town, makes more sense to walk faster through there, unless there are a lot of imaginary people or trash in the streets.
* Well said mystery commenter. The only one that might be sensible to change is the town - I probably missed something in the code. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Outposts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement!!! =p|
suggest_scope=Clans and overpopulation|
suggest_description=Outpost: A location that acts as a base of operations for a clan and containing a “home shaman” for that clan.|
suggest_time=01:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Pardus|Pardus]]|
suggest_comments=

Things that I’m leaving completely open for debate: Almost everything, including how they are gained and lost, what other things they’ll contain (if any), well basically everything, more interested in getting the basic idea on the table. [[User:Pardus|Pardus]]

I think a Shaman is a bit much, but I dont see why the odd hut in the middle of nowhere cant have some kind of basic trader or searching hut. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 20:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

* maybe player shaman revives, hmmm? --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Monuments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Descriptions|
suggest_description=Monuments would be the same as signposts, but they would be harder to make, to destroy and instead of driftwood they would be made with sharpening stones. 
These player made creations are meant to record certain important events for a long time, and even though signposts can be used to do this, they are usually destroyed fairly qickly because of their weakness. 
It would take about 20 sharpening stones as well as 50 AP to create a monument and 50 hits would be needed to destroy one. 
This should make sure that people don't "monument spam" determined areas and at the same time it would discourage vandals to eliminate parts of history. 
Once created, monuments would display the text "There is a stone monument here. It reads" followed by the creator's message. 
Unless it is difficult or impossible to program, it could be possible to place both a signpost and a monument on the same square. 

Original discussion can be found here: [http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,633.0.html] 

The entire suggestion is not mine, though, it is based on the ideas of G3N, Tomn, Cthulhu, Black Joe and others who posted in the thread mentioned above.|
suggest_time=16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Can't have sign and monument on the same block (or monument and hut/tree/etc). I don't see sharpening stones being all that useful for building monuments either - I'm thinking they're about 2 inches wide, perhaps an inch thick, and maybe 4-6 inches long. What you'd be wanting is a pickaxe and be able to "harvest" large rocks from the mountain sides or tunnels. These rocks would take 2 inventory spaces and every 4 rocks carried would impose an extra 1AP movement cost.. etc etc oh dear, it's all getting a bit complicated now! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

: A pickaxe would be nice, but complicated, indeed.
:However, large rocks could be found on jungle squares, just like driftwood can be found on the beach.
:Instead 20 sharpening stones and 50 AP it would take 10 large stones and 10 AP to build a monument (finding the stones will be hard enough by itself).
:I think that another way to simulate its weight would be having it take up 5 inventory spaces. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

To make it simpler, you could make rocks take up more space in the inventory, instead of imposing an additional movement penalty Simon. Rocks could take up 5 inventory spaces instead of the 2 you first proposed, making it difficult for a player to carry more than what is necessary to make a monument. I don't have a single character that has more than 20 spaces available, but that's me. One more thing, I think attacking a monument is possible with swords and machetes, but should increase the chances of breakage by a huge amount. Best way to destroy a monument should be with a pickaxe or a rifle. --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

:Maybe if the stones for the monuments where only found around Mount Shartak (so you'd have to travel a fair bit to aquire them)or maybe even only in the caves. And also if a monument-worth of stones filled up your '''whole''' inventory (you'd have to emty your inventory in a hole somwhere to pick it up later) - So to build a monument you'd need allies (for protection), knowing of the island, be ready to potentially loose your inventory (however rather unlikely) and a fair deal of time dedicated to it. The reason for these pretty harsh conditions to build a monument is to prevent them popping up everywhere. Also, you probably could rise the HP of the monument a bit more in this case. --[[User:Big Kahuuna|Big Kahuuna]] 10:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Poll===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Active terrain|
suggest_scope=Citizens|
suggest_description=At the centre of each camp, village, and on the deck of the shipwreck is a polling station that could either activate at a set interval or as a request to Simon. The presence of an active polling station for your settlement adds the Vote action with a field to add the name of the canidate you are voting for. At the end of the election the winner is anounced and the polling station changes into a sign indicating the current governor, chief, or captain.|
suggest_time=22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

That's not a bad idea...as long as everyone still votes me in as police captain... but at the shipwreck, what would you have there? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

A captain, a first-mate (doing police-stuff), the rum-master... [[User:Mill Wilkinson|Mill Wilkinson]]

}}

=== Oyster Bed ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=Certain [[Water]] and [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would become oyster beds. Oyster beds would not be visible from the surface but would be reported to anyone who dives at their location...
:''Peering through the murky waters you see oysters scattered across the river/lake/sea bed.''
Oyster beds would have a yield and replenish rate for searches similar to the yield rate for fruit-bearing trees and bushes. Diving and successfully searching would yield [[Suggestions:Items#Oysters|oysters]].

Suggested locations for beds of edible oysters would be one or more of the mouth of the northern [[Water#River|River]], the [[Water#Pool|Pool]] that feeds that river, the great [[Water#Lake|Lake]] between [[Wiksik]] and [[Raktam]] and the shallow water N of [[Unity Island]].

Suggested locations for combined beds of edible and pearl-bearing oysters would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

=== Sunken Wreck ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=One or perhaps two [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would feature a sunken wreck on the seabed. The sunken shipwreck would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be a large dark shape beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching a sunken wreck could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a cutlass, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of rum or beer, a FAK, a silver skull cross, a rifle, a box of bullets etc.

Suggested locations for a sunken wreck would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island, the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the W tip of the Durham Peninsula and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] S / SE of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Read the comment below, mr. author :) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea of underwater things. New items and landmarks submerged under is a plus.--[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 21:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Submerged Ruins ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=A specific [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] location would feature a submerged ruin on the seabed. The submerged ruin would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be regular rectangular shapes on the seabed beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching the ruin could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a machete, a spear, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of beer, a healing herb, a rabbit foot charm, a blowpipe, a bundle of darts etc.

Suggested locations for a submerged ruin would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

More underwater-only items please. Every item you mentioned can be found in the plain ol' jungle, hence submerged ruins are not so interesting place to visit. Maybe heavy machete or sth liek that? :) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pirate Talk!===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=wierd pirates only thing|
suggest_scope=pirates|
suggest_description=
I saw the filter for today's event! Int. TLAP day. And it hit me, why not make a filter for pirates to talk that way? It could be an optional thing, one could turn it on or off using the edit profile page.
If its turned on, the said pirate would talk like a pirate till he turns it off.|
suggest_time=04:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elegost|Elegost]]|
suggest_comments=

As an optional filter for pirates, this sounds great. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 05:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
*Darn, you beat me to it! I was going to suggest the exact same thing. And I was on the way to do that before I saw this. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 18:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
**Excellent idea. I'm getting a bit tired of always translating my own text to pirate talk all the time. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 18:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
***Seems like a good idea. Most of the code should already be there? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 17:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Shartak Mountain===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environment / mechanic|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to alter the basic location description to include the direction and approximate distance (near / distant / far) in which Shartak Mountain can be seen e.g.:
:''Looming over you to the S is the bulk of Shartak Mountain.''
:''Off in the distance E you can see Shartak Mountain.''
:''Far to the NW you can see the cloud-covered peak of Shartak Mountain.''
Jungle density that restricts line-of-sight would also block the view of the mountain. The direction would be plotted to the (theoretical) peak of Shartak Mountain as defined by Simon.

This suggestion is intended to ease navigation for new players and to explain how natives get around without the use of outsider devices. By default all the compass directions are known to starting characters as mini-map orientation remains consistent; presumably they carry a compass. If characters are not presumed to have a compass see my [[Suggestions:Items#Compass|Compass]] suggestion.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 12:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Would help people with out a map get their bearings a bit. Gives some distinction in the jungle without actually adding a landmark. Gets my vote! --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 19:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
* how come I never thought of that ;) Very useful one. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 21:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Malaria===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Disease|
suggest_scope=Can affect anyone|
suggest_description=This is a suggestion about implementing a disease into Shartak. Malaria, as many of you may know, is caused by mosquitos. Mosquitos are drawn to stagnant water (in fact malaria actually means 'bad air' and used to be known as 'marsh/swamp fever'), and people bitten by them can become infected. I'd like to see mosquitos around the swamp areas, and anyone searching in them facing the liklihood of being bitten and infected. Side effects could either be gradual health loss over a period of time, or loss upon action (i.e. 3HP lost everytime you move). Cures could either be from first aid kits, healing herbs, or maybe even tasty berry juice. I think it would be a good idea to implement this to counter the number of people searching in swamps for, er, certain items.

There is also the possibilty of introducing other animal borne diseases into Shartak e.g. rabid monkey, if they bite and infect you it costs additional AP to perform a task. |
suggest_time=16:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Roman Totale|Roman Totale]]|
suggest_comments=

* I'd support this idea but with modifications. Shark bites inflict 1 HP bleeding per AP - tsetse fly bites should not have 3 times the effect of the shark bite. Perhaps shark bites should have their effect increased? Furthermore, malarial fever does not occur immediately after biting - there should be a time delay before onset e.g. 120 APs plus or minus a random amount. Malaria is also difficult to cure - FAKs and herbs should have an XX% chance of '''not''' effecting a cure. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 19:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps a new item, or something mixed in with berry juice? I don't know how much a First Aid kit would do againts a disease.--[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 21:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
* melikes. (like my protozoa suggestion, dirty amoebas with trembling pseudopods...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but curing malaria involves (at least it involved in every malaria in jungle book I've read) quinine, so we could have new item implemented, found at 2% in a med hut/deep jungle (?). Effects could occur from time to time (like with real malaria), making you lose a little HP and lots of AP while trying to do anything. The attack would wear off with time or could be stopped immediately with quinine (or fak /herbs). --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 20:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:Quinine is also found in tonic water - all we need now is some gin...--[[User:Roman Totale|Roman Totale]] 07:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:Offtopicizing, a Kingdom of Loathing direction ;) --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Change To Seance===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Altered mechanics|
suggest_scope=Shaman, Villager and Settler|
suggest_description=This suggestion is for an alteration to the shamanic 'Seance' skill. At present the use of 'Seance' merely reveals the passive spirits in the current location square. With this alteration the use of 'Seance' would automatically make all nearby spirits visible to the Shaman on the mini-map in the same way that other players or animals are visible in the mini-map. This would allow for efficient, targeted exorcisms.

Upon pressing the 'Seance' button the Shaman would expend 5 APs to enter into a trance. Once in the trance the 'Seance' button would change to 'Leave Trance'. Whilst the Shaman is in the trance all spirits in range become visible on the mini-map. This visibility would include showing spirits ''inside'' a hut if the shaman is outdoors and spirits in the terrain ''outside'' a hut if the shaman is indoors. Any actions taking by the Shaman (with the exception of an Exorcism) cost an additional 2 APs per action e.g. moving 1 square with Trekking would be 2.5 APs, entering/leaving a hut would cost 3 APs, speaking would cost 3 APs.

The exact AP numbers for entering a trance and taking actions whilst in a trance are up for debate. As an alternative to changing the 'Seance' mechanic this could be made an additional skill called 'Spirit Vision' that has 'Seance' as a prerequisite or a complete renaming of the 'Seance' skill.
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suggest_time=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=


I rather like this, especially as an additional skill with Seance as a prerequisite. However I don't think it should allow you to see ghosts in a hut if you're outside, or see ghosts outside if you're in a hut [[User:Blahmicho|Blahmicho]] 00:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I like this suggestion, but I also agree with Blahmicho on not seeing ghosts inside a hut if you are outside and vice versa [[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

}}

===A Shot at Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=whatever you want to think this is|
suggest_scope=to peacemakers|
suggest_description=
I have noted that violence remains to be the most popular way of gaining xp in game. I think peaceful means of gaining xp could be improved on.
Healing players of other races could give +3-5xp (depends on what simon would think), like when native heals pirate, pirate heals outsider, outsider heals native etc.
 Anyone who attacks someone for more than a total of 3hp then heals them would result in no extra xp gain for healing.
 eg. A pirate wandering in the jungle comes across a wounded native. He then taps the person with his cutlass for 3hp to see if its lama or some dangerous native, but it then turns out to be a friendly native. He then heals the native and gains +3xp for every heal he made.
 in the same way, a native fires a poison dart at an outsider by accident for 4hp, then heals the outsider. He doesn't gain any bonus xp for healing the player because he attacked for more than 3hp.
 This is again to promote peace in the island.|
suggest_time=12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elegost|Elegost]]|
suggest_comments=

Skull face, i know you won't support this. So please, just be quiet. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 12:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:I will make my comments and you will leave them intact please or I'll report you for wiki vandalism - this is a public page where we all have a voice. I vote '''No''' as this suggestion is based on flawed logic - why should an outsider healing a native he just stabbed gain more XP than an outsider healing an outsider victim of a native attack? It also has potential for exploitative stab-and-heal actions which could result in a disproportionate XP gain. Thumbs down. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 20:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::Apparently, you're not bright enough. I removed the entire section and replaced it with this NEW one. Can't remove comments that aren't there can i? ;) And the protection against xp-gaining abuse is already there. A cheaper version of the IFF, try to tap him with your weapon. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 08:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::May I suggest that you both ignore each other completely? Obviously, this will never be resolved, so continuing is simply pointless.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 02:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

One of the basic premises of the game is Natives vs Outsiders vs Pirates. A lot of players play that premise out - running a native who kills outsiders and vice versa. Those who choose to play peaceful characters typically do so because of role-playing reasons rather than in game rewards. I don't see that a small amount of XP (3-5) would necessarily persuade anyone to play in a more peaceful fashion. 
Furthermore, there are existing peaceful ways to ID a character whose identity you don't know, e.g. [Identify_Friend_or_Foe]. If you want to promote peace, using violence (even in small quantities) to identify seems a bit backwards - why not a simpler suggestion that you can ID people without having to hit them? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 20:39, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

: The first idea that most players get is that the game is like an island war. Natives vs Outsiders vs Pirates. But it isn't, there really is no set goal for anyone as far as i know,0 that's just the most obvious.
 And i'm merely just promoting island peace. And healing other races is a good start. Violence need not be the only way to play the game.
 I see your point on the stabbing thing. But not everyone has a gold coin to spare. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 08:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Clan News===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Clan Organization|
suggest_scope=All clans|
suggest_description=Pretty simple idea; an in-clan news system that functions like the "Game News" system. Keeps clan members informed of any changes, updates, and so on without forcing them to check the forums, a wiki, or to meet the leaders personally. If server load is a problem (I dunno if it would be, but...), you could perhaps have a minimum amount of active players in the clan for news to work, or have a limit on how much news remains in the archives; for instance, only five news items at any time, with new, er, news deleting the oldest news..|
suggest_time=02:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Tomn|Tomn]]|
suggest_comments=

I really like this idea, as it gives clan leaders the opportunity to bring a message to his clan's members. 
Message boards and Wiki pages can be used to do the same, but many people don't check those, so in-game messaging would be much more effective. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 08:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

}}

User talk:Skull Face

2007-10-22T08:31:43Z

0000FF Beard: /* Abuse, And Rebuttal Of Same */

== Comment From Marvin ==

You're not very nice :P--[[User:A Russian Pirate|Marvin]] 11:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
* What makes you say that Marvin? [[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 13:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
** A number of factors--[[User:A Russian Pirate|Marvin]] 10:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

==Abuse, And Rebuttal Of Same==
First off, i agree with Marvin. You're not very nice. :) 
Second, i wasn't spamming. Its a legitimate suggestion. Everyone is free to make a suggestion sicko. If you have nothing to help build the suggestion up or make it better, or at least help it balance; you could just say i don't like it at all instead of going all noble and self-righteous about things. And i guess you don't read properly do you? you should go back to school and learn how to read effectively and efficiently. in case you didn't comprhend, i'll restate it for you. I suggested that in order to at least have a shot at non-violent means of gaining xp and a better rp-ing experience for those who like being healers of anyone and everyone. and it could improve island relations. If you have nothing else to say, please, do shut up a little on the negative comments? This isn't the forum you know, we have a forum for insulting and making others feel bad in case you didn't know that by now. There are loads of people to insult there, including yourself. Go and make your impudent sarcasm there, not here. -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 03:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:Learn the distinction between criticism of an ''idea'' and criticism of a ''person''. It is not me who needs to go back to school. My comments regards your suggestion were not aimed at you personally and they were written in the same tongue-in-cheek tone that you used in the actual suggestion. Your comments above are abusive on a personal level. If there is a wiki moderator I will be bringing your comments to his/her attention.

:Furthermore, if my comments were of no worth, why did you then change your suggestion to try and address those flaws I noted? Put plainly, my criticism was spot-on and you didn't like it. Here's a few more criticisms:

::* Shartak is a game of conflict - the game is predicated on conflict between natives and outsiders and that conflict has, so far, been successful in establishing the consensual reality. Warriors/soldiers (and pirates) are combat classes and they make up a huge proportion of the active characters. Also note that every character has access to 5 combat-oriented skills (9 if you count the Tracking tree for manhunting and another 2 for warriors/soldiers) versus 2 healing-oriented skills (3 for scientists). The suggestion of doubling the XP for healing others is nothing more than a flawed attempt to engineer some of that conflict out of the game.

::* A native attacking a native does not gain half XP. Attacking people from your home camp gives half XP. There's a significant difference ;)

::* The suggestion would serve to increase rewards for XP farming via stab-and-heal actions, contradicting your 'better RP-ing experience' argument. These are already a source of friction, the suggestion would play in their favour.

::* At time of writing, scientists cannot see the HP totals of natives. Nice try but no cigar.

::* Why should an outsider healing a native gain more XP than an outsider healing an outsider victim of a native attack? Flawed logic.

:The suggestion was rubbish and that's why I criticised it. At that time I intended no criticism of the person. Now I do. You are abusive, apparently illiterate and apparently incapable of logical reasoning. Whilst your posts / arguments have a (very) small degree of entertainment value, please do not post any further personal attacks of this nature on my pages. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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I agree with Elegost. 
If you didn't like the idea, you could've simply said so. 
There was no need to be so harsh. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 10:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:My comments regards the idea were not harsh, they were absolutely to the point and they were made with humour in mind, echoing the non-serious tone of the actual suggestion. If you think Elegost's suggestion has merit then support it in the suggestions thread, don't back him in his attempts to try and shout down the opposition. At the time of my writing this you haven't supported the suggestion which rather implies that you too think the suggestion is rubbish. It is also interesting that you choose to criticise me yet you have said nothing about the personal attacks made in Elegost's statement above. You seem to have double standards 0000FF Beard... prove me wrong? --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 22:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

::Whether I like Elegost's suggestion or not has nothing to do with this.
::Don't try to distort the reality to make me look like the "bad guy".
::I said what I said because you were behaving improperly.
::You are right when you say that Elegost made personal attacks against you, but all this wouldn't have happened had you been more polite.
::You claim your comment was meant in a humorous way, though I fail to see how "your idea is teh suck" can be funny.
::I also doubt you would've liked it if someone said that about one of your suggestions.
::Anyway, it looks like I'm just repeating what Black Joe already wrote. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 09:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm distorting nothing. My comments were in no way abusive and did not merit the response I've received so far. I'd love it if people would engage more on these suggestions in order to separate the wheat from the chaff, my own included. It is plain that you hold me to different standards than Elegost - you seek to excuse his actions whilst (metaphorically) condemning mine in the same breath. IMO such double standards serve only to devalue anything you might bring to the discussion. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 23:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

::::If you want to go on believing your own version of the story, you can do so.
::::I won't go on discussing this with you, because this leads to nowhere anyway.
::::But next time you make a mean comment, I'll report it to a moderator.
::::You don't want to correct yourself, so others must do it for you.
::::Bye bye. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 08:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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I agree with Marvin...and Elegost...and 0000FF Beard. Even before I saw these comments, I nearly posted a response to your rather inappropriate comments on Elegost's post. While I agree with you that Elegost was out of line in his response, that does not excuse your behavior. You initiated the conflict. Whether you meant it in an abusive manner or not, your comments DID come across as caustic and mean-spirited. I'm not going to bother discussing the merits of your and Elegost's accusations, since I find both distasteful. You were both at fault to some degree. However, I find it interesting that you refuse to concede any fault, even when someone else uninvolved in the conflict (0000FF Beard) tells you that your behavior is a problem. You have a lot to contribute to the community, Skull Face, but your actions in this matter have made me lose a lot of respect for you. When at fault, the proper thing to do is apologize, not point fingers back at the other party. You answer for YOUR behavior, and Elegost answers for his.

That being said, I do think Elegost owes you an apology as well. While Elegost is a friend, his comments were abusive, too. I won't repost this for Elegost, as I expect he'll read my comments here. Elegost, Skull Face, the ball is in your court. --[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 01:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:I initiated no such conflict - there's a fundamental difference between a personal attack and criticism of an idea - anyone who cannot emotionally separate the two should reconsider the wisdom of posting in an open wiki where suggestions are open to criticism. When I am attacked ''personally'' I will defend myself to the fullest. I defend myself vs a personal attack and you accuse me of 'pointing the finger'? Frankly that is BS. There's a difference between my actions and Elegost's actions - it may be subtle but to me it's important. If Elegost was offended by my saying 'this idea sucks' he should have said so. If he felt it was inappropriate he should have said so. There was nothing mean-spirited intended - I would have explained myself and apologised - I am conscious of the fact that my sense of humour may not necessarily be shared by others and I do try to reign it in. I was greeted by the statements above which go just a wee bit beyond comments on the relative merits of a game suggestion. IMO the suggestion sucked. I said so. And I didn't say so in isolation, I gave an example of why it sucked, an example which may have contributed towards the suggestion being reworked. That's a functional definition of criticism.

:I don't need trite comments regards appropriate behaviour, I have a good grasp of the dynamics of debate and interaction. I can already see the picking and choosing of the points to address, ignoring those that don't fit the argument. I can do that too if needs be. The actions of yourself and 0000FF Beard simply make me dig my heels in more. You probably don't see how these actions look from my POV and even if you do I doubt that you care. If you genuinely wanted to act as a conciliatory party and have this matter resolved amicable you would do well to take a more neutral stance and consider the responses so far ;)

:And a last word of advice to all who might be reading this. Management 101 - opening your arguments with "you're not very nice" is a sure-fire way to alienate the person whom you address and thus invalidate any points you might otherwise make. --[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]] 23:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

::I rather expected this response, honestly. Ah well. I've put in my two cents. If you choose not to listen to the rest of the community, I can't and won't force you. Enjoy your Shartak experience.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 03:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

==An Apology==
Hmmmm, well, yeah. You do have a point. I'm sorry for being not-so serious about the suggestion and i'd be more than happy to edit it myself into a more formal suggestion.
You have shown me a thing i didn't know about.
:I didn't know natives attacking other natives doesn't give half xp.
 It would change part of my suggestion. But on your views on my suggestion, I don't see things that way because, i promote peace. So you have seen something i didn't see when i was thinking of my suggestion. That's very nice of you, but i would have preferred to hear something in a more friendly less stuck-up-know-it-all way. So yeah, i'll try my best to improve on being a know-it-all.
 So yeah. I really don't care what you think about me, cause honestly, i don't, you're simply not important enough to me. But still, i'm sorry for hurting your feelings, that was very not nice of me. i'll revise my suggestion in the morning if it helps you sleep better. its late evening here right now. good day -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 14:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Skull Face

2007-10-21T09:04:19Z

0000FF Beard: /* Abuse, And Rebuttal Of Same */

User talk:Skull Face

2007-10-20T10:54:33Z

0000FF Beard: /* Please, do watch your mouth */

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2007-09-19T18:12:09Z

0000FF Beard: /* Pirate Talk! */

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Game mechanics}}

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler.|
suggest_time=23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

*That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

*So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response to this idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)

}}

=== Capturing villages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands?|
suggest_time=03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

*You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
** Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


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=== Unique skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc.|
suggest_time=02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

*Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)

*I agree with this as well. It seems Shartak is on the way to giving each class their own benefits (Soldiers/Warriors with gun skills, Settlers/Villagers with animal affinity etc.), but so far only a few have been made unique. At present there is really no point to being a scientist. He starts with 10 gold coins... what the? So I'm pushing for each class to have at least one unique skill they can purchase with XP. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 11:50, 3 June 2006 (BST)

*I feel the introduction of the unique skill system would make the game much more interesting. but i disagree with the idea that people should just start off with one, rather i feel it should be purchased like the other skills on offer. Additionally rather they have one skill strand/branch like that of the gun skill or animal affinity, it would be interesting and more fun to have a multiple skill branches in line with the specific character classes, like for instance giving the soldiers/warrior classes defensive skill strands in additional to their offensive ones. Furthermore there should be distinctions between the native & outsider classes so they’re similar yet different. Like for instance the firearm/blowpipe skill upgrades are currently identical, I hope in future they could be retooled to promote native/outsider gameplay differences. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 03:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:*A for Anarchy is right about warrior/soldiers skill trees. One idea to lively things up is for Native warriors to get a skill allowing them to manufacture a poison dart if they have a bunch of poisonous berries. This will allow them to not have to go back to their home villages to restock on ammo, they could 'live off the land' by simply searching the local poisonous berry bushes and making poison darts themselves. Soldiers should get something else, in line with the theme of the game. (Of course if it was up to me, the whole ranged weapon system would be overhauled. Another problem with ranged weapons is that they are useless to non-soldierwarriors) [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

*Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
**Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
***Taming Skills (adds 30%)
*Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*1. Create several new skills, with Animal Affinity as a prerequisite:
**Small Animal Training (base 25% chance of success): by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a small animal (monkey, parrot or small deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random fun thing visible to thos around you. eg: a parrot might tell a little joke, the monkey might do a little dance, and the deer just stands there looking irrestibly cute.
***Large Animal Training (base 10% chance of success)by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a large animal (elephant, tiger or large deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random thing. eg: a elephant might trumpet majestically, the tiger might roar, and the deer does, umm, impressive deer stuff.
**Combat Trained Animals: Allows the possessor to command their large or small animal to attack. Mechanically this makes the previously trained animals into weapons. Small animals hit at 50%, doing 1 point of damage. Large Animals hit at 10%, but do 5 points of damage. With each attack, there would be a chance similar to that of a machete to go dull or break, in the case of an animal, though, it dies or runs off, and is therefore lost.
*2. Create an item called "Animal Feed". It would be available from the traders, for approximately the same as a FAK. It is used up by rolling either Train Animal skill, whether the roll is successful or not. In the case of Combat Trained Animals, it might be expended in a manner similar to a rifle's bullets. Not sure about that last part, though. lol


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=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

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=== Auto Attack ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.|
suggest_time=02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Qberry|Qberry]]|
suggest_comments=

* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*I support this idea in theory, but of course it must be approached carefully. I like JonesDye's idea of not gaining XP for counter-attacks, and there are so many other factors to consider. QBerry-- you should start a thread about this in the forums to get all sides of the debate and get discussion going. This could be a great feature if implemented correctly. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 4 June 2006 (BST)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
:* See the end of the list at [[The Shartak Wiki:Community Portal#Greasemonkey scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

''Edit'':

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat|
suggest_time=06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Slith|Slith]]|
suggest_comments=

*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat? It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness. Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's [[Boatyard]]. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
****I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)
* i reckon the boat idea would be great especially for the CP so we are land police of york and water police of york!,hopefully this does work out!. [[User:Riddick|riddick]] 21:17 10 June,2006 (GMT).
*If boats are implemented, wouldn't it make sense to allow pirates a special skill regarding them? After all, the pirates on Shartak were all sailors before wrecking their ship. It would only make sense if they (for instance) used fewer AP to sail or something similar. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 8:53, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
*I think that boats could add a valuable dimension to the game once more pressing issues (such as spirit exorcism/warding) are dealt with and the active population of the island grows by a few hundred (because boats would spread players out over an even larger area and make people even harder to find outside of camps). Anyway, here are my ideas.
**Regarding boat speed, realism would demand that boat travel be faster than swimming in at least some cases. At best, a boat should be able to travel from York to Derby (for example) faster than anyone could make the trip on foot (~160 AP with ''trailblazing''; see [[User:Elembis/Sandbox#Camp travel distances|my sandbox]]). Furthermore, a four-person crew should be able to outrun or at least keep up with a boat with just one person onboard. I think a boat should move for 1.5 AP regardless of how many people (up to 4) are in it. With cooperation, a full crew could make the York-Derby trip (~276 squares east to west) in 276 × 1.5 / 4 = 103.5 AP per person, or a little under a day and a half. A 1.5 AP move cost for boats would make swimming faster for a single player in shallow water but not in deep water, and a crew of two or more people would be able to outdistance any swimmer.
**The boat would have a virtual helm, and only players at the helm (captains) would be able to set the boat's course (one of the eight compass directions) and sail off-course if they desired. Non-captains would only be able to move the boat in the direction of the course or the two adjacent directions (so a NW course would only allow them to move N, NW and W). The helm could be shared, but only an empty helm could be taken (i.e., you have to kill the captain(s) first). This would keep players from climbing aboard and sailing far off-course (or perhaps to shore in hostile territory). A captain who left the boat would return as crew and would need to be promoted again by whoever had the helm.
**Boats could be entered, exited, or boarded from another boat for 1 AP. Players would leave boats (1) voluntarily, (2) by being killed, or (3) if they were not a captain and a captain forced them off for 1 AP.
**Construction would occur on the beach, as Tycho suggested. (A one-time script would flag beach squares next to water, and construction of boats would only be possible on those squares.) It would progress one piece at a time to (1) avoid unrealistic near-instant boat construction and (2) to allow multiple people to contribute driftwood to the effort. There would be a 1 AP "Build" button and a dropdown box for all boats on the square. ("[Build] <nothing / Ye Olde Boat> with a piece of driftwood.") After contributing a piece of driftwood a player would see how many more pieces the boat needed. There would also be a form for starting a new boat with one piece of driftwood. ("[Start building] a new boat named [text input].")
**Boats would be attackable with melee weapons and could disintegrate slowly (1) when they are unoccupied, (2) when they have been under construction for more than a week, and (2) as they travel. A boat would only disappear from the game if it had 0 HP and had been that way for an entire week. (A script could run every ''x'' hours to check for unoccupied boats and damage them, and a nightly script could check for destroyed and abandoned boats and delete them.) For realism and gameplay, it should be easier to kill all four passengers on a boat than to destroy the boat itself as well as more rewarding (i.e., hurting a boat would yield few XP, if any). Attacks that targeted the boat would be visible to everyone onboard just as if they themselves were being attacked. Players onboard would be attackable by anyone on the square, whether the attacker is riding in another boat or swimming. (If sailors were not attackable, natives raiding outsider camps would be able to take sanctuary in boats just offshore.) Giant squids would attack boats about as often as they attacked the people onboard (unless a passenger had attacked the squid, in which case the squid would focus on that player until they were dead). Sharks, however, would leave boats and their occupants alone.
**Most important, in my opinion, is that the best boat builders and/or repairers would be settlers, villagers and pirates. While boat construction would be too fun to not share, those three classes need unique skills. An exclusive repair skill might be appropriate; unskilled captains would push a boat until it couldn't go anywhere (or hire someone to repair it), but settlers/villagers/pirates would be able to repair boats (including any abandoned ones they found). Fully repairing a nearly destroyed boat should probably be about half as expensive, in terms of both AP and driftwood, as building a new one. Needless to say, boats could be a real chore to implement, but they would surely make the game even more distinctive and rich. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 20:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*As much as I don't care for PK-ing (especially against newbies like me!), it is something many people enjoy (and I am in full agreement with [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] about how newbies could visit enemy territory and be invincible) and is an excellent way of gaining XP if you choose to do so. I second the notion of having a PvP free hut in each settlement/village; perhaps disable the attack command entirely while in there? As a penalty for using such a hut, there should be no resource items there, so that players will still need to 'risk' being in resource huts to restock. Or, at least charge 5AP to enter (you have to talk your way in or at least convince the guards to allow you entrance; thus people who 'play it safe' will need to conserve their AP as they are not taking risks). One of the hallmarks of games like this is AP managment, and most of us learned that the hard way...--[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".

''Note: One of the raisons d'etre for this suggestion has been eliminated with the shaman changes, so this suggestion is less relevant than it was and in some ways outdated. It might still be workable, though it will have to be approached differently.'' [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::If there is a 10% chance to get one gold coin per hour, and if during a large portion of the day both natives and outsiders are on the gold mine square so no mining is going on, then the odds would be that the lots of people would get 0 gold coins (or very few) before being killed, a total waste of time for them, and they might not bother going back after they're killed, which defeats the gold mine's purpose as a strategic location that people will fight over. This is why I say people need something tangible every hour. In fact, that should be revised to "something tangible every AP turnover", i.e. every 20 minutes. Even if someone is there for only a short time, they should have something to show for it, which they almost certainly wouldnt with a low % chance per hour of getting one gold coin. Your idea of scaling the gold that the mine produces could be implemented by making Gold Prospector Jim give fewer gold coins the more nuggets he receives. In other words, a gold mining version of the current trading system. Since he will have received 0 gold nuggets as the mine is first discovered, one gold nugget could trade for one gold coin, and as more people start cashing in, the value of a gold nuggest would go down, to where he wants 20 or so nuggets for one gold coin. The value would fluctuate throughout the day and week as people cash in more gold nuggets. This way, scalability is achieved while continuing to be able to reward something tangible every AP turnover. Also, I would say gold nuggets should take 0 inventory space just like gold coins, since in theory 72 could be given out per day to one person, and that would fill up anyone's inventory, allowing them to not receive any more. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

*I agree there needs to be more locations worth going to, but adding just one will not add enough to shake things up. I think a mine with various valuable minerals such as gold (not coins but actual lumps of gold since it was just mined) and maybe forgeable material, ect. But you should have to actually apply AP to mine it out, maybe with varying % to find different minerals in different parts of the mine (I imagine it as an underground area much like a temple with multiple squares)

Along with the mine I was thinking of other locations that would attract people. What about a sunken ship, with treasure perhaps, in the ocean (like deep ocean, shark attack deep deal) somewhere to the northeast of the island since none of the settlements are very close to that? Another place that people are going is that island to the west of the main island. Perhaps something of value could be put there as well, like say an ancient stucture like all those temples only better. (Think El Durado!) I think that the swamp should have something in it aswell, I don't know what.

The biggest thing I would want to see implimented would be buried treasure, placed in a random jungle square anywhere in Shartak every 1st of the month, with pieces of the treasure map being found at random. Groups and individuals would scramble to find the chest, which would no doubt be full of gold dubloons and other valuable treasure. People who don't want to look for the treasure could sell pieces of the map to others who do for high prices. If noone finds the treasure by the 1st of the next month then the treasure rolls over into next month so that month will have 2 chests at the location! Only the first person to dig it up gets what it contains. Anyone else will find a hole with an empty chest in it. How's that for location/events? (I was thinking of making this its own suggestion but didn't want to steal this persons 'thunder' as it were) --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
 This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Message in a bottle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New item, message system|
suggest_scope=All characters in Beach terrain|
suggest_description=Much like the "make signpost" action, creating a message in a bottle will only be available to players standing in Beach terrain. Unless the "Refillable containers" suggestion is implemented, to create a message in a bottle will require a bottle of beer, bottle of rum, or bottle of water and some newer items - parchment and charred driftwood or berry paint. There would be a textarea and a button, much like the existing message actions. Upon clicking the "make message" button, the items required are removed from the player's inventory and their text message is added to the database.

Although it would be neat to actually see the bottles floating in the water and following unique movement patterns, that would lead to some very cluttered areas. So instead the message in a bottle becomes a rare search result in Beach terrain.

When a player finds a message in a bottle the system generates a random number and selects the associated message to that number from the database. After reading the message, the player has the option to destroy or return the bottle. Destroying the message in a bottle removes it from the database. Returning it throws the bottle back into the sea to be found again. There should probably be a default message in the event that all the unique messages are destroyed or the search odds could be modified to reflect that there are no more messages in a bottle to be found.

Each message could also have a stat to display how many times the message was read before.|
suggest_time=05:33, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Nice idea. I'd rather have the message bottle also be rare-findable in water. I think it'd be kind of neat to have some items found in water, even if only text messages generated by other players. The suggestion does await parchment, although I think that berries alone would be sufficient for ink ("you write in berry juice") rather than requiring a separate ink item. Implementing parchment might get a bit complicated - I'd prefer a very streamlined approach so that players aren't carrying around six (or 71) different message'd parchments at once. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Map quest===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Quest|
suggest_scope=All characters, new NPCs|
suggest_description=There is a limited usefulness for the map for those without access to the mapping scripts. There is also a limited incentive for players to explore foreign camps. This suggestion provides a simple quest for players to hopefully address both issues.

Each town will possess a new NPC (or possibly a retooled home shaman or trader) that has a fragment of a map. The fragment will display the general vicinity around the camp. After a player interacts with the NPC and acquires a map fragment, they can view map.html and see two new buttons: "view torn map" and "compare maps". "View torn map" will display the collection of map fragments acquired by the player. "Compare maps" will overlay the player's personal map on top of the torn map.

I imagine the map fragments to resemble the parchment look featured in the game logo, but each camp might use a different medium or writing implement which will give the torn map a patchwork appearance.

The map fragments will not take up any inventory space and not even be listed in the inventory. On a character's profile page it may be possible to display their progress with the quest: (1/7 map fragments).

Obviously, having just the area of the camps mapped out will leave some large missing chunks in the torn map. There could be a hermit NPC that will complete the torn map once each fragment is obtained. The complete map can also have the feature of unlocking new territory. Talking to special elder NPCs will mark the map with locations that are viewable and enterable only by those with complete, marked maps.|
suggest_time=19:53, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Sure, this makes sense to me. Ideally, the special code (possibly including search outcomes, NPC interactions, non-item flags in character data, and so forth) would be generic enough so that it could also be borrowed to implement treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, secret locations, and other future plot-lines in Shartak. A Shartak map itself, even complete, would just show the same info that can be found via web or wiki, so it is not going to harm game balance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:27, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Monsoon===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=event|
suggest_scope=all|
suggest_description=Add seasons to shartak, matching RL events. The sea level would rise by 1 square, the river would swell by 1 square, crocodiles would become plentiful, and the pirate ship would lift off of the rocks. The ship would then randomly drift around, 1 square per day, and would still be accessible but players would have to swim out to it. Deforested squares would also recover faster. The ship wouldn't be directable because 'The sail is too tattered to use.' or something. The monsoon would also match, more or less, RL duration.|
suggest_time=17:28, 16 July 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=Aco|
suggest_comments=

*All this would be do-able without too much extra coding except for moving the pirate ship. It would however take a while to work out which bits of beach, swamp and jungle would become submerged and to do it in such a way that it's easily reversible later. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*Something that would require even less work on Simon's part, but would still convey the feel of a hurricane would be to change some descriptions temporarily. Add, "The wind howls about you and the rain drives fiercely", to all outdoor descriptions. Add "The deadly storm rages just outside. You don't know how long this little hut can survive." to indoor descriptions. He could also temporarily expand the range of "sharks" to include all outdoor locations (possibly with a lower likelihood of being bitten, as it seems more or less automatic once you swim far enough out) but change the description to "A piece of flying debris injures you." This would make being indoors scary and being outdoors potentially deadly.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I have just advocated a similar ideas for storms at the new forum. Have a mass of black cloud move onto the island. The rivers swell and move rapidly, causing death to those in the water. Lightning strikes and strong winds cause HP damage or death. [[FirstAmongstDaves]]


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===Identification of strangers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Identification of strangers|
suggest_description=As a native, I would like an "Identify an outsider" button when standing on the same square as one or more outsiders I can't recognize. (Outsiders would have the same thing for natives, naturally.) It's unrealistic that the best ways to identify people are to attack them or give them gold. It's also bothersome; gold coins are hard to find in the wilderness, and a cheapskate may attack a stranger only to regret the attack upon discovering that their target was a peaceful person. If you're the sort of player who likes to attack every stranger you meet, that's fine. However, many people do discriminate between strangers, and it shouldn't be unduly hard for them to simply figure out who someone is.

Identification would cost 1 AP. Flavor text could be something like
:You examine an outsider until you're able to tell them apart from all the others. They are {{profile|6|Leaky Bocks}}.

I estimate that this change will have the following effects:
# Identification before an attack will be easier and thus more attractive to moderately peaceful players, resulting in less "gratuitous cross-class violence" (as [[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] [[Talk:Identify_Friend_or_Foe|put it]]) at the hands of players who wish to avoid it.
# [[Identify Friend or Foe]] [[:Category:IFF supporter|supporters]] will no longer be subject to the current "peace tax".
# Non-participants in the IFF initiative will neither receive gold from curious players nor see who has identified them. However, after they are identified they may still be given gold or even spoken to (which I prefer from a roleplaying perspective) if cheaper identification makes people more willing to interact with those they identify. I know I'd rather spend 1.5 AP to identify someone and speak to them than 1 AP and a coin to merely identify them.

Since it's already possible to identify a stranger in ways that help them (by giving gold) or hurt them (by attacking), why shouldn't there be a more direct middle path?|
suggest_time=06:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

I'm looking for a flaw in the reasoning here, but I can't find one. I support this. 18:40, 31 July 2006. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* The only flaw I can see is already in the game. How do you figure out who someone is, just by giving them a gold coin or attacking them. *slash* Oh, scuse me a second while I check the back of your jacket for a name tag. Same sort of thing applies to staring at someone and figuring out what their name is. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
** "I'd like to stare at someone long enough to figure out what they look like and what they're wearing and carrying." I support this. For convenience, the game has already conflated face-recognition with user-profile. There doesn't exist an in-between level: either you know all their skills and their profile description, or you aren't able to target them at all. We could eventually migrate toward a solution (and perhaps introduce new skills and actions, such as Disguise that would conceal your skillset and kill stats). But in the meantime it would be nice to have the suggested convenience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Drowning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=Perhaps there should be some rules for drowning? Many players in Shartak (including my character, Zeff) like to camp/sleep in the water. I feel there should be a risk of drowning when a player spends a long period of time in deep water - shallow water would not apply. Perhaps something like this - If a player spends over 2 hours in the water "drowning damage" comes into effect (regardless of whether or not the player has the swimming skill) and every futher hour 10 damage is dealt to the player - either "drowning damage" or instant drowning after 3 hours - with a message "you have drowned".
Another additional possibility is have the character drift in the water - especially if they go into deep water - I like the idea of leaving a character in the water when you log out, and when you log back in they are washed up on another part of the island with most of their hit points missing. Although that might be a bit complicated to do...|
suggest_time=22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice. Drifting could be done, although it may make things complicated if you drift too quickly. I certainly don't think you'd move very far in a few hours otherwise it would be far too easy to lose sight of the giant squid you were attacking (for example). There would probably have to be some kind of data in the map that says where you drift to from that square, even if the drifting changes slightly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Sounds like a good idea. Also, driftwood could possibly be incorporated into this, perhaps giving a lower chance of drowning, lower drowning damage, or maybe making the player drift further. -[[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]
* I definetly think you should drown to death if you sleep in the water. You should only be able to drift with driftwood, since you could possibly sleep on the plank as it floats you to another place. Without the dirftwood you wouldn't drift far because you'd drown before you got to see the place you arrived at...unless instead of drowning to death you drown to 1 HP and are planted on a random beach space in Shartak. I like this idea but can't decide how I'd like to see it put in game. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Pigeon postal service===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Outsiders (I imagine a different version for Natives|
suggest_description=Right now I have encountered difficulties whenever I try to contact someone in game. There is (currently) no way right now of contacting people in game without finding them. To improve on that, I thought there should be a sort of postal service. The idea is simple. You go to a post office to do one of three things 1) buy a pigeon so you can write a letter from anywhere and send it to the post office (at a cost of 2 GC) 2) write a letter at the post office for posting (at a cost of 1 GC) 3) receive mail (at a cost of 0 GC). To prevent harassment of players you can even instruct the postal staff to burn any letters from ignoramus people (you must tell them before hand otherwise they will burn everything).

*''The postal staff has burned 3 letters from unwanted peoples since your last visit.''
*''You buy a pigeon at the cost of 2 GC. It looks anxious to be on its way home again.''
*''The post woman takes your letter and smiles knowingly.''

The idea may need some tweaking but this is just a suggestion on how to create in game messages.
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suggest_time=17:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=


Sounds like an interesting idea. The only real problem that might happen is that if you've off on long journeys, you may not have the time to stop into a town and check your mail. Perhaps the pigeons could also fly to you, where ever you may be, and give you the letter? --[[User:Che|Che]] 22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you buy local pigeons and deliver them to another town for sale at a higher price?--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 02:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Since pigeons can only return to one place I imagine that foreign post offices would pay a premium for pigeons that can go to other cities. For example, a pigeon bought at York and will return to York is only 2 GC, but a pigeon bought at York that will return to Derby will cost 10 GC or more because you can't raise pigeons to fly to Derby in York.


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===Climbable Trees and high areas===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics and Skill|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=This is more like two suggestions bundled into one, but they are closely related. I think climbable trees (areas of jungle) would be a great addition to the game. With the use of a climbing skill (perhaps easier to learn for natives) players can "climb" into the jungle canopy (for 5AP) providing the jungle is heavy (dark green and above). This would provide an excellent way to "hide" from other players and give another bonus which I will get back to. If a player chops jungle where a player is hiding above them, that player falls to the ground for a medium amount of damage. Other players would have a chance of spotting people hiding above them, each time they move to a different jungle area (50% and 100% if you use search in the area - a message "you spot *name* hiding in the canopy above you"). Also players will be able to jump from tree to tree for 2AP. Now, onto the "other bonus" mentioned earlier - this bonus also effects areas such as the mountain and the crows nest at the shipwreck giving "high areas" more of a tactical use. These areas should allow you to spot people (outsiders, pirates and natives) in the distance. When you are in one of these areas you would be able to "see" the number of people to the north, east, south and west - this will include areas such as north-east and south-west as "north" will mean a general cone shape north of the player. For example in the crows nest at the shipwreck, there will be a button "lookout" which would display the following text-
"You scan the horizons -
North - You see 1 native nearby.
East - You see 6 pirates nearby. You see 3 pirates in the distance.
South - You see 12 pirates nearby. You see 4 pirates and 2 outsiders in the distance.
West - You see 7 pirates nearby. You see 2 pirates and 4 natives in the distance."
Of course if you did this on the mountain, you wouldn't be able to see through solid rock.
The sight range would be perhaps 20 squares, anything over 10 squares is defined as distance. If this suggestion is implemented it will I feel it would add a whole new level to gameplay (literally!) as well as possibilities for watch-towers, and long-range rifle/blowpipe sniping!
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suggest_time=11:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

I had thought of climbable trees, but hadn't planned on people being able to move around whilst in the tree. The biggest problem with letting you see further is that (a) it'd require more processing to handle the extra 24+ map areas, (b) Displaying the map would be quite tricky due to the sizes of squares required to be able to hold text and icons. I had envisaged something like "You climb a tree. [down]" as the stuff on the right, no other actions except down. The left hand side would be a map area about the same size as currently, but where each block was replaced with a 3x3 area. This would give you the ability to see terrain from 7 blocks all around (15x15 grid). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't thinking of actually showing the areas you can see, I was thinking along the lines a purely text feature, that would operate in a similar way to "search". There would be a button that would "list" each direction (N,E,S,W) and the players you could see in those areas. Actually displaying more sqaures on screen sounds pretty complicated... --[[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:The problem with just text is not everyone is going to be directly north or west or south or east of you, most of the time they will be at strange angles. Simon's idea of a 15x15 grid when you climb a tree is a good one, if it is able to be done. Here's the idea I got while reading this suggestion: firstly, new item-telescope (explorers would start with one, they would be occassionally found in outsider towns. natives would have no access, like gps). Going atop a tree or crow's nest or climbing on top of ruins would give you four buttons: look north, look west, look south, look east-- but only if you have a telescope. Each would cost 5 or 10 AP (it would take a long time to throughly search with the horizon with your telescope.) You would be shown something like [http://www.itechsc.com/misc/shartak/ubermap/closeup.php?cx=-70648&cy=26343&dn=1&zn=1 this map] (but not as big), it would display the area north of your immediate area if you chose 'look north', south of yoru area if you chose 'look south, etc, and it would tell you where others are.
:- [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeff, You are on the right track with your hiding suggestion I think, but it shouldnt be atop trees. People should have an ability to hide in the jungle, and an on-ground hiding skill has been suggested before. I still think it is a good idea. Here is one version of the idea, suggested by Armadox on the forum:
<<Armadox_The_Butcher wrote: What about a skill that allows you to use your last 10 ap to hide in the foilage? It marks you off the map, like being a spirit. Spirits can still see you, and anyone searching the area can uncover you. but it'll keep your hide safer untill you log back on?>>
<<Arminius wrote: This is a good idea, but how about instead of having to search, someone who steps onto the same square automatically discovers you? But people wouldnt be able to see you from other squares like they can now. Currently if you are standing on any of the 25 squares in someone's line of sight, they can see you, but if you were to be hidden they wouldnt be able to unless they are on your square. This could serve as an ambushing skill as well as a hiding skill. By ambushing I mean hiding and then waiting till someone comes to a square near you to rest, and naturally they wouldnt know youre there, then you emerge to kill the poor sucker>>
<<Crowjane wrote: sounds generally nice, but what if everyone has it. I foresee no ambushing but endless travels without any human contact...>>
<<Tycho44 wrote: I like the idea of having an extremely expensive Hide Skill (12AP-30AP to use?) that only works to cloak you from those not in your square. By hiding, you would prevent animals and players from seeing and pursuing you unless they actually stumbled into your square (Trackers could use Tracking Skill). When the cost of hiding is high, many players will choose to step 5 or 15 spaces further back into the wilderness instead, so the game impact would be relatively mild. Also, hiding could require Jungle d5 or higher to use, just like concealed huts and trees. That would prevent ambushes from inside the town.>> ([http://shartak.forumsplace.com/message-152-15.html From here]).
 - [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. Complications aside, the original suggestion would effectively make the island larger, which would make player interaction more rare, and that's simply bad. I'd support an ''x'' AP "Lookout" ability in suitably dense jungle that would simply return flavor text revealing the location of one or more nearby players or animals. ("You climb a tree for a moment and see someone to the northeast.") But I think concealment in treetops is a bad idea, and the server load of a large map view should be avoided if a simpler "lookout" action will work about as well. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

* I like the idea of being able to hide in the folliage, it just fits naturally into this type of game. Espeacially with the tracking skills as a means of finding them by following their tracks. Very cool. The item 'telescope' would be awesome too, with the ability to look diagonal compass directions as well please. The crows nest could be a look out, along with towers being added to all the settlements (both native and outsider) to look from. I also recall a high place at a waterfall? You would only be able to see people standing in open sqaures (less than 5 folliage?) since anymore trees would create a thick canopy above them blocking your view. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 21:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Importance of the Islands of Shartak===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=The many Islands of Shartak have been the source of some of the most heated conflicts seen to date; however, such islands truly offer nothing more then a secluded patch of beach and jungle. To make these Island more desirable, I think new or stronger animals should be confined to these Islands, or possibly an implementation of the "New Strategic Location on Island" suggestion. When Darwin visited the Galapagos Islands, he noticed that the species he found evolved separately from creatures on the mainland. The same should be true with Shartak.|
suggest_time=16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]]|
suggest_comments=

Possible animals:
*Gorillas - stronger than a monkey, hit harder
*Rhinos - less HP than elephants, but more aggressive and hit harder
Or Mythical/Exotic Creatures:
*Ogopogo - like the Squid, but confined specifically to the waters around the Island; could possibly give special power/stat increase when successfully killed
*Dragon - Travels between all Islands; hits extremely hard, but flies to adjacent squares after hits; impossible to heal.
*Big foot - from adjacent squares, it is seen as "An Outsider" but once on the same square, he appears as Big Foot. Same stats as outsider, with more HP. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the islands may have a strategic piece of terrain, such as an ammo hut?[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:53, 26 November 2006 (PST)

* Gorillas and Rhinos are nice, but no wierd crazy animals please. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Message huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Communications|
suggest_scope=Players in camps|
suggest_description=For the sake of roleplaying, I'd like more communication between players to occur in a realistic fashion in-game than for it to occur outside of the game (on forums and the wiki). One way to accomodate this would be to establish message huts, run by new NPCs, in which a player (Alice, a native) can leave a message for another player (Bob, an outsider) to be read when Bob enters the hut to check his messages. A message left in Derby for Bob would only be readable by Bob, and only when Bob entered the Derby message hut to ask for his messages. If Bob had no language skills the message would appear garbled, as always.

I see two problems with this system: one is that players could spam everyone by leaving hundreds of messages in each hut, and the other is that the server could have to store hundreds of thousands of messages. The first objection could be solved by charging the sender 1 gold coin (or perhaps more) per message per hut. The second problem might be fixed if we (1) kept a sender from leaving more than 1 message in each hut; (2) held no more than 100 messages total in each hut, dropping old ones as new ones arrived; or (3) restricted message-sending to registered players. (Obviously, a message would be dropped as soon as its recipient arrived and read it.)

This change would make camps more popular, give everyone another way to spend their gold, and, most importantly, make it easier to contact people who leave no contact information in their profiles, something that can only be done now after a huge and often difficult game of hide and seek. |
suggest_time=05:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

Would be nice if the other NPC's mentioned to you that you've messages to read in the hut - "Trader Toe says, 'Have you been to the message hut lately? I hear you have a message there.'" Otherwise i doubt i'd ever check. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Clan Bonuses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description= If implemented clan founders can set one out of a list of bonuses in order to provide benefits for clan membership. I would suggest that this change be 'locked' for at least a day, to prevent abuse. The bonuses are all small buffs to various factors in order to augment the play style each clan inspires. I am making this suggestion because despite a wide variety of clans on Shartak, most players have yet to chose one and there are several clans, such as my own, that only have the founder as a member. By giving clan members a small bonus, clans should be able to facilitate recruitment. What follows are a few suggested bonuses; please feel free to suggest more or comment on those suggested:

*''Search Bonus'': 5% added to base search odds.
*''Melee Bonus'': 5% added to melee accuracy.
*''Range Bonus'': 5% added to firearms accuracy.
*''Plunder Bonus'': 10% increase to find gold coin at any location where they may appear (this should not be applied to the base search, rather it increases the probality of a successful search resulting in a gold coin).
*''Explore Bonus'': 5% chance of a character getting a 'free' movement; flavor text could read 'you find that you were able to easily move forward'; applies only to land movement.
*''Faith Bonus'': 5% evasion to spirit attacks.
*''Hunter Bonus'': +1 damage to any animal

Given these small size of the bonuses, I doubt any of these will seriously affect game balance, and the suggestion is merely one to increase clan membership. I am sure there are other reasonable bonuses out there, and I believe each of the above encourage roleplaying, be it pirates placing importance on finding gold or explorer groups getting bonuses to find goods or possibly cover even more ground with less AP.|
suggest_time=19:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]]|
suggest_comments=

The only thing I don't like is what about people who don't want to join a clan? I think How clans are right now are fine.--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 22:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am strongly against clan bonuses - the incentive to join a clan should be social (i might be for clan penalties - management takes its toll). What problem is this supposed to solve? If a clan isn't popular, there's probably a good reason (lack of leadership, lack of purpose, lack of distinction, etc) that should be addressed by the clan leadership. If it was implemented, you'd have to restrict a character from changing clans more than once every X hours/turns as well as the clan from changing its bonus/penalty. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the clan had both a bonus and a penalty - choose any one bonus and one penalty (and the penalty grows directly proportional to clan size - what can i say? i don't like management). This would help leave balance as is (for the independants) but give clans more flavour --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Excellent points, both of you! Frisco, I believe you are right that this unfairly penalizes independents, I see that as a serious fault now too. I believe the best way to balance it is to give independents a bonus or bonuses, though different than clan bonuses and thus encourage independent play. The main I one can think right now of ''caution bonus'': independents are more wary of others and thus get a 5% evasion to any player attacks. This negates any clan attack bonus against other players and would also be useful for new players who are prime targets for PKing. In regards to a clan penalty, I would best leave this up to others such as yourself as to what you think is fair. In addition, your statement about switching clans for bonuses on the fly is an abuse I did not think of; I think the best solution would be that some minimum amount in the clan is necessary for the bonus to activate, such as 24 hours. As far as proportion goes, I think that would be too complicated, as the server would have to constantly check clan size to assess the bonus/penalty amount. The purpose of this suggestion is to enliven the clan system, not to punish anyone. Basically, I am just trying to think of way to make the clan system more attractive, is in all honesty it has no effect on the actual game other then filling a field in your profile. Furthermore, out of 1113 active players, only 246 were affiliated with any clan, and this gap is even larger if you take into account inactive players (roughly 4000 at this writing). Perhaps a bonus system is ''not'' a solution, though I think their should some in-game effect, maybe inter-clan communication or something (i.e., the clan leader(s) can send out messages or something, though if Elembis's suggestion above is implemented this will be moot)? Even though I doubt this will be implemented, I want to encourage debate and see if a fair proposal arises that does not offset balance. Looking forward to hearing more on this. --[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there should be more of an incentive to join a clan - just to give clans a bit more flavour, but nothing that penalizes independant players or makes the game unfair. There is a similar clan bonus system on Nexuswar, where clans have a certain bonus depending on how powerful they are. Independents also get a bonus that depends on how long they stay alive. But to be honest, I would dislike that system if it was applied to Shartak. Perhaps something like an optional clan skill? A minor skill that actually replaces an existing skill (depending on the clans speciality -searching, attacking etc), making the clan members more specialized than independant players. Although independant players would not have access to that skill they would still have as much power as the clan members, having access to the skill that the clan members do not have. [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Additional Pirate Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Dividing the growing pirate population|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=If not the high HP and access to many riches, it is the fact that they all live close by that gives pirates an advantage over Natives and other Outsiders. I suggest we add two more pirate ships to help control the coordination imbalance. After it is implemented any pirates who dies may choose to change their home ship once. The ships will need names.|
suggest_time=11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

If you're correcting imbalances with this then dont forget to give us all a 5 damage, 60% hit weapon. A few HP difference isn't all that good. Anywhom, This seems a fair idea, but i dont like it. There's not so many pirates up at the wreck, and dividing them by three would be disaster. how about just two ships? The 'Hell Born Strumpet' (For Cap Whitney) and whatever Captain Edwards wants to call his? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

There's a lot more pirates at the wreck than there are people in most of the other towns, to be fair. --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 18:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say a lot, more like 1.4x more. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

:Ignoring inactive players - most camps have about 120ish, except the shipwreck with 290 and york with 210. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I rather like it that the ship doesn't have a name. It allows new clans to say "We're part of a different crew." After all, clans come and go. There's no reason to think the current pirate clans will last forever.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well we could name them by colour, type of ship, or description of wreck like "Grey ship", "Frigate", or "Rock wrecked ship." [[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 21:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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===Spirit Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic|
suggest_scope=Spirits|
suggest_description=Spirits under this new system would be bound to a specific distance from the spot where they died, with bonuses for actions (perhaps it'd halve the AP cost?) within that spot and possibly the four adjacent squares. (Alternatively, you could just be more noticeable in that area to mortals without Sixth Sense.) I know this could be abused, such as PKers waiting until players are far away from a shaman to kill them, but I've come up with some solutions or counterbalances. For example: being a Shartak noob, I don't know if there are roaming shamans, but if not there would be, thus giving a spirit another way to get back to the land of the living.

The next counterbalance is something I stole from the Dead Case, some ghost-related flash game thing, in which by freaking people out you gain their belief in you and can thus range farther from your grave; by going around your own territory and attacking things, you could quickly gain enough XP buy a spirit-only skill that adds half again or even doubles your current movement radius. Or there could be a new meter, some sort of power or belief level which allows you to go farther; maybe there's a skill that allows you to assimilate the essence of living beings you've screamed to death into your own, and thus travel beyond the initial limits of your "territory."

Admittedly, the whole extra incentive not to die idea would be quite confusing and probably rather tiresome for new players, so perhaps after your first death or two your spirit is resilient enough to ignore the penalty. Feel free to ridicule these random ideas.

A few more ideas to pick and choose from:
*Spirits are more powerful when working together.
**However, to reduce the Screaming Medical Hut Gang's ability to harrass the living, another idea could be taken from Dead Case: you're unable to cross the threshold of a hut until you go beyond a certain level of power, belief, spiritual influence, whatever you want to call it.
*Spirits are more powerful when in ruins, because everyone knows there are always powerful spirits haunting ruins.
*Shamans can, after collecting a number of items, putting them all together and performing some ceremony or other, Curse a person's spirit so that its territory is severely diminished when its body dies?|
suggest_time=13:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zutaka|Zutaka]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===More Clan/Crew powers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=For Clan/Crew founders and leaders to be able to kick out players they don't want.|
suggest_scope=All Clan/Crew Founders and Leaders|
suggest_description=It's quite simple If you have a disruptive player who joins your Clan or Crew to either make fun of it or badmouth or he does not fallow the clan Ideals He can be kicked out of the clan by the founders and leaders of the clan no questions asked. You would find the feature on the clan members list (Or wherever Simon wants to put it.) And click the "kick out" buttin to expel him from the clan.|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented with the December 2006 clan updates. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Looting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Gold|
suggest_description=Players can loot gold from corpses. At base rate a player will be able to loot 1/4 of the GC on a corpse, at a cost of 5 AP. Pirates get a bonus, looting 1/3 of the GC. A skill “Looting” will double this fraction (1/4 to ½ and 1/3 to 2/3).|
suggest_time=11:35, 9 November 2006|
suggest_author=Nicorus|
suggest_comments=

Sounds like [[Suggestions:Skills#Plunder]]. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 Confine it to irates as an incentive to be a different class. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Day and Night===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mecanics|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Basicaly, turn the map a darker shade every amount of time. Maybe, animals could wander into towns at night, and players could only see tat there were a number of players in a certain square, instead of seeing that there were 1 outsider and 3 natives.|
suggest_time=19:26pm/12th Nove 2006|
suggest_author=Majestic[[User:Ninja|Ninja]]|
suggest_comments=

I've a feeling that that would be a massive, massive job to format. Sounds good but I think you'd need to download a grahics package, if not, the server would just...explode! Or not...i'm no programer by any description. Perhaps if there were three shades? day, noon and night? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Guildhouses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mechanic|
suggest_scope=Clans|
suggest_description=Clans need guildhouses or headquarters, places that only members of the creating clan may enter(?). Basically, only available to clans with a relatively large amount of active members, such as 15. The way I see this (which is of course up for discussion) is so:

Two members of the clan are present. Both give 75 AP and 200 XP to create this building (think: Hut). Once created, it requires 50 AP per week to keep it up. This weekly AP can be donated by any of the members of the clan. For example, player 1 can decide he has 10 AP that he doesn't need, player 2 gives 4 AP, player 3 gives 25, and player 4 notices it's already Saturday and there's a dearth of 11 AP so he takes care of the last bit, thus keeping the hut "alive" for another week.
General benefits (once again, up for discussion) would be: Access only to members of the clan, perhaps a "medical table" where you can convert AP/XP into healing much like the scientist can do, and a "Ammo cupboard" where one can find rifle bullets or sharpening stones or whatever items Simon sees fit.|
suggest_time=21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]]|
suggest_comments=

Realistically, wouldn't the contents of this "ammo cupboard" have to be donated as well? --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:43, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:Yeah, that makes sense, but that could also be supported by the weekly AP donation. Keeping stocks up, etc. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 22:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Take a look at my 'temporary structure' suggestion in "misc."--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:These are nothing alike. Mine is a guildhouse, does not involve driftwood at all. Gathering driftwood would be a major drawback for a guildhouse in the middle of the jungle, days away from beaches. Yours is just a form of shelter in the jungle, protection from surprise attack, where my suggestion is a base for a clan, and not meant for quick protection in the jungle. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't a hut that only clan members can enter be easilly abused as an inpenetrable fortress to allow a clan to rapage uncontrolled through a town? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 11:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: Not really. Simon could tweak the AP/XP requirements so it becomes *only* shelter from heavy attack (healing, restockage, etc), and not an actual heavy-artillery resistant bunker. Perhaps something could be added that having many people around it affects the AP cost or whatever, or the more people in the clan, the more expensive it is to keep up. This should be as much a hassle as it is a help. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This gives a great advantage to team players over solo players. I'm not clear on how the upkeep would be kept fair - just create a disposable character whose sole purpose is donating AP to the guildhouse (perhaps you could trade such character use with your allies so as to not directly zerg). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:*In the real world, working together as a team does have it's benefits. And if donating 75 AP resulted in 75 IP hits, then zerging would be mitigated.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To stop people using it as a fortress, how about allowing non clan members inside, but whenever they attack, everyone in the room has a chance of hitting them with a melee weapon automaticaly? This is good for realism and stops abuse of the facility, as you can still get your ass whooped if your inside, and an agressor would be roughed up by security. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

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===Cupped Hands and Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=The thirsty bottleless|
suggest_description=You've finally slaughtered that elephant that nearly took all day to kill. Now since you have bled a lot of water out, you go to the creek for a drink. You get there and stoop down to fill your bottle, but it full of salt water! What do you do? Cup your hands and drink directly or dump the salt water out of course!|
suggest_time=09:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

This idea makes a brilliant argument. But have you tried to cup water in your hands, it runns away...so you should only get +1HP back, maybe?

}}

===Use of Ranged Weapons as Melee Weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Anyone with an ranged weapon - rifle, blowpipe or yet-to-be-added...|
suggest_description=A heavy rifle can deliver a fair bit of damage when used as a club. Large blowpipes can likewise deliver some damage when used as a club or cane. Currently however, the game does not support the use of ranged weapons in melee - this suggestion would be to simply modify the game to allow that to happen.|
suggest_time=03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

The odds of hitting should be less, and damage shouldn't be much (less than a machete/cutlass). There should also be a chance of the weapon breaking (as per existing melee weapons).

I disagree that the damage output/hit rate should be less. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to use them as melee weapons, making the point moot.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think giving somebody a whack on the head with a rifle butt would do more to kill somebody than a knife-wound, so i agree with Joe. I do think that they should be able to break, but pipes more easier than rifles. unless you had mastered melee and could put it into someone's eye. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]
::There was some talk about changing the names of some weapons, just for variety - clubs, halbards, axes, other weapons instead of just machetes and cutlasses. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Hut Renovation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New possible action|
suggest_scope=All empty huts.|
suggest_description=I'd like to suggest that players be able to modify the interior flavor text of huts. For instance, many clans occupy buildings and convert them to their own use. A button would become available saying something like "renovate hut." This would allow a player to type in their own flavor text for the hut. To discourage people from vandalizing the huts, the AP cost should be very high. Say, 50 to 75 AP. After all, it takes a lot of effort to clean out a house, even if it is a one room hut. This would allow Czech1, for instance, to customize his tavern to actually LOOK like a tavern. Traders' huts and supply huts could not be modified, naturally.|
suggest_time=14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Another option might be that somehow a hut is tagged as being owned by someone and only they can modify the description. There would have to be some way to lay claim to a hut and some way to prevent it being taken over. Perhaps you have to 'reclaim' the hut once every X days (say 8 for those who only get to play once a week) otherwise it becomes open to all to claim? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. How does one get claim over the hut? Do clans of some sort get first picks over a 'first come' basis, or perhaps an NPC landlord demands payment and shows up at your hut to collect it? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

I like the idea, I especially like me being mentioned lol.. I think that in some cases one can just pick a hut and make it theirs (I've used the same hut for months, and all I did was walk inside one day and make it a tavern, it was empty.) Maybe like, the hut has to be empty for you to lay claim to it? I dunno. --[[User:CzEcH|czech1]]

}}

===Major game change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Combat|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Let's break this down, in order of importance. It's a series of suggestions for more 'realistic' gameplay. Please comment on it even if you hate it.

A)I think that real-time attacking of the NPCs is a brilliant idea. However, it's very frustrating being killed in your sleep, as much as not rewarding killing others in their sleep is. Thus, is it possible to code an 'auto-behaviour' when away so that if someone attacks you, you fight back? That would make combat memorable.

B)Nerf HP to 10 or 20 so that it's more deadly (and realistic), or bump up weapon damage, A LOT. That would make for more 'deadly' encounters. Bumping up weapon damage would also make sure weapon attacks can be differentiated more easily, while right now all attacks do 1 to 4 damage. It would also make the whole 'average dmg per AP' pointless since this ain't a math problem, it's a game. To make sure however that you won't kill 40 people in a single turn, bump the AP cost of an attack to either 5 or an amount depending on the weapon, e.g. a knife would have 3 AP but a halberd 7 etc.

C)Is there a chance combat is instead a 'contested' roll? E.g. Instead of rolling to hit, if someone attacks another in melee, both roll and highest (with mods) is the one who gets to strike and damage. If not, perhaps it'd be great if there was a 'defense' skill too, like every time you're attacked and it doesn't miss, there's an X% that the attack is voided.

D)Speed of a weapon- how often it can attack. Weapons with higher reach like spears should get accuracy bonuses, but those with higher speed should attack more often. That'd probably be caused by a varied amount of AP per 'attack' or 'round' of combat, like I said, 2 AP for a punch, 3 for a knife, 4 for a machete, 5 for a sword, 6 for a spear, 7 for a halberd etc.

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suggest_time=12:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]]|
suggest_comments=

Some comments (edited/expanded) originally posted on the forum topic: 
(B) I personally wouldn't enjoy much more deadly encounters - swimming with the sharks is dangerous enough, let alone if my characters only had 10/20 hitpoints. Player characters should be special too - not cannon fodder for anyone just walking around killing everything they see. 
(C) It might be a nice tweak if some NPCs were more difficult to fight - perhaps a 'defense' attribute/skill, which is subtracted from the attack percentage? But keep it small values (10-20%) so that you don't get any situations where a low level character can't touch a high level character? Opposed rolls is more complexity - keeping the dynamic simpler would seem to be a good idea, no? 
(D) This is a real time game. It doesn't have 'rounds'. That paradigm doesn't work on the Island. The shartak weapon/combat system is reasonably simple currently - does this really add any value, or just make the game more complex? 
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, everything Johan said. Plus, Shartak has developed in such a way that it is a game of exploration, not a combat oriented first person shooter. Making it deadlier does not make it more realistic, it just makes it more like Doom. If you want realism, how about an NPC police force that gathers evidence on random murders, hunts down the murderer, arrests them and either jails them or executes them? That's what happens in the real world. lol --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Johan's (C) - the defense attribute - is actually already implemented for NPCs and has been for a long time. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible to extend it to PCs as some kind of defense skill or armour-like item. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why not both skills and armour-like items? Skills could perhaps require 'Close quarter combat' as a pre-requisite, 'Close quarter defense' - giving a defense attribute of 10%, and 'Advanced Close quarter defense' adding +10% on top of that? Items could be 'shield' and 'helmet' giving a +10% - and if there was a way for an item to degrade overtime, then newbie outsiders/pirates could perhaps start with an item that gives a +20% as additional newbie protection? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
}}

=== Huts: Body Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New action|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Allow Shartak characters to dump dead bodies outside of huts through a new action button that appears when they're inside a hut and there's a body there. 1 body per 1 AP spent.|
suggest_time=02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

What's the point of this? They're not like in Urbandead when the dead come back to life and eat people. -[[User:Kutless55|Kutless55]] 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:It just strikes me as unrealistic that folk are going to keep dead bodies lying around in huts. Moving the body outside doesn't have much if any game impact beyond allowing folk to clear the huts of bodies.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

::It would be kind of cool to kill someone and dump their body in th river. but what about dumping them in holes and burying them? How would that work? - First Amongst Daves

You carry the body to the river, like an inventory item? Or to the hole. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Villagers as NPCs===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New NPC - Villager|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=This might require extreme coding, but will add to an already fantastic game. Essentially, villagers are NPCs. They are localised to squares entirely surrounded by cleared jungle. There could be ten villagers per square (turning off "see villagers" could be in the preferences to restrict annoyance). A camp needs 50 villagers to maintain an ammo hut, medical hut, shaman, and trader. For every 50 villagers after that, search odds in the huts are improved by 10%. Villagers could be attacked by enemies of the camp, but would have the same stats as elephants (high HP, good defence rate - reflecting reality). This would allow five developments which, in my very humble newbie opinion, might aid the game.

1) Players could all be soldiers/pirates/warriors/scouts/scientists, etc., i.e. playing the hero, without having to play as boring old villagers.

2) Attacks on camps would be meaningful, as lowering the number of villagers will hurt, or even wipe out opposition camps.

3) The Shipwreck would have no villagers, giving the pirates more distinction from outsiders.

4) Maxed-out players might find it more interesting.

5) Players could create new camps (perhaps only maxed-out players could have this new skill, "Colonise").

There could be distinctions between native and outsider villagers, etc. It might be very complicated to spawn new villagers once more squares are cleared as well. Anyway, it's a suggestion, what do you think?|
suggest_time=14:08, 14 March 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this idea a lot. What would be the mechanism for regeneration of villagers? If some version of this is introduced, the old discussion of Defense comes up. There is absolutely 0 means to defend an area in the game right now, thus no way to protect your village(/viallagers) from being killed. I think that some means of defense is a 'must' if this is done. And a combination of this and defense would be a major boost for the game. There are several player-based inherent problems that come up, for example an Armadox or a Keichi or a Long Fin Killie, who freely and prolifically kill their own people, and cant be kicked out of town because the local shaman revives them cheap, might take to slaughtering their own civilians. Then of course there would be people creating alternate accounts specifically to attack these villagers of other towns, e.g. a pirate creating 2 or 3 dalpok natives whose sole goal is using every one of their AP attacking dalpok npc-villagers. (Perhaps local PKers and alt-abusers could be discouraged by having a light curse imposed on any character every time they kill one of their own villagers, 'the spirits are very displeased that you killed one of your own people'). Some means of actually being able to actually damage or even occupy(!) a settlement is thinking down the right path for sure. As of now we have no way of doing so, and this limits the game. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC

Hmmm, not bad. But attacking npcs to hurt a town would make it like a Halo Oddball game. Perhaps you'd get cursed even if you just TRY to attack (ie. miss) a friendly npc villager. But healing them won't curse you. They'd die just like everyone else too!
They could respawn just like every other npc. But make them have professions. Like blacksmith, farmer, woodcutter, sculptor, etc. They could also wander around town, you know, like real village people.
On the screen you can see them as an outsider and if you hover your mouse over them, they show the blacksmith or such. Like.. 10 villagers per camp. The shipwreck should have crewmen, the cook and the cabin boy! -[[User:Elegost55|Elegost55]] 08:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

These are good points alright. I would imagine that defence should be down to the players - although I like the idea of a "wall" square, similar to heavy jungle. Attackers would have a 20% chance of chopping it, and have to chop it twice to get through. Once inside the camp, if villagers are ten to a square, and have the stats of elephants, the attacker will have to be quite brave to go it alone. Large-scale attacks (as in real life) will be the only way to go, and given the nature of the game, and of th'innernet itself, defenders will have some warning of large-scale attacks and can work out a defence plan.

In relation to attacking your own villagers, this should result in them attacking you - a 2HP fine per AP-used until you leave the camp - and you would never be allowed back again. This exile-type character would appeal to some.

I like the idea of real jobs, it would add colour to the game. I'd leave this up to Simon, though - if he does go to all the trouble of coding this, he should have the fun of making up villager roles (i.e. "In this square are two Farmhands, a Town Drunk, a Blacksmith, and a Lady of Negotiable Virtue"). -[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]


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===Vow of Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=PKing opt out improvement|
suggest_scope=Any characters where the player decides to opt their character out of pking|
suggest_description=A vow of peace could be sought from any of the NPC Shamans. Such a vow has the following effects:
 
(i) The character who has taken the vow cannot be attacked by another character. Any attempt to attack results in no AP consumption, and the message "such-and-such has taken a vow of peace - the spirits of the land prevent you from attacking them". 
(ii) The character who has taken the vow cannot attack another character, without confirming the attack. Confirming the attack results in immediate damage to the effect of half the character's hp - "As punishment for breaking your vow, you are wracked with pain as wounds appear on your body". 
Taking a vow of peace would require that the character sacrifice one of: 
500 AP (as they meditate at the feet of the shaman, they can't play the character for nearly a week); OR 
1000 GP (only 18 characters currently have that much); OR 
2000 XP (only high level characters who've maxed out).
 
I realise that there are those who find the pk'ing element exciting or vital to their game - please realise (and perhaps respect) that there are those of us who have tired of it, don't find it exciting and not vital to OUR game. There's lots said about how Shartak is the game that you make it - it's hard to do that if you're constantly being involved in someone else's game.|
suggest_time=05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this, this isn't just somebody's way of getting out of an annoying game feature, this is kind of like a way of life. You'd have to bend your character around the vow, rahter than just buying it and laughing. I'm not going to take it, but I can see why people would like to, and I support that --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 06:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. I would make a few minor alterations to this suggestion though. Instead of attack attempts resulting in no AP consumption, perhaps they should use the normal amount of AP but the spirits of the land prevent the blow from reaching its target. Not sure about the AP cost to get it enabled - perhaps 5 days worth instead of 7? Also, if you break the vow and are wounded, maybe you should start bleeding from those wounds in a similar manner to being bitten by a shark. Any more comments? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like this, definitely needs some work though.
Perhaps rather than taking 5/7 days worth of ap, it halves peoples AP for a week? I see people taking a vow of peace and never coming back to the game, due to getting bored waiting.
I'm not sure about the bleeding, maybe something more, ''spirity'' but with a similar effect? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 21:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Policy Discussion===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!


}}

===Snakes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Event|
suggest_scope=Grasslands|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when searching grasslands, there is a slight chance to find a poison snake, which will then bite you. I propose a small change. In additon to biting for 3 damage, make it so the poison effects the player for the next three actions, similar to a poison dart. |
suggest_time=02:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=
Shouldn't detract from the game, adds a little more realism at no cost apart from discouraging some people from searching grasslands. Sounds good to me. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Snakes would also explain where the natives derive toxin for their darts. - First Amongst Daves

}}

===Gun Smiths===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses guns|
suggest_description=Back in the 1700's rich aristocrats would have custom firearms made for them. What I am proposing is that the outsider settlements be given a gunsmith. For a substantial fee these gun smiths could make improvements on your guns. These changes wouldn't be instant so you would have to come back later. Some of these improvements could be increased ammo capacity, more barrels on the gun, make it cause more damage etc. To keep it balanced the better the improvement the more it would cost and the longer it would take to do.|
suggest_time= 19:25, 12 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Only if guns are made breakable and the natives get a blowpipesmith. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Breakable (misfire/blowing up in hands/etc) guns are partially implemented - I have a few bits to finish off first though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
see my suggestion native temples [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Additional Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Pirates/Outsiders|
suggest_description=
As discussed here - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,364.15.html - Why not have a fleet of ships sitting offshore from the wreck, anchored and not moving? Say, five of them, each with masts, holds and the other features which we see on the shipwreck. Only accessible from the ocean by climbing the chain from the anchor to the deck.

A few benefits:

1. it explains the proliferation of pirates on the island. No one expects such a huge number of pirates from one vessel.

2. it gives pirates and people tempting the dangers of the shipwreck something new to explore, and potential turf wars between pirates. Some of the wrecks could have particular dangers or advantages - for example, a hold in one ship could have an abundance of gems, and another be filled with rats. While I'm suggesting five ships offshore from the shipwreck, it could just as easily be three, or it could be ten. The idea is to have several in any event. It would get the pirates engaged in intrigue against each other over turf, and make the area more attractive to other players.

3. it takes the place of the numerous huts you see in villages, which the shipwreck lacks.

Incidental to this suggestion is to have other ships sitting offshore from the outsider villages - there is a natural inlet north-west of York which I figured would be a suitable harbour. Other non-pirate ships at other strategic places, like the abandoned ruins are, but specifically offshore the settlements to explain how the settlers got there. This idea includes a ship on a river, to make the rivers even more interesting, and a ship beneath the eastern marsh, to attract players out there. All of those ships could be taken by any group determined enough to do so - pirates, natives, outsiders - maybe with roaming shamans nearby to assist.

This suggestion does not require any new coding innovation - you would simply replicate the coding for the shipwreck, but at other locales.

So, in summary with some suggestions on locations for other ships:

1. one ship in Unity Bay near the island

2. one ship in the Long Fin River delta given the number of players in the locality

in addition to:

3. the eastern swamp, to encourage travel to that region

4. the harbour north of York, giventhe large numbers of people in York and the amount of traffic that route gets

and of course:

5. the flotilla at the wreck, of 3+ ships

6. a ship in the water at each settlement.

Finally, the shipwreck only has one mast. While it may be that other mast were destroyed in the wreck, a one masted sloops is an unlikely choice of pirate ship. Corvettes and frigates had three masts. I am guessing it would be possible to easily create three masted ships.|
suggest_time=15 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

* Does it only have one mast or is it just one mast that you can climb? It wouldn't be easy to create one with 3 masts that you can climb unless it occupied 3 separate map blocks and that would make for a very large ship. Moving the ships around would be quite complicated indeed and would be prone to people disappearing into non-existent map areas or being left stranded at the top of the mast with no way to get down. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not moving the ships then? And if the original shipwreck is actualy a one mast sloop, then why couldn't the frigates/corvettes take up three squares? it makes more sense than having a sloop the size of a frigate. This is all ofcourse, based on the size of the shipwreck...just ignore me and carry on...--[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 19:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:Assuming GPS co-ords are correct, isn't 1 block about 100m ? Were ships 300m long? We're talking roughly 900ft... seems awfully big. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Simon, yes, I figured the mechanics of moving ships would be too difficult. The suggestion is that the ships are static, effectively "landmarks' at sea for people to climb over. They would not move, but be anchored at sea and approachable only from the sea. As for the masts, wouldn't the easiest thing simply be to have three options in one square, like you have with the shipwreck (the hold, the armoury, the galley)? "Climb main mast", "climb aft mast" and "Climb mizzen mast" would be options for players, all on the one square. - Dave
:::If they were fake masts then yes, that could be done. The current ship has a real mast where when you go up, you actually go up to a level above everything else. Shartak has a 4D map (x,y,z,inside), unlike UD that has a psuedo-3D (x,y,in_or_out) - it's hard to explain, but going up from one block to 3 different blocks just won't work. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Simon, how does Shartak handle multiple huts in the same square? If the masts were treated as 'huts' instead of up/down movement, perhaps that might work? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, exactly the same sort of thing. - Dave
::::::Huts are treated as inside, because that's what they are. The difference between up/down and inside is that there can be multiple levels of inside but only 1 up/down. Hard to explain really without lots of complicated diagrams, but it allows all kinds of interesting tricks with the map such as tunnels that can cross over even at the same depth without actually becoming a crossroads. It does make generating the map somewhat awkward at times though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since Masts don't essentially take you anywhere - and assuming the rigging is such that it's impossible to venture from one mast to another - for this suggestion at least, treating Masts as Huts would seem to work as a solution? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Native Temples===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Natives|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to try to balance out the gun smith suggestion but I think it should be a separate suggestion. A blowpipesmith wouldn't make sense but a martial arts temple would. Each native village would have a temple and each would teach a unique fighting style and sell unique sets of weapons. A lot of native tribes back then had really awesome fighting styles. Even if you don't like the gun smith idea I think this would help balance things for the natives.|
suggest_time=13 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Fair enough, not a bad idea. But if you want that, and gunsmiths, then its unbalanced for pirates. http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Items#Flintlock_Pistols my Golden oldie of a suggestion balances this. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good I can't wait to get a pistol.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

The suggestion is very old now, i made it when i first came onto the game. Its unlikely that Simon will implement it now, sadly. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, November -> March was a pretty busy time. As Kenny said, I might just be waiting for the right time (got to keep the balance between native/outsider after all). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

He may still put pistols in the game, he might just be waiting for the right time to do it.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Trader Shipments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=My suggestion is that once a week or month traders get re-supplied from the mainland. With this previously rare items like shovels will be temporarily cheaper.|
suggest_time=11:07 April 16|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

This is good, but only if some settlements get shipments of an item and others don't. Economies are built on scarcity. Think about the price of rifles in most Outsider settlements. They are non-consumables, never need to be replaced once a player has enough rifles, so they have virtually no value at the trader's hut. The consumables, which must be constantly replenished (eg: first aid kits), are the more valuable commodities. Dumping a large shipment of any one item would cause the trade value of that item to plummet, thereby nerfing those players who scavenge and sell as their main occupation in the game. On the other hand, if the shipments arrive unevenly (eg: first aid kits to Derby and shovels to Durham) then scavengers would have a reason to travel. --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 11:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:At the risk of giving away too much info, shovels are not something that can be found. I believe the traders trade items for the raw materials and sit in their huts making the shovels themselves. After all, it's not like they're busy all the time. It keeps the prices up as they can only make one or two a day. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Class change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill fettling|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently people are stuck in whatever class they've chosen, often leaving them unable to get skills they would find useful for whatever they're ''actually'' doing.

So i'm suggesting a possible way to help these people, by offering a class change option which could be implemented by having it as an option that'd cost however much your next skill would cost, may also work as a temporary (single use) skill that allows a class change. possibly just giving you back the XP/levels you spent on any class-specific skills and dropping your level to match.|
suggest_time=08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Htkl|Htkl]]|
suggest_comments=

Any penalty for changing classes should be fairly hefty IMO. I think today I'll be a shaman, exorcise those spirits, ok now I want to be a villager to get the better scavenging search rates, and then having found all the herbs I need, I'll switch to a warrior and go take out some animals. Unless I've misunderstood the suggestion, giving back the XP for class specific skills could lead to this kind of thing. You should lose the XP for class specific skills - now that would be a sufficient deterrent to frivolous class switching. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think 100 XP is a reasonable return, I'm even tempted to suggest it as a standard game mechanic. --[[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Extra Revive Option===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=people who die|
suggest_description=I propose that we add an option to contact a shaman at a village other than the one you start at for 50 AP. You would be able to pick which village you respawn at.|
suggest_time=May 16 13:23|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

I think that if you should die in a foreign village, you should also be able respawn there or at your home shaman if you choose. Spawning anywhere sounds too much like teleportation. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 17:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Originally you could respawn at the nearest shaman if you were stood on the same square. This led to some rather tedious XP farming with two opposing sides sat on the shaman square in Dalpok and as soon as you died, you were revived and got killed again. Let's please try not to go there again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah I see, I've never actually died so I'm a little newbish in the death department. Maybe if it was possible to tell how far away the closest roaming shaman was, determined by squares from where you died. Or if thats too precise perhaps work it like your home beacon: Roaming Shaman 50AP (Very far east) --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 01:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Ok, I logged into my idle test pirate. 'es dead.
:What if outsiders could be revived in another outsider town if they are in it and natives could be revived in another native town if they are in it. Pirates would remain the same. [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Well===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New inanimate object|
suggest_scope=Everyone in a village|
suggest_description=Being a friendly fellow, I like to use my healing herbs on others and drink water for healing myself. The problem is, I have to treck a long distance to find any form of fresh water. What I propose is that in the center of every village there be a well. The well would be equipped with a bucket that would be used to bring water up from the well. For 1 AP, you can bring up the bucket that will be full of fresh water. Clicking on an empty gourd or bottle in your inventory would fill it with water, costing 1 AP each. After taking 10 scoops of water, it would need to be refilled for 2 AP (1 to drop the bucket, 1 to bring it back up). If you happen to attempt to get water from an empty bucket (0AP) a message would appear "The bucket is empty. Perhaps you should fill it back up with water."

The well would have an ingame graphic and would have a description of whether the bucket is down or up - "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is raised to the top." / "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is somewhere down below."
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suggest_time=17:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]]|
suggest_comments=


Hmmmm...awesome! I'm sure some clever person will think of a reason why this shouldn't be thought about, but right now, I think this is pretty good. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I like drinking water! -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 13:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Another endorsement of this suggestion - more ways to get fresh water (healing) sounds like a good improvement - and given the distance from some native settlements to bodies of fresh water, this would help explain where the traders get all their bottled water from. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Waves to erase Beach Writing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game tweak|
suggest_scope=Writing on the Beach.|
suggest_description=From time to time wave activity on the beaches should have a random chance to corrupt, partially erase or fully erase the writing in the sand.

'Shark free swim zone' could for example be corrupted to 'Fark free ... zone' or partially erased to 'Shark ... swim ...'.|
suggest_time=03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this one very much. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pollution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environmental effect|
suggest_scope=Litterbugs, people near them|
suggest_description=Whether you believe the spirits are punishing you for waste or the rats just like to lick the empty bottles, dropping tons of items has to have an effect. Items dropped are tallied daily and used to update the environmental status of the area like jungle growth. More polluted areas are more likely to turn up items in a search but are less likely to be useful. If an area is polluted enough there is a chance that increases with pollution that one could be damaged by walking through, searching, or staying for a prolonged time. Pollution can be cleaned up with a shovel.|
suggest_time=08:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Idle Characters===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Idle character event|
suggest_scope=Any non donor characters who have been idle for 8 weeks or greater.|
suggest_description=Per Simon's input to a discussion on the forum - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,502.msg15514.html#msg15514:

<blockquote>"The inactivity timeline would be something like:
 
Idle 1 week - you "disappear" from the map (taken steps to hide yourself from people and animals).
 
1-2 weeks - an email would be sent out informing you that your character has hidden and is safe from attack. This is sometimes enough to prompt people to return to Shartak, although I've not sent any out for a while.
 
8 weeks - your body is discovered and you're automatically dead because you starved to death or something. The discovery of your body causes you to be dragged back to your home town and dumped in the graveyard (now visible on the map as a decomposing corpse).
 
After 8 weeks of being inactive, your body is then vulnerable to grave robbers (search corpse button appears when in that square) and you may find that you return after a long break to find you have nothing in your inventory, but at least you're at home.
 
Perhaps we could even have it so that instead of being dragged back to your home town, your decomposing body is just left wherever you were. Once your inventory is empty and someone searches your corpse, you'd enter a final state where you don't appear on the map again (body disintegrates completely)."</blockquote>

This suggestion got several positive comments from forum members.
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suggest_time=11:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Discussion with Entropy resulted in a slight modification - leave player with one weapon (either a machete or cutlass) - assuming they had one to start with. That way they're not completely stuck if they contact roaming shaman and end up in the middle of d10 jungle miles from anywhere. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
: I much prefer the idea the latter idea that your body would be found where or near where you were last active. I say 'near where' since it seems more realistic to find bodies of those who drowned in deep water on the beaches of Shartak or the smaller Islands. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


}}

===Terrain Without Trekking Changes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement.|
suggest_scope=Newbies/players without Trekking.|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when a player doesn't have Trekking, while jungle density 0 squares are .5 AP per, other types of terrain which should also be .5 AP per square are, instead, 1 AP per. These include settlements at density 0 (despite that the jungle is .5 AP, movement inside settlements is 1 AP), Grasslands, and Beaches. I propose these be changed. |
suggest_time=02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=

To me density 0 jungle is dirt with maybe some short grass - solid ground with obvious paths and easy to walk through. Grasslands is more like grassland savannahs with grass high enough to hide a tiger in, and high grass is a bit tough to walk through and find a path in. Walking through beaches can be tough too - sand isn't very solid and continually gives. Don't know about the town, makes more sense to walk faster through there, unless there are a lot of imaginary people or trash in the streets.
* Well said mystery commenter. The only one that might be sensible to change is the town - I probably missed something in the code. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Outposts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement!!! =p|
suggest_scope=Clans and overpopulation|
suggest_description=Outpost: A location that acts as a base of operations for a clan and containing a “home shaman” for that clan.|
suggest_time=01:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Pardus|Pardus]]|
suggest_comments=

Things that I’m leaving completely open for debate: Almost everything, including how they are gained and lost, what other things they’ll contain (if any), well basically everything, more interested in getting the basic idea on the table. [[User:Pardus|Pardus]]

I think a Shaman is a bit much, but I dont see why the odd hut in the middle of nowhere cant have some kind of basic trader or searching hut. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 20:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

* maybe player shaman revives, hmmm? --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Monuments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Descriptions|
suggest_description=Monuments would be the same as signposts, but they would be harder to make, to destroy and instead of driftwood they would be made with sharpening stones. 
These player made creations are meant to record certain important events for a long time, and even though signposts can be used to do this, they are usually destroyed fairly qickly because of their weakness. 
It would take about 20 sharpening stones as well as 50 AP to create a monument and 50 hits would be needed to destroy one. 
This should make sure that people don't "monument spam" determined areas and at the same time it would discourage vandals to eliminate parts of history. 
Once created, monuments would display the text "There is a stone monument here. It reads" followed by the creator's message. 
Unless it is difficult or impossible to program, it could be possible to place both a signpost and a monument on the same square. 

Original discussion can be found here: [http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,633.0.html] 

The entire suggestion is not mine, though, it is based on the ideas of G3N, Tomn, Cthulhu, Black Joe and others who posted in the thread mentioned above.|
suggest_time=16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Can't have sign and monument on the same block (or monument and hut/tree/etc). I don't see sharpening stones being all that useful for building monuments either - I'm thinking they're about 2 inches wide, perhaps an inch thick, and maybe 4-6 inches long. What you'd be wanting is a pickaxe and be able to "harvest" large rocks from the mountain sides or tunnels. These rocks would take 2 inventory spaces and every 4 rocks carried would impose an extra 1AP movement cost.. etc etc oh dear, it's all getting a bit complicated now! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

: A pickaxe would be nice, but complicated, indeed.
:However, large rocks could be found on jungle squares, just like driftwood can be found on the beach.
:Instead 20 sharpening stones and 50 AP it would take 10 large stones and 10 AP to build a monument (finding the stones will be hard enough by itself).
:I think that another way to simulate its weight would be having it take up 5 inventory spaces. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

To make it simpler, you could make rocks take up more space in the inventory, instead of imposing an additional movement penalty Simon. Rocks could take up 5 inventory spaces instead of the 2 you first proposed, making it difficult for a player to carry more than what is necessary to make a monument. I don't have a single character that has more than 20 spaces available, but that's me. One more thing, I think attacking a monument is possible with swords and machetes, but should increase the chances of breakage by a huge amount. Best way to destroy a monument should be with a pickaxe or a rifle. --[[User:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]]

}}

===Poll===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Active terrain|
suggest_scope=Citizens|
suggest_description=At the centre of each camp, village, and on the deck of the shipwreck is a polling station that could either activate at a set interval or as a request to Simon. The presence of an active polling station for your settlement adds the Vote action with a field to add the name of the canidate you are voting for. At the end of the election the winner is anounced and the polling station changes into a sign indicating the current governor, chief, or captain.|
suggest_time=22:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

That's not a bad idea...as long as everyone still votes me in as police captain... but at the shipwreck, what would you have there? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

}}

=== Oyster Bed ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=Certain [[Water]] and [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would become oyster beds. Oyster beds would not be visible from the surface but would be reported to anyone who dives at their location...
:''Peering through the murky waters you see oysters scattered across the river/lake/sea bed.''
Oyster beds would have a yield and replenish rate for searches similar to the yield rate for fruit-bearing trees and bushes. Diving and successfully searching would yield [[Suggestions:Items#Oysters|oysters]].

Suggested locations for beds of edible oysters would be one or more of the mouth of the northern [[Water#River|River]], the [[Water#Pool|Pool]] that feeds that river, the great [[Water#Lake|Lake]] between [[Wiksik]] and [[Raktam]] and the shallow water N of [[Unity Island]].

Suggested locations for combined beds of edible and pearl-bearing oysters would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

=== Sunken Wreck ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=One or perhaps two [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] locations would feature a sunken wreck on the seabed. The sunken shipwreck would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be a large dark shape beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching a sunken wreck could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a cutlass, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of rum or beer, a FAK, a silver skull cross, a rifle, a box of bullets etc.

Suggested locations for a sunken wreck would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island, the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the W tip of the Durham Peninsula and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] S / SE of [[Unity Island]].
|
suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

=== Submerged Ruins ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic and new location|
suggest_scope=Water locations|
suggest_description=A specific [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] location would feature a submerged ruin on the seabed. The submerged ruin would only be visible from the surface at the specific location...
:''There appears to be regular rectangular shapes on the seabed beneath you with something glinting nearby.''
Diving to and successfully searching the ruin could yield 1 to 10 gold coins, a machete, a spear, a dagger, a knife, a bottle of beer, a healing herb, a rabbit foot charm, a blowpipe, a bundle of darts etc.

Suggested locations for a submerged ruin would be the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] in the NE of the island and the [[Water (deep)#Water_.28deep.29|Deep Water]] off the SE / S of [[Unity Island]].
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suggest_time=13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Skull Face|Skull Face]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

===Pirate Talk!===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=wierd pirates only thing|
suggest_scope=pirates|
suggest_description=
I saw the filter for today's event! Int. TLAP day. And it hit me, why not make a filter for pirates to talk that way? It could be an optional thing, one could turn it on or off using the edit profile page.
If its turned on, the said pirate would talk like a pirate till he turns it off.|
suggest_time=04:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elegost|Elegost]]|
suggest_comments=

As an optional filter for pirates, this sounds great. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 05:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Darn, you beat me to it! I was going to suggest the exact same thing. And I was on the way to do that before I saw this. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 18:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Excellent idea. I'm getting a bit tired of always translating my own text to pirate talk all the time. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 18:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

}}

Battle of Pirates Graveyard

2007-09-13T11:44:00Z

0000FF Beard:

'''The Battle of the Pirates Graveyard''' occurred at GMT midnight on 26 August '07 within a large region of cleared jungle 25-35 paces directly west of the town of [[Raktam]]. The battle was the culmination of a series of sorties by the [[Brotherhood of the Coast]] upon Raktam throughout the month of August.

==List of Pirate Combatants==

The Brotherhood of the Coast contingent was lead by [[Rozen]]'s deputy, [[Bootstrap Bill]], togther with rogue Raktami, [[a rat]]. Other participants included [[Tristam Tanhide]], [[Atriedes 88]], [[Zamiel]], and [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]].

==List of Raktami Combatants and their allies==

On the native side, the Host of the Queen of Greater Raktam, [[Blue Hummingbird]], consisted of [[Merc93]], [[Taika]], [[dchan]], [[Warrior6789]], and [[Dappled Shadow]] was augmented by reinforcements from the [[Wicksick]], consisting of [[Lama]], [[Jesus]], and [[Foo Fighter]], together with [[Azuma]] and [[Skull Face]] of the Dalpoki, and outlaw Raktami and leader of the [[Scavangers]], [[Armadox the Butcher]].

==Other players==

[[Atok]] the roaming shaman was to the east of the battlefield. A [[York]] member of the [[Royal Expedition]] on the southern border of the battlefield, apparently there as an observer, was warned to depart on the morning of the battle and promptly withdrew.

With his departure, Raktami forces and their allies outnumbered the pirate contingent by 13 to 5.

==Transcript of the Battle==

A transcript of the battle, excluding all pirate kills, follows:

Atreides 88 says “Argh! This won't end well!” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Blue Hummingbird says “How are we going for time now?” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Atreides 88 says “It be showtime!” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Foo Fighter says “One minute left....I hope you outsiders have a secret killer squad at the roaming shaman....” (2007-08-26 00:00)

azuma says “I am proud to stand and fight against the devils with each and every one of you. Good luck all.” (2007-08-26 00:00)

Blue Hummingbird says “Zamiel has wondered off. Bit short on pirates!” (2007-08-26 00:00)

Lama says “don't kill teh journalist, please ”

Blue Hummingbird says “FOR RAKTAM! INVADERS BURN IN THE LOWEST PURPLE HELL OF SOME MISBEGOTTEN....hm, drawn a blank.” (2007-08-26 00:01)

azuma kills TanhideTristram. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Armadox kills TanhideTristram. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Lama say “please don't kill 1262 this evening ”

Jesus returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

azuma says “Good on ya, Lama. Thanks.” (2007-08-26 00:02)

Blue Hummingbird starts acting very strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Blue Hummingbird returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Dappled Shadow says “Ah well, it was great fun, if it wasn't for whoever it was who attacked me beforehand.” (2007-08-26 00:02)

Dappled Shadow starts acting very strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

azuma kills 0000FF Beard. (2007-08-26 00:03)

Dappled Shadow says “Hey lama don't exorcise me!!!” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Skull Face kills Meirleach. (2007-08-26 00:03)

Blue Hummingbird says “Um, is Merleach the journo?” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Foo Fighter says “Victory! We took heads and all! WICKSICK!” (2007-08-26 00:03)

azuma says “Nice work all” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Blue Hummingbird says “That was quick. The game told me azuma and Armadox kill the same guy.” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Skull Face says “Where is 'A Rat'? He was supoosed to be here?” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Lama says “got nice log ”

Foo Fighter says “Hmmm...maybe we should kill Armadox now just to make sure?” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Blue Hummingbird says “A rat is in the med hut. We can get him too.” (2007-08-26 00:05)

Foo Fighter says “Atok it is! Where is he?” (2007-08-26 00:05)

azuma says “I tagged a couple of them, Tanny and Beardy. Great fun.” (2007-08-26 00:05)

Lama attacks Armadox for 5 damage. They die.

Foo Fighter says “Hey Armadox, you alright? You really look sick....” (2007-08-26 00:06)

Skull Face says “I sat and watched the numbers go down. I have used the outsider magic called 'screenshot'...” (2007-08-26 00:06)

Lama says “Sorry, couldn't resist ”

Foo Fighter says “I don't find that shaman...” (2007-08-26 00:07)

Blue Hummingbird says “Taika and I nailed A rat out to the east. where is Atok?” (2007-08-26 00:08)

Foo Fighter says “I had a look around, didn't see the bugger” (2007-08-26 00:08)

azuma says “Didn't see anyone either.” (2007-08-26 00:08)

Taiaka says “I killed a rat, with the help of the Queen.” (2007-08-26 00:09)

Lama holds a seance and senses the presence of Armadox and 3 outsider spirits.

==Outcome of the Battle of the Pirates Graveyard==

The result was the destruction of the pirate force, with no losses to the native alliance other than the death of Armadox at the hands of the Wicksick.

Azuma was later quoted as follows: "''I was surrounded by heroes and we were all hitting everything that moved in a puffy shirt. What a line-up of natives; it was like a who's who of all time great cannibals. Truly spectacular. I may have gotten lucky and had my name accredited to two kills but I didn't do all of the damage myself. Let's be honest about it. We collectively (and quite efficiently) waged a war of superior numbers and eradicated our enemy en masse. My work here is done. Crushing pirates dreams, one at a time. Ahhhh. Crushed pirate dreams. Your scent is redolent of Valhalla."''

The location of the battlefield and the overwhelming victory of the Raktami host and their allies is marked in the following way:

''"You see a tall mound of moss-covered skulls and rusting cutlasses. Decayed and rotting leather together with bleached human bones are scattered around the area. A strong stench of rum exudes from the surrounding foliage."''

Further skirmishes with the remains of the pirate contigent in the area who did not make the battlefield in time for the battle followed in the next week, with the Host of the Queen mopping up pirate survivors.

==Consequences of the Battle of the Pirates Graveyard==

Aside from the odd skirmish by members of the Host of the Queen with [[Raffles]] and [[mercedes]], the battle effectively concluded the pirate assault of Raktam.

The region itself is now the Province of the Pirates Graveyard and is a part of the Kingdom of Greater Raktam.

The battle highlighted the lack of support to pirates by other outsider groups: cemented the alliance between the native regions: firmly established the Queen of Greater Raktam's credibility as a defender of Raktam rather than a despot as feared by some senior Raktami: and demonstrated that even Armadox the Butcher and his usual prey occasionally have common cause.

Battle of Pirates Graveyard

2007-09-13T11:42:06Z

0000FF Beard:

'''The Battle of the Pirates Graveyard''' occurred at GMT midnight on 26 August '07 within a large region of cleared jungle 25-35 paces directly west of the town of [[Raktam]]. The battle was the culmination of a series of sorties by the [[Brotherhood of the Coast]] upon Raktam throughout the month of August.

==List of Pirate Combatants==

The Brotherhood of the Coast contingent was lead by [[Rozen]]'s deputy, [[Bootstrap Bill]], togther with rogue Raktami, [[a rat]]. Other participants included [[Tristam Tanhide]], [[Atriedes 88]], [[Zamiel]], and [[0000FF Beard]].

==List of Raktami Combatants and their allies==

On the native side, the Host of the Queen of Greater Raktam, [[Blue Hummingbird]], consisted of [[Merc93]], [[Taika]], [[dchan]], [[Warrior6789]], and [[Dappled Shadow]] was augmented by reinforcements from the [[Wicksick]], consisting of [[Lama]], [[Jesus]], and [[Foo Fighter]], together with [[Azuma]] and [[Skull Face]] of the Dalpoki, and outlaw Raktami and leader of the [[Scavangers]], [[Armadox the Butcher]].

==Other players==

[[Atok]] the roaming shaman was to the east of the battlefield. A [[York]] member of the [[Royal Expedition]] on the southern border of the battlefield, apparently there as an observer, was warned to depart on the morning of the battle and promptly withdrew.

With his departure, Raktami forces and their allies outnumbered the pirate contingent by 13 to 5.

==Transcript of the Battle==

A transcript of the battle, excluding all pirate kills, follows:

Atreides 88 says “Argh! This won't end well!” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Blue Hummingbird says “How are we going for time now?” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Atreides 88 says “It be showtime!” (2007-08-25 23:59)

Foo Fighter says “One minute left....I hope you outsiders have a secret killer squad at the roaming shaman....” (2007-08-26 00:00)

azuma says “I am proud to stand and fight against the devils with each and every one of you. Good luck all.” (2007-08-26 00:00)

Blue Hummingbird says “Zamiel has wondered off. Bit short on pirates!” (2007-08-26 00:00)

Lama says “don't kill teh journalist, please ”

Blue Hummingbird says “FOR RAKTAM! INVADERS BURN IN THE LOWEST PURPLE HELL OF SOME MISBEGOTTEN....hm, drawn a blank.” (2007-08-26 00:01)

azuma kills TanhideTristram. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Armadox kills TanhideTristram. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Lama say “please don't kill 1262 this evening ”

Jesus returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

azuma says “Good on ya, Lama. Thanks.” (2007-08-26 00:02)

Blue Hummingbird starts acting very strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Blue Hummingbird returns to normal after a spell of acting strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

Dappled Shadow says “Ah well, it was great fun, if it wasn't for whoever it was who attacked me beforehand.” (2007-08-26 00:02)

Dappled Shadow starts acting very strangely. (2007-08-26 00:02)

azuma kills 0000FF Beard. (2007-08-26 00:03)

Dappled Shadow says “Hey lama don't exorcise me!!!” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Skull Face kills Meirleach. (2007-08-26 00:03)

Blue Hummingbird says “Um, is Merleach the journo?” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Foo Fighter says “Victory! We took heads and all! WICKSICK!” (2007-08-26 00:03)

azuma says “Nice work all” (2007-08-26 00:03)

Blue Hummingbird says “That was quick. The game told me azuma and Armadox kill the same guy.” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Skull Face says “Where is 'A Rat'? He was supoosed to be here?” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Lama says “got nice log ”

Foo Fighter says “Hmmm...maybe we should kill Armadox now just to make sure?” (2007-08-26 00:04)

Blue Hummingbird says “A rat is in the med hut. We can get him too.” (2007-08-26 00:05)

Foo Fighter says “Atok it is! Where is he?” (2007-08-26 00:05)

azuma says “I tagged a couple of them, Tanny and Beardy. Great fun.” (2007-08-26 00:05)

Lama attacks Armadox for 5 damage. They die.

Foo Fighter says “Hey Armadox, you alright? You really look sick....” (2007-08-26 00:06)

Skull Face says “I sat and watched the numbers go down. I have used the outsider magic called 'screenshot'...” (2007-08-26 00:06)

Lama says “Sorry, couldn't resist ”

Foo Fighter says “I don't find that shaman...” (2007-08-26 00:07)

Blue Hummingbird says “Taika and I nailed A rat out to the east. where is Atok?” (2007-08-26 00:08)

Foo Fighter says “I had a look around, didn't see the bugger” (2007-08-26 00:08)

azuma says “Didn't see anyone either.” (2007-08-26 00:08)

Taiaka says “I killed a rat, with the help of the Queen.” (2007-08-26 00:09)

Lama holds a seance and senses the presence of Armadox and 3 outsider spirits.

==Outcome of the Battle of the Pirates Graveyard==

The result was the destruction of the pirate force, with no losses to the native alliance other than the death of Armadox at the hands of the Wicksick.

Azuma was later quoted as follows: "''I was surrounded by heroes and we were all hitting everything that moved in a puffy shirt. What a line-up of natives; it was like a who's who of all time great cannibals. Truly spectacular. I may have gotten lucky and had my name accredited to two kills but I didn't do all of the damage myself. Let's be honest about it. We collectively (and quite efficiently) waged a war of superior numbers and eradicated our enemy en masse. My work here is done. Crushing pirates dreams, one at a time. Ahhhh. Crushed pirate dreams. Your scent is redolent of Valhalla."''

The location of the battlefield and the overwhelming victory of the Raktami host and their allies is marked in the following way:

''"You see a tall mound of moss-covered skulls and rusting cutlasses. Decayed and rotting leather together with bleached human bones are scattered around the area. A strong stench of rum exudes from the surrounding foliage."''

Further skirmishes with the remains of the pirate contigent in the area who did not make the battlefield in time for the battle followed in the next week, with the Host of the Queen mopping up pirate survivors.

==Consequences of the Battle of the Pirates Graveyard==

Aside from the odd skirmish by members of the Host of the Queen with [[Raffles]] and [[mercedes]], the battle effectively concluded the pirate assault of Raktam.

The region itself is now the Province of the Pirates Graveyard and is a part of the Kingdom of Greater Raktam.

The battle highlighted the lack of support to pirates by other outsider groups: cemented the alliance between the native regions: firmly established the Queen of Greater Raktam's credibility as a defender of Raktam rather than a despot as feared by some senior Raktami: and demonstrated that even Armadox the Butcher and his usual prey occasionally have common cause.

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2007-08-29T09:55:25Z

0000FF Beard: /* Monuments */

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Game mechanics}}

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler.|
suggest_time=23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

*That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

*So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response to this idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)

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=== Capturing villages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands?|
suggest_time=03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

*You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
** Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


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=== Unique skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc.|
suggest_time=02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

*Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)

*I agree with this as well. It seems Shartak is on the way to giving each class their own benefits (Soldiers/Warriors with gun skills, Settlers/Villagers with animal affinity etc.), but so far only a few have been made unique. At present there is really no point to being a scientist. He starts with 10 gold coins... what the? So I'm pushing for each class to have at least one unique skill they can purchase with XP. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 11:50, 3 June 2006 (BST)

*I feel the introduction of the unique skill system would make the game much more interesting. but i disagree with the idea that people should just start off with one, rather i feel it should be purchased like the other skills on offer. Additionally rather they have one skill strand/branch like that of the gun skill or animal affinity, it would be interesting and more fun to have a multiple skill branches in line with the specific character classes, like for instance giving the soldiers/warrior classes defensive skill strands in additional to their offensive ones. Furthermore there should be distinctions between the native & outsider classes so they’re similar yet different. Like for instance the firearm/blowpipe skill upgrades are currently identical, I hope in future they could be retooled to promote native/outsider gameplay differences. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 03:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:*A for Anarchy is right about warrior/soldiers skill trees. One idea to lively things up is for Native warriors to get a skill allowing them to manufacture a poison dart if they have a bunch of poisonous berries. This will allow them to not have to go back to their home villages to restock on ammo, they could 'live off the land' by simply searching the local poisonous berry bushes and making poison darts themselves. Soldiers should get something else, in line with the theme of the game. (Of course if it was up to me, the whole ranged weapon system would be overhauled. Another problem with ranged weapons is that they are useless to non-soldierwarriors) [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

*Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
**Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
***Taming Skills (adds 30%)
*Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*1. Create several new skills, with Animal Affinity as a prerequisite:
**Small Animal Training (base 25% chance of success): by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a small animal (monkey, parrot or small deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random fun thing visible to thos around you. eg: a parrot might tell a little joke, the monkey might do a little dance, and the deer just stands there looking irrestibly cute.
***Large Animal Training (base 10% chance of success)by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a large animal (elephant, tiger or large deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random thing. eg: a elephant might trumpet majestically, the tiger might roar, and the deer does, umm, impressive deer stuff.
**Combat Trained Animals: Allows the possessor to command their large or small animal to attack. Mechanically this makes the previously trained animals into weapons. Small animals hit at 50%, doing 1 point of damage. Large Animals hit at 10%, but do 5 points of damage. With each attack, there would be a chance similar to that of a machete to go dull or break, in the case of an animal, though, it dies or runs off, and is therefore lost.
*2. Create an item called "Animal Feed". It would be available from the traders, for approximately the same as a FAK. It is used up by rolling either Train Animal skill, whether the roll is successful or not. In the case of Combat Trained Animals, it might be expended in a manner similar to a rifle's bullets. Not sure about that last part, though. lol


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=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

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=== Auto Attack ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.|
suggest_time=02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Qberry|Qberry]]|
suggest_comments=

* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*I support this idea in theory, but of course it must be approached carefully. I like JonesDye's idea of not gaining XP for counter-attacks, and there are so many other factors to consider. QBerry-- you should start a thread about this in the forums to get all sides of the debate and get discussion going. This could be a great feature if implemented correctly. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 4 June 2006 (BST)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
:* See the end of the list at [[The Shartak Wiki:Community Portal#Greasemonkey scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

''Edit'':

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat|
suggest_time=06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Slith|Slith]]|
suggest_comments=

*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat? It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness. Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's [[Boatyard]]. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
****I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)
* i reckon the boat idea would be great especially for the CP so we are land police of york and water police of york!,hopefully this does work out!. [[User:Riddick|riddick]] 21:17 10 June,2006 (GMT).
*If boats are implemented, wouldn't it make sense to allow pirates a special skill regarding them? After all, the pirates on Shartak were all sailors before wrecking their ship. It would only make sense if they (for instance) used fewer AP to sail or something similar. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 8:53, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
*I think that boats could add a valuable dimension to the game once more pressing issues (such as spirit exorcism/warding) are dealt with and the active population of the island grows by a few hundred (because boats would spread players out over an even larger area and make people even harder to find outside of camps). Anyway, here are my ideas.
**Regarding boat speed, realism would demand that boat travel be faster than swimming in at least some cases. At best, a boat should be able to travel from York to Derby (for example) faster than anyone could make the trip on foot (~160 AP with ''trailblazing''; see [[User:Elembis/Sandbox#Camp travel distances|my sandbox]]). Furthermore, a four-person crew should be able to outrun or at least keep up with a boat with just one person onboard. I think a boat should move for 1.5 AP regardless of how many people (up to 4) are in it. With cooperation, a full crew could make the York-Derby trip (~276 squares east to west) in 276 × 1.5 / 4 = 103.5 AP per person, or a little under a day and a half. A 1.5 AP move cost for boats would make swimming faster for a single player in shallow water but not in deep water, and a crew of two or more people would be able to outdistance any swimmer.
**The boat would have a virtual helm, and only players at the helm (captains) would be able to set the boat's course (one of the eight compass directions) and sail off-course if they desired. Non-captains would only be able to move the boat in the direction of the course or the two adjacent directions (so a NW course would only allow them to move N, NW and W). The helm could be shared, but only an empty helm could be taken (i.e., you have to kill the captain(s) first). This would keep players from climbing aboard and sailing far off-course (or perhaps to shore in hostile territory). A captain who left the boat would return as crew and would need to be promoted again by whoever had the helm.
**Boats could be entered, exited, or boarded from another boat for 1 AP. Players would leave boats (1) voluntarily, (2) by being killed, or (3) if they were not a captain and a captain forced them off for 1 AP.
**Construction would occur on the beach, as Tycho suggested. (A one-time script would flag beach squares next to water, and construction of boats would only be possible on those squares.) It would progress one piece at a time to (1) avoid unrealistic near-instant boat construction and (2) to allow multiple people to contribute driftwood to the effort. There would be a 1 AP "Build" button and a dropdown box for all boats on the square. ("[Build] <nothing / Ye Olde Boat> with a piece of driftwood.") After contributing a piece of driftwood a player would see how many more pieces the boat needed. There would also be a form for starting a new boat with one piece of driftwood. ("[Start building] a new boat named [text input].")
**Boats would be attackable with melee weapons and could disintegrate slowly (1) when they are unoccupied, (2) when they have been under construction for more than a week, and (2) as they travel. A boat would only disappear from the game if it had 0 HP and had been that way for an entire week. (A script could run every ''x'' hours to check for unoccupied boats and damage them, and a nightly script could check for destroyed and abandoned boats and delete them.) For realism and gameplay, it should be easier to kill all four passengers on a boat than to destroy the boat itself as well as more rewarding (i.e., hurting a boat would yield few XP, if any). Attacks that targeted the boat would be visible to everyone onboard just as if they themselves were being attacked. Players onboard would be attackable by anyone on the square, whether the attacker is riding in another boat or swimming. (If sailors were not attackable, natives raiding outsider camps would be able to take sanctuary in boats just offshore.) Giant squids would attack boats about as often as they attacked the people onboard (unless a passenger had attacked the squid, in which case the squid would focus on that player until they were dead). Sharks, however, would leave boats and their occupants alone.
**Most important, in my opinion, is that the best boat builders and/or repairers would be settlers, villagers and pirates. While boat construction would be too fun to not share, those three classes need unique skills. An exclusive repair skill might be appropriate; unskilled captains would push a boat until it couldn't go anywhere (or hire someone to repair it), but settlers/villagers/pirates would be able to repair boats (including any abandoned ones they found). Fully repairing a nearly destroyed boat should probably be about half as expensive, in terms of both AP and driftwood, as building a new one. Needless to say, boats could be a real chore to implement, but they would surely make the game even more distinctive and rich. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 20:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*As much as I don't care for PK-ing (especially against newbies like me!), it is something many people enjoy (and I am in full agreement with [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] about how newbies could visit enemy territory and be invincible) and is an excellent way of gaining XP if you choose to do so. I second the notion of having a PvP free hut in each settlement/village; perhaps disable the attack command entirely while in there? As a penalty for using such a hut, there should be no resource items there, so that players will still need to 'risk' being in resource huts to restock. Or, at least charge 5AP to enter (you have to talk your way in or at least convince the guards to allow you entrance; thus people who 'play it safe' will need to conserve their AP as they are not taking risks). One of the hallmarks of games like this is AP managment, and most of us learned that the hard way...--[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".

''Note: One of the raisons d'etre for this suggestion has been eliminated with the shaman changes, so this suggestion is less relevant than it was and in some ways outdated. It might still be workable, though it will have to be approached differently.'' [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::If there is a 10% chance to get one gold coin per hour, and if during a large portion of the day both natives and outsiders are on the gold mine square so no mining is going on, then the odds would be that the lots of people would get 0 gold coins (or very few) before being killed, a total waste of time for them, and they might not bother going back after they're killed, which defeats the gold mine's purpose as a strategic location that people will fight over. This is why I say people need something tangible every hour. In fact, that should be revised to "something tangible every AP turnover", i.e. every 20 minutes. Even if someone is there for only a short time, they should have something to show for it, which they almost certainly wouldnt with a low % chance per hour of getting one gold coin. Your idea of scaling the gold that the mine produces could be implemented by making Gold Prospector Jim give fewer gold coins the more nuggets he receives. In other words, a gold mining version of the current trading system. Since he will have received 0 gold nuggets as the mine is first discovered, one gold nugget could trade for one gold coin, and as more people start cashing in, the value of a gold nuggest would go down, to where he wants 20 or so nuggets for one gold coin. The value would fluctuate throughout the day and week as people cash in more gold nuggets. This way, scalability is achieved while continuing to be able to reward something tangible every AP turnover. Also, I would say gold nuggets should take 0 inventory space just like gold coins, since in theory 72 could be given out per day to one person, and that would fill up anyone's inventory, allowing them to not receive any more. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

*I agree there needs to be more locations worth going to, but adding just one will not add enough to shake things up. I think a mine with various valuable minerals such as gold (not coins but actual lumps of gold since it was just mined) and maybe forgeable material, ect. But you should have to actually apply AP to mine it out, maybe with varying % to find different minerals in different parts of the mine (I imagine it as an underground area much like a temple with multiple squares)

Along with the mine I was thinking of other locations that would attract people. What about a sunken ship, with treasure perhaps, in the ocean (like deep ocean, shark attack deep deal) somewhere to the northeast of the island since none of the settlements are very close to that? Another place that people are going is that island to the west of the main island. Perhaps something of value could be put there as well, like say an ancient stucture like all those temples only better. (Think El Durado!) I think that the swamp should have something in it aswell, I don't know what.

The biggest thing I would want to see implimented would be buried treasure, placed in a random jungle square anywhere in Shartak every 1st of the month, with pieces of the treasure map being found at random. Groups and individuals would scramble to find the chest, which would no doubt be full of gold dubloons and other valuable treasure. People who don't want to look for the treasure could sell pieces of the map to others who do for high prices. If noone finds the treasure by the 1st of the next month then the treasure rolls over into next month so that month will have 2 chests at the location! Only the first person to dig it up gets what it contains. Anyone else will find a hole with an empty chest in it. How's that for location/events? (I was thinking of making this its own suggestion but didn't want to steal this persons 'thunder' as it were) --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
 This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Message in a bottle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New item, message system|
suggest_scope=All characters in Beach terrain|
suggest_description=Much like the "make signpost" action, creating a message in a bottle will only be available to players standing in Beach terrain. Unless the "Refillable containers" suggestion is implemented, to create a message in a bottle will require a bottle of beer, bottle of rum, or bottle of water and some newer items - parchment and charred driftwood or berry paint. There would be a textarea and a button, much like the existing message actions. Upon clicking the "make message" button, the items required are removed from the player's inventory and their text message is added to the database.

Although it would be neat to actually see the bottles floating in the water and following unique movement patterns, that would lead to some very cluttered areas. So instead the message in a bottle becomes a rare search result in Beach terrain.

When a player finds a message in a bottle the system generates a random number and selects the associated message to that number from the database. After reading the message, the player has the option to destroy or return the bottle. Destroying the message in a bottle removes it from the database. Returning it throws the bottle back into the sea to be found again. There should probably be a default message in the event that all the unique messages are destroyed or the search odds could be modified to reflect that there are no more messages in a bottle to be found.

Each message could also have a stat to display how many times the message was read before.|
suggest_time=05:33, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Nice idea. I'd rather have the message bottle also be rare-findable in water. I think it'd be kind of neat to have some items found in water, even if only text messages generated by other players. The suggestion does await parchment, although I think that berries alone would be sufficient for ink ("you write in berry juice") rather than requiring a separate ink item. Implementing parchment might get a bit complicated - I'd prefer a very streamlined approach so that players aren't carrying around six (or 71) different message'd parchments at once. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Map quest===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Quest|
suggest_scope=All characters, new NPCs|
suggest_description=There is a limited usefulness for the map for those without access to the mapping scripts. There is also a limited incentive for players to explore foreign camps. This suggestion provides a simple quest for players to hopefully address both issues.

Each town will possess a new NPC (or possibly a retooled home shaman or trader) that has a fragment of a map. The fragment will display the general vicinity around the camp. After a player interacts with the NPC and acquires a map fragment, they can view map.html and see two new buttons: "view torn map" and "compare maps". "View torn map" will display the collection of map fragments acquired by the player. "Compare maps" will overlay the player's personal map on top of the torn map.

I imagine the map fragments to resemble the parchment look featured in the game logo, but each camp might use a different medium or writing implement which will give the torn map a patchwork appearance.

The map fragments will not take up any inventory space and not even be listed in the inventory. On a character's profile page it may be possible to display their progress with the quest: (1/7 map fragments).

Obviously, having just the area of the camps mapped out will leave some large missing chunks in the torn map. There could be a hermit NPC that will complete the torn map once each fragment is obtained. The complete map can also have the feature of unlocking new territory. Talking to special elder NPCs will mark the map with locations that are viewable and enterable only by those with complete, marked maps.|
suggest_time=19:53, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Sure, this makes sense to me. Ideally, the special code (possibly including search outcomes, NPC interactions, non-item flags in character data, and so forth) would be generic enough so that it could also be borrowed to implement treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, secret locations, and other future plot-lines in Shartak. A Shartak map itself, even complete, would just show the same info that can be found via web or wiki, so it is not going to harm game balance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:27, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Monsoon===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=event|
suggest_scope=all|
suggest_description=Add seasons to shartak, matching RL events. The sea level would rise by 1 square, the river would swell by 1 square, crocodiles would become plentiful, and the pirate ship would lift off of the rocks. The ship would then randomly drift around, 1 square per day, and would still be accessible but players would have to swim out to it. Deforested squares would also recover faster. The ship wouldn't be directable because 'The sail is too tattered to use.' or something. The monsoon would also match, more or less, RL duration.|
suggest_time=17:28, 16 July 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=Aco|
suggest_comments=

*All this would be do-able without too much extra coding except for moving the pirate ship. It would however take a while to work out which bits of beach, swamp and jungle would become submerged and to do it in such a way that it's easily reversible later. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*Something that would require even less work on Simon's part, but would still convey the feel of a hurricane would be to change some descriptions temporarily. Add, "The wind howls about you and the rain drives fiercely", to all outdoor descriptions. Add "The deadly storm rages just outside. You don't know how long this little hut can survive." to indoor descriptions. He could also temporarily expand the range of "sharks" to include all outdoor locations (possibly with a lower likelihood of being bitten, as it seems more or less automatic once you swim far enough out) but change the description to "A piece of flying debris injures you." This would make being indoors scary and being outdoors potentially deadly.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I have just advocated a similar ideas for storms at the new forum. Have a mass of black cloud move onto the island. The rivers swell and move rapidly, causing death to those in the water. Lightning strikes and strong winds cause HP damage or death. [[FirstAmongstDaves]]


}}
===Identification of strangers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Identification of strangers|
suggest_description=As a native, I would like an "Identify an outsider" button when standing on the same square as one or more outsiders I can't recognize. (Outsiders would have the same thing for natives, naturally.) It's unrealistic that the best ways to identify people are to attack them or give them gold. It's also bothersome; gold coins are hard to find in the wilderness, and a cheapskate may attack a stranger only to regret the attack upon discovering that their target was a peaceful person. If you're the sort of player who likes to attack every stranger you meet, that's fine. However, many people do discriminate between strangers, and it shouldn't be unduly hard for them to simply figure out who someone is.

Identification would cost 1 AP. Flavor text could be something like
:You examine an outsider until you're able to tell them apart from all the others. They are {{profile|6|Leaky Bocks}}.

I estimate that this change will have the following effects:
# Identification before an attack will be easier and thus more attractive to moderately peaceful players, resulting in less "gratuitous cross-class violence" (as [[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] [[Talk:Identify_Friend_or_Foe|put it]]) at the hands of players who wish to avoid it.
# [[Identify Friend or Foe]] [[:Category:IFF supporter|supporters]] will no longer be subject to the current "peace tax".
# Non-participants in the IFF initiative will neither receive gold from curious players nor see who has identified them. However, after they are identified they may still be given gold or even spoken to (which I prefer from a roleplaying perspective) if cheaper identification makes people more willing to interact with those they identify. I know I'd rather spend 1.5 AP to identify someone and speak to them than 1 AP and a coin to merely identify them.

Since it's already possible to identify a stranger in ways that help them (by giving gold) or hurt them (by attacking), why shouldn't there be a more direct middle path?|
suggest_time=06:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

I'm looking for a flaw in the reasoning here, but I can't find one. I support this. 18:40, 31 July 2006. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* The only flaw I can see is already in the game. How do you figure out who someone is, just by giving them a gold coin or attacking them. *slash* Oh, scuse me a second while I check the back of your jacket for a name tag. Same sort of thing applies to staring at someone and figuring out what their name is. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
** "I'd like to stare at someone long enough to figure out what they look like and what they're wearing and carrying." I support this. For convenience, the game has already conflated face-recognition with user-profile. There doesn't exist an in-between level: either you know all their skills and their profile description, or you aren't able to target them at all. We could eventually migrate toward a solution (and perhaps introduce new skills and actions, such as Disguise that would conceal your skillset and kill stats). But in the meantime it would be nice to have the suggested convenience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Drowning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=Perhaps there should be some rules for drowning? Many players in Shartak (including my character, Zeff) like to camp/sleep in the water. I feel there should be a risk of drowning when a player spends a long period of time in deep water - shallow water would not apply. Perhaps something like this - If a player spends over 2 hours in the water "drowning damage" comes into effect (regardless of whether or not the player has the swimming skill) and every futher hour 10 damage is dealt to the player - either "drowning damage" or instant drowning after 3 hours - with a message "you have drowned".
Another additional possibility is have the character drift in the water - especially if they go into deep water - I like the idea of leaving a character in the water when you log out, and when you log back in they are washed up on another part of the island with most of their hit points missing. Although that might be a bit complicated to do...|
suggest_time=22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice. Drifting could be done, although it may make things complicated if you drift too quickly. I certainly don't think you'd move very far in a few hours otherwise it would be far too easy to lose sight of the giant squid you were attacking (for example). There would probably have to be some kind of data in the map that says where you drift to from that square, even if the drifting changes slightly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Sounds like a good idea. Also, driftwood could possibly be incorporated into this, perhaps giving a lower chance of drowning, lower drowning damage, or maybe making the player drift further. -[[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]
* I definetly think you should drown to death if you sleep in the water. You should only be able to drift with driftwood, since you could possibly sleep on the plank as it floats you to another place. Without the dirftwood you wouldn't drift far because you'd drown before you got to see the place you arrived at...unless instead of drowning to death you drown to 1 HP and are planted on a random beach space in Shartak. I like this idea but can't decide how I'd like to see it put in game. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Pigeon postal service===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Outsiders (I imagine a different version for Natives|
suggest_description=Right now I have encountered difficulties whenever I try to contact someone in game. There is (currently) no way right now of contacting people in game without finding them. To improve on that, I thought there should be a sort of postal service. The idea is simple. You go to a post office to do one of three things 1) buy a pigeon so you can write a letter from anywhere and send it to the post office (at a cost of 2 GC) 2) write a letter at the post office for posting (at a cost of 1 GC) 3) receive mail (at a cost of 0 GC). To prevent harassment of players you can even instruct the postal staff to burn any letters from ignoramus people (you must tell them before hand otherwise they will burn everything).

*''The postal staff has burned 3 letters from unwanted peoples since your last visit.''
*''You buy a pigeon at the cost of 2 GC. It looks anxious to be on its way home again.''
*''The post woman takes your letter and smiles knowingly.''

The idea may need some tweaking but this is just a suggestion on how to create in game messages.
|
suggest_time=17:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=


Sounds like an interesting idea. The only real problem that might happen is that if you've off on long journeys, you may not have the time to stop into a town and check your mail. Perhaps the pigeons could also fly to you, where ever you may be, and give you the letter? --[[User:Che|Che]] 22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you buy local pigeons and deliver them to another town for sale at a higher price?--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 02:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Since pigeons can only return to one place I imagine that foreign post offices would pay a premium for pigeons that can go to other cities. For example, a pigeon bought at York and will return to York is only 2 GC, but a pigeon bought at York that will return to Derby will cost 10 GC or more because you can't raise pigeons to fly to Derby in York.


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===Climbable Trees and high areas===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics and Skill|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=This is more like two suggestions bundled into one, but they are closely related. I think climbable trees (areas of jungle) would be a great addition to the game. With the use of a climbing skill (perhaps easier to learn for natives) players can "climb" into the jungle canopy (for 5AP) providing the jungle is heavy (dark green and above). This would provide an excellent way to "hide" from other players and give another bonus which I will get back to. If a player chops jungle where a player is hiding above them, that player falls to the ground for a medium amount of damage. Other players would have a chance of spotting people hiding above them, each time they move to a different jungle area (50% and 100% if you use search in the area - a message "you spot *name* hiding in the canopy above you"). Also players will be able to jump from tree to tree for 2AP. Now, onto the "other bonus" mentioned earlier - this bonus also effects areas such as the mountain and the crows nest at the shipwreck giving "high areas" more of a tactical use. These areas should allow you to spot people (outsiders, pirates and natives) in the distance. When you are in one of these areas you would be able to "see" the number of people to the north, east, south and west - this will include areas such as north-east and south-west as "north" will mean a general cone shape north of the player. For example in the crows nest at the shipwreck, there will be a button "lookout" which would display the following text-
"You scan the horizons -
North - You see 1 native nearby.
East - You see 6 pirates nearby. You see 3 pirates in the distance.
South - You see 12 pirates nearby. You see 4 pirates and 2 outsiders in the distance.
West - You see 7 pirates nearby. You see 2 pirates and 4 natives in the distance."
Of course if you did this on the mountain, you wouldn't be able to see through solid rock.
The sight range would be perhaps 20 squares, anything over 10 squares is defined as distance. If this suggestion is implemented it will I feel it would add a whole new level to gameplay (literally!) as well as possibilities for watch-towers, and long-range rifle/blowpipe sniping!
|
suggest_time=11:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

I had thought of climbable trees, but hadn't planned on people being able to move around whilst in the tree. The biggest problem with letting you see further is that (a) it'd require more processing to handle the extra 24+ map areas, (b) Displaying the map would be quite tricky due to the sizes of squares required to be able to hold text and icons. I had envisaged something like "You climb a tree. [down]" as the stuff on the right, no other actions except down. The left hand side would be a map area about the same size as currently, but where each block was replaced with a 3x3 area. This would give you the ability to see terrain from 7 blocks all around (15x15 grid). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't thinking of actually showing the areas you can see, I was thinking along the lines a purely text feature, that would operate in a similar way to "search". There would be a button that would "list" each direction (N,E,S,W) and the players you could see in those areas. Actually displaying more sqaures on screen sounds pretty complicated... --[[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:The problem with just text is not everyone is going to be directly north or west or south or east of you, most of the time they will be at strange angles. Simon's idea of a 15x15 grid when you climb a tree is a good one, if it is able to be done. Here's the idea I got while reading this suggestion: firstly, new item-telescope (explorers would start with one, they would be occassionally found in outsider towns. natives would have no access, like gps). Going atop a tree or crow's nest or climbing on top of ruins would give you four buttons: look north, look west, look south, look east-- but only if you have a telescope. Each would cost 5 or 10 AP (it would take a long time to throughly search with the horizon with your telescope.) You would be shown something like [http://www.itechsc.com/misc/shartak/ubermap/closeup.php?cx=-70648&cy=26343&dn=1&zn=1 this map] (but not as big), it would display the area north of your immediate area if you chose 'look north', south of yoru area if you chose 'look south, etc, and it would tell you where others are.
:- [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeff, You are on the right track with your hiding suggestion I think, but it shouldnt be atop trees. People should have an ability to hide in the jungle, and an on-ground hiding skill has been suggested before. I still think it is a good idea. Here is one version of the idea, suggested by Armadox on the forum:
<<Armadox_The_Butcher wrote: What about a skill that allows you to use your last 10 ap to hide in the foilage? It marks you off the map, like being a spirit. Spirits can still see you, and anyone searching the area can uncover you. but it'll keep your hide safer untill you log back on?>>
<<Arminius wrote: This is a good idea, but how about instead of having to search, someone who steps onto the same square automatically discovers you? But people wouldnt be able to see you from other squares like they can now. Currently if you are standing on any of the 25 squares in someone's line of sight, they can see you, but if you were to be hidden they wouldnt be able to unless they are on your square. This could serve as an ambushing skill as well as a hiding skill. By ambushing I mean hiding and then waiting till someone comes to a square near you to rest, and naturally they wouldnt know youre there, then you emerge to kill the poor sucker>>
<<Crowjane wrote: sounds generally nice, but what if everyone has it. I foresee no ambushing but endless travels without any human contact...>>
<<Tycho44 wrote: I like the idea of having an extremely expensive Hide Skill (12AP-30AP to use?) that only works to cloak you from those not in your square. By hiding, you would prevent animals and players from seeing and pursuing you unless they actually stumbled into your square (Trackers could use Tracking Skill). When the cost of hiding is high, many players will choose to step 5 or 15 spaces further back into the wilderness instead, so the game impact would be relatively mild. Also, hiding could require Jungle d5 or higher to use, just like concealed huts and trees. That would prevent ambushes from inside the town.>> ([http://shartak.forumsplace.com/message-152-15.html From here]).
 - [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. Complications aside, the original suggestion would effectively make the island larger, which would make player interaction more rare, and that's simply bad. I'd support an ''x'' AP "Lookout" ability in suitably dense jungle that would simply return flavor text revealing the location of one or more nearby players or animals. ("You climb a tree for a moment and see someone to the northeast.") But I think concealment in treetops is a bad idea, and the server load of a large map view should be avoided if a simpler "lookout" action will work about as well. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

* I like the idea of being able to hide in the folliage, it just fits naturally into this type of game. Espeacially with the tracking skills as a means of finding them by following their tracks. Very cool. The item 'telescope' would be awesome too, with the ability to look diagonal compass directions as well please. The crows nest could be a look out, along with towers being added to all the settlements (both native and outsider) to look from. I also recall a high place at a waterfall? You would only be able to see people standing in open sqaures (less than 5 folliage?) since anymore trees would create a thick canopy above them blocking your view. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 21:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Importance of the Islands of Shartak===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=The many Islands of Shartak have been the source of some of the most heated conflicts seen to date; however, such islands truly offer nothing more then a secluded patch of beach and jungle. To make these Island more desirable, I think new or stronger animals should be confined to these Islands, or possibly an implementation of the "New Strategic Location on Island" suggestion. When Darwin visited the Galapagos Islands, he noticed that the species he found evolved separately from creatures on the mainland. The same should be true with Shartak.|
suggest_time=16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]]|
suggest_comments=

Possible animals:
*Gorillas - stronger than a monkey, hit harder
*Rhinos - less HP than elephants, but more aggressive and hit harder
Or Mythical/Exotic Creatures:
*Ogopogo - like the Squid, but confined specifically to the waters around the Island; could possibly give special power/stat increase when successfully killed
*Dragon - Travels between all Islands; hits extremely hard, but flies to adjacent squares after hits; impossible to heal.
*Big foot - from adjacent squares, it is seen as "An Outsider" but once on the same square, he appears as Big Foot. Same stats as outsider, with more HP. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the islands may have a strategic piece of terrain, such as an ammo hut?[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:53, 26 November 2006 (PST)

* Gorillas and Rhinos are nice, but no wierd crazy animals please. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Message huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Communications|
suggest_scope=Players in camps|
suggest_description=For the sake of roleplaying, I'd like more communication between players to occur in a realistic fashion in-game than for it to occur outside of the game (on forums and the wiki). One way to accomodate this would be to establish message huts, run by new NPCs, in which a player (Alice, a native) can leave a message for another player (Bob, an outsider) to be read when Bob enters the hut to check his messages. A message left in Derby for Bob would only be readable by Bob, and only when Bob entered the Derby message hut to ask for his messages. If Bob had no language skills the message would appear garbled, as always.

I see two problems with this system: one is that players could spam everyone by leaving hundreds of messages in each hut, and the other is that the server could have to store hundreds of thousands of messages. The first objection could be solved by charging the sender 1 gold coin (or perhaps more) per message per hut. The second problem might be fixed if we (1) kept a sender from leaving more than 1 message in each hut; (2) held no more than 100 messages total in each hut, dropping old ones as new ones arrived; or (3) restricted message-sending to registered players. (Obviously, a message would be dropped as soon as its recipient arrived and read it.)

This change would make camps more popular, give everyone another way to spend their gold, and, most importantly, make it easier to contact people who leave no contact information in their profiles, something that can only be done now after a huge and often difficult game of hide and seek. |
suggest_time=05:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

Would be nice if the other NPC's mentioned to you that you've messages to read in the hut - "Trader Toe says, 'Have you been to the message hut lately? I hear you have a message there.'" Otherwise i doubt i'd ever check. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Clan Bonuses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description= If implemented clan founders can set one out of a list of bonuses in order to provide benefits for clan membership. I would suggest that this change be 'locked' for at least a day, to prevent abuse. The bonuses are all small buffs to various factors in order to augment the play style each clan inspires. I am making this suggestion because despite a wide variety of clans on Shartak, most players have yet to chose one and there are several clans, such as my own, that only have the founder as a member. By giving clan members a small bonus, clans should be able to facilitate recruitment. What follows are a few suggested bonuses; please feel free to suggest more or comment on those suggested:

*''Search Bonus'': 5% added to base search odds.
*''Melee Bonus'': 5% added to melee accuracy.
*''Range Bonus'': 5% added to firearms accuracy.
*''Plunder Bonus'': 10% increase to find gold coin at any location where they may appear (this should not be applied to the base search, rather it increases the probality of a successful search resulting in a gold coin).
*''Explore Bonus'': 5% chance of a character getting a 'free' movement; flavor text could read 'you find that you were able to easily move forward'; applies only to land movement.
*''Faith Bonus'': 5% evasion to spirit attacks.
*''Hunter Bonus'': +1 damage to any animal

Given these small size of the bonuses, I doubt any of these will seriously affect game balance, and the suggestion is merely one to increase clan membership. I am sure there are other reasonable bonuses out there, and I believe each of the above encourage roleplaying, be it pirates placing importance on finding gold or explorer groups getting bonuses to find goods or possibly cover even more ground with less AP.|
suggest_time=19:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]]|
suggest_comments=

The only thing I don't like is what about people who don't want to join a clan? I think How clans are right now are fine.--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 22:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am strongly against clan bonuses - the incentive to join a clan should be social (i might be for clan penalties - management takes its toll). What problem is this supposed to solve? If a clan isn't popular, there's probably a good reason (lack of leadership, lack of purpose, lack of distinction, etc) that should be addressed by the clan leadership. If it was implemented, you'd have to restrict a character from changing clans more than once every X hours/turns as well as the clan from changing its bonus/penalty. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the clan had both a bonus and a penalty - choose any one bonus and one penalty (and the penalty grows directly proportional to clan size - what can i say? i don't like management). This would help leave balance as is (for the independants) but give clans more flavour --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Excellent points, both of you! Frisco, I believe you are right that this unfairly penalizes independents, I see that as a serious fault now too. I believe the best way to balance it is to give independents a bonus or bonuses, though different than clan bonuses and thus encourage independent play. The main I one can think right now of ''caution bonus'': independents are more wary of others and thus get a 5% evasion to any player attacks. This negates any clan attack bonus against other players and would also be useful for new players who are prime targets for PKing. In regards to a clan penalty, I would best leave this up to others such as yourself as to what you think is fair. In addition, your statement about switching clans for bonuses on the fly is an abuse I did not think of; I think the best solution would be that some minimum amount in the clan is necessary for the bonus to activate, such as 24 hours. As far as proportion goes, I think that would be too complicated, as the server would have to constantly check clan size to assess the bonus/penalty amount. The purpose of this suggestion is to enliven the clan system, not to punish anyone. Basically, I am just trying to think of way to make the clan system more attractive, is in all honesty it has no effect on the actual game other then filling a field in your profile. Furthermore, out of 1113 active players, only 246 were affiliated with any clan, and this gap is even larger if you take into account inactive players (roughly 4000 at this writing). Perhaps a bonus system is ''not'' a solution, though I think their should some in-game effect, maybe inter-clan communication or something (i.e., the clan leader(s) can send out messages or something, though if Elembis's suggestion above is implemented this will be moot)? Even though I doubt this will be implemented, I want to encourage debate and see if a fair proposal arises that does not offset balance. Looking forward to hearing more on this. --[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there should be more of an incentive to join a clan - just to give clans a bit more flavour, but nothing that penalizes independant players or makes the game unfair. There is a similar clan bonus system on Nexuswar, where clans have a certain bonus depending on how powerful they are. Independents also get a bonus that depends on how long they stay alive. But to be honest, I would dislike that system if it was applied to Shartak. Perhaps something like an optional clan skill? A minor skill that actually replaces an existing skill (depending on the clans speciality -searching, attacking etc), making the clan members more specialized than independant players. Although independant players would not have access to that skill they would still have as much power as the clan members, having access to the skill that the clan members do not have. [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Additional Pirate Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Dividing the growing pirate population|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=If not the high HP and access to many riches, it is the fact that they all live close by that gives pirates an advantage over Natives and other Outsiders. I suggest we add two more pirate ships to help control the coordination imbalance. After it is implemented any pirates who dies may choose to change their home ship once. The ships will need names.|
suggest_time=11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

If you're correcting imbalances with this then dont forget to give us all a 5 damage, 60% hit weapon. A few HP difference isn't all that good. Anywhom, This seems a fair idea, but i dont like it. There's not so many pirates up at the wreck, and dividing them by three would be disaster. how about just two ships? The 'Hell Born Strumpet' (For Cap Whitney) and whatever Captain Edwards wants to call his? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

There's a lot more pirates at the wreck than there are people in most of the other towns, to be fair. --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 18:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say a lot, more like 1.4x more. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

:Ignoring inactive players - most camps have about 120ish, except the shipwreck with 290 and york with 210. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I rather like it that the ship doesn't have a name. It allows new clans to say "We're part of a different crew." After all, clans come and go. There's no reason to think the current pirate clans will last forever.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well we could name them by colour, type of ship, or description of wreck like "Grey ship", "Frigate", or "Rock wrecked ship." [[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 21:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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===Spirit Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic|
suggest_scope=Spirits|
suggest_description=Spirits under this new system would be bound to a specific distance from the spot where they died, with bonuses for actions (perhaps it'd halve the AP cost?) within that spot and possibly the four adjacent squares. (Alternatively, you could just be more noticeable in that area to mortals without Sixth Sense.) I know this could be abused, such as PKers waiting until players are far away from a shaman to kill them, but I've come up with some solutions or counterbalances. For example: being a Shartak noob, I don't know if there are roaming shamans, but if not there would be, thus giving a spirit another way to get back to the land of the living.

The next counterbalance is something I stole from the Dead Case, some ghost-related flash game thing, in which by freaking people out you gain their belief in you and can thus range farther from your grave; by going around your own territory and attacking things, you could quickly gain enough XP buy a spirit-only skill that adds half again or even doubles your current movement radius. Or there could be a new meter, some sort of power or belief level which allows you to go farther; maybe there's a skill that allows you to assimilate the essence of living beings you've screamed to death into your own, and thus travel beyond the initial limits of your "territory."

Admittedly, the whole extra incentive not to die idea would be quite confusing and probably rather tiresome for new players, so perhaps after your first death or two your spirit is resilient enough to ignore the penalty. Feel free to ridicule these random ideas.

A few more ideas to pick and choose from:
*Spirits are more powerful when working together.
**However, to reduce the Screaming Medical Hut Gang's ability to harrass the living, another idea could be taken from Dead Case: you're unable to cross the threshold of a hut until you go beyond a certain level of power, belief, spiritual influence, whatever you want to call it.
*Spirits are more powerful when in ruins, because everyone knows there are always powerful spirits haunting ruins.
*Shamans can, after collecting a number of items, putting them all together and performing some ceremony or other, Curse a person's spirit so that its territory is severely diminished when its body dies?|
suggest_time=13:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zutaka|Zutaka]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===More Clan/Crew powers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=For Clan/Crew founders and leaders to be able to kick out players they don't want.|
suggest_scope=All Clan/Crew Founders and Leaders|
suggest_description=It's quite simple If you have a disruptive player who joins your Clan or Crew to either make fun of it or badmouth or he does not fallow the clan Ideals He can be kicked out of the clan by the founders and leaders of the clan no questions asked. You would find the feature on the clan members list (Or wherever Simon wants to put it.) And click the "kick out" buttin to expel him from the clan.|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented with the December 2006 clan updates. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Looting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Gold|
suggest_description=Players can loot gold from corpses. At base rate a player will be able to loot 1/4 of the GC on a corpse, at a cost of 5 AP. Pirates get a bonus, looting 1/3 of the GC. A skill “Looting” will double this fraction (1/4 to ½ and 1/3 to 2/3).|
suggest_time=11:35, 9 November 2006|
suggest_author=Nicorus|
suggest_comments=

Sounds like [[Suggestions:Skills#Plunder]]. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 Confine it to irates as an incentive to be a different class. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Day and Night===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mecanics|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Basicaly, turn the map a darker shade every amount of time. Maybe, animals could wander into towns at night, and players could only see tat there were a number of players in a certain square, instead of seeing that there were 1 outsider and 3 natives.|
suggest_time=19:26pm/12th Nove 2006|
suggest_author=Majestic[[User:Ninja|Ninja]]|
suggest_comments=

I've a feeling that that would be a massive, massive job to format. Sounds good but I think you'd need to download a grahics package, if not, the server would just...explode! Or not...i'm no programer by any description. Perhaps if there were three shades? day, noon and night? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Guildhouses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mechanic|
suggest_scope=Clans|
suggest_description=Clans need guildhouses or headquarters, places that only members of the creating clan may enter(?). Basically, only available to clans with a relatively large amount of active members, such as 15. The way I see this (which is of course up for discussion) is so:

Two members of the clan are present. Both give 75 AP and 200 XP to create this building (think: Hut). Once created, it requires 50 AP per week to keep it up. This weekly AP can be donated by any of the members of the clan. For example, player 1 can decide he has 10 AP that he doesn't need, player 2 gives 4 AP, player 3 gives 25, and player 4 notices it's already Saturday and there's a dearth of 11 AP so he takes care of the last bit, thus keeping the hut "alive" for another week.
General benefits (once again, up for discussion) would be: Access only to members of the clan, perhaps a "medical table" where you can convert AP/XP into healing much like the scientist can do, and a "Ammo cupboard" where one can find rifle bullets or sharpening stones or whatever items Simon sees fit.|
suggest_time=21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]]|
suggest_comments=

Realistically, wouldn't the contents of this "ammo cupboard" have to be donated as well? --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:43, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:Yeah, that makes sense, but that could also be supported by the weekly AP donation. Keeping stocks up, etc. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 22:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Take a look at my 'temporary structure' suggestion in "misc."--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:These are nothing alike. Mine is a guildhouse, does not involve driftwood at all. Gathering driftwood would be a major drawback for a guildhouse in the middle of the jungle, days away from beaches. Yours is just a form of shelter in the jungle, protection from surprise attack, where my suggestion is a base for a clan, and not meant for quick protection in the jungle. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't a hut that only clan members can enter be easilly abused as an inpenetrable fortress to allow a clan to rapage uncontrolled through a town? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 11:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: Not really. Simon could tweak the AP/XP requirements so it becomes *only* shelter from heavy attack (healing, restockage, etc), and not an actual heavy-artillery resistant bunker. Perhaps something could be added that having many people around it affects the AP cost or whatever, or the more people in the clan, the more expensive it is to keep up. This should be as much a hassle as it is a help. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This gives a great advantage to team players over solo players. I'm not clear on how the upkeep would be kept fair - just create a disposable character whose sole purpose is donating AP to the guildhouse (perhaps you could trade such character use with your allies so as to not directly zerg). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:*In the real world, working together as a team does have it's benefits. And if donating 75 AP resulted in 75 IP hits, then zerging would be mitigated.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To stop people using it as a fortress, how about allowing non clan members inside, but whenever they attack, everyone in the room has a chance of hitting them with a melee weapon automaticaly? This is good for realism and stops abuse of the facility, as you can still get your ass whooped if your inside, and an agressor would be roughed up by security. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Cupped Hands and Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=The thirsty bottleless|
suggest_description=You've finally slaughtered that elephant that nearly took all day to kill. Now since you have bled a lot of water out, you go to the creek for a drink. You get there and stoop down to fill your bottle, but it full of salt water! What do you do? Cup your hands and drink directly or dump the salt water out of course!|
suggest_time=09:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

This idea makes a brilliant argument. But have you tried to cup water in your hands, it runns away...so you should only get +1HP back, maybe?

}}

===Use of Ranged Weapons as Melee Weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Anyone with an ranged weapon - rifle, blowpipe or yet-to-be-added...|
suggest_description=A heavy rifle can deliver a fair bit of damage when used as a club. Large blowpipes can likewise deliver some damage when used as a club or cane. Currently however, the game does not support the use of ranged weapons in melee - this suggestion would be to simply modify the game to allow that to happen.|
suggest_time=03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

The odds of hitting should be less, and damage shouldn't be much (less than a machete/cutlass). There should also be a chance of the weapon breaking (as per existing melee weapons).

I disagree that the damage output/hit rate should be less. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to use them as melee weapons, making the point moot.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think giving somebody a whack on the head with a rifle butt would do more to kill somebody than a knife-wound, so i agree with Joe. I do think that they should be able to break, but pipes more easier than rifles. unless you had mastered melee and could put it into someone's eye. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]
::There was some talk about changing the names of some weapons, just for variety - clubs, halbards, axes, other weapons instead of just machetes and cutlasses. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}

===Hut Renovation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New possible action|
suggest_scope=All empty huts.|
suggest_description=I'd like to suggest that players be able to modify the interior flavor text of huts. For instance, many clans occupy buildings and convert them to their own use. A button would become available saying something like "renovate hut." This would allow a player to type in their own flavor text for the hut. To discourage people from vandalizing the huts, the AP cost should be very high. Say, 50 to 75 AP. After all, it takes a lot of effort to clean out a house, even if it is a one room hut. This would allow Czech1, for instance, to customize his tavern to actually LOOK like a tavern. Traders' huts and supply huts could not be modified, naturally.|
suggest_time=14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Another option might be that somehow a hut is tagged as being owned by someone and only they can modify the description. There would have to be some way to lay claim to a hut and some way to prevent it being taken over. Perhaps you have to 'reclaim' the hut once every X days (say 8 for those who only get to play once a week) otherwise it becomes open to all to claim? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. How does one get claim over the hut? Do clans of some sort get first picks over a 'first come' basis, or perhaps an NPC landlord demands payment and shows up at your hut to collect it? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

I like the idea, I especially like me being mentioned lol.. I think that in some cases one can just pick a hut and make it theirs (I've used the same hut for months, and all I did was walk inside one day and make it a tavern, it was empty.) Maybe like, the hut has to be empty for you to lay claim to it? I dunno. --[[User:CzEcH|czech1]]

}}

===Major game change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Combat|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Let's break this down, in order of importance. It's a series of suggestions for more 'realistic' gameplay. Please comment on it even if you hate it.

A)I think that real-time attacking of the NPCs is a brilliant idea. However, it's very frustrating being killed in your sleep, as much as not rewarding killing others in their sleep is. Thus, is it possible to code an 'auto-behaviour' when away so that if someone attacks you, you fight back? That would make combat memorable.

B)Nerf HP to 10 or 20 so that it's more deadly (and realistic), or bump up weapon damage, A LOT. That would make for more 'deadly' encounters. Bumping up weapon damage would also make sure weapon attacks can be differentiated more easily, while right now all attacks do 1 to 4 damage. It would also make the whole 'average dmg per AP' pointless since this ain't a math problem, it's a game. To make sure however that you won't kill 40 people in a single turn, bump the AP cost of an attack to either 5 or an amount depending on the weapon, e.g. a knife would have 3 AP but a halberd 7 etc.

C)Is there a chance combat is instead a 'contested' roll? E.g. Instead of rolling to hit, if someone attacks another in melee, both roll and highest (with mods) is the one who gets to strike and damage. If not, perhaps it'd be great if there was a 'defense' skill too, like every time you're attacked and it doesn't miss, there's an X% that the attack is voided.

D)Speed of a weapon- how often it can attack. Weapons with higher reach like spears should get accuracy bonuses, but those with higher speed should attack more often. That'd probably be caused by a varied amount of AP per 'attack' or 'round' of combat, like I said, 2 AP for a punch, 3 for a knife, 4 for a machete, 5 for a sword, 6 for a spear, 7 for a halberd etc.

|
suggest_time=12:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]]|
suggest_comments=

Some comments (edited/expanded) originally posted on the forum topic: 
(B) I personally wouldn't enjoy much more deadly encounters - swimming with the sharks is dangerous enough, let alone if my characters only had 10/20 hitpoints. Player characters should be special too - not cannon fodder for anyone just walking around killing everything they see. 
(C) It might be a nice tweak if some NPCs were more difficult to fight - perhaps a 'defense' attribute/skill, which is subtracted from the attack percentage? But keep it small values (10-20%) so that you don't get any situations where a low level character can't touch a high level character? Opposed rolls is more complexity - keeping the dynamic simpler would seem to be a good idea, no? 
(D) This is a real time game. It doesn't have 'rounds'. That paradigm doesn't work on the Island. The shartak weapon/combat system is reasonably simple currently - does this really add any value, or just make the game more complex? 
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, everything Johan said. Plus, Shartak has developed in such a way that it is a game of exploration, not a combat oriented first person shooter. Making it deadlier does not make it more realistic, it just makes it more like Doom. If you want realism, how about an NPC police force that gathers evidence on random murders, hunts down the murderer, arrests them and either jails them or executes them? That's what happens in the real world. lol --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Johan's (C) - the defense attribute - is actually already implemented for NPCs and has been for a long time. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible to extend it to PCs as some kind of defense skill or armour-like item. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why not both skills and armour-like items? Skills could perhaps require 'Close quarter combat' as a pre-requisite, 'Close quarter defense' - giving a defense attribute of 10%, and 'Advanced Close quarter defense' adding +10% on top of that? Items could be 'shield' and 'helmet' giving a +10% - and if there was a way for an item to degrade overtime, then newbie outsiders/pirates could perhaps start with an item that gives a +20% as additional newbie protection? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
}}

=== Huts: Body Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New action|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Allow Shartak characters to dump dead bodies outside of huts through a new action button that appears when they're inside a hut and there's a body there. 1 body per 1 AP spent.|
suggest_time=02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

What's the point of this? They're not like in Urbandead when the dead come back to life and eat people. -[[User:Kutless55|Kutless55]] 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:It just strikes me as unrealistic that folk are going to keep dead bodies lying around in huts. Moving the body outside doesn't have much if any game impact beyond allowing folk to clear the huts of bodies.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

::It would be kind of cool to kill someone and dump their body in th river. but what about dumping them in holes and burying them? How would that work? - First Amongst Daves

You carry the body to the river, like an inventory item? Or to the hole. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Villagers as NPCs===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New NPC - Villager|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=This might require extreme coding, but will add to an already fantastic game. Essentially, villagers are NPCs. They are localised to squares entirely surrounded by cleared jungle. There could be ten villagers per square (turning off "see villagers" could be in the preferences to restrict annoyance). A camp needs 50 villagers to maintain an ammo hut, medical hut, shaman, and trader. For every 50 villagers after that, search odds in the huts are improved by 10%. Villagers could be attacked by enemies of the camp, but would have the same stats as elephants (high HP, good defence rate - reflecting reality). This would allow five developments which, in my very humble newbie opinion, might aid the game.

1) Players could all be soldiers/pirates/warriors/scouts/scientists, etc., i.e. playing the hero, without having to play as boring old villagers.

2) Attacks on camps would be meaningful, as lowering the number of villagers will hurt, or even wipe out opposition camps.

3) The Shipwreck would have no villagers, giving the pirates more distinction from outsiders.

4) Maxed-out players might find it more interesting.

5) Players could create new camps (perhaps only maxed-out players could have this new skill, "Colonise").

There could be distinctions between native and outsider villagers, etc. It might be very complicated to spawn new villagers once more squares are cleared as well. Anyway, it's a suggestion, what do you think?|
suggest_time=14:08, 14 March 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this idea a lot. What would be the mechanism for regeneration of villagers? If some version of this is introduced, the old discussion of Defense comes up. There is absolutely 0 means to defend an area in the game right now, thus no way to protect your village(/viallagers) from being killed. I think that some means of defense is a 'must' if this is done. And a combination of this and defense would be a major boost for the game. There are several player-based inherent problems that come up, for example an Armadox or a Keichi or a Long Fin Killie, who freely and prolifically kill their own people, and cant be kicked out of town because the local shaman revives them cheap, might take to slaughtering their own civilians. Then of course there would be people creating alternate accounts specifically to attack these villagers of other towns, e.g. a pirate creating 2 or 3 dalpok natives whose sole goal is using every one of their AP attacking dalpok npc-villagers. (Perhaps local PKers and alt-abusers could be discouraged by having a light curse imposed on any character every time they kill one of their own villagers, 'the spirits are very displeased that you killed one of your own people'). Some means of actually being able to actually damage or even occupy(!) a settlement is thinking down the right path for sure. As of now we have no way of doing so, and this limits the game. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC

Hmmm, not bad. But attacking npcs to hurt a town would make it like a Halo Oddball game. Perhaps you'd get cursed even if you just TRY to attack (ie. miss) a friendly npc villager. But healing them won't curse you. They'd die just like everyone else too!
They could respawn just like every other npc. But make them have professions. Like blacksmith, farmer, woodcutter, sculptor, etc. They could also wander around town, you know, like real village people.
On the screen you can see them as an outsider and if you hover your mouse over them, they show the blacksmith or such. Like.. 10 villagers per camp. The shipwreck should have crewmen, the cook and the cabin boy! -[[User:Elegost55|Elegost55]] 08:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

These are good points alright. I would imagine that defence should be down to the players - although I like the idea of a "wall" square, similar to heavy jungle. Attackers would have a 20% chance of chopping it, and have to chop it twice to get through. Once inside the camp, if villagers are ten to a square, and have the stats of elephants, the attacker will have to be quite brave to go it alone. Large-scale attacks (as in real life) will be the only way to go, and given the nature of the game, and of th'innernet itself, defenders will have some warning of large-scale attacks and can work out a defence plan.

In relation to attacking your own villagers, this should result in them attacking you - a 2HP fine per AP-used until you leave the camp - and you would never be allowed back again. This exile-type character would appeal to some.

I like the idea of real jobs, it would add colour to the game. I'd leave this up to Simon, though - if he does go to all the trouble of coding this, he should have the fun of making up villager roles (i.e. "In this square are two Farmhands, a Town Drunk, a Blacksmith, and a Lady of Negotiable Virtue"). -[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]


}}

===Vow of Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=PKing opt out improvement|
suggest_scope=Any characters where the player decides to opt their character out of pking|
suggest_description=A vow of peace could be sought from any of the NPC Shamans. Such a vow has the following effects:
 
(i) The character who has taken the vow cannot be attacked by another character. Any attempt to attack results in no AP consumption, and the message "such-and-such has taken a vow of peace - the spirits of the land prevent you from attacking them". 
(ii) The character who has taken the vow cannot attack another character, without confirming the attack. Confirming the attack results in immediate damage to the effect of half the character's hp - "As punishment for breaking your vow, you are wracked with pain as wounds appear on your body". 
Taking a vow of peace would require that the character sacrifice one of: 
500 AP (as they meditate at the feet of the shaman, they can't play the character for nearly a week); OR 
1000 GP (only 18 characters currently have that much); OR 
2000 XP (only high level characters who've maxed out).
 
I realise that there are those who find the pk'ing element exciting or vital to their game - please realise (and perhaps respect) that there are those of us who have tired of it, don't find it exciting and not vital to OUR game. There's lots said about how Shartak is the game that you make it - it's hard to do that if you're constantly being involved in someone else's game.|
suggest_time=05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this, this isn't just somebody's way of getting out of an annoying game feature, this is kind of like a way of life. You'd have to bend your character around the vow, rahter than just buying it and laughing. I'm not going to take it, but I can see why people would like to, and I support that --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 06:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. I would make a few minor alterations to this suggestion though. Instead of attack attempts resulting in no AP consumption, perhaps they should use the normal amount of AP but the spirits of the land prevent the blow from reaching its target. Not sure about the AP cost to get it enabled - perhaps 5 days worth instead of 7? Also, if you break the vow and are wounded, maybe you should start bleeding from those wounds in a similar manner to being bitten by a shark. Any more comments? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like this, definitely needs some work though.
Perhaps rather than taking 5/7 days worth of ap, it halves peoples AP for a week? I see people taking a vow of peace and never coming back to the game, due to getting bored waiting.
I'm not sure about the bleeding, maybe something more, ''spirity'' but with a similar effect? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 21:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Policy Discussion===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!


}}

===Snakes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Event|
suggest_scope=Grasslands|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when searching grasslands, there is a slight chance to find a poison snake, which will then bite you. I propose a small change. In additon to biting for 3 damage, make it so the poison effects the player for the next three actions, similar to a poison dart. |
suggest_time=02:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=
Shouldn't detract from the game, adds a little more realism at no cost apart from discouraging some people from searching grasslands. Sounds good to me. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Snakes would also explain where the natives derive toxin for their darts. - First Amongst Daves

}}

===Gun Smiths===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses guns|
suggest_description=Back in the 1700's rich aristocrats would have custom firearms made for them. What I am proposing is that the outsider settlements be given a gunsmith. For a substantial fee these gun smiths could make improvements on your guns. These changes wouldn't be instant so you would have to come back later. Some of these improvements could be increased ammo capacity, more barrels on the gun, make it cause more damage etc. To keep it balanced the better the improvement the more it would cost and the longer it would take to do.|
suggest_time= 19:25, 12 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Only if guns are made breakable and the natives get a blowpipesmith. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Breakable (misfire/blowing up in hands/etc) guns are partially implemented - I have a few bits to finish off first though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
see my suggestion native temples [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Additional Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Pirates/Outsiders|
suggest_description=
As discussed here - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,364.15.html - Why not have a fleet of ships sitting offshore from the wreck, anchored and not moving? Say, five of them, each with masts, holds and the other features which we see on the shipwreck. Only accessible from the ocean by climbing the chain from the anchor to the deck.

A few benefits:

1. it explains the proliferation of pirates on the island. No one expects such a huge number of pirates from one vessel.

2. it gives pirates and people tempting the dangers of the shipwreck something new to explore, and potential turf wars between pirates. Some of the wrecks could have particular dangers or advantages - for example, a hold in one ship could have an abundance of gems, and another be filled with rats. While I'm suggesting five ships offshore from the shipwreck, it could just as easily be three, or it could be ten. The idea is to have several in any event. It would get the pirates engaged in intrigue against each other over turf, and make the area more attractive to other players.

3. it takes the place of the numerous huts you see in villages, which the shipwreck lacks.

Incidental to this suggestion is to have other ships sitting offshore from the outsider villages - there is a natural inlet north-west of York which I figured would be a suitable harbour. Other non-pirate ships at other strategic places, like the abandoned ruins are, but specifically offshore the settlements to explain how the settlers got there. This idea includes a ship on a river, to make the rivers even more interesting, and a ship beneath the eastern marsh, to attract players out there. All of those ships could be taken by any group determined enough to do so - pirates, natives, outsiders - maybe with roaming shamans nearby to assist.

This suggestion does not require any new coding innovation - you would simply replicate the coding for the shipwreck, but at other locales.

So, in summary with some suggestions on locations for other ships:

1. one ship in Unity Bay near the island

2. one ship in the Long Fin River delta given the number of players in the locality

in addition to:

3. the eastern swamp, to encourage travel to that region

4. the harbour north of York, giventhe large numbers of people in York and the amount of traffic that route gets

and of course:

5. the flotilla at the wreck, of 3+ ships

6. a ship in the water at each settlement.

Finally, the shipwreck only has one mast. While it may be that other mast were destroyed in the wreck, a one masted sloops is an unlikely choice of pirate ship. Corvettes and frigates had three masts. I am guessing it would be possible to easily create three masted ships.|
suggest_time=15 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

* Does it only have one mast or is it just one mast that you can climb? It wouldn't be easy to create one with 3 masts that you can climb unless it occupied 3 separate map blocks and that would make for a very large ship. Moving the ships around would be quite complicated indeed and would be prone to people disappearing into non-existent map areas or being left stranded at the top of the mast with no way to get down. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not moving the ships then? And if the original shipwreck is actualy a one mast sloop, then why couldn't the frigates/corvettes take up three squares? it makes more sense than having a sloop the size of a frigate. This is all ofcourse, based on the size of the shipwreck...just ignore me and carry on...--[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 19:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:Assuming GPS co-ords are correct, isn't 1 block about 100m ? Were ships 300m long? We're talking roughly 900ft... seems awfully big. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Simon, yes, I figured the mechanics of moving ships would be too difficult. The suggestion is that the ships are static, effectively "landmarks' at sea for people to climb over. They would not move, but be anchored at sea and approachable only from the sea. As for the masts, wouldn't the easiest thing simply be to have three options in one square, like you have with the shipwreck (the hold, the armoury, the galley)? "Climb main mast", "climb aft mast" and "Climb mizzen mast" would be options for players, all on the one square. - Dave
:::If they were fake masts then yes, that could be done. The current ship has a real mast where when you go up, you actually go up to a level above everything else. Shartak has a 4D map (x,y,z,inside), unlike UD that has a psuedo-3D (x,y,in_or_out) - it's hard to explain, but going up from one block to 3 different blocks just won't work. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Simon, how does Shartak handle multiple huts in the same square? If the masts were treated as 'huts' instead of up/down movement, perhaps that might work? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, exactly the same sort of thing. - Dave
::::::Huts are treated as inside, because that's what they are. The difference between up/down and inside is that there can be multiple levels of inside but only 1 up/down. Hard to explain really without lots of complicated diagrams, but it allows all kinds of interesting tricks with the map such as tunnels that can cross over even at the same depth without actually becoming a crossroads. It does make generating the map somewhat awkward at times though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since Masts don't essentially take you anywhere - and assuming the rigging is such that it's impossible to venture from one mast to another - for this suggestion at least, treating Masts as Huts would seem to work as a solution? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Native Temples===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Natives|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to try to balance out the gun smith suggestion but I think it should be a separate suggestion. A blowpipesmith wouldn't make sense but a martial arts temple would. Each native village would have a temple and each would teach a unique fighting style and sell unique sets of weapons. A lot of native tribes back then had really awesome fighting styles. Even if you don't like the gun smith idea I think this would help balance things for the natives.|
suggest_time=13 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Fair enough, not a bad idea. But if you want that, and gunsmiths, then its unbalanced for pirates. http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Items#Flintlock_Pistols my Golden oldie of a suggestion balances this. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good I can't wait to get a pistol.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

The suggestion is very old now, i made it when i first came onto the game. Its unlikely that Simon will implement it now, sadly. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, November -> March was a pretty busy time. As Kenny said, I might just be waiting for the right time (got to keep the balance between native/outsider after all). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

He may still put pistols in the game, he might just be waiting for the right time to do it.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Trader Shipments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=My suggestion is that once a week or month traders get re-supplied from the mainland. With this previously rare items like shovels will be temporarily cheaper.|
suggest_time=11:07 April 16|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

This is good, but only if some settlements get shipments of an item and others don't. Economies are built on scarcity. Think about the price of rifles in most Outsider settlements. They are non-consumables, never need to be replaced once a player has enough rifles, so they have virtually no value at the trader's hut. The consumables, which must be constantly replenished (eg: first aid kits), are the more valuable commodities. Dumping a large shipment of any one item would cause the trade value of that item to plummet, thereby nerfing those players who scavenge and sell as their main occupation in the game. On the other hand, if the shipments arrive unevenly (eg: first aid kits to Derby and shovels to Durham) then scavengers would have a reason to travel. --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 11:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:At the risk of giving away too much info, shovels are not something that can be found. I believe the traders trade items for the raw materials and sit in their huts making the shovels themselves. After all, it's not like they're busy all the time. It keeps the prices up as they can only make one or two a day. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Class change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill fettling|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently people are stuck in whatever class they've chosen, often leaving them unable to get skills they would find useful for whatever they're ''actually'' doing.

So i'm suggesting a possible way to help these people, by offering a class change option which could be implemented by having it as an option that'd cost however much your next skill would cost, may also work as a temporary (single use) skill that allows a class change. possibly just giving you back the XP/levels you spent on any class-specific skills and dropping your level to match.|
suggest_time=08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Htkl|Htkl]]|
suggest_comments=

Any penalty for changing classes should be fairly hefty IMO. I think today I'll be a shaman, exorcise those spirits, ok now I want to be a villager to get the better scavenging search rates, and then having found all the herbs I need, I'll switch to a warrior and go take out some animals. Unless I've misunderstood the suggestion, giving back the XP for class specific skills could lead to this kind of thing. You should lose the XP for class specific skills - now that would be a sufficient deterrent to frivolous class switching. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think 100 XP is a reasonable return, I'm even tempted to suggest it as a standard game mechanic. --[[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Extra Revive Option===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=people who die|
suggest_description=I propose that we add an option to contact a shaman at a village other than the one you start at for 50 AP. You would be able to pick which village you respawn at.|
suggest_time=May 16 13:23|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

I think that if you should die in a foreign village, you should also be able respawn there or at your home shaman if you choose. Spawning anywhere sounds too much like teleportation. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 17:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Originally you could respawn at the nearest shaman if you were stood on the same square. This led to some rather tedious XP farming with two opposing sides sat on the shaman square in Dalpok and as soon as you died, you were revived and got killed again. Let's please try not to go there again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah I see, I've never actually died so I'm a little newbish in the death department. Maybe if it was possible to tell how far away the closest roaming shaman was, determined by squares from where you died. Or if thats too precise perhaps work it like your home beacon: Roaming Shaman 50AP (Very far east) --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 01:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Ok, I logged into my idle test pirate. 'es dead.
:What if outsiders could be revived in another outsider town if they are in it and natives could be revived in another native town if they are in it. Pirates would remain the same. [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Well===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New inanimate object|
suggest_scope=Everyone in a village|
suggest_description=Being a friendly fellow, I like to use my healing herbs on others and drink water for healing myself. The problem is, I have to treck a long distance to find any form of fresh water. What I propose is that in the center of every village there be a well. The well would be equipped with a bucket that would be used to bring water up from the well. For 1 AP, you can bring up the bucket that will be full of fresh water. Clicking on an empty gourd or bottle in your inventory would fill it with water, costing 1 AP each. After taking 10 scoops of water, it would need to be refilled for 2 AP (1 to drop the bucket, 1 to bring it back up). If you happen to attempt to get water from an empty bucket (0AP) a message would appear "The bucket is empty. Perhaps you should fill it back up with water."

The well would have an ingame graphic and would have a description of whether the bucket is down or up - "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is raised to the top." / "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is somewhere down below."
|
suggest_time=17:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]]|
suggest_comments=


Hmmmm...awesome! I'm sure some clever person will think of a reason why this shouldn't be thought about, but right now, I think this is pretty good. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I like drinking water! -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 13:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Another endorsement of this suggestion - more ways to get fresh water (healing) sounds like a good improvement - and given the distance from some native settlements to bodies of fresh water, this would help explain where the traders get all their bottled water from. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Waves to erase Beach Writing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game tweak|
suggest_scope=Writing on the Beach.|
suggest_description=From time to time wave activity on the beaches should have a random chance to corrupt, partially erase or fully erase the writing in the sand.

'Shark free swim zone' could for example be corrupted to 'Fark free ... zone' or partially erased to 'Shark ... swim ...'.|
suggest_time=03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this one very much. --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Pollution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environmental effect|
suggest_scope=Litterbugs, people near them|
suggest_description=Whether you believe the spirits are punishing you for waste or the rats just like to lick the empty bottles, dropping tons of items has to have an effect. Items dropped are tallied daily and used to update the environmental status of the area like jungle growth. More polluted areas are more likely to turn up items in a search but are less likely to be useful. If an area is polluted enough there is a chance that increases with pollution that one could be damaged by walking through, searching, or staying for a prolonged time. Pollution can be cleaned up with a shovel.|
suggest_time=08:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Idle Characters===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Idle character event|
suggest_scope=Any non donor characters who have been idle for 8 weeks or greater.|
suggest_description=Per Simon's input to a discussion on the forum - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,502.msg15514.html#msg15514:

<blockquote>"The inactivity timeline would be something like:
 
Idle 1 week - you "disappear" from the map (taken steps to hide yourself from people and animals).
 
1-2 weeks - an email would be sent out informing you that your character has hidden and is safe from attack. This is sometimes enough to prompt people to return to Shartak, although I've not sent any out for a while.
 
8 weeks - your body is discovered and you're automatically dead because you starved to death or something. The discovery of your body causes you to be dragged back to your home town and dumped in the graveyard (now visible on the map as a decomposing corpse).
 
After 8 weeks of being inactive, your body is then vulnerable to grave robbers (search corpse button appears when in that square) and you may find that you return after a long break to find you have nothing in your inventory, but at least you're at home.
 
Perhaps we could even have it so that instead of being dragged back to your home town, your decomposing body is just left wherever you were. Once your inventory is empty and someone searches your corpse, you'd enter a final state where you don't appear on the map again (body disintegrates completely)."</blockquote>

This suggestion got several positive comments from forum members.
|
suggest_time=11:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Discussion with Entropy resulted in a slight modification - leave player with one weapon (either a machete or cutlass) - assuming they had one to start with. That way they're not completely stuck if they contact roaming shaman and end up in the middle of d10 jungle miles from anywhere. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
: I much prefer the idea the latter idea that your body would be found where or near where you were last active. I say 'near where' since it seems more realistic to find bodies of those who drowned in deep water on the beaches of Shartak or the smaller Islands. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


}}

===Terrain Without Trekking Changes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement.|
suggest_scope=Newbies/players without Trekking.|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when a player doesn't have Trekking, while jungle density 0 squares are .5 AP per, other types of terrain which should also be .5 AP per square are, instead, 1 AP per. These include settlements at density 0 (despite that the jungle is .5 AP, movement inside settlements is 1 AP), Grasslands, and Beaches. I propose these be changed. |
suggest_time=02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=

To me density 0 jungle is dirt with maybe some short grass - solid ground with obvious paths and easy to walk through. Grasslands is more like grassland savannahs with grass high enough to hide a tiger in, and high grass is a bit tough to walk through and find a path in. Walking through beaches can be tough too - sand isn't very solid and continually gives. Don't know about the town, makes more sense to walk faster through there, unless there are a lot of imaginary people or trash in the streets.
* Well said mystery commenter. The only one that might be sensible to change is the town - I probably missed something in the code. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Outposts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement!!! =p|
suggest_scope=Clans and overpopulation|
suggest_description=Outpost: A location that acts as a base of operations for a clan and containing a “home shaman” for that clan.|
suggest_time=01:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Pardus|Pardus]]|
suggest_comments=

Things that I’m leaving completely open for debate: Almost everything, including how they are gained and lost, what other things they’ll contain (if any), well basically everything, more interested in getting the basic idea on the table. [[User:Pardus|Pardus]]

I think a Shaman is a bit much, but I dont see why the odd hut in the middle of nowhere cant have some kind of basic trader or searching hut. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 20:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

* maybe player shaman revives, hmmm? --[[User:Lama|Lama]] 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Monuments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Descriptions|
suggest_description=Monuments would be the same as signposts, but they would be harder to make, to destroy and instead of driftwood they would be made with sharpening stones. 
These player made creations are meant to record certain important events for a long time, and even though signposts can be used to do this, they are usually destroyed fairly qickly because of their weakness. 
It would take about 20 sharpening stones as well as 50 AP to create a monument and 50 hits would be needed to destroy one. 
This should make sure that people don't "monument spam" determined areas and at the same time it would discourage vandals to eliminate parts of history. 
Once created, monuments would display the text "There is a stone monument here. It reads" followed by the creator's message. 
Unless it is difficult or impossible to program, it could be possible to place both a signpost and a monument on the same square. 

Original discussion can be found here: [http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,633.0.html] 

The entire suggestion is not mine, though, it is based on the ideas of G3N, Tomn, Cthulhu, Black Joe and others who posted in the thread mentioned above.|
suggest_time=16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Can't have sign and monument on the same block (or monument and hut/tree/etc). I don't see sharpening stones being all that useful for building monuments either - I'm thinking they're about 2 inches wide, perhaps an inch thick, and maybe 4-6 inches long. What you'd be wanting is a pickaxe and be able to "harvest" large rocks from the mountain sides or tunnels. These rocks would take 2 inventory spaces and every 4 rocks carried would impose an extra 1AP movement cost.. etc etc oh dear, it's all getting a bit complicated now! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

: A pickaxe would be nice, but complicated, indeed.
:However, large rocks could be found on jungle squares, just like driftwood can be found on the beach.
:Instead 20 sharpening stones and 50 AP it would take 10 large stones and 10 AP to build a monument (finding the stones will be hard enough by itself).
:I think that another way to simulate its weight would be having it take up 5 inventory spaces. --[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 09:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


}}

Suggestions:Game mechanics

2007-08-28T16:53:04Z

0000FF Beard: /* Game Mechanics */ Monuments

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Game mechanics}}

== Game Mechanics ==

=== Conversion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=When an Outsider/Native dies they are reborn as a Native (don't really understand the spirit thing too well). The Outsiders then get a new class/skill, "Religious Conversion" that requires a "Holy Scripture". This allows a "Priest" to convert one native into a Outsider". The converted native would most likely start off as a Settler.|
suggest_time=23:22, 16 February 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I believe that Natives are reborn as Natives and Outsiders are reborn as Outsiders, but I could be wrong. From a game balance perspective, I am not in favor of type-swapping skills unless Natives are presented with an ability to counter or convert Outsiders as well. It does fit nicely with the theme though. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 23:41, 16 February 2006 (GMT)

*That would probably be the shamans job, however it may have worked for Urban Dead but I don't think it will work in this game as whichever group has the most players to begin with will, once conflicts begin to arise, dominate by switching people from the side they are on the side the priest/"whatever the natives use" side making you able to graph one groups population by looking at the graph pop=(1/2)^x. Also since there wouldn't seem to be a way, short of finding a converter player to switch you back, to go back to playing as you once did would make the amount of people on one side quickly die off (even though thats what would happen in real life, favouring the outsiders) it would be a very unfun aspect of the game. And really these are HOSTILE natives, or so it seems, why would they let some devilman outsider tell it how it is? They wouldn't, they would simply spear them and laugh! In short all the converting ideas suck, I know I wouldn't want to log on to find I'm playing for the wrong side. -- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 10:55, 17 February 2006 (GMT)

*So that means if my soldier dies, he's reborn as a native? Not only that, but to become an outsider again, first I would have to find a priest (which would be next to impossible with such a small number of players), and then he could convert me into a settler. That means I'll never be able to be a soldier again, which is a real punch in the throat for RPers. -- Grigoriy

*All valid points. I guess this wouldn't really work we have the same number of players as Urban Dead. But this would be a great way to balance out the sides later on. Say there are too many natives, you just drop more "conversion items" and balance out the sides. Too many Outsiders? Just drop the number of conversion items. Doubt it would catch on though. --[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]] 02:44, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

*Conversion doesn't have to be forced. It could require action on both sides, like a native doning a religious item and an outsider using the skill on that native. After all, conversion isn't real without true faith. The native counter to this could be similar, requiring an outsider to die holding a packet of that headshrinking powder while a shaman uses the Zombification (ala Haitian witchcraft) skill. -- frisco

*You don't change class or anything when you die. --[[User:Murk|Murk]] 12:31, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I gave a response to this idea under "Holy Scriptures," I think, offering another idea for it that may piss a lot less people off. *points over there*--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:15, 29 March 2006 (BST)

}}

=== Capturing villages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Since this is like some war between Outsiders and Natives I thought this appropriate. If all the (say) Outsiders are killed in York and there are none left, then it becomes a Native village and vice versa. Probably needs harder requirements to capture settlements though. Maybe each side could have one permanent place that can never change hands?|
suggest_time=03:41, 1 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*Not sure about this - what about all the idle players within the village? They might "wake up" after a couple of weeks to find they're in enemy territory. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:00, 1 March 2006 (GMT)

*You could have it so idle players goto the nearest friendly village-- [[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 02:58, 3 March 2006 (GMT)

*Turf control in a limited AP browser game like this just invites lame zerging behavior. I don't like it. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 00:00, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*Not villages, perhaps 3x3 square 'forts'? --[[User:Grigoriy|Grigoriy]] 01:10, 4 March 2006 (GMT)

*I do like the idea, but I think Jackel's observation hits a key point. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*Agreed with Jackel and Lint and Simon. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT) Additionally:
** Please don't impose your assumption that Shartak is at heart a "war between Outsiders and Natives" on the rest of us. That is not the only possible direction in which this game can go. For example, an Outsider village might turn out to be populated by a trading company that views the other Outsider villages as competitors whose extermination would be good for business, but it could just as easily develop into a peaceful scientific outpost, a pirate haven of drunken debauchery, or a missionary settlement devoted to finding the Natives and learning their language (gotta spread that old time religion). I believe it would be better to keep the objectives more freeform, and let the players create the course of history. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
** On a hopefully more helpful and positive note, one could simulate/approximate capturing a village by amassing an army of suitable size, carving messages of ownership all over the territory of the village in question, killing all members of the village, and repeatedly killing the village shaman so they can't get back as easily. (Ouch. I hope no armchair megalomaniacs out there have been taking notes.) --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 13:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)


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=== Unique skills ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=I think that each class should start off with one unique skill that the others may never aquire. That way it stops all the classes from becoming too generic. For example Settlers could have a "farming" skill, Soldiers could have a "bravery" skill, etc. Or mabey they could just have a attribute like Soldiers have an extra 10% chance of striking the target, Warriors have an extra 10% chance of finding animals, Settlers have an extra 10% chance of finding an item, Scouts have a 3% chance of recovering 1 HP per AP spent, etc.|
suggest_time=02:34, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

*I am in favor of this (if it is not in effect currently). We'd have to work out the details to make sure each class is getting their fair share, but something that encourages players to try other classes or team up with other players using different classes for a better playing experience sounds good to me. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)

*I am in favor of each class being able to acquire (but not necessarily starting off with) a unique skill or attribute that the others may never acquire. Sounds to me like the kind of thing that would be unlocked as one's reward for a rite of passage, rather than granted as a right of birth. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 12:53, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Perhaps a Research skill of some kind for the Scientist, maybe allowing them an advantage when doing things with dead animals (would need something to do with dead animals, obviously!).[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 16:09, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

*Pirates should have a skill to steal their fallen enemies' gold coins. Arr. Would probably result in a lot of outsider in-fighting, though, and outsiders are currently outnumbered.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:18, 29 March 2006 (BST)

*I agree with this as well. It seems Shartak is on the way to giving each class their own benefits (Soldiers/Warriors with gun skills, Settlers/Villagers with animal affinity etc.), but so far only a few have been made unique. At present there is really no point to being a scientist. He starts with 10 gold coins... what the? So I'm pushing for each class to have at least one unique skill they can purchase with XP. --[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]] 11:50, 3 June 2006 (BST)

*I feel the introduction of the unique skill system would make the game much more interesting. but i disagree with the idea that people should just start off with one, rather i feel it should be purchased like the other skills on offer. Additionally rather they have one skill strand/branch like that of the gun skill or animal affinity, it would be interesting and more fun to have a multiple skill branches in line with the specific character classes, like for instance giving the soldiers/warrior classes defensive skill strands in additional to their offensive ones. Furthermore there should be distinctions between the native & outsider classes so they’re similar yet different. Like for instance the firearm/blowpipe skill upgrades are currently identical, I hope in future they could be retooled to promote native/outsider gameplay differences. --[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]] 03:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:*A for Anarchy is right about warrior/soldiers skill trees. One idea to lively things up is for Native warriors to get a skill allowing them to manufacture a poison dart if they have a bunch of poisonous berries. This will allow them to not have to go back to their home villages to restock on ammo, they could 'live off the land' by simply searching the local poisonous berry bushes and making poison darts themselves. Soldiers should get something else, in line with the theme of the game. (Of course if it was up to me, the whole ranged weapon system would be overhauled. Another problem with ranged weapons is that they are useless to non-soldierwarriors) [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

}}

=== Pet System ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=All classes|
suggest_description=I will combine aspects of the '''Animal''' and '''Pirate''' suggestions and propose a pet system that allows you to tame one of the animals on the island. First, you have to weaken the animal. Then you throw a sphere device at it and shout "SHARTAK SPHERE! GO!" for 1 AP. There's a slight chance that you have captured and tamed the animal. The more powerful the animal, the less success chance. You earn no XP for taming an animal. Players can only have 1 pet at a time. They can release a pet whenever they want. If the owner dies, the pet runs away. Pets have fixed HP, attack, and accuracy based on the type of animal they are (ie. they do not level up or heal, just to keep it simple to design). They follow the player around and only attack when the player attacks. It would be nice if they attacked while you were not playing, but auto-defense mechanisms are unnecessary. Enemy animals randomly determine whether they are attacking the owner or the pet. Other players will have an option for targeting the owner or pet. There is no XP gained for attacking or killing a pet to deter any attempts at farming pet killing (I can't believe we even have to consider preventing such a thing). For added flavor, owners can name their pets.|
suggest_time=08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*ROTFL. Sounds a bit like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (don't worry, I'm not a fan, I have kids that were!). Perhaps instead of spheres, you could keep the monkeys on a leash, heal a tiger or elephant to make it less likely to attack you, tame deer by feeding them, etc. Some animals like the wild boar would have to be pretty difficult to tame. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 15:14, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
*I was with you right up until you got to the "sphere device" bit, and I rejoined you afterwards. ;) The rest of your suggestion otherwise seems to be pretty well thought out. Personally, I'd prefer to attempt to tame the animal into becoming a pet purely by offering it food, rather than "weakening" it by other means. Especially since food is scarce enough that offering it to an animal would be a real sacrifice and therefore an interesting decision for the player to make. --[[User:Berry|Berry]] 14:49, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*I will confess that I had a lot of fun with the references. The problem I have with using an existing item to tame a pet is how to implement it. The player can't click on the fruit, because that will just heal themselves. And I think it is unecessary to redesign fruits like First Aid Kits and Medical Herbs, just so they can feed it to an animal. And a database check to see if the player possesses a fruit before providing a "tame" command seems awkward. Perhaps there is just one item called "animal bait" (from the Trade Hut most likely). It works much like a FAK or Herb, but can only be applied to animals (though there will be a "Yourself" option by default for those players that decide they enjoy the taste). Animals will then have a value called "tame count" in the database. For each successful feeding, this number is incremented. When a specific number is reached, the monster is successfully tamed. If a monster is killed, the number is reset to 0. Acquiring a pet should not reduce the population of animals on the island (ie. one should respawn to take its place). Furthermore, those with '''Animal Affinity''' should have a better taming success rate. (This is another attempt to give Villagers and Settlers a little boost.) --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:32, 7 March 2006 (GMT)
*This idea, while somewhat interesting, is not very realitic. The animals of the island are wild. In reality, tigers, elephants, deer, "WILD boars" etc can only be made LESS WILD by extensive and careful training and handling when they are young, not be tamable by any means, certainly not enough to follow a person around and fight on their behalf. Maybe it would be possible with parrots and monkeys, but if Simon is going to implement changes, I'd rather see some of the more believable ones first. I do agree with Lint that it would give more value to '''Animal Affinity'''. Animal attacks, even from a tiger or elephant (which would realistically be very dangerous) are hardly to be feared, making this skill currently seem pretty useless.

* ''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]] on 21:47, 24 March 2006:''

as the name reades, simply have "pets" as a survivor living in the jungle, my first instinct would be to find support, in this case we could add a "tame animal" button, which would be clicked to tame an animal, the starting catching % would be something like 10% and could be improved the more the animal is damaged, like at 1hp, if full health was 10hp then you'd have 55% of catching it, (i added 5% for every 10% missing from the creature's health)
this could also be improved with new skills such as

*Amateur Catching Skills (adds 10%)
**Catching Skills (adds 15%, doesnt stack)
***Taming Skills (adds 30%)
*Net (adds 10%, does stack)

certain animals could be ridden, other would do funny things or find objects for you, ex:
Mr. Bobo the monkey finds a bottle of rum in your pocket "gee i didnt know i had that"

elephants, large stags, and tigers could be ridden, small stags would haveto grow up before being ridden, after like, 10 days, or 20 kills they would mature, its all just theory...

parrots could become like flares, ex: Mr. TweetTweet flies towards you and drops a message "help, im at X, Y and there's a native village!"

the parrot could also say messages randomly, players (upon catching a parrot) would be given 10 slots and would type things into them, the parrots would randomly say one, ex:
you attack elephant, Mr. TweetTweet says "polly want a cracker"

animals could also act like extra space, like a backpack, if you will.
animals are named upon capture.

''The following is a Pet suggestion made by [[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 15:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*1. Create several new skills, with Animal Affinity as a prerequisite:
**Small Animal Training (base 25% chance of success): by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a small animal (monkey, parrot or small deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random fun thing visible to thos around you. eg: a parrot might tell a little joke, the monkey might do a little dance, and the deer just stands there looking irrestibly cute.
***Large Animal Training (base 10% chance of success)by expending a unit of Animal Feed, you can convert a large animal (elephant, tiger or large deer) into a friendly pet. This would function mechanically just like any other item in your inventory, except when clicked on it does some random thing. eg: a elephant might trumpet majestically, the tiger might roar, and the deer does, umm, impressive deer stuff.
**Combat Trained Animals: Allows the possessor to command their large or small animal to attack. Mechanically this makes the previously trained animals into weapons. Small animals hit at 50%, doing 1 point of damage. Large Animals hit at 10%, but do 5 points of damage. With each attack, there would be a chance similar to that of a machete to go dull or break, in the case of an animal, though, it dies or runs off, and is therefore lost.
*2. Create an item called "Animal Feed". It would be available from the traders, for approximately the same as a FAK. It is used up by rolling either Train Animal skill, whether the roll is successful or not. In the case of Combat Trained Animals, it might be expended in a manner similar to a rifle's bullets. Not sure about that last part, though. lol


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=== Forest Fire ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, natural disasters|
suggest_scope=Terrain|
suggest_description=This is a potential temporary minigame that will either lead to players to band together and save the island or perhaps just lead to all-out chaos. A fire script is created which designates one block as fire (it is identified by a little fire.gif in the background). Every 20 minutes the fire script will check if there is <del>Grassland or</del> Jungle nearby with density from 1-10. If there is, it spreads to the next block. It will not spread to any other terrain (including villages and ruins). Thus, the best way to prevent the spread of the fire is by chopping vegetation down to 0. The initial fires will be placed randomly around the island. Actions performed in a fire occupied space deal 2 damage. For this event to be more devious, there should be a means to quickly restore vegetation (dropping driftwood, planting fruit, watering with gourds).|
suggest_time=03:58, 17 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

*I like some things about this suggestion, I think it could work really nicely if there was also a rain algorithingamajig, so that maybe, if some part of the island dried out, wildfires could break out, or if it rained too much villages could flood and get swamped. Its a neat idea. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 04:55, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
* I like the idea of rain and fire, however there's no telling if the server would handle the database access/calculations required when the number of players gets into the range that Urban Dead has. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:17, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** I thought it might be a bit much. Ah well. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:32, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
** Not the idea of fire itself, that may well be quite feasible. I meant having rain causing flooding, or not enough rain leading to fires might be a bit awkward.. unless I can think of some way to reduce the work that needs to be done regularly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:38, 18 March 2006 (GMT)
* Maybe fires could also destroy huts, and then there could be a skill to rebuild them. Maybe even give people the ability to start their own fires. It might make for interesting tribal wars. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:22, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Imagine what would happen if an ammo hut caught on fire!--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 04:32, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** I kind of wanted to restrict fires to the Jungle (removed my Grasslands comment from the original suggestion) since a lot of Huts provide resources for starting players and players that have just been revived. I think it would be unfair to prevent them with the opportunity to gather supplies. As a tactic, it may also be unfair. Native villages appear to be completely surrounded by burnable Jungle, while Outsider villages are bordered by the Beach. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:46, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** Good point. The pirates would be completely free of burning too. I still think a way to temporarily damage structures could be fun -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 19:59, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
** As a general rule, real world jungles don't burn terribly well, although there are a few notable exceptions (such as the Indonesian forest fires in 1997-98). Grasslands, however, burn quite regularly, and in fact such fires are necessary for the good health of the grass. Fire kills off sapling trees in the area which would otherwise grow to the point that they overshadowed and killed the grass. I don't know whether the game has any grasslands large enough to make this kind of thing interesting, though. --[[User:Jackdaw|Jackdaw]] 15:55, 25 March 2006 (GMT)

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=== Auto Attack ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=I've never liked the fact that while I am away from the game, things can happen to my character, like being chewed on by a tiger or slashed with a machette. How about a setting where you can turn your character on to auto attack anything that hits you. It should, of course, be user selected. This would change the game mechanics a bit, as you could no longer move in on a target and attack it withough fear of a counter-strike. To me this is far more realistic, in that even if you are sleeping, when somebody hits you, you're going to wake up and do something about it with whatever engery you have left.

An alternative selectable action might be an auto-run. You can pre-specify the direction you want to run and how many squares upon being hit. A character with trekking could stay alive just by running a few square whenever they are hit.|
suggest_time=02:34, 20 March 2006 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Qberry|Qberry]]|
suggest_comments=

* The main problem with this is that players will be discouraged from attacking other players, as this will become extremely dangerous, and the native warrior who wants the outsiderts out will effectively be penalised.[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 15:47, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Sorry, but I don't like this. I feel that that this will lead to interactions with players that are no different than interacting with an NPC. Could someone theoretically max themselves out by just leaving this option on and checking in every now and then to make sure they haven't become a spirit? --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 17:28, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* Yeah, I'm not a fan of being able to do something by not doing something, such as fighting or running without being there to fight or run. Also, would it be free of AP and IP hits, or would it be possible to come back and have no AP or hits left? It seems like these problems would wreck any sort of auto action. I can understand not enjoying being macheted while away, but I don't see any way around this. -[[User:BananaBear|BananaBear]] 18:20, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* I must admit that I don't like the idea all that much, but if it was implemented it would probably be something that was user configurable. I don't think running away would make sense, but fighting back does. For example, no more than X AP to be used fighting back until you next log back in, and they wouldn't be used unless you had more than Y AP left. This way you could set X to 10 and Y to 6 and if you ran out of AP, set those values, it would be 2 hours (6 x 20m) before you were likely to attack, and it would use no more than 10 AP fighting back. Because the values are configurable, it would be hard to know who would fight back and who wouldn't. Setting X to 0 would disable the feature. I think probably the attacks would gain XP if successful, same as normal, but because you wouldn't be able to set the number of AP to use to more than your max AP value, it would be impossible to level up a character by simply leaving them alone (not to mention you would disappear from the map after being idle for a bit). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:01, 20 March 2006 (GMT)
* i like the idea of counterattack , but with some limits. You have only a % of counterattacking someone (25%?) , you don't consume AP , you don't get XP. But , whit wich weapon do you attack?--[[User:JonesDye|JonesDye]] 10:05, 27 March 2006 (BST)
* The impetus behind auto-attack is to lessen the chance and impact of Badness happening to your character while you're away, but auto-attack isn't the proper solution to this. Shartak's appropriate skill would be jungle hiding, though a construction skill would work too, if we want to be more like that other game. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 13:51, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* What the animals are doing now is basically what I was saying should be an option for players. In fact, now that the animals counter-attack, it's become far more safe to attack a high-level soldier than it is to attack a parrot. All the more reason to implement this feature. It will also introduce more strategy into gameplay, such as how many AP to reserve for counter attacks, etc. It could be as simple as: enable auto-attack (toggle), if enabled, select weapon (pull-down menu), select AP to stop self-defense (pull-down?). If you select 0, you'd attack until exhausted or they left. If you select some non-zero, you'd attack until you were down to that amount. I kill a lot of other players, but I still say this would be very good for game mechanics, especially considering the new animal behavior. --[[User:Qberry|Qberry]] 06:00, 1 June 2006 (GMT)
** I would only agree with that one if it was only against animals. I don't think auto-defense was a good idea ''at all'', but now that it's in, I think that ours should only work against NPCs.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 20:11, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** Unfortunately this could only exacerbate the Banshee Wailing Spam problems. An auto-defense option is worthless against spirits, and Banshee Wails could easily be the leading cause of damage and death in Shartak (during May 2006). Implement Exorcism before worrying about AP-costs and pull-down-menus for melee parry defense systems. --20:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
**** Exactly. Actually, I've been thinking more on this. It's really a good thing that the animals are so dangerous now. The focus should be more on the struggle between natives and outsiders. Plus, it makes Animal Affinity that much better, which gives a good reason to play a villager or a settler.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:48, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*I support this idea in theory, but of course it must be approached carefully. I like JonesDye's idea of not gaining XP for counter-attacks, and there are so many other factors to consider. QBerry-- you should start a thread about this in the forums to get all sides of the debate and get discussion going. This could be a great feature if implemented correctly. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 4 June 2006 (BST)

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===Flavor Text===

this section is where "users" add "flavor" to the game, im just suggesting that every few steps the computer say a message depending on location, here ill give a few examples:

*'''grasslands'''
**the grassy field sways under the wind's rush as you take a step.|
**something far off squaks and makes a strange throaty bellow.|

*'''water'''
**a wave crashes calmly in the distance|
**a spalsh can be heard from far off|

*'''jungle'''
**a parrot's call can be heard distantly|
**the bushes nearby are rustling from the small wildlife in them|

*'''village (outsider)'''
**the smell of gunpowder wafts into your lungs|
**the smoke comming from a nearby hut smells of fresh turkey|

*'''village (native)'''
**the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village|
**you step on the bones of what appears to be a rattlesnake|

*'''beach'''
**the hot sand burns your feet, yet feels wonderfully different|
**several sea shells catch your eye from far off|

please feel free to update these with more, as they are just a list (if simon decides to) that will be used for flavor.
i want to do this because the game gets kinda boring simply traversing through square after square

''Comments''
* One of the noticeable, distinct aspects of that other game are the different messages for each building; i really like this idea. A criticism, though - i'd refrain from mentioning living animals/people or useful items in the descriptions, they could be confusing to newbies. In other words, "a parrot's call can be heard distantly" isn't appropriate, and "the shaman's voice can be heard traveling through the village" might not be appropriate if the shaman is currently dead. The following could substitute: "You see a large ant colony busily rebuilding their hive" (an animal that has no game impact) and "The spirit of Shubar is felt all around you" (doesn't matter if Shubar is alive or dead). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 14:05, 4 April 2006 (BST)
* I sort of feel like this is something that could easily be put together with a Greasemonkey script. It would be nice, but it isn't really necessary. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 05:35, 5 April 2006 (BST)
:* See the end of the list at [[The Shartak Wiki:Community Portal#Greasemonkey scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 23:31, 11 June 2006 (BST)
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===slots/ new inventory===
slots and inventory could be implemented where, a picture of a silhouette was shown, with names of equiped items in slotted areas, ex: you skin a goat, find some sharp rocks and fashion yourself some claws, you then put them on, giving you +1 damage to all melee attacks
[[Suggestions:Items#animal wearings|animal wearings]]

"Comments below"

Making Claws? and not "all melee attacks" but only punch attacks --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:45, 29 March 2006 (BST)

I don't see why you need item slots for this. Having a pair of claws in the inventory would just improve punch damage by 1. That said, I don't like the idea of making oneself claws. Seems a little silly, when you have actual weapons around. Seems a little silly, either way, really. Perhaps that's just my sense of aesthetics, though, and not that of the majority of the players.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 06:37, 4 April 2006 (BST)
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===Boat Construction===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=|
suggest_scope=|
suggest_description=Boats wouldn't be able to go into The very deep water people can't go into because the tides would rip them apart but could go move in all water for only 1 AP and it also prevents sharks from biting you. Multipule people could get into a boat based on how much wood is used, like
n*.001 x 1 = People Where n = The amount of wood used.

''Edit'':

When Boats are being boarded each player may vote on who they decide should be the captain. The captian may move boat, call the boat any non vulgar name and anyone may jump off the boat at any time except the captain. Boats could only be built on a beach and automaticly once built move the person who constructed it into the nearest water square. Players may board the baot at any time by moving into the same square as it and selecting enter. When the captain moves the boat onto a land square the boat is destroyed and all people who boarded are thrown onto the beach. Players may change the captain at any time by changing there vote. Natives can not board Outsider boats and outsiders can not board native boats. What the boat looks like and is called depends on the size of it.

1 person: Raft

2 people: Large raft

3-4: Small boat

5-6: Boat

7-9: Large Boat

10-24: Huge Boat

25 and up: Gigantic Boat|
suggest_time=06:42, 29 March 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Slith|Slith]]|
suggest_comments=

*check out the skills section, i already suggested something like that.... anyway, check it out --[[User:Richard Rose|Richard Rose]]
*While the huts are handled in Richard's suggestion, I am interested in the boat aspect. I think that placing multiple players on a boat will be troublesome. Who decides where the boat goes - the server? the first player on the boat? It's also important to keep in mind that we already are offered a skill to help with moving in water - '''Swimming'''. If we are to introduce rafts, there should be some mechanics set in place to minimize their usefulness. Perhaps carrying a raft through non-water terrain doubles movement cost to discourage players from carrying one everywhere. Perhaps the raft only has a limited amount of moves in deep water before breaking up. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:44, 29 March 2006 (BST)
** Yeah I changed the suggestion based on your suggestion's :) --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 04:40, 30 March 2006 (BST)
*"Welcome to the Shartak ferry sevice. Please pay the captain your fee of 3 coins. We will be departing for the pirate ship in 3 hours. The captain has locked the destination coordinates and will not change directions unless the boat's integrity is threatend. We will arive in 50 AP + 10 AP per passenger + 5 per day due to drift. You are encouraged to help paddle the boat as this will help us arive sooner. If you decide to leave the boat at any time we will not refund you or allow you to reboard. Please do not pull out any corks or kick any boards as the boat is fragile and will sink if badly damaged."--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 05:06, 1 April 2006 (BST)
** Yeah ^^ That too --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 00:48, 3 April 2006 (BST)
* Boats sound cool. There are a lot of different ways to implement boats that aren't that complicated. Here's one example: suppose that a boat can hold 4 people. Anyone who wants to control the boat spends 4 AP to move the boat one square (larger boats move more slowly). Thus the boat could wander back and forth depending on who currently has the helm, but is unlikely to travel faster than a swimmer. Anyone (native or outsider) can dive overboard or climb onboard at any time, and the boat can be chopped up and destroyed by enough effort. ... The way I envision it, a boat never leaves the water -- the boat gets constructed on a beach square and then can only be moved onto water. It is never an inventory item. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:31, 2 June 2006 (BST)
**That's a good idea. I would go so far, though, as to say that it has to be constructed in shallow water.It would just make it easier. I would propose that the boat require four pieces of driftwood, plus two for every extra person. Thus a 1-man raft would be 4 pieces, a 2-man raft would be 6, a 3-man would be 8, and so on.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 18:26, 2 June 2006 (BST)
***Although there's no reason not to require, umm, a boatload of wood for construction, rather than just 2 + 2 per person. If the boat has any advantages at all over swimming, you could easily require huge quantities of wood without game imbalance. The original suggester had 1000 pieces per person, that's over the top, but why not 18 wood per person or something. That means N sailors could build an N-person boat in a single day searching at Shartak's [[Boatyard]]. Although construction might require another day of additional AP, and a hammer... --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:07, 2 June 2006 (BST)
****I'd be in favor of boat construction, but it should be ''significantly'' harder and MUCH more time consuming to work, really only the most hardcore players should try it. Realistically, a person should need about 20 pieces of wood to displace their own body weight, so 20 wood per person is about right. It should take at least a week of devoted searching to come up with this amount for one person, and would require a fair amount of organization to build a large craft, but come on, its a BOAT! Virtually no attacks from anyone ever! Easy access to hard-to-reach islands! It should be extremely rare and time-consuming to do this IMO.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 05:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)
* i reckon the boat idea would be great especially for the CP so we are land police of york and water police of york!,hopefully this does work out!. [[User:Riddick|riddick]] 21:17 10 June,2006 (GMT).
*If boats are implemented, wouldn't it make sense to allow pirates a special skill regarding them? After all, the pirates on Shartak were all sailors before wrecking their ship. It would only make sense if they (for instance) used fewer AP to sail or something similar. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 8:53, 11 July 2006 (GMT)
*I think that boats could add a valuable dimension to the game once more pressing issues (such as spirit exorcism/warding) are dealt with and the active population of the island grows by a few hundred (because boats would spread players out over an even larger area and make people even harder to find outside of camps). Anyway, here are my ideas.
**Regarding boat speed, realism would demand that boat travel be faster than swimming in at least some cases. At best, a boat should be able to travel from York to Derby (for example) faster than anyone could make the trip on foot (~160 AP with ''trailblazing''; see [[User:Elembis/Sandbox#Camp travel distances|my sandbox]]). Furthermore, a four-person crew should be able to outrun or at least keep up with a boat with just one person onboard. I think a boat should move for 1.5 AP regardless of how many people (up to 4) are in it. With cooperation, a full crew could make the York-Derby trip (~276 squares east to west) in 276 × 1.5 / 4 = 103.5 AP per person, or a little under a day and a half. A 1.5 AP move cost for boats would make swimming faster for a single player in shallow water but not in deep water, and a crew of two or more people would be able to outdistance any swimmer.
**The boat would have a virtual helm, and only players at the helm (captains) would be able to set the boat's course (one of the eight compass directions) and sail off-course if they desired. Non-captains would only be able to move the boat in the direction of the course or the two adjacent directions (so a NW course would only allow them to move N, NW and W). The helm could be shared, but only an empty helm could be taken (i.e., you have to kill the captain(s) first). This would keep players from climbing aboard and sailing far off-course (or perhaps to shore in hostile territory). A captain who left the boat would return as crew and would need to be promoted again by whoever had the helm.
**Boats could be entered, exited, or boarded from another boat for 1 AP. Players would leave boats (1) voluntarily, (2) by being killed, or (3) if they were not a captain and a captain forced them off for 1 AP.
**Construction would occur on the beach, as Tycho suggested. (A one-time script would flag beach squares next to water, and construction of boats would only be possible on those squares.) It would progress one piece at a time to (1) avoid unrealistic near-instant boat construction and (2) to allow multiple people to contribute driftwood to the effort. There would be a 1 AP "Build" button and a dropdown box for all boats on the square. ("[Build] <nothing / Ye Olde Boat> with a piece of driftwood.") After contributing a piece of driftwood a player would see how many more pieces the boat needed. There would also be a form for starting a new boat with one piece of driftwood. ("[Start building] a new boat named [text input].")
**Boats would be attackable with melee weapons and could disintegrate slowly (1) when they are unoccupied, (2) when they have been under construction for more than a week, and (2) as they travel. A boat would only disappear from the game if it had 0 HP and had been that way for an entire week. (A script could run every ''x'' hours to check for unoccupied boats and damage them, and a nightly script could check for destroyed and abandoned boats and delete them.) For realism and gameplay, it should be easier to kill all four passengers on a boat than to destroy the boat itself as well as more rewarding (i.e., hurting a boat would yield few XP, if any). Attacks that targeted the boat would be visible to everyone onboard just as if they themselves were being attacked. Players onboard would be attackable by anyone on the square, whether the attacker is riding in another boat or swimming. (If sailors were not attackable, natives raiding outsider camps would be able to take sanctuary in boats just offshore.) Giant squids would attack boats about as often as they attacked the people onboard (unless a passenger had attacked the squid, in which case the squid would focus on that player until they were dead). Sharks, however, would leave boats and their occupants alone.
**Most important, in my opinion, is that the best boat builders and/or repairers would be settlers, villagers and pirates. While boat construction would be too fun to not share, those three classes need unique skills. An exclusive repair skill might be appropriate; unskilled captains would push a boat until it couldn't go anywhere (or hire someone to repair it), but settlers/villagers/pirates would be able to repair boats (including any abandoned ones they found). Fully repairing a nearly destroyed boat should probably be about half as expensive, in terms of both AP and driftwood, as building a new one. Needless to say, boats could be a real chore to implement, but they would surely make the game even more distinctive and rich. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 20:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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===PvP Protection===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics, pvp, nopvp, vs, player versus player|
suggest_scope=All Classes|
suggest_description=A full implementation of player versus player protection. This would be a nice feature for newbies allowing them time to adjust to the game without getting slaughtered. I envisage something allowing you to enable nopvp without the ability to disable for at least 100AP. Also when you hit a player who is flagged nopvp then you would get a message along the lines of "As your blade bounces off an invisible shield you suddenly notice a shamanic medicine pouch around the neck of target, they are protected, it would be pointless to continue to attack target." where target will be replaced by the players name.|
suggest_time=10:00, 13 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]]|
suggest_comments=

* This is a good, well-thought suggestion. But while I don't generally like PKing, I think it is important to keep it available to those that do enjoy it. With XP penalties and easy resurrection, PKing not ruining the game from my perspective and it shouldn't be restricted further. I would not mind a method of informing players that view my character profile to see that I am flagged for pvp or not, but I am against preventing PVP without purchasing such an ability. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 21:16, 13 April 2006 (BST)
* New players already get an AP bonus and need less XP to level; I don't see the need for a newbie specific ability. I'd rather see a safe area over a moveable system - something like a sacred hut in native villages and a guard hut in outsider villages which anyone who hasn't attacked another player in 100 AP can enter and within which all PvP activity is prohibited, wastes AP, or perhaps results in HP loss only to the attacker ("Your attack has angered the mighty (spirits or guards) in the area; they smite you").--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:12, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*Having both a PvP pirate and a pacifist shaman, and having been PKed on both... I don't like this idea. I like the 100AP newbie status. I don't like the "enabling" nopvp. Sorry. Death is a part of the game. If you walk into a tribe of hostile headhunters, they aren't going to just stand by and let you through--no matter how peaceful your business.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 04:27, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*I'm aware that new players get extra AP and newbie protection isn't what this is about. It is more useful for being protected from the players that sit in their home town bashing away at their own folk. Even with that said my main reason for nopvp was for another idea I have for a skill track that at the time of thinking about it I thought would require a nopvp implementation. I may post the skill track idea sometime when I have finished thinking about all the details.--[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 12:07, 14 April 2006 (BST)
*How about you can't be attacked in your village/settlement by people that come from your village/settlement? --[[User:Slith|Slith]] 06:30, 17 April 2006 (BST)
*As much as I don't care for PK-ing (especially against newbies like me!), it is something many people enjoy (and I am in full agreement with [[User:Wifey|Wifey]] about how newbies could visit enemy territory and be invincible) and is an excellent way of gaining XP if you choose to do so. I second the notion of having a PvP free hut in each settlement/village; perhaps disable the attack command entirely while in there? As a penalty for using such a hut, there should be no resource items there, so that players will still need to 'risk' being in resource huts to restock. Or, at least charge 5AP to enter (you have to talk your way in or at least convince the guards to allow you entrance; thus people who 'play it safe' will need to conserve their AP as they are not taking risks). One of the hallmarks of games like this is AP managment, and most of us learned that the hard way...--[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 19:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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===New strategic location on island===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New location, Game mechanics, |
suggest_scope=N/A|
suggest_description=I think the addition of one or more major new "strategic" locations on the island would greatly improve the game. What exactly it would be can be worked out, all it really ''has'' to be is very valuable to occupy and far away from any village or town (i.e. far away from any shaman). Both sides would rush to occupy this location and would fight each other for control of it.

This would have 3 major benefits for the game that I can see: 1) It would get the action away from towns/villages/shamans, 2) It would make death more meaningful and make killing an enemy meaningful (all death means in towns/villages now is having to float five spaces or so to the shaman and then you get a free revive. There are no easy/free revives out in the center of the island, you would lose both location and the 50 AP to contact, unless you decide to stick around and play as a spirit), 3) It would give people a goal in the game, a major location to fight over and defend, a location that isn't pointless to fight over, as towns/villages are because they cannot be taken. All in all it would have the benefit of making the game more fun.

As far as what the new location would be exactly, one idea could be gold mine(s). They would be valuable because standing on a gold mine square would give you 1 gold coin/hr and require no AP expenditure. The specifics of this are wide open and dont even much matter, as long as the location is far from settlements and very valuable to occupy so players will flock out there and fight for control, making for an exciting time and making killing enemies non-pointless.

If implemented, it should only be one new location at first, with maybe a couple more introduced later once things get going. The location should have a name, and it should be relayed to players in the form of Game News so that everyone knows of its existance and where it is in general terms, e.g. "A gold mine was discovered just south of the mountain, Natives and Outsiders are both rushing out there for control".

''Note: One of the raisons d'etre for this suggestion has been eliminated with the shaman changes, so this suggestion is less relevant than it was and in some ways outdated. It might still be workable, though it will have to be approached differently.'' [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Arminius|Arminius]]|
suggest_comments=

* I realise it was just an example, but 1 gold per hour without any AP requirement is probably a bit much. Definitely something to expand on though. I like it. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:46, 22 April 2006 (BST)
** For example, award 1 gold coin to any one player at random who is on the mine for at least the full hour. Or only award 1 gold coin at random to any one player if only one side occupies the mine -- if both outsiders and nativers are present, they are fighting for control and no one is mining. Generally speaking, 24 gold coins per <s>hour</s>day fed into the entire game will not mess up the economy -- that's probably less than 75-150 AP of searching (and a trip to the trading hut). Alternatively, allow players to search the area with a <s>15%</s> 40% find rate for one gold coin, as long as none of the opposing faction are present in the square. Drawbacks: (1) This sort of high-impact location could also increase zerging/cheating, which wouldn't be fun for anyone. (2) A gold mine could rapidly devalue gold coins until they're effectively worthless, ending the "value" of the mine. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 02:22, 23 April 2006 (BST)
***Giving out small numbers of coins to only a certain percentage of the people on the mine square seems too low a reward, while the original 1 gold coin per hour is definitely too high. But unless people get something tangible every hour that they stand there, people may not bother to fight for control of the mine, which is the whole point. Here is an idea: Make a new item called "gold nugget". Every hour that you are standing on the gold mine square and your faction controls it, you get one gold nugget. Then create a hut 1 square adjacent to the mine and inside have an NPC called "gold prospector Jim" (for example), who will "cash in" your nuggets, 10 nuggets (or 5, or whatever is deemed the best number) for one coin. Gold nuggets on their own would have no value. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
****You could achieve the same effect without creating a prospector hut just by giving a straight 10% (or 20%) chance of 1 gold coin each hour. (To me a single "prospector Jim" gets a bit sketchy if a thousand people are rushing the mine...). In my opinion, you get better scalability and realism if the gold-per-person decreases as people increase. If there are a thousand people on the mine, then each person gets only 5% chance per hour (=50gc/hour production). If there are 10 people on the mine, then each one gets a 100% chance per hour (=10gc/hour production). Gold can't be earned from the mine when competing factions are on the location, creating a contested site is the purpose of implementing this suggestion. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:41, 2 June 2006 (BST)
::::If there is a 10% chance to get one gold coin per hour, and if during a large portion of the day both natives and outsiders are on the gold mine square so no mining is going on, then the odds would be that the lots of people would get 0 gold coins (or very few) before being killed, a total waste of time for them, and they might not bother going back after they're killed, which defeats the gold mine's purpose as a strategic location that people will fight over. This is why I say people need something tangible every hour. In fact, that should be revised to "something tangible every AP turnover", i.e. every 20 minutes. Even if someone is there for only a short time, they should have something to show for it, which they almost certainly wouldnt with a low % chance per hour of getting one gold coin. Your idea of scaling the gold that the mine produces could be implemented by making Gold Prospector Jim give fewer gold coins the more nuggets he receives. In other words, a gold mining version of the current trading system. Since he will have received 0 gold nuggets as the mine is first discovered, one gold nugget could trade for one gold coin, and as more people start cashing in, the value of a gold nuggest would go down, to where he wants 20 or so nuggets for one gold coin. The value would fluctuate throughout the day and week as people cash in more gold nuggets. This way, scalability is achieved while continuing to be able to reward something tangible every AP turnover. Also, I would say gold nuggets should take 0 inventory space just like gold coins, since in theory 72 could be given out per day to one person, and that would fill up anyone's inventory, allowing them to not receive any more. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:27, 4 June 2006 (BST)

* An alternative to the gold mine would be some kind of ancient treasure hoard, so not just gold coins but also statues, ancient armour and maybe some pretty nasty weapons. However, to get the good stuff you'd have to go into the trap-filled maze and actually make it into the chamber where the treasure is. With spirit-proof doors so people don't just die, go in, find the correct route, revive and go in...[[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 17:33, 24 April 2006 (BST)
**This is interesting but seems overly complicated, and seems like more of a one-shot kind of thing, but most significantly there is no real value in holding such a location. A gold mine would be a simple, straightforward, and constantly of high value to occupy. Also, once one person finds the way through the maze, soon everyone would know. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 14:57, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***Good point... Ignore my suggestion, it's not very good... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] 12:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

*I agree there needs to be more locations worth going to, but adding just one will not add enough to shake things up. I think a mine with various valuable minerals such as gold (not coins but actual lumps of gold since it was just mined) and maybe forgeable material, ect. But you should have to actually apply AP to mine it out, maybe with varying % to find different minerals in different parts of the mine (I imagine it as an underground area much like a temple with multiple squares)

Along with the mine I was thinking of other locations that would attract people. What about a sunken ship, with treasure perhaps, in the ocean (like deep ocean, shark attack deep deal) somewhere to the northeast of the island since none of the settlements are very close to that? Another place that people are going is that island to the west of the main island. Perhaps something of value could be put there as well, like say an ancient stucture like all those temples only better. (Think El Durado!) I think that the swamp should have something in it aswell, I don't know what.

The biggest thing I would want to see implimented would be buried treasure, placed in a random jungle square anywhere in Shartak every 1st of the month, with pieces of the treasure map being found at random. Groups and individuals would scramble to find the chest, which would no doubt be full of gold dubloons and other valuable treasure. People who don't want to look for the treasure could sell pieces of the map to others who do for high prices. If noone finds the treasure by the 1st of the next month then the treasure rolls over into next month so that month will have 2 chests at the location! Only the first person to dig it up gets what it contains. Anyone else will find a hole with an empty chest in it. How's that for location/events? (I was thinking of making this its own suggestion but didn't want to steal this persons 'thunder' as it were) --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Life cycle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=balance change|
suggest_scope=NPC animals|
suggest_description=Currently the main way of leveling up is by killing things (i.e. NPCs & characters) I suggest there be some sort of life cycle for animals. For example, when there are massive amounts of tigers being killed less spawn. But if everybody leaves tigers alone, more spawn. If would look something like this:
:0-5% of animal type killed, x5 spawn rate
:6-15% of animal type killed, x2 spawn rate
:16-45% of animal type killed x1 spawn rate
:46-75% of animal type killed x0.5 spawn rate
:76-99% of animal type killed x0.1 spawn rate
:100% of animal type killed, animal is extinct
 This forces people to find alternative ways to gain Xp (possibly more lucrative ones?)|
suggest_time=03:22, 29 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=

I have the funny feeling that animals would start going extinct, which would just be a pain. I'd rather not see this one implemented.--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 15:50, 29 May 2006 (BST)
: Would work if there was a total animal population that was always kept, so if tigers start to become extinct more deer appear, but this would lead to an island of only elephants. Would also work if the animals that were extinct reemerged later on, then it would just be annoying. But the goal of "find alt ways to gain Xp" won't be realised via this manner - it would instead lead to more player vs player action. Instead of taking away our current methods, perhaps other methods of xp gaining could be added, like the agriculture skill, or some current activities could have an xp bonus (we get xp for uncovering trees, why not for finding fruits? Could trading become xp-worthy?).--[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:47, 29 May 2006 (BST)
:: I don't know why we should force people to find the lucrative alternative ways to gain XP. Animals are extremely rare in some areas of Shartak, and PKing and PvP is common. Banshee wailing spam, punch-heal farming, and gratuitous healer orgies are annoying enough already. Basically, the non-healing/non-harming XP paths need to be more viable: XP for exploring, chopping, discovery, contacting foreign villages, and so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 10:01, 2 June 2006 (BST)


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===Message in a bottle===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New item, message system|
suggest_scope=All characters in Beach terrain|
suggest_description=Much like the "make signpost" action, creating a message in a bottle will only be available to players standing in Beach terrain. Unless the "Refillable containers" suggestion is implemented, to create a message in a bottle will require a bottle of beer, bottle of rum, or bottle of water and some newer items - parchment and charred driftwood or berry paint. There would be a textarea and a button, much like the existing message actions. Upon clicking the "make message" button, the items required are removed from the player's inventory and their text message is added to the database.

Although it would be neat to actually see the bottles floating in the water and following unique movement patterns, that would lead to some very cluttered areas. So instead the message in a bottle becomes a rare search result in Beach terrain.

When a player finds a message in a bottle the system generates a random number and selects the associated message to that number from the database. After reading the message, the player has the option to destroy or return the bottle. Destroying the message in a bottle removes it from the database. Returning it throws the bottle back into the sea to be found again. There should probably be a default message in the event that all the unique messages are destroyed or the search odds could be modified to reflect that there are no more messages in a bottle to be found.

Each message could also have a stat to display how many times the message was read before.|
suggest_time=05:33, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Nice idea. I'd rather have the message bottle also be rare-findable in water. I think it'd be kind of neat to have some items found in water, even if only text messages generated by other players. The suggestion does await parchment, although I think that berries alone would be sufficient for ink ("you write in berry juice") rather than requiring a separate ink item. Implementing parchment might get a bit complicated - I'd prefer a very streamlined approach so that players aren't carrying around six (or 71) different message'd parchments at once. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:23, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Map quest===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Quest|
suggest_scope=All characters, new NPCs|
suggest_description=There is a limited usefulness for the map for those without access to the mapping scripts. There is also a limited incentive for players to explore foreign camps. This suggestion provides a simple quest for players to hopefully address both issues.

Each town will possess a new NPC (or possibly a retooled home shaman or trader) that has a fragment of a map. The fragment will display the general vicinity around the camp. After a player interacts with the NPC and acquires a map fragment, they can view map.html and see two new buttons: "view torn map" and "compare maps". "View torn map" will display the collection of map fragments acquired by the player. "Compare maps" will overlay the player's personal map on top of the torn map.

I imagine the map fragments to resemble the parchment look featured in the game logo, but each camp might use a different medium or writing implement which will give the torn map a patchwork appearance.

The map fragments will not take up any inventory space and not even be listed in the inventory. On a character's profile page it may be possible to display their progress with the quest: (1/7 map fragments).

Obviously, having just the area of the camps mapped out will leave some large missing chunks in the torn map. There could be a hermit NPC that will complete the torn map once each fragment is obtained. The complete map can also have the feature of unlocking new territory. Talking to special elder NPCs will mark the map with locations that are viewable and enterable only by those with complete, marked maps.|
suggest_time=19:53, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lint|Lint]]|
suggest_comments=

Sure, this makes sense to me. Ideally, the special code (possibly including search outcomes, NPC interactions, non-item flags in character data, and so forth) would be generic enough so that it could also be borrowed to implement treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, secret locations, and other future plot-lines in Shartak. A Shartak map itself, even complete, would just show the same info that can be found via web or wiki, so it is not going to harm game balance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:27, 16 June 2006 (BST)

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===Monsoon===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=event|
suggest_scope=all|
suggest_description=Add seasons to shartak, matching RL events. The sea level would rise by 1 square, the river would swell by 1 square, crocodiles would become plentiful, and the pirate ship would lift off of the rocks. The ship would then randomly drift around, 1 square per day, and would still be accessible but players would have to swim out to it. Deforested squares would also recover faster. The ship wouldn't be directable because 'The sail is too tattered to use.' or something. The monsoon would also match, more or less, RL duration.|
suggest_time=17:28, 16 July 2006 (EST)|
suggest_author=Aco|
suggest_comments=

*All this would be do-able without too much extra coding except for moving the pirate ship. It would however take a while to work out which bits of beach, swamp and jungle would become submerged and to do it in such a way that it's easily reversible later. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

*Something that would require even less work on Simon's part, but would still convey the feel of a hurricane would be to change some descriptions temporarily. Add, "The wind howls about you and the rain drives fiercely", to all outdoor descriptions. Add "The deadly storm rages just outside. You don't know how long this little hut can survive." to indoor descriptions. He could also temporarily expand the range of "sharks" to include all outdoor locations (possibly with a lower likelihood of being bitten, as it seems more or less automatic once you swim far enough out) but change the description to "A piece of flying debris injures you." This would make being indoors scary and being outdoors potentially deadly.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I have just advocated a similar ideas for storms at the new forum. Have a mass of black cloud move onto the island. The rivers swell and move rapidly, causing death to those in the water. Lightning strikes and strong winds cause HP damage or death. [[FirstAmongstDaves]]


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===Identification of strangers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Ability|
suggest_scope=Identification of strangers|
suggest_description=As a native, I would like an "Identify an outsider" button when standing on the same square as one or more outsiders I can't recognize. (Outsiders would have the same thing for natives, naturally.) It's unrealistic that the best ways to identify people are to attack them or give them gold. It's also bothersome; gold coins are hard to find in the wilderness, and a cheapskate may attack a stranger only to regret the attack upon discovering that their target was a peaceful person. If you're the sort of player who likes to attack every stranger you meet, that's fine. However, many people do discriminate between strangers, and it shouldn't be unduly hard for them to simply figure out who someone is.

Identification would cost 1 AP. Flavor text could be something like
:You examine an outsider until you're able to tell them apart from all the others. They are {{profile|6|Leaky Bocks}}.

I estimate that this change will have the following effects:
# Identification before an attack will be easier and thus more attractive to moderately peaceful players, resulting in less "gratuitous cross-class violence" (as [[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] [[Talk:Identify_Friend_or_Foe|put it]]) at the hands of players who wish to avoid it.
# [[Identify Friend or Foe]] [[:Category:IFF supporter|supporters]] will no longer be subject to the current "peace tax".
# Non-participants in the IFF initiative will neither receive gold from curious players nor see who has identified them. However, after they are identified they may still be given gold or even spoken to (which I prefer from a roleplaying perspective) if cheaper identification makes people more willing to interact with those they identify. I know I'd rather spend 1.5 AP to identify someone and speak to them than 1 AP and a coin to merely identify them.

Since it's already possible to identify a stranger in ways that help them (by giving gold) or hurt them (by attacking), why shouldn't there be a more direct middle path?|
suggest_time=06:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

I'm looking for a flaw in the reasoning here, but I can't find one. I support this. 18:40, 31 July 2006. [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* The only flaw I can see is already in the game. How do you figure out who someone is, just by giving them a gold coin or attacking them. *slash* Oh, scuse me a second while I check the back of your jacket for a name tag. Same sort of thing applies to staring at someone and figuring out what their name is. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
** "I'd like to stare at someone long enough to figure out what they look like and what they're wearing and carrying." I support this. For convenience, the game has already conflated face-recognition with user-profile. There doesn't exist an in-between level: either you know all their skills and their profile description, or you aren't able to target them at all. We could eventually migrate toward a solution (and perhaps introduce new skills and actions, such as Disguise that would conceal your skillset and kill stats). But in the meantime it would be nice to have the suggested convenience. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Drowning===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=Perhaps there should be some rules for drowning? Many players in Shartak (including my character, Zeff) like to camp/sleep in the water. I feel there should be a risk of drowning when a player spends a long period of time in deep water - shallow water would not apply. Perhaps something like this - If a player spends over 2 hours in the water "drowning damage" comes into effect (regardless of whether or not the player has the swimming skill) and every futher hour 10 damage is dealt to the player - either "drowning damage" or instant drowning after 3 hours - with a message "you have drowned".
Another additional possibility is have the character drift in the water - especially if they go into deep water - I like the idea of leaving a character in the water when you log out, and when you log back in they are washed up on another part of the island with most of their hit points missing. Although that might be a bit complicated to do...|
suggest_time=22:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

* Nice. Drifting could be done, although it may make things complicated if you drift too quickly. I certainly don't think you'd move very far in a few hours otherwise it would be far too easy to lose sight of the giant squid you were attacking (for example). There would probably have to be some kind of data in the map that says where you drift to from that square, even if the drifting changes slightly. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
* Sounds like a good idea. Also, driftwood could possibly be incorporated into this, perhaps giving a lower chance of drowning, lower drowning damage, or maybe making the player drift further. -[[User:Peg-Hand Grimm|Peg-Hand Grimm]]
* I definetly think you should drown to death if you sleep in the water. You should only be able to drift with driftwood, since you could possibly sleep on the plank as it floats you to another place. Without the dirftwood you wouldn't drift far because you'd drown before you got to see the place you arrived at...unless instead of drowning to death you drown to 1 HP and are planted on a random beach space in Shartak. I like this idea but can't decide how I'd like to see it put in game. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Pigeon postal service===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Outsiders (I imagine a different version for Natives|
suggest_description=Right now I have encountered difficulties whenever I try to contact someone in game. There is (currently) no way right now of contacting people in game without finding them. To improve on that, I thought there should be a sort of postal service. The idea is simple. You go to a post office to do one of three things 1) buy a pigeon so you can write a letter from anywhere and send it to the post office (at a cost of 2 GC) 2) write a letter at the post office for posting (at a cost of 1 GC) 3) receive mail (at a cost of 0 GC). To prevent harassment of players you can even instruct the postal staff to burn any letters from ignoramus people (you must tell them before hand otherwise they will burn everything).

*''The postal staff has burned 3 letters from unwanted peoples since your last visit.''
*''You buy a pigeon at the cost of 2 GC. It looks anxious to be on its way home again.''
*''The post woman takes your letter and smiles knowingly.''

The idea may need some tweaking but this is just a suggestion on how to create in game messages.
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suggest_time=17:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:One of many doctors|One of many doctors]]|
suggest_comments=


Sounds like an interesting idea. The only real problem that might happen is that if you've off on long journeys, you may not have the time to stop into a town and check your mail. Perhaps the pigeons could also fly to you, where ever you may be, and give you the letter? --[[User:Che|Che]] 22:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you buy local pigeons and deliver them to another town for sale at a higher price?--[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 02:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Since pigeons can only return to one place I imagine that foreign post offices would pay a premium for pigeons that can go to other cities. For example, a pigeon bought at York and will return to York is only 2 GC, but a pigeon bought at York that will return to Derby will cost 10 GC or more because you can't raise pigeons to fly to Derby in York.


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===Climbable Trees and high areas===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanics and Skill|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=This is more like two suggestions bundled into one, but they are closely related. I think climbable trees (areas of jungle) would be a great addition to the game. With the use of a climbing skill (perhaps easier to learn for natives) players can "climb" into the jungle canopy (for 5AP) providing the jungle is heavy (dark green and above). This would provide an excellent way to "hide" from other players and give another bonus which I will get back to. If a player chops jungle where a player is hiding above them, that player falls to the ground for a medium amount of damage. Other players would have a chance of spotting people hiding above them, each time they move to a different jungle area (50% and 100% if you use search in the area - a message "you spot *name* hiding in the canopy above you"). Also players will be able to jump from tree to tree for 2AP. Now, onto the "other bonus" mentioned earlier - this bonus also effects areas such as the mountain and the crows nest at the shipwreck giving "high areas" more of a tactical use. These areas should allow you to spot people (outsiders, pirates and natives) in the distance. When you are in one of these areas you would be able to "see" the number of people to the north, east, south and west - this will include areas such as north-east and south-west as "north" will mean a general cone shape north of the player. For example in the crows nest at the shipwreck, there will be a button "lookout" which would display the following text-
"You scan the horizons -
North - You see 1 native nearby.
East - You see 6 pirates nearby. You see 3 pirates in the distance.
South - You see 12 pirates nearby. You see 4 pirates and 2 outsiders in the distance.
West - You see 7 pirates nearby. You see 2 pirates and 4 natives in the distance."
Of course if you did this on the mountain, you wouldn't be able to see through solid rock.
The sight range would be perhaps 20 squares, anything over 10 squares is defined as distance. If this suggestion is implemented it will I feel it would add a whole new level to gameplay (literally!) as well as possibilities for watch-towers, and long-range rifle/blowpipe sniping!
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suggest_time=11:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zeff|Zeff]]|
suggest_comments=

I had thought of climbable trees, but hadn't planned on people being able to move around whilst in the tree. The biggest problem with letting you see further is that (a) it'd require more processing to handle the extra 24+ map areas, (b) Displaying the map would be quite tricky due to the sizes of squares required to be able to hold text and icons. I had envisaged something like "You climb a tree. [down]" as the stuff on the right, no other actions except down. The left hand side would be a map area about the same size as currently, but where each block was replaced with a 3x3 area. This would give you the ability to see terrain from 7 blocks all around (15x15 grid). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't thinking of actually showing the areas you can see, I was thinking along the lines a purely text feature, that would operate in a similar way to "search". There would be a button that would "list" each direction (N,E,S,W) and the players you could see in those areas. Actually displaying more sqaures on screen sounds pretty complicated... --[[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 19:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:The problem with just text is not everyone is going to be directly north or west or south or east of you, most of the time they will be at strange angles. Simon's idea of a 15x15 grid when you climb a tree is a good one, if it is able to be done. Here's the idea I got while reading this suggestion: firstly, new item-telescope (explorers would start with one, they would be occassionally found in outsider towns. natives would have no access, like gps). Going atop a tree or crow's nest or climbing on top of ruins would give you four buttons: look north, look west, look south, look east-- but only if you have a telescope. Each would cost 5 or 10 AP (it would take a long time to throughly search with the horizon with your telescope.) You would be shown something like [http://www.itechsc.com/misc/shartak/ubermap/closeup.php?cx=-70648&cy=26343&dn=1&zn=1 this map] (but not as big), it would display the area north of your immediate area if you chose 'look north', south of yoru area if you chose 'look south, etc, and it would tell you where others are.
:- [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Zeff, You are on the right track with your hiding suggestion I think, but it shouldnt be atop trees. People should have an ability to hide in the jungle, and an on-ground hiding skill has been suggested before. I still think it is a good idea. Here is one version of the idea, suggested by Armadox on the forum:
<<Armadox_The_Butcher wrote: What about a skill that allows you to use your last 10 ap to hide in the foilage? It marks you off the map, like being a spirit. Spirits can still see you, and anyone searching the area can uncover you. but it'll keep your hide safer untill you log back on?>>
<<Arminius wrote: This is a good idea, but how about instead of having to search, someone who steps onto the same square automatically discovers you? But people wouldnt be able to see you from other squares like they can now. Currently if you are standing on any of the 25 squares in someone's line of sight, they can see you, but if you were to be hidden they wouldnt be able to unless they are on your square. This could serve as an ambushing skill as well as a hiding skill. By ambushing I mean hiding and then waiting till someone comes to a square near you to rest, and naturally they wouldnt know youre there, then you emerge to kill the poor sucker>>
<<Crowjane wrote: sounds generally nice, but what if everyone has it. I foresee no ambushing but endless travels without any human contact...>>
<<Tycho44 wrote: I like the idea of having an extremely expensive Hide Skill (12AP-30AP to use?) that only works to cloak you from those not in your square. By hiding, you would prevent animals and players from seeing and pursuing you unless they actually stumbled into your square (Trackers could use Tracking Skill). When the cost of hiding is high, many players will choose to step 5 or 15 spaces further back into the wilderness instead, so the game impact would be relatively mild. Also, hiding could require Jungle d5 or higher to use, just like concealed huts and trees. That would prevent ambushes from inside the town.>> ([http://shartak.forumsplace.com/message-152-15.html From here]).
 - [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 23:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. Complications aside, the original suggestion would effectively make the island larger, which would make player interaction more rare, and that's simply bad. I'd support an ''x'' AP "Lookout" ability in suitably dense jungle that would simply return flavor text revealing the location of one or more nearby players or animals. ("You climb a tree for a moment and see someone to the northeast.") But I think concealment in treetops is a bad idea, and the server load of a large map view should be avoided if a simpler "lookout" action will work about as well. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 04:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

* I like the idea of being able to hide in the folliage, it just fits naturally into this type of game. Espeacially with the tracking skills as a means of finding them by following their tracks. Very cool. The item 'telescope' would be awesome too, with the ability to look diagonal compass directions as well please. The crows nest could be a look out, along with towers being added to all the settlements (both native and outsider) to look from. I also recall a high place at a waterfall? You would only be able to see people standing in open sqaures (less than 5 folliage?) since anymore trees would create a thick canopy above them blocking your view. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 21:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Importance of the Islands of Shartak===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Environment|
suggest_description=The many Islands of Shartak have been the source of some of the most heated conflicts seen to date; however, such islands truly offer nothing more then a secluded patch of beach and jungle. To make these Island more desirable, I think new or stronger animals should be confined to these Islands, or possibly an implementation of the "New Strategic Location on Island" suggestion. When Darwin visited the Galapagos Islands, he noticed that the species he found evolved separately from creatures on the mainland. The same should be true with Shartak.|
suggest_time=16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]]|
suggest_comments=

Possible animals:
*Gorillas - stronger than a monkey, hit harder
*Rhinos - less HP than elephants, but more aggressive and hit harder
Or Mythical/Exotic Creatures:
*Ogopogo - like the Squid, but confined specifically to the waters around the Island; could possibly give special power/stat increase when successfully killed
*Dragon - Travels between all Islands; hits extremely hard, but flies to adjacent squares after hits; impossible to heal.
*Big foot - from adjacent squares, it is seen as "An Outsider" but once on the same square, he appears as Big Foot. Same stats as outsider, with more HP. [[User:Gandhi|Gandhi]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the islands may have a strategic piece of terrain, such as an ammo hut?[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:53, 26 November 2006 (PST)

* Gorillas and Rhinos are nice, but no wierd crazy animals please. --[[User:EMAG TRESNI|EMAG TRESNI]] 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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===Message huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Communications|
suggest_scope=Players in camps|
suggest_description=For the sake of roleplaying, I'd like more communication between players to occur in a realistic fashion in-game than for it to occur outside of the game (on forums and the wiki). One way to accomodate this would be to establish message huts, run by new NPCs, in which a player (Alice, a native) can leave a message for another player (Bob, an outsider) to be read when Bob enters the hut to check his messages. A message left in Derby for Bob would only be readable by Bob, and only when Bob entered the Derby message hut to ask for his messages. If Bob had no language skills the message would appear garbled, as always.

I see two problems with this system: one is that players could spam everyone by leaving hundreds of messages in each hut, and the other is that the server could have to store hundreds of thousands of messages. The first objection could be solved by charging the sender 1 gold coin (or perhaps more) per message per hut. The second problem might be fixed if we (1) kept a sender from leaving more than 1 message in each hut; (2) held no more than 100 messages total in each hut, dropping old ones as new ones arrived; or (3) restricted message-sending to registered players. (Obviously, a message would be dropped as soon as its recipient arrived and read it.)

This change would make camps more popular, give everyone another way to spend their gold, and, most importantly, make it easier to contact people who leave no contact information in their profiles, something that can only be done now after a huge and often difficult game of hide and seek. |
suggest_time=05:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Elembis|Elembis]]|
suggest_comments=

Would be nice if the other NPC's mentioned to you that you've messages to read in the hut - "Trader Toe says, 'Have you been to the message hut lately? I hear you have a message there.'" Otherwise i doubt i'd ever check. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 16:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Clan Bonuses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description= If implemented clan founders can set one out of a list of bonuses in order to provide benefits for clan membership. I would suggest that this change be 'locked' for at least a day, to prevent abuse. The bonuses are all small buffs to various factors in order to augment the play style each clan inspires. I am making this suggestion because despite a wide variety of clans on Shartak, most players have yet to chose one and there are several clans, such as my own, that only have the founder as a member. By giving clan members a small bonus, clans should be able to facilitate recruitment. What follows are a few suggested bonuses; please feel free to suggest more or comment on those suggested:

*''Search Bonus'': 5% added to base search odds.
*''Melee Bonus'': 5% added to melee accuracy.
*''Range Bonus'': 5% added to firearms accuracy.
*''Plunder Bonus'': 10% increase to find gold coin at any location where they may appear (this should not be applied to the base search, rather it increases the probality of a successful search resulting in a gold coin).
*''Explore Bonus'': 5% chance of a character getting a 'free' movement; flavor text could read 'you find that you were able to easily move forward'; applies only to land movement.
*''Faith Bonus'': 5% evasion to spirit attacks.
*''Hunter Bonus'': +1 damage to any animal

Given these small size of the bonuses, I doubt any of these will seriously affect game balance, and the suggestion is merely one to increase clan membership. I am sure there are other reasonable bonuses out there, and I believe each of the above encourage roleplaying, be it pirates placing importance on finding gold or explorer groups getting bonuses to find goods or possibly cover even more ground with less AP.|
suggest_time=19:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]]|
suggest_comments=

The only thing I don't like is what about people who don't want to join a clan? I think How clans are right now are fine.--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 22:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am strongly against clan bonuses - the incentive to join a clan should be social (i might be for clan penalties - management takes its toll). What problem is this supposed to solve? If a clan isn't popular, there's probably a good reason (lack of leadership, lack of purpose, lack of distinction, etc) that should be addressed by the clan leadership. If it was implemented, you'd have to restrict a character from changing clans more than once every X hours/turns as well as the clan from changing its bonus/penalty. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the clan had both a bonus and a penalty - choose any one bonus and one penalty (and the penalty grows directly proportional to clan size - what can i say? i don't like management). This would help leave balance as is (for the independants) but give clans more flavour --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
: Excellent points, both of you! Frisco, I believe you are right that this unfairly penalizes independents, I see that as a serious fault now too. I believe the best way to balance it is to give independents a bonus or bonuses, though different than clan bonuses and thus encourage independent play. The main I one can think right now of ''caution bonus'': independents are more wary of others and thus get a 5% evasion to any player attacks. This negates any clan attack bonus against other players and would also be useful for new players who are prime targets for PKing. In regards to a clan penalty, I would best leave this up to others such as yourself as to what you think is fair. In addition, your statement about switching clans for bonuses on the fly is an abuse I did not think of; I think the best solution would be that some minimum amount in the clan is necessary for the bonus to activate, such as 24 hours. As far as proportion goes, I think that would be too complicated, as the server would have to constantly check clan size to assess the bonus/penalty amount. The purpose of this suggestion is to enliven the clan system, not to punish anyone. Basically, I am just trying to think of way to make the clan system more attractive, is in all honesty it has no effect on the actual game other then filling a field in your profile. Furthermore, out of 1113 active players, only 246 were affiliated with any clan, and this gap is even larger if you take into account inactive players (roughly 4000 at this writing). Perhaps a bonus system is ''not'' a solution, though I think their should some in-game effect, maybe inter-clan communication or something (i.e., the clan leader(s) can send out messages or something, though if Elembis's suggestion above is implemented this will be moot)? Even though I doubt this will be implemented, I want to encourage debate and see if a fair proposal arises that does not offset balance. Looking forward to hearing more on this. --[[User:John Sevier|John Sevier]] 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that there should be more of an incentive to join a clan - just to give clans a bit more flavour, but nothing that penalizes independant players or makes the game unfair. There is a similar clan bonus system on Nexuswar, where clans have a certain bonus depending on how powerful they are. Independents also get a bonus that depends on how long they stay alive. But to be honest, I would dislike that system if it was applied to Shartak. Perhaps something like an optional clan skill? A minor skill that actually replaces an existing skill (depending on the clans speciality -searching, attacking etc), making the clan members more specialized than independant players. Although independant players would not have access to that skill they would still have as much power as the clan members, having access to the skill that the clan members do not have. [[User:Zeff|Zeff]] 12:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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===Additional Pirate Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Dividing the growing pirate population|
suggest_scope=Pirates|
suggest_description=If not the high HP and access to many riches, it is the fact that they all live close by that gives pirates an advantage over Natives and other Outsiders. I suggest we add two more pirate ships to help control the coordination imbalance. After it is implemented any pirates who dies may choose to change their home ship once. The ships will need names.|
suggest_time=11:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

If you're correcting imbalances with this then dont forget to give us all a 5 damage, 60% hit weapon. A few HP difference isn't all that good. Anywhom, This seems a fair idea, but i dont like it. There's not so many pirates up at the wreck, and dividing them by three would be disaster. how about just two ships? The 'Hell Born Strumpet' (For Cap Whitney) and whatever Captain Edwards wants to call his? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

There's a lot more pirates at the wreck than there are people in most of the other towns, to be fair. --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 18:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say a lot, more like 1.4x more. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

:Ignoring inactive players - most camps have about 120ish, except the shipwreck with 290 and york with 210. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I rather like it that the ship doesn't have a name. It allows new clans to say "We're part of a different crew." After all, clans come and go. There's no reason to think the current pirate clans will last forever.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well we could name them by colour, type of ship, or description of wreck like "Grey ship", "Frigate", or "Rock wrecked ship." [[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]] 21:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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===Spirit Stuff===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game mechanic|
suggest_scope=Spirits|
suggest_description=Spirits under this new system would be bound to a specific distance from the spot where they died, with bonuses for actions (perhaps it'd halve the AP cost?) within that spot and possibly the four adjacent squares. (Alternatively, you could just be more noticeable in that area to mortals without Sixth Sense.) I know this could be abused, such as PKers waiting until players are far away from a shaman to kill them, but I've come up with some solutions or counterbalances. For example: being a Shartak noob, I don't know if there are roaming shamans, but if not there would be, thus giving a spirit another way to get back to the land of the living.

The next counterbalance is something I stole from the Dead Case, some ghost-related flash game thing, in which by freaking people out you gain their belief in you and can thus range farther from your grave; by going around your own territory and attacking things, you could quickly gain enough XP buy a spirit-only skill that adds half again or even doubles your current movement radius. Or there could be a new meter, some sort of power or belief level which allows you to go farther; maybe there's a skill that allows you to assimilate the essence of living beings you've screamed to death into your own, and thus travel beyond the initial limits of your "territory."

Admittedly, the whole extra incentive not to die idea would be quite confusing and probably rather tiresome for new players, so perhaps after your first death or two your spirit is resilient enough to ignore the penalty. Feel free to ridicule these random ideas.

A few more ideas to pick and choose from:
*Spirits are more powerful when working together.
**However, to reduce the Screaming Medical Hut Gang's ability to harrass the living, another idea could be taken from Dead Case: you're unable to cross the threshold of a hut until you go beyond a certain level of power, belief, spiritual influence, whatever you want to call it.
*Spirits are more powerful when in ruins, because everyone knows there are always powerful spirits haunting ruins.
*Shamans can, after collecting a number of items, putting them all together and performing some ceremony or other, Curse a person's spirit so that its territory is severely diminished when its body dies?|
suggest_time=13:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Zutaka|Zutaka]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===More Clan/Crew powers===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=For Clan/Crew founders and leaders to be able to kick out players they don't want.|
suggest_scope=All Clan/Crew Founders and Leaders|
suggest_description=It's quite simple If you have a disruptive player who joins your Clan or Crew to either make fun of it or badmouth or he does not fallow the clan Ideals He can be kicked out of the clan by the founders and leaders of the clan no questions asked. You would find the feature on the clan members list (Or wherever Simon wants to put it.) And click the "kick out" buttin to expel him from the clan.|
suggest_time=21:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented with the December 2006 clan updates. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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===Looting===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Gold|
suggest_description=Players can loot gold from corpses. At base rate a player will be able to loot 1/4 of the GC on a corpse, at a cost of 5 AP. Pirates get a bonus, looting 1/3 of the GC. A skill “Looting” will double this fraction (1/4 to ½ and 1/3 to 2/3).|
suggest_time=11:35, 9 November 2006|
suggest_author=Nicorus|
suggest_comments=

Sounds like [[Suggestions:Skills#Plunder]]. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

 Confine it to irates as an incentive to be a different class. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

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===Day and Night===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mecanics|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Basicaly, turn the map a darker shade every amount of time. Maybe, animals could wander into towns at night, and players could only see tat there were a number of players in a certain square, instead of seeing that there were 1 outsider and 3 natives.|
suggest_time=19:26pm/12th Nove 2006|
suggest_author=Majestic[[User:Ninja|Ninja]]|
suggest_comments=

I've a feeling that that would be a massive, massive job to format. Sounds good but I think you'd need to download a grahics package, if not, the server would just...explode! Or not...i'm no programer by any description. Perhaps if there were three shades? day, noon and night? [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Guildhouses===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Mechanic|
suggest_scope=Clans|
suggest_description=Clans need guildhouses or headquarters, places that only members of the creating clan may enter(?). Basically, only available to clans with a relatively large amount of active members, such as 15. The way I see this (which is of course up for discussion) is so:

Two members of the clan are present. Both give 75 AP and 200 XP to create this building (think: Hut). Once created, it requires 50 AP per week to keep it up. This weekly AP can be donated by any of the members of the clan. For example, player 1 can decide he has 10 AP that he doesn't need, player 2 gives 4 AP, player 3 gives 25, and player 4 notices it's already Saturday and there's a dearth of 11 AP so he takes care of the last bit, thus keeping the hut "alive" for another week.
General benefits (once again, up for discussion) would be: Access only to members of the clan, perhaps a "medical table" where you can convert AP/XP into healing much like the scientist can do, and a "Ammo cupboard" where one can find rifle bullets or sharpening stones or whatever items Simon sees fit.|
suggest_time=21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]]|
suggest_comments=

Realistically, wouldn't the contents of this "ammo cupboard" have to be donated as well? --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 13:43, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:Yeah, that makes sense, but that could also be supported by the weekly AP donation. Keeping stocks up, etc. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 22:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:Take a look at my 'temporary structure' suggestion in "misc."--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 01:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:These are nothing alike. Mine is a guildhouse, does not involve driftwood at all. Gathering driftwood would be a major drawback for a guildhouse in the middle of the jungle, days away from beaches. Yours is just a form of shelter in the jungle, protection from surprise attack, where my suggestion is a base for a clan, and not meant for quick protection in the jungle. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't a hut that only clan members can enter be easilly abused as an inpenetrable fortress to allow a clan to rapage uncontrolled through a town? --[[User:Gitboy|Less Than Lethal]] 11:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: Not really. Simon could tweak the AP/XP requirements so it becomes *only* shelter from heavy attack (healing, restockage, etc), and not an actual heavy-artillery resistant bunker. Perhaps something could be added that having many people around it affects the AP cost or whatever, or the more people in the clan, the more expensive it is to keep up. This should be as much a hassle as it is a help. --[[User:Erados|'''Erados''']][[Mercenary's Guild|MG]] 15:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

This gives a great advantage to team players over solo players. I'm not clear on how the upkeep would be kept fair - just create a disposable character whose sole purpose is donating AP to the guildhouse (perhaps you could trade such character use with your allies so as to not directly zerg). --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:*In the real world, working together as a team does have it's benefits. And if donating 75 AP resulted in 75 IP hits, then zerging would be mitigated.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

To stop people using it as a fortress, how about allowing non clan members inside, but whenever they attack, everyone in the room has a chance of hitting them with a melee weapon automaticaly? This is good for realism and stops abuse of the facility, as you can still get your ass whooped if your inside, and an agressor would be roughed up by security. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

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===Cupped Hands and Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=The thirsty bottleless|
suggest_description=You've finally slaughtered that elephant that nearly took all day to kill. Now since you have bled a lot of water out, you go to the creek for a drink. You get there and stoop down to fill your bottle, but it full of salt water! What do you do? Cup your hands and drink directly or dump the salt water out of course!|
suggest_time=09:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

This idea makes a brilliant argument. But have you tried to cup water in your hands, it runns away...so you should only get +1HP back, maybe?

}}

===Use of Ranged Weapons as Melee Weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Anyone with an ranged weapon - rifle, blowpipe or yet-to-be-added...|
suggest_description=A heavy rifle can deliver a fair bit of damage when used as a club. Large blowpipes can likewise deliver some damage when used as a club or cane. Currently however, the game does not support the use of ranged weapons in melee - this suggestion would be to simply modify the game to allow that to happen.|
suggest_time=03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

The odds of hitting should be less, and damage shouldn't be much (less than a machete/cutlass). There should also be a chance of the weapon breaking (as per existing melee weapons).

I disagree that the damage output/hit rate should be less. If that were the case, there would be no incentive to use them as melee weapons, making the point moot.--[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think giving somebody a whack on the head with a rifle butt would do more to kill somebody than a knife-wound, so i agree with Joe. I do think that they should be able to break, but pipes more easier than rifles. unless you had mastered melee and could put it into someone's eye. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]
::There was some talk about changing the names of some weapons, just for variety - clubs, halbards, axes, other weapons instead of just machetes and cutlasses. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

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===Hut Renovation===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New possible action|
suggest_scope=All empty huts.|
suggest_description=I'd like to suggest that players be able to modify the interior flavor text of huts. For instance, many clans occupy buildings and convert them to their own use. A button would become available saying something like "renovate hut." This would allow a player to type in their own flavor text for the hut. To discourage people from vandalizing the huts, the AP cost should be very high. Say, 50 to 75 AP. After all, it takes a lot of effort to clean out a house, even if it is a one room hut. This would allow Czech1, for instance, to customize his tavern to actually LOOK like a tavern. Traders' huts and supply huts could not be modified, naturally.|
suggest_time=14:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Another option might be that somehow a hut is tagged as being owned by someone and only they can modify the description. There would have to be some way to lay claim to a hut and some way to prevent it being taken over. Perhaps you have to 'reclaim' the hut once every X days (say 8 for those who only get to play once a week) otherwise it becomes open to all to claim? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds good. How does one get claim over the hut? Do clans of some sort get first picks over a 'first come' basis, or perhaps an NPC landlord demands payment and shows up at your hut to collect it? [[User:RobZombie|RobZombie]]

I like the idea, I especially like me being mentioned lol.. I think that in some cases one can just pick a hut and make it theirs (I've used the same hut for months, and all I did was walk inside one day and make it a tavern, it was empty.) Maybe like, the hut has to be empty for you to lay claim to it? I dunno. --[[User:CzEcH|czech1]]

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===Major game change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Combat|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Let's break this down, in order of importance. It's a series of suggestions for more 'realistic' gameplay. Please comment on it even if you hate it.

A)I think that real-time attacking of the NPCs is a brilliant idea. However, it's very frustrating being killed in your sleep, as much as not rewarding killing others in their sleep is. Thus, is it possible to code an 'auto-behaviour' when away so that if someone attacks you, you fight back? That would make combat memorable.

B)Nerf HP to 10 or 20 so that it's more deadly (and realistic), or bump up weapon damage, A LOT. That would make for more 'deadly' encounters. Bumping up weapon damage would also make sure weapon attacks can be differentiated more easily, while right now all attacks do 1 to 4 damage. It would also make the whole 'average dmg per AP' pointless since this ain't a math problem, it's a game. To make sure however that you won't kill 40 people in a single turn, bump the AP cost of an attack to either 5 or an amount depending on the weapon, e.g. a knife would have 3 AP but a halberd 7 etc.

C)Is there a chance combat is instead a 'contested' roll? E.g. Instead of rolling to hit, if someone attacks another in melee, both roll and highest (with mods) is the one who gets to strike and damage. If not, perhaps it'd be great if there was a 'defense' skill too, like every time you're attacked and it doesn't miss, there's an X% that the attack is voided.

D)Speed of a weapon- how often it can attack. Weapons with higher reach like spears should get accuracy bonuses, but those with higher speed should attack more often. That'd probably be caused by a varied amount of AP per 'attack' or 'round' of combat, like I said, 2 AP for a punch, 3 for a knife, 4 for a machete, 5 for a sword, 6 for a spear, 7 for a halberd etc.

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suggest_time=12:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Odysseus|Odysseus]]|
suggest_comments=

Some comments (edited/expanded) originally posted on the forum topic: 
(B) I personally wouldn't enjoy much more deadly encounters - swimming with the sharks is dangerous enough, let alone if my characters only had 10/20 hitpoints. Player characters should be special too - not cannon fodder for anyone just walking around killing everything they see. 
(C) It might be a nice tweak if some NPCs were more difficult to fight - perhaps a 'defense' attribute/skill, which is subtracted from the attack percentage? But keep it small values (10-20%) so that you don't get any situations where a low level character can't touch a high level character? Opposed rolls is more complexity - keeping the dynamic simpler would seem to be a good idea, no? 
(D) This is a real time game. It doesn't have 'rounds'. That paradigm doesn't work on the Island. The shartak weapon/combat system is reasonably simple currently - does this really add any value, or just make the game more complex? 
--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 07:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, everything Johan said. Plus, Shartak has developed in such a way that it is a game of exploration, not a combat oriented first person shooter. Making it deadlier does not make it more realistic, it just makes it more like Doom. If you want realism, how about an NPC police force that gathers evidence on random murders, hunts down the murderer, arrests them and either jails them or executes them? That's what happens in the real world. lol --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 14:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

:Johan's (C) - the defense attribute - is actually already implemented for NPCs and has been for a long time. There's no reason why it wouldn't be possible to extend it to PCs as some kind of defense skill or armour-like item. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::Why not both skills and armour-like items? Skills could perhaps require 'Close quarter combat' as a pre-requisite, 'Close quarter defense' - giving a defense attribute of 10%, and 'Advanced Close quarter defense' adding +10% on top of that? Items could be 'shield' and 'helmet' giving a +10% - and if there was a way for an item to degrade overtime, then newbie outsiders/pirates could perhaps start with an item that gives a +20% as additional newbie protection? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
}}

=== Huts: Body Dumping===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New action|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Allow Shartak characters to dump dead bodies outside of huts through a new action button that appears when they're inside a hut and there's a body there. 1 body per 1 AP spent.|
suggest_time=02:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

What's the point of this? They're not like in Urbandead when the dead come back to life and eat people. -[[User:Kutless55|Kutless55]] 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:It just strikes me as unrealistic that folk are going to keep dead bodies lying around in huts. Moving the body outside doesn't have much if any game impact beyond allowing folk to clear the huts of bodies.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

::It would be kind of cool to kill someone and dump their body in th river. but what about dumping them in holes and burying them? How would that work? - First Amongst Daves

You carry the body to the river, like an inventory item? Or to the hole. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 16:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Villagers as NPCs===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New NPC - Villager|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=This might require extreme coding, but will add to an already fantastic game. Essentially, villagers are NPCs. They are localised to squares entirely surrounded by cleared jungle. There could be ten villagers per square (turning off "see villagers" could be in the preferences to restrict annoyance). A camp needs 50 villagers to maintain an ammo hut, medical hut, shaman, and trader. For every 50 villagers after that, search odds in the huts are improved by 10%. Villagers could be attacked by enemies of the camp, but would have the same stats as elephants (high HP, good defence rate - reflecting reality). This would allow five developments which, in my very humble newbie opinion, might aid the game.

1) Players could all be soldiers/pirates/warriors/scouts/scientists, etc., i.e. playing the hero, without having to play as boring old villagers.

2) Attacks on camps would be meaningful, as lowering the number of villagers will hurt, or even wipe out opposition camps.

3) The Shipwreck would have no villagers, giving the pirates more distinction from outsiders.

4) Maxed-out players might find it more interesting.

5) Players could create new camps (perhaps only maxed-out players could have this new skill, "Colonise").

There could be distinctions between native and outsider villagers, etc. It might be very complicated to spawn new villagers once more squares are cleared as well. Anyway, it's a suggestion, what do you think?|
suggest_time=14:08, 14 March 2007 (GMT)|
suggest_author=[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this idea a lot. What would be the mechanism for regeneration of villagers? If some version of this is introduced, the old discussion of Defense comes up. There is absolutely 0 means to defend an area in the game right now, thus no way to protect your village(/viallagers) from being killed. I think that some means of defense is a 'must' if this is done. And a combination of this and defense would be a major boost for the game. There are several player-based inherent problems that come up, for example an Armadox or a Keichi or a Long Fin Killie, who freely and prolifically kill their own people, and cant be kicked out of town because the local shaman revives them cheap, might take to slaughtering their own civilians. Then of course there would be people creating alternate accounts specifically to attack these villagers of other towns, e.g. a pirate creating 2 or 3 dalpok natives whose sole goal is using every one of their AP attacking dalpok npc-villagers. (Perhaps local PKers and alt-abusers could be discouraged by having a light curse imposed on any character every time they kill one of their own villagers, 'the spirits are very displeased that you killed one of your own people'). Some means of actually being able to actually damage or even occupy(!) a settlement is thinking down the right path for sure. As of now we have no way of doing so, and this limits the game. -[[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 01:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC

Hmmm, not bad. But attacking npcs to hurt a town would make it like a Halo Oddball game. Perhaps you'd get cursed even if you just TRY to attack (ie. miss) a friendly npc villager. But healing them won't curse you. They'd die just like everyone else too!
They could respawn just like every other npc. But make them have professions. Like blacksmith, farmer, woodcutter, sculptor, etc. They could also wander around town, you know, like real village people.
On the screen you can see them as an outsider and if you hover your mouse over them, they show the blacksmith or such. Like.. 10 villagers per camp. The shipwreck should have crewmen, the cook and the cabin boy! -[[User:Elegost55|Elegost55]] 08:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

These are good points alright. I would imagine that defence should be down to the players - although I like the idea of a "wall" square, similar to heavy jungle. Attackers would have a 20% chance of chopping it, and have to chop it twice to get through. Once inside the camp, if villagers are ten to a square, and have the stats of elephants, the attacker will have to be quite brave to go it alone. Large-scale attacks (as in real life) will be the only way to go, and given the nature of the game, and of th'innernet itself, defenders will have some warning of large-scale attacks and can work out a defence plan.

In relation to attacking your own villagers, this should result in them attacking you - a 2HP fine per AP-used until you leave the camp - and you would never be allowed back again. This exile-type character would appeal to some.

I like the idea of real jobs, it would add colour to the game. I'd leave this up to Simon, though - if he does go to all the trouble of coding this, he should have the fun of making up villager roles (i.e. "In this square are two Farmhands, a Town Drunk, a Blacksmith, and a Lady of Negotiable Virtue"). -[[User:Apocalypso|Apocalypso]]


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===Vow of Peace===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=PKing opt out improvement|
suggest_scope=Any characters where the player decides to opt their character out of pking|
suggest_description=A vow of peace could be sought from any of the NPC Shamans. Such a vow has the following effects:
 
(i) The character who has taken the vow cannot be attacked by another character. Any attempt to attack results in no AP consumption, and the message "such-and-such has taken a vow of peace - the spirits of the land prevent you from attacking them". 
(ii) The character who has taken the vow cannot attack another character, without confirming the attack. Confirming the attack results in immediate damage to the effect of half the character's hp - "As punishment for breaking your vow, you are wracked with pain as wounds appear on your body". 
Taking a vow of peace would require that the character sacrifice one of: 
500 AP (as they meditate at the feet of the shaman, they can't play the character for nearly a week); OR 
1000 GP (only 18 characters currently have that much); OR 
2000 XP (only high level characters who've maxed out).
 
I realise that there are those who find the pk'ing element exciting or vital to their game - please realise (and perhaps respect) that there are those of us who have tired of it, don't find it exciting and not vital to OUR game. There's lots said about how Shartak is the game that you make it - it's hard to do that if you're constantly being involved in someone else's game.|
suggest_time=05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

I like this, this isn't just somebody's way of getting out of an annoying game feature, this is kind of like a way of life. You'd have to bend your character around the vow, rahter than just buying it and laughing. I'm not going to take it, but I can see why people would like to, and I support that --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 06:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. I would make a few minor alterations to this suggestion though. Instead of attack attempts resulting in no AP consumption, perhaps they should use the normal amount of AP but the spirits of the land prevent the blow from reaching its target. Not sure about the AP cost to get it enabled - perhaps 5 days worth instead of 7? Also, if you break the vow and are wounded, maybe you should start bleeding from those wounds in a similar manner to being bitten by a shark. Any more comments? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like this, definitely needs some work though.
Perhaps rather than taking 5/7 days worth of ap, it halves peoples AP for a week? I see people taking a vow of peace and never coming back to the game, due to getting bored waiting.
I'm not sure about the bleeding, maybe something more, ''spirity'' but with a similar effect? --[[User:Htkl|Htkl]] 21:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Policy Discussion===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!


}}

===Snakes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Event|
suggest_scope=Grasslands|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when searching grasslands, there is a slight chance to find a poison snake, which will then bite you. I propose a small change. In additon to biting for 3 damage, make it so the poison effects the player for the next three actions, similar to a poison dart. |
suggest_time=02:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=
Shouldn't detract from the game, adds a little more realism at no cost apart from discouraging some people from searching grasslands. Sounds good to me. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Snakes would also explain where the natives derive toxin for their darts. - First Amongst Daves

}}

===Gun Smiths===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Anyone who uses guns|
suggest_description=Back in the 1700's rich aristocrats would have custom firearms made for them. What I am proposing is that the outsider settlements be given a gunsmith. For a substantial fee these gun smiths could make improvements on your guns. These changes wouldn't be instant so you would have to come back later. Some of these improvements could be increased ammo capacity, more barrels on the gun, make it cause more damage etc. To keep it balanced the better the improvement the more it would cost and the longer it would take to do.|
suggest_time= 19:25, 12 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Only if guns are made breakable and the natives get a blowpipesmith. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 03:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Breakable (misfire/blowing up in hands/etc) guns are partially implemented - I have a few bits to finish off first though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
see my suggestion native temples [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Additional Ships===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Pirates/Outsiders|
suggest_description=
As discussed here - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,364.15.html - Why not have a fleet of ships sitting offshore from the wreck, anchored and not moving? Say, five of them, each with masts, holds and the other features which we see on the shipwreck. Only accessible from the ocean by climbing the chain from the anchor to the deck.

A few benefits:

1. it explains the proliferation of pirates on the island. No one expects such a huge number of pirates from one vessel.

2. it gives pirates and people tempting the dangers of the shipwreck something new to explore, and potential turf wars between pirates. Some of the wrecks could have particular dangers or advantages - for example, a hold in one ship could have an abundance of gems, and another be filled with rats. While I'm suggesting five ships offshore from the shipwreck, it could just as easily be three, or it could be ten. The idea is to have several in any event. It would get the pirates engaged in intrigue against each other over turf, and make the area more attractive to other players.

3. it takes the place of the numerous huts you see in villages, which the shipwreck lacks.

Incidental to this suggestion is to have other ships sitting offshore from the outsider villages - there is a natural inlet north-west of York which I figured would be a suitable harbour. Other non-pirate ships at other strategic places, like the abandoned ruins are, but specifically offshore the settlements to explain how the settlers got there. This idea includes a ship on a river, to make the rivers even more interesting, and a ship beneath the eastern marsh, to attract players out there. All of those ships could be taken by any group determined enough to do so - pirates, natives, outsiders - maybe with roaming shamans nearby to assist.

This suggestion does not require any new coding innovation - you would simply replicate the coding for the shipwreck, but at other locales.

So, in summary with some suggestions on locations for other ships:

1. one ship in Unity Bay near the island

2. one ship in the Long Fin River delta given the number of players in the locality

in addition to:

3. the eastern swamp, to encourage travel to that region

4. the harbour north of York, giventhe large numbers of people in York and the amount of traffic that route gets

and of course:

5. the flotilla at the wreck, of 3+ ships

6. a ship in the water at each settlement.

Finally, the shipwreck only has one mast. While it may be that other mast were destroyed in the wreck, a one masted sloops is an unlikely choice of pirate ship. Corvettes and frigates had three masts. I am guessing it would be possible to easily create three masted ships.|
suggest_time=15 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

* Does it only have one mast or is it just one mast that you can climb? It wouldn't be easy to create one with 3 masts that you can climb unless it occupied 3 separate map blocks and that would make for a very large ship. Moving the ships around would be quite complicated indeed and would be prone to people disappearing into non-existent map areas or being left stranded at the top of the mast with no way to get down. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps not moving the ships then? And if the original shipwreck is actualy a one mast sloop, then why couldn't the frigates/corvettes take up three squares? it makes more sense than having a sloop the size of a frigate. This is all ofcourse, based on the size of the shipwreck...just ignore me and carry on...--[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 19:58, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:Assuming GPS co-ords are correct, isn't 1 block about 100m ? Were ships 300m long? We're talking roughly 900ft... seems awfully big. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::Simon, yes, I figured the mechanics of moving ships would be too difficult. The suggestion is that the ships are static, effectively "landmarks' at sea for people to climb over. They would not move, but be anchored at sea and approachable only from the sea. As for the masts, wouldn't the easiest thing simply be to have three options in one square, like you have with the shipwreck (the hold, the armoury, the galley)? "Climb main mast", "climb aft mast" and "Climb mizzen mast" would be options for players, all on the one square. - Dave
:::If they were fake masts then yes, that could be done. The current ship has a real mast where when you go up, you actually go up to a level above everything else. Shartak has a 4D map (x,y,z,inside), unlike UD that has a psuedo-3D (x,y,in_or_out) - it's hard to explain, but going up from one block to 3 different blocks just won't work. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 10:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Simon, how does Shartak handle multiple huts in the same square? If the masts were treated as 'huts' instead of up/down movement, perhaps that might work? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, exactly the same sort of thing. - Dave
::::::Huts are treated as inside, because that's what they are. The difference between up/down and inside is that there can be multiple levels of inside but only 1 up/down. Hard to explain really without lots of complicated diagrams, but it allows all kinds of interesting tricks with the map such as tunnels that can cross over even at the same depth without actually becoming a crossroads. It does make generating the map somewhat awkward at times though. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Since Masts don't essentially take you anywhere - and assuming the rigging is such that it's impossible to venture from one mast to another - for this suggestion at least, treating Masts as Huts would seem to work as a solution? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Native Temples===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Natives|
suggest_description=This suggestion is to try to balance out the gun smith suggestion but I think it should be a separate suggestion. A blowpipesmith wouldn't make sense but a martial arts temple would. Each native village would have a temple and each would teach a unique fighting style and sell unique sets of weapons. A lot of native tribes back then had really awesome fighting styles. Even if you don't like the gun smith idea I think this would help balance things for the natives.|
suggest_time=13 April 2007|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

Fair enough, not a bad idea. But if you want that, and gunsmiths, then its unbalanced for pirates. http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Items#Flintlock_Pistols my Golden oldie of a suggestion balances this. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

That looks good I can't wait to get a pistol.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

The suggestion is very old now, i made it when i first came onto the game. Its unlikely that Simon will implement it now, sadly. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, November -> March was a pretty busy time. As Kenny said, I might just be waiting for the right time (got to keep the balance between native/outsider after all). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

He may still put pistols in the game, he might just be waiting for the right time to do it.[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Trader Shipments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=My suggestion is that once a week or month traders get re-supplied from the mainland. With this previously rare items like shovels will be temporarily cheaper.|
suggest_time=11:07 April 16|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

This is good, but only if some settlements get shipments of an item and others don't. Economies are built on scarcity. Think about the price of rifles in most Outsider settlements. They are non-consumables, never need to be replaced once a player has enough rifles, so they have virtually no value at the trader's hut. The consumables, which must be constantly replenished (eg: first aid kits), are the more valuable commodities. Dumping a large shipment of any one item would cause the trade value of that item to plummet, thereby nerfing those players who scavenge and sell as their main occupation in the game. On the other hand, if the shipments arrive unevenly (eg: first aid kits to Derby and shovels to Durham) then scavengers would have a reason to travel. --[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 11:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:At the risk of giving away too much info, shovels are not something that can be found. I believe the traders trade items for the raw materials and sit in their huts making the shovels themselves. After all, it's not like they're busy all the time. It keeps the prices up as they can only make one or two a day. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Class change===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill fettling|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=Currently people are stuck in whatever class they've chosen, often leaving them unable to get skills they would find useful for whatever they're ''actually'' doing.

So i'm suggesting a possible way to help these people, by offering a class change option which could be implemented by having it as an option that'd cost however much your next skill would cost, may also work as a temporary (single use) skill that allows a class change. possibly just giving you back the XP/levels you spent on any class-specific skills and dropping your level to match.|
suggest_time=08:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Htkl|Htkl]]|
suggest_comments=

Any penalty for changing classes should be fairly hefty IMO. I think today I'll be a shaman, exorcise those spirits, ok now I want to be a villager to get the better scavenging search rates, and then having found all the herbs I need, I'll switch to a warrior and go take out some animals. Unless I've misunderstood the suggestion, giving back the XP for class specific skills could lead to this kind of thing. You should lose the XP for class specific skills - now that would be a sufficient deterrent to frivolous class switching. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think 100 XP is a reasonable return, I'm even tempted to suggest it as a standard game mechanic. --[[User:Pardus|Pardus]] 23:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Extra Revive Option===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=people who die|
suggest_description=I propose that we add an option to contact a shaman at a village other than the one you start at for 50 AP. You would be able to pick which village you respawn at.|
suggest_time=May 16 13:23|
suggest_author=[[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]|
suggest_comments=

I think that if you should die in a foreign village, you should also be able respawn there or at your home shaman if you choose. Spawning anywhere sounds too much like teleportation. --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 17:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Originally you could respawn at the nearest shaman if you were stood on the same square. This led to some rather tedious XP farming with two opposing sides sat on the shaman square in Dalpok and as soon as you died, you were revived and got killed again. Let's please try not to go there again. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 00:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah I see, I've never actually died so I'm a little newbish in the death department. Maybe if it was possible to tell how far away the closest roaming shaman was, determined by squares from where you died. Or if thats too precise perhaps work it like your home beacon: Roaming Shaman 50AP (Very far east) --[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]] 01:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC) Ok, I logged into my idle test pirate. 'es dead.
:What if outsiders could be revived in another outsider town if they are in it and natives could be revived in another native town if they are in it. Pirates would remain the same. [[User:kenny rogers1|kenny rogers1]]

}}

===Well===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New inanimate object|
suggest_scope=Everyone in a village|
suggest_description=Being a friendly fellow, I like to use my healing herbs on others and drink water for healing myself. The problem is, I have to treck a long distance to find any form of fresh water. What I propose is that in the center of every village there be a well. The well would be equipped with a bucket that would be used to bring water up from the well. For 1 AP, you can bring up the bucket that will be full of fresh water. Clicking on an empty gourd or bottle in your inventory would fill it with water, costing 1 AP each. After taking 10 scoops of water, it would need to be refilled for 2 AP (1 to drop the bucket, 1 to bring it back up). If you happen to attempt to get water from an empty bucket (0AP) a message would appear "The bucket is empty. Perhaps you should fill it back up with water."

The well would have an ingame graphic and would have a description of whether the bucket is down or up - "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is raised to the top." / "You see an old and moss covered well, it's bucket is somewhere down below."
|
suggest_time=17:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Wulla-mullung|Wulla-mullung]]|
suggest_comments=


Hmmmm...awesome! I'm sure some clever person will think of a reason why this shouldn't be thought about, but right now, I think this is pretty good. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I like drinking water! -[[User:Elegost|Elegost]] 13:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Another endorsement of this suggestion - more ways to get fresh water (healing) sounds like a good improvement - and given the distance from some native settlements to bodies of fresh water, this would help explain where the traders get all their bottled water from. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 03:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

}}
===Waves to erase Beach Writing===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game tweak|
suggest_scope=Writing on the Beach.|
suggest_description=From time to time wave activity on the beaches should have a random chance to corrupt, partially erase or fully erase the writing in the sand.

'Shark free swim zone' could for example be corrupted to 'Fark free ... zone' or partially erased to 'Shark ... swim ...'.|
suggest_time=03:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

===Pollution===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Environmental effect|
suggest_scope=Litterbugs, people near them|
suggest_description=Whether you believe the spirits are punishing you for waste or the rats just like to lick the empty bottles, dropping tons of items has to have an effect. Items dropped are tallied daily and used to update the environmental status of the area like jungle growth. More polluted areas are more likely to turn up items in a search but are less likely to be useful. If an area is polluted enough there is a chance that increases with pollution that one could be damaged by walking through, searching, or staying for a prolonged time. Pollution can be cleaned up with a shovel.|
suggest_time=08:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Darkferret|Darkferret]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Idle Characters===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Idle character event|
suggest_scope=Any non donor characters who have been idle for 8 weeks or greater.|
suggest_description=Per Simon's input to a discussion on the forum - http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,502.msg15514.html#msg15514:

<blockquote>"The inactivity timeline would be something like:
 
Idle 1 week - you "disappear" from the map (taken steps to hide yourself from people and animals).
 
1-2 weeks - an email would be sent out informing you that your character has hidden and is safe from attack. This is sometimes enough to prompt people to return to Shartak, although I've not sent any out for a while.
 
8 weeks - your body is discovered and you're automatically dead because you starved to death or something. The discovery of your body causes you to be dragged back to your home town and dumped in the graveyard (now visible on the map as a decomposing corpse).
 
After 8 weeks of being inactive, your body is then vulnerable to grave robbers (search corpse button appears when in that square) and you may find that you return after a long break to find you have nothing in your inventory, but at least you're at home.
 
Perhaps we could even have it so that instead of being dragged back to your home town, your decomposing body is just left wherever you were. Once your inventory is empty and someone searches your corpse, you'd enter a final state where you don't appear on the map again (body disintegrates completely)."</blockquote>

This suggestion got several positive comments from forum members.
|
suggest_time=11:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Discussion with Entropy resulted in a slight modification - leave player with one weapon (either a machete or cutlass) - assuming they had one to start with. That way they're not completely stuck if they contact roaming shaman and end up in the middle of d10 jungle miles from anywhere. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
: I much prefer the idea the latter idea that your body would be found where or near where you were last active. I say 'near where' since it seems more realistic to find bodies of those who drowned in deep water on the beaches of Shartak or the smaller Islands. --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 00:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


}}

===Terrain Without Trekking Changes===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement.|
suggest_scope=Newbies/players without Trekking.|
suggest_description=One thing I've noticed is that when a player doesn't have Trekking, while jungle density 0 squares are .5 AP per, other types of terrain which should also be .5 AP per square are, instead, 1 AP per. These include settlements at density 0 (despite that the jungle is .5 AP, movement inside settlements is 1 AP), Grasslands, and Beaches. I propose these be changed. |
suggest_time=02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]]|
suggest_comments=

To me density 0 jungle is dirt with maybe some short grass - solid ground with obvious paths and easy to walk through. Grasslands is more like grassland savannahs with grass high enough to hide a tiger in, and high grass is a bit tough to walk through and find a path in. Walking through beaches can be tough too - sand isn't very solid and continually gives. Don't know about the town, makes more sense to walk faster through there, unless there are a lot of imaginary people or trash in the streets.
* Well said mystery commenter. The only one that might be sensible to change is the town - I probably missed something in the code. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Outposts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement!!! =p|
suggest_scope=Clans and overpopulation|
suggest_description=Outpost: A location that acts as a base of operations for a clan and containing a “home shaman” for that clan.|
suggest_time=01:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Pardus|Pardus]]|
suggest_comments=

Things that I’m leaving completely open for debate: Almost everything, including how they are gained and lost, what other things they’ll contain (if any), well basically everything, more interested in getting the basic idea on the table. [[User:Pardus|Pardus]]

I think a Shaman is a bit much, but I dont see why the odd hut in the middle of nowhere cant have some kind of basic trader or searching hut. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 20:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Monuments===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Action|
suggest_scope=Descriptions|
suggest_description=Monuments would be the same as signposts, but they would be harder to make, to destroy and instead of driftwood they would be made with sharpening stones. 
These player made creations are meant to record certain important events for a long time, and even though signposts can be used to do this, they are usually destroyed fairly qickly because of their weakness. 
It would take about 20 sharpening stones as well as 50 AP to create a monument and 50 hits would be needed to destroy one. 
This should make sure that people don't "monument spam" determined areas and at the same time it would discourage vandals to eliminate parts of history. 
Once created, monuments would display the text "There is a stone monument here. It reads" followed by the creator's message. 
Unless it is difficult or impossible to program, it could be possible to place both a signpost and a monument on the same square. 

Original discussion can be found here: [http://forum.shartak.com/index.php/topic,633.0.html] 

The entire suggestion is not mine, though, it is based on the ideas of G3N, Tomn, Cthulhu, Black Joe and others who posted in the thread mentioned above.|
suggest_time=16:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

Terrain

2007-08-10T11:28:00Z

0000FF Beard: /* Jungle */ Watering jungle and its effects.

Within the navigation map there are a number of different coloured areas which correspond to the different [[terrain]] types.

Terrains are usually distinguished by the color of the map square. In addition, each map square has a terrain label (and the terrain label also leads off the description of your current location). Within a general class of terrain, there may be several zones that have different labels. For example, characters first arriving in Shartak commonly encounter village squares, which are labeled with the name of the village (such as "Dalpok") instead of being labeled as "Jungle". Other distinct zones exist: for example, there are Caves and Tunnels in mountain terrain, and there are Beaches and Dunes in beach terrain.

Shartak also has a few special locations, such as Boatyards. These locations have the same terrain color and the same terrain label as normal terrain (such as Beach), and can only be discovered by carefully reading the location's unusual description text.

Terrain squares can also contain a single detail, illustrated by an icon. These terrain details include huts (in ruins and villages), bushes or trees (in jungle), ruins -- and player-constructed signposts. (See [[Locations#Details]] for more information.)

According to GPS calculations, each square of terrain is approximately 100 meters on a side.

== Beach ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#ffebcd;font-family:Verdana;">Beach</div>

There is sand here, but you cannot build a sand castle. [[Driftwood]] can be found here, and is used for making [[signpost]]s. There are also [[crab]]s here, but unlike [[parrot]]s and [[rat]]s, you cannot murder the crabs for XP.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
*'''Find rates (approximate) 8.8% (±3.2%):''' piece of [[driftwood]] 5.5% (±2.6%), [[gold coin]] 1.6% (±1.4%), [[crab]] 1.3%, ''crab pinch 0.7%'', [[bottle of beer]] 0.3%.


===Boatyard===
:''A large sandy expanse of beach with so much driftwood scattered around that you could probably build a boat from it if you had the right tools.''
This description of multiple squares of beach promises large quantities of driftwood. Search odds still require calculating, but appear to share the same profile as beach with a much higher overall success rate. It is rumored that there are many other boatyards around Shartak; please post their GPS coordinates here as you find them.

* {{GPS|70|055|26|384}},{{GPS|70|064|26|395}}, {{GPS|70|067|26|364}} (signpost), {{GPS|70|077|26|406}}, {{GPS|70|083|26|413}}, {{GPS|70|086|26|416}}, {{GPS|70|107|26|431}}, {{GPS|70|110|26|433}}, {{GPS|70|124|26|437}}, {{GPS|70|128|26|435}}, {{GPS|70|136|26|363}}, {{GPS|70|175|26|443}}, {{GPS|70|175|26|444}}, {{GPS|70|186|26|471}}, {{GPS|70|219|26|477}}, {{GPS|70|220|26|481}}, {{GPS|70|238|26|512}}, {{GPS|70|244|26|508}}, {{GPS|70|265|26|508}}, {{GPS|70|291|26|524}}, {{GPS|70|309|26|368}}, {{GPS|70|312|26|526}}, {{GPS|70|337|26|539}}, {{GPS|70|347|26|541}}, {{GPS|70|379|26|533}}, {{GPS|70|394|26|279}}, {{GPS|70|395|26|281}}, {{GPS|70|399|26|539}}, {{GPS|70|417|26|532}}, {{GPS|70|418|26|518}}, {{GPS|70|447|26|516}}, {{GPS|70|491|26|345}}, {{GPS|70|500|26|528}}, {{GPS|70|501|26|381}}, {{GPS|70|501|26|382}}, {{GPS|70|502|26|344}}, {{GPS|70|503|26|381}}, {{GPS|70|512|26|381}}, {{GPS|70|514|26|343}}, {{GPS|70|536|26|337}}, {{GPS|70|541|26|370}}, {{GPS|70|564|26|340}}, {{GPS|70|584|26|343}} (signpost), {{GPS|70|591|26|507}} (signpost), {{GPS|70|595|26|345}}, {{GPS|70|605|26|379}}, {{GPS|70|618|26|379}} (signpost), {{GPS|70|639|26|389}}, {{GPS|70|648|26|390}}, {{GPS|70|671|26|337}}, {{GPS|70|697|26|354}} {{GPS|70|710|26|394}}

:''the only two boatyards on unity island:'' {{GPS|70|552|26|404}}, {{GPS|70|543|26|412}}
*'''Approx find rates (apparently 20% or more overall):''' piece of [[driftwood]] (?), [[gold coin]] (?), [[bottle of beer]] (?), [[crab]] (?), crab bite (?)

===Dunes===
:''The dunes here at the western tip of the island are fairly small. Dotted across the sand you can see patches of vegetation.''
Dunes can be found forming on the far western coast. It is uncertain at this point if this terrain is significantly different from the beach.

== Grassland ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#e6f5b1;font-family:Verdana;">Grassland</div>

There is a swath of grassland cutting north-south, a few clicks west of Dalpok. Grassland can also be found by following the road north from Derby.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
:*'''Find rates (approximate) 14% (±9.6%):''' [[poisonous snake]] 10% (±8.3%), [[healing herbs]] 4%, ''snake bite 2%''.


== Jungle ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#337033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d10)</div>

Jungle is the dominant terrain type in Shartak. Jungle can be chopped by players with [[machete]]s or [[cutlass]]es, but it regrows slowly over time, even in squares with players or animals in them. Pouring a [[Gourd of water|gourd]] or [[Bottle of water|bottle]] of fresh water on a jungle square speeds its growth up, while pouring salt water on it slows its growth down slightly. All other kinds of liquids have no apparent effect. Most [[animals]] on Shartak live in the jungle. Fruit trees and berry bushes are found in the jungle. Chopping the jungle also reveals abandoned huts and ancient ruins.

Jungle never grows past density 10, a point at which it is too thick to pass through easily. A character wielding a machete or cutlass can chop the jungle location down to density 9 (with about a 10% chance of earning 1 [[XP]]), while characters without such weapons must try to push through it with a chance of success of roughly 20%.

{|
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#338033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d9)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#339033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d8)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33a033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d7)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33b033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d6)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33c033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d5)</div>
|-
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33d033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d4)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33d733;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d3)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33e033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d2)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#33f033;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d1)</div>
|<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#aa8866;font-family:Verdana;">Jungle (d0)</div>
|}

At density 7, the tree cover is thin enough for a [[GPS unit]] to receive a signal. At density 4, the trees in the area are cut down, removing any [[Writing|carved messages]]. At jungle density 0, all that remains is weeds; vegetation cannot be chopped any further at this point.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''.5 AP'' for d0, ''1 AP'' for d1-d6, ''2 AP'' for d7-d9. (''.5 AP'' for d1-d6 with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill. ''.5 AP'' for d7-d9 with the ''[[Trailblazing]]'' skill.)
**'''Find rates (approximate) 15% (±2.6%):''' [[mango]] 5.3% (±1.6%), [[banana]] 2.9% (±1.2%), [[gourd of water]] 1.9% (±1.0%), [[blunt machete]] 1.0% (±0.7%), [[poisonous berries]] 1.0% (±0.7%), [[tasty berries]] 0.8% (±0.7%), [[healing herbs]] 0.7% (±0.6%), [[gold coin]] 0.4%, bundle of 2-8 [[poison dart]]s 0.3%, partially loaded [[rifle]] 0.3%, [[berries]] 0.3%, [[first aid kit]] 0.3%, empty [[blowpipe]] 0.1%, loaded [[blowpipe]] 0.1%, [[bullet]] 0.1%, [[poison dart]] 0.1%. ('''Note:''' Find rates vary considerably and are believed to depend upon jungle density. Find rates also are different for jungle terrain located inside village territory. See [[Search odds condensed (results)]] for more information.)


Note: Simon is currently working on an in-game system which replaces the different shades of green with graphical representations of the various densities.

== Mountain ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#666666;font-family:Verdana;">Mountain</div>

An impassable mountain is located in the middle of Shartak.

Also features impassable '''Mid-air''' and '''Solid Rock'''.

=== Mountain Path ===
There is a mountain pass that starts at {{GPS|70|364|26|432}}. A second entrance to the same path is at {{GPS|70|382|26|479}}. And a third entrance to the same path is at {{GPS|70|329|26|431}}.

There are two types of mountain path found on the mountain. The first is passable, and allows for movement just as most other forms of terrain in the game. The second only allows for vertical movement ("Go Up" and "Go Down"). Either way returns you to a jungle square (going up puts you on a level jungle trail that winds around the mountain).

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Dark Cave ===
[[Cave]] spotted somewhere near Dalpok at {{GPS|70|368|26|442}} (up on the mountain path). It leads to a tunnel that leads deeper into the mountain.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Small Cave ===
At the southwestern base of the mountain is a small cave at {{GPS|70|333|26|425}}. It leads to a tunnel that cuts through a section of the mountain.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

=== Tunnel ===
There are two types of tunnel found in the mountain. The first is passable, and allows for movement just as most other forms of terrain in the game. The second only allows for vertical movement ("Go Up" and "Go Down").

One entrance at {{GPS|70|368|26|442}} (up on mountain path). Reportedly easy for one to get lost in. It seems to contain nothing but rats and other players who are lost.

There is another tunnel through the mountain's southwest tip with ends at {{map|70|339|26|429}} and {{map|70|333|26|425}} and a single 45-degree turn at {{map|70|337|26|429}}.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''1 AP'' (''.5 AP'' with the ''[[Trekking]]'' skill)
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (3%)

== Swamp ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#887722;font-family:Verdana;">Swamp</div>

Follow the river south of the mountain to find an [[alligator]]-infested swamp.
*'''Movement cost:''' ''2 AP''
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' (blunt cutlass, blunt machete, gold coin) you can only find items when you are in the middle of a 3 by 3 grid of swamp

It is important to note that searching in Swamp squares uses ''3 AP''.

== Water ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">Water</div>

Water surrounds the island and can be found in various rivers and lakes on the island.

Water can be used to refill empty bottles and gourds. Clicking on an empty container at a River, Lake, Waterfall, or Pool produces a container of (fresh) water, which can be used to heal 2 hit points. Clicking on an empty container in sea water produces a container of salt water, which causes 2 hit points damage if consumed.

*'''Movement cost:''' ''2 AP'' (''1 AP'' with the ''[[Swimming]]'' skill)
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' broken knife (discarded) (8%)

=== River ===
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">River</div>

=== Lake ===
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">Lake</div>

=== Pool ===
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">Pool</div>

:''A large pool of water has formed in a depression in the ground, probably from an underground source.''

The only known pool is four squares in size and is located at {{map|70|486|26|504}} (northwest of the mountain and between Dalpok and the shipwreck). It feeds a river which flows north to the ocean.

=== Waterfall ===
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#6666ff;font-family:Verdana;">Waterfall</div>

A waterfall {{GPS|70|351|26|429}} on the south side of the mountain forms a river leading south - climbing the waterfall takes you to a small ledge of jungle with no apparent features.

== Water (deep) ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#4444af;font-family:Verdana;">Water</div>

Deeper water can be found further out.

[[Shark]]s, which cannot be seen, attack in deep water. The attacks take 2 [[HP]] and leave the player wounded. The wound takes 1 HP per action (per mouse click, not per AP) and can only be healed by a [[first aid kit]] or [[healing herbs]].
*'''Movement cost:''' ''3 AP'' (''2 AP'' with the ''[[Swimming]]'' skill)
**'''Approx find rates (0%):''' (speculative) broken knife (discarded) (8%)

== Ocean ==
<div style="width:80px;height:80px;padding:5px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#22228f;font-family:Verdana;">Ocean</div>

Ocean water is impassable, and forms the outer boundary of the map.

[[Category:Glossary]]

DPB work

2007-07-27T20:24:08Z

0000FF Beard:

This is the Durham Propaganda Broadsheet work page for editors and reporters to share scraps they are working on for the paper so we can keep the real thing clean.

Plant Story by 0000FF Beard

Plants, they are everywhere. 
But not only farmers and roadworkers are interested in them: fighters, traders and even medics may have their way blocked by some trees. 
Just 10 squares of plants can make a difference of up to 25 action points, depending on their density. 
If those 10 squares have no plants growing on them, it'll only cost 5 action points to walk along them. 
However, if they are all completely filled with trees, it will take 30 action points to get across them (10 to chop a path, 20 to walk), and more than 100 action points to remove all vegetation. 
And altough beaches can be used to travel without seeing a single bush, sometimes there simply is no other option but going trough the jungle. 
Natives know that very well, as they live near the centre of the island.

To solve the problem of the plants, people started to make roads, to cut down all nature in their camp and to cut down everything they ever saw. 
Later, clans dedicated to maintaining roads were created, and finally the Deforestation Movement apeared. 
Very soon big deserts and empty areas started to show up. 
There were groups that wanted to protect the nature, however, but they were no longer present at the time these destructive clans were made. 
Only one person could stop this terrible vegetal massacre: Batman! 
He was out of town, unfortunately. 

Dr. Livingstone, a scientist from York, had recently completed a long and dangerous travel escaping from the insane authorities of his home camp, after which he really wanted to take a long time of relax before his next adventure. 
While on said travel, he heard strange stories telling about liquids that could manipulate the growth rate of plants. 
He had not much interesting to do in his new home, and decided to see if those tales were true. 
Expensive supplies were needed for his experiment, however, but as soon as those were obtained, he entered the jungle. 

Fresh water, salt water, mango juice, banana juice, beer, rum and poison berry juice, those were the liquids he poured on different parts of the ground. 
The next day, he was very surprised when he saw that the fresh water had caused plants to grow in just one day. 
That meant it would no longer take 70 days for the vegetation of a square to grow back, but only 10 days. 
Salt water slowed the growth down, but not too much, and the other liquids seemed to have almost no effect at all. 
It was one of the most successful experiments (and the only one) he had ever made. 

You might wonder why this experiment was useful, and the answer is simple: knowing how to get jungle back is very important for people who want to fight deforestation, make defenses around their village, block roads or cut words into the jungle and make a mistake while doing so. 

Remember, kids: when you're thirsty, don't drink the water, instead pour it on our future overlords, the plants.

DPB work

2007-07-27T17:59:33Z

0000FF Beard:

This is the Durham Propaganda Broadsheet work page for editors and reporters to share scraps they are working on for the paper so we can keep the real thing clean.

Plant Story by 0000FF Beard

Plants, they are everywhere. 
But not only farmers and roadworkers are interested in them: fighters, traders and even medics may have their way blocked by some trees. 
Just 10 squares of plants can make a difference of up to 25 action points, depending on their density. 
If those 10 squares have no plants growing on them, it'll only cost 5 action points to walk along them. 
However, if they are all completely filled with trees, it will take 30 action points to get across them (10 to chop a path, 20 to walk), and more than 100 action points to remove all vegetation. 
And altough beaches can be used to travel without seeing a single bush, sometimes there simply is no other option but going trough the jungle. 
Natives know that very well, as they live near the centre of the island.

To solve the problem of the plants, people started to make roads, to cut down all nature in their camp and to cut down everything they ever saw. 
Later, clans dedicated to maintaining roads were created, and finally the Deforestation Movement apeared. 
Very soon big deserts and empty areas started to show up. 
There were groups that wanted to protect the nature, however, but they were no longer present at the time these destructive clans were made. 
Only one person could stop this terrible vegetal massacre: Batman! 
He was out of town, unfotunately. 

Dr. Livingstone, a scientist from York, had recently completed a long and dangerous travel escaping from the insane authorities of his home camp, after which he really wanted to take a long time of relax before his next adventure. 
While on said travel, he heard strange stories telling about liquids that could manipulate the growth rate of plants. 
He had not much interesting to do in his new home, and decided to see if those tales were true. 
Expensive supplies were needed for his experiment, however, but as soon as those were obtained, he entered the jungle. 

Fresh water, salt water, mango juice, banana juice, beer, rum and poison berry juice, those were the liquids he poured on different parts of the ground. 
The next day, he was very surprised when he saw that the fresh water had caused plants to grow in just one day. 
That meant it would no longer take 70 days for the vegetation of a square to grow back, but only 10 days. 
Salt water slowed the growth down, but not too much, and the other liquids seemed to have almost no effect at all. 
It was one of the most successful experiments (and the only one) he had ever made. 

You might wonder why this experiment was useful, and the answer is simple: knowing how to get jungle back is very important for people who want to fight deforestation, make defenses around their village, block roads or cut words into the jungle and make a mistake while doing so. 

Remember, kids: when you're thirsty, don't drink the water, instead pour it on our future overlords, the plants.

DPB work

2007-07-27T17:09:02Z

0000FF Beard:

This is the Durham Propaganda Broadsheet work page for editors and reporters to share scraps they are working on for the paper so we can keep the real thing clean.

Plant Story by 0000FF Beard

Plants, they are everywhere. 
But not only farmers and roadworkers are interested in them: fighters, traders and even medics may have their way blocked by some trees. 
Just 10 squares of plants can make a difference of up to 25 action points, depending on their density. 
If those 10 squares have no plants growing on them, it'll only cost 5 action points to walk along them. 
However, if they are all completely filled with trees, it will take 30 action points to get across them (10 to chop a path, 20 to walk), and more than 100 action points to remove all vegetation. 
And altough beaches can be used to travel without seeing a single bush, sometimes there simply is no other option but going trough the jungle. 
Natives know that very well, as they live near the centre of the island.

To solve the problem of the plants, people started to make roads, to cut down all nature in their camp and to cut down everything they ever saw. 
Later, clans dedicated to maintaining roads were created, and finally the Deforestation Movement apeared. 
Very soon big deserts and empty areas started to show up. 
There were groups that wanted to protect the nature, however, but they were no longer present at the time these destructive clans were made. 
Only one person could stop this terrible vegetal massacre: Batman! 
He was out of town, unfotunately. 

Dr. Livingstone, a scientist from York, had recently completed a long and dangerous travel escaping from the insane authorities of his home camp, after which he really wanted to take a long time of relax before his next adventure. 
While on said travel, he heard strange stories telling about liquids that could manipulate the growth rate of plants. 
He had not much interesting to do in his new home, and decided to see if those tales were true. 
Expensive supplies were needed for his experiment, however, but as soon as those were obtained, he entered the jungle. 

Fresh water, salt water, mango juice, banana juice, beer, rum and poison berry juice, those were the liquids he poured on different parts of the ground. 
The next day, he was very surprised when he saw that the fresh water had caused plants to grow in just one day. 
That meant it would no longer take 70 days for the vegetation of a square to grow back, but only 10 days. 
Salt water slowed the growth down, but not too much, and the other liquids seemed to have almost no effect at all. 
It was one of the most successful experiments (and the only one) he had ever made. 

You might wonder why this experiment was useful, and the answer is simple: knowing how to get jungle back is very important for people who want to fight deforestation, make defenses around their village, block roads or cut words into the jungle and make a mistake while doing so. 

So remember, kids: when you're thirsty, don't drink the water, instead pour it on our future overlords, the plants.

DPB work

2007-07-27T16:37:22Z

0000FF Beard:

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Plant Story by 0000FF Beard

Plants, they are everywhere.
But not only farmers and roadworkers are interested in them: fighters, traders and even medics may have their way blocked by some trees.
Just 10 squares of plants can make a difference of up to 25 action points, depending on their density.
If those 10 squares have no plants growing on them, it'll only cost 5 action points to walk along them.
However, if they are all completely filled with trees, it will take 30 action points to get across them (10 to chop a path, 20 to walk), and more than 100 action points to remove all vegetation.
And altough beaches can be used to travel without seeing a single bush, sometimes there simply is no other option but going trough the jungle.
Natives know that very well, as they live near the centre of the island.

To solve the problem of the plants, people started to make roads, to cut down all nature in their camp and to cut down everything they ever saw.
Later, clans dedicated to maintaining roads were created, and finally the Deforestation Movement apeared.
Very soon big deserts and empty areas started to show up.
There were groups that wanted to protect the nature, however, but they were no longer present at the time these destructive clans were made.
Only one person could stop this terrible vegetal masacre: Batman!
He was out of town, unfotunately.

Dr. Livingstone, a scientist from York, had recently completed a long and dangerous travel escaping from the insane authorities of his home camp, after which he really wanted to take a long time of relax before his next adventure.
While on said travel, he heard strange stories telling about liquids that could manipulate the growth rate of plants.
He had not much interesting to do in his new home, and decided to see if those tales were true.
Expensive supplies were needed for his experiment, however, but as soon as those were obtained, he entered the jungle.

Fresh water, salt water, mango juice, banana juice, beer, rum and poison berry juice, those were the liquids he poured on different parts of the ground.
The next day, he was very surprised when he saw that the fresh water had caused plants to grow in just one day.
That meant it would no longer take 70 days for the vegetation of a square to grow back, but only 10 days.
Salt water slowed the growth down, but not too much, and the other liquids seemed to have almost no effect at all.
It was one of the most successful experiments (and the only one) he had ever made.

You might wonder why this experiment was useful, and the answer is simple: knowing how to get jungle back is very important for people who want to fight deforestation, make defenses around their village, block roads or cut words into the jungle and make a mistake while doing so.

So remember, kids: when you're thirsty, don't drink the water, instead pour it on our future overlords, the plants.

Suggestions:Miscellaneous

2007-06-21T10:11:28Z

0000FF Beard: /* More Economic Information */

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Miscellaneous}}

== Miscellaneous ==

===Entrance text===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New text|
suggest_scope=Entering places|
suggest_description=At the moment, if as a ghost I enter a hut (at any rate), I get the message "You step inside." As I leave, I get "You climb outside." Now I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that ghosts are supposed to 'float through the jungle' and whatnot, so shouldn't the same apply to buildings. I suggest that the text be changed to something like "you float through the wall" - or something better, I'll leave that to Simon.|
suggest_time=19:50, 24th February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:slayerofmuffins|slayerofmuffins]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

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===Plantable-Plants===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=A player would be able to plant a seed or berry to have a bush grow with a slim chance of success. It may need some watering and a little time to grow. It would function like a normal tree or berry bush, and appear in a block's description. It would last until the block it was in is chopped past a certain density, so it would not work on a beach. Overgrowth by random weeds would also destroy it. It doesn't need to show up on the map as an icon. There might be a small XP reward for successfully planting one.|
suggest_time=05:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=

This sounds like the suggested [http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Skills#Planting.2Fagriculture Planting/Agriculture] skill. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:This idea is simpler and doesn't require a new skill.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Temporary Shelter===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=With quite a few pieces of driftwood, a player would be able to erect a temporary hut, for a small XP reward. If making an enterable hut is too costly on the server and/or its maintainers, then make it simply create a square in which a player is not so suceptible to attack by animals or any sort of weather implemented in the future. The hut would last until either it collapsed on its own, if improperly maintained(by adding driftwood every few days), or if attacked by another player or animal. Weather may even knock it down. This would be a fairly simple terrain type, so any additions by game implementers would work very well.|
suggest_time=05:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=



}}

===Player NotePad===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=Players need a little notepad that they can keep notes on in their profile. Notes that only they can see, such as locations of certain places of interest they have found, or plans they want to keep for the next day's AP spending or roleplaying. This would work like the player desciption, easily editable and update-able. I'd use it to keep the coordinates of berry bushes I'd find in my area I patrol.|
suggest_time=05:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=



}}

=== Tunnels ===
Tunnels underneath the island lead to interesting places.

''Comments''
:How do you know they don't exist? :) [[User:Dr._J|Dr. J]]
::Tunnels underneath the island '''lead to interesting places.''' --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:43, 8 June 2006 (BST)
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=== Treasure to capture ===
"Capture the flag" type objective, in this case the flags are treasure from each village. Bonus points in the form of XP or gold coins to be awarded to the holder of the treasure at certain intervals.

''Comments''
:I would like to modify this slightly Mystery Suggester. Please see the '''[[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Unique_Item_Hunt|Unique Item Hunt]]''' suggestion. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
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=== Player VS Player Interaction ===
I would propoese a to hit % penalty for attacking members of same Home location. I believe this will promote exploration and perhaps offer a measure of protection of newly "birthed" population. As a recent victim of death by the hands of a warrior from my own villiage this has a bit of appeal to me ;). - [[User:Nankilstlas|Nan]]

''Comments''
:Instead of a hit % penalty, what about reducing or eliminating XP earned for such attacks? It would be similar to the ZvZ penalty used in UrbanDead, and its easier to rationalize not getting as much experience fighting one of your own than to rationalize that its harder to hit your own people for some reason. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:52, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

:The to hit penalty and the lack of XP should be combined to discourage intravillage conflicts but only on nonclan members(so clans from the same village can fight with each other to simulate a power struggle for leadership), extend this to shamans as well, as its not often the village shaman gets killed by an out-of-towner. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 00:27, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

:I don't like this idea--especially with the inclusion of pirates in the game. It makes sense for pirates to trun on each other now and then, or to turn to pillaging from one of the outsider towns. All of a sudden, for our good RPing we get a reduced chance to hit and no XP?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:30, 29 March 2006 (BST)

:I have suggested a full non player vs player implementation at [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#PvP_Protection]]. --[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 10:10, 13 April 2006 (BST)

:Players already get less XP for attacking someone from their own camp, and no kill bonus (if I remember correctly). You would still gain a bit of experience from fighting with your own, just not quite as much as when it's a life or death situation against someone hostile. Do we really need this suggestion to be implemented? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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=== Spirit Movement ===

A couple thoughts on this topic.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

*My character has the "trekking" skill, but as a spirit, actually moves '''slower''' (1 AP per square) than when he's alive! Spirits should move '''at least''' as fast as someone skilled at traversing terrain.
::Perhaps spirits have less impetus than live characters --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 18:55, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Spirits move effortlessly through the thickest jungle, water, swamp--as it should be. Why should mountains be an impediment?
:Perhaps there's some kind of mineral in the mountain that prevents the spirit from passing through it.. could be mined later on to spirit-proof huts or something (clutching at straws here, can you tell) ?
:They also can't move through the deepest water, but that is the boundary of the game I'm guessing.

So what's the suggestion here? Perhaps this belongs in the Talk page instead? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:51, 27 May 2006 (BST)

:Is the suggestion that spirits can move for 0.5AP instead of 1AP regardless of terrain? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

::Fast-moving spirits don't make sense to me. Zipping across Shartak by dying doesn't seem right (unless you're contacting the home shaman). I prefer the idea of a spirit that is somewhat "bound" to their site of death. A high fixed movement cost per square (1AP or 2AP) creates this binding effect. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 05:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:The main problem with this suggestion is that it lets spirits travel faster than everyone but explorers (since heavy jungle sometimes gets in a trekker's way), meaning that if you're dead and have somewhere to be, it's better to float across the island than walk across it. This means fewer visible people in the jungle and fewer player interactions overall. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 05:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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===Player Titles===

To supplement the explored/killed statistics, give players rank titles based on percentiles. For example, if Jack is in the bottom 10% of explorers and the 30th percentile of hunters, his profile would show him as "Greenhorn Jack the Good Shot", if Sheila is in the top 10% killers and middle 50 explorer, she would be "The Adventurous Sheila, Grandmaster Hunter", and [[User:Murk|Murk]] would simply be "Demigod Murk". The titles would be determined once a day like the stats, only apply to active players, and only take active players into consideration when determining percentile. This will help statistics be more relevant to all players, as once time goes on and new players start, the top 100 may be quite a distant goal. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:15, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I like it. It adds flavor to the game. I also agree that this system should be based on dynamic percentiles to allow for new players to compete with some of the more established ranking players. A static listing would be incredibly difficult for newcomers to break into. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:12, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

*This could be done in a similar manner to the rogue elephants and ferocious tigers that we have now. Several questions need to be answered first.
:* A title for every player or just those in the weekly top A% of whatever chart?
:* Just to be displayed in the profile or in the location description as well e.g. Here you can see [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1850 Fatninja], the hunter, and [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=6 Leaky Bocks].
:* What kind of statistics would need to be kept for this to work?
::* areas explored for the explorer titles - not a problem, we have the top 20 explorers this week already, it can be expanded to include however many players are required to make it work since it's just a case of manipulating the raw data differently.
::* animal kills for the hunter titles? specific types of animals killed e.g "Bob the parrot killer", "Fred the big game hunter", "Bert the murderer" (pkills) rather than just all animals killed?
::* something for some other kind of title, trading perhaps? "Tycho the master salesperson" for example ;)
:* Of the above, the explorer titles are the easiest to do. Kills will need some adjusting because there are no database timestamps on kills at the moment, just raw quantities as seen on the [http://www.shartak.com/statkills.html kill statistics] page..
:--[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:: A title for every character, with the top A% appearing in the location description and profile pages, and everyone else only appearing in the profile page - this lets everyone know where they stand and keeps the location page less cluttered. For statistics, some records for healers and wailers should be kept in addition to trading, like HP healed (modified by recipient's travelling/trading/killing stats), number of times screamed/shrieked/wailed (balanced for severity of attack), number of trades (modified by number of towns trades were done in and rarity of item). Kills in particular to the animal that has been killed would be more distinctive and flavourful - should it also be in particular to the town (or clan??) for pkills, making "the Butcher of York" an official title?

:: Weekly tabulating of titles will make them very transient. Perhaps once a title is acquired it is kept so long as you're halfway to that title each successive week (not affecting others gaining the same title if they're in the appropriate rankings)? --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 15:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

::I thought a little bit about this after I made that early comment. It becomes fairly hard for a newbie to compete with the existing stat leaders regardless if the awards were static or scaling. I think the best way to handle this is a two-tiered approach, one that rewards players for accomplishing static minor goals and one that rewards players for being the highest rank. The latter is already accomplished through the statistics, but the former has not been addressed. Most of what follows is inspired by a [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=173904 draft suggestion] on the Urban Dead wiki and my experience with Nexus War. I see these award descriptions appearing only on the profile pages to cut down on clutter. Each degree of award is assigned at some arbitrary number. Perhaps 10, 100, 500 (with more titles developed as the game progresses). When a player achieves a target number, an award flag is raised. Every 24 hour period, the server will compute the rankings and append a prefix or suffix to the player's existing award.
::* Area explored - Wanderer, Traveller, Adventurer
:::Bonus prefixes for top-ranking explorers: Top 1% - Worldly, Top 5% - Experienced, Top 20% - (e.g., Worldly Adventurer)
::* Hasn't killed anyone - Pacifist
::* Killed animals - Herder, Hunter, Slayer
:::Bonus prefixes to state which type of animal the player has killed the most (e.g., Wild Boar Herder, Elephant Hunter, Special Slayer)
::* Killed opposing side - Killer, Fighter, Conqueror
::* Killed same side - Turncoat, Backstabber, Traitor
:::Bonus prefixes for top-ranking killers: Top 1% - Bloodthirsty, Top 5% - Fierce, Top 20% - Brutal (e.g., Bloodthirsty Conqueror, Bloodthirsty Traitor, Bloodthirsty Wild Boar Slayer).

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===Inventory Limit===

I think I would like to have an indication of how much of my inventory limit is being used up. :D --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:12, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
* The inventory is somewhat flexible in size (+/- 2) so wouldn't be completely foolproof if represented as "(x/y)" appended to the inventory header, I could do something like a small bit of text just below the header like "You can carry lots more" "You can carry more things" "You can't carry much more" "You might be able to carry a couple more things" "You can't carry anything else". The question is though, is it just you that wants this feature? If so, you might be able to do something clever with greasemonkey. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:02, 14 April 2006 (BST)
* Ah. In that case, a greasemonkey script would be fine. I imagine it would require a little list of all the inventory item names and then a size value assigned to each. Then parse through the list and do simple addition and display the result. I might try my hand at it, but I don't promise anything. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:13, 14 April 2006 (BST)
**"is it just you that wants this feature?" Hmm, I assumed everyone would want this feature. Perhaps "your inventory is getting full" and "your inventory is full" would be sufficient warning, but inventory size info seems valuable. Also, the Trader won't give me a rifle for my bananas (you can't carry more) even though I'm giving away much more than I'm getting -- the trading mechanism appears to check for overload based on carrying both the given and received items. Perhaps a feature... but he's the guy who owns an entire hut, you'd think he'd be willing to carry both during the transaction rather than requiring me to shoulder the burden. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:10, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***<Bump.> Also, why not "(x/y)" appended to the inventory header? If the game code can figure out whether or not the inventory is full, it seems that the player could be able to figure out the same info. Even a simple load indication "(x)" would work fine, if the worry is that total inventory capacity 70-74 depends on quirky variable info rather than being static based on class. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:36, 15 May 2006 (BST) Besides which, seems like most everyone has an inventory limit of 71 now. (2 for blowpipes or rifles, 0 for gold coins.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:31, 20 May 2006 (BST)
*See the last list item at [[The_Shartak_Wiki:Community_Portal#Greasemonkey_scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 07:51, 28 May 2006 (BST)
* Still needed/wanted or is the greasemonkey script sufficient? Would this change if, for example, backpacks or some other means of carrying extra items was implemented? Inventory size: 23/90 --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
** It would be nice to have an official inventory counter mechanic as I believe the script is based on a handful of assumptions (inventory size for all classes is 71, gold coins are weightless, ranged weapons have weight of 2 units) and will require testing and updating whenever a new item is added. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
* Ok, this has been added...
<nowiki>36 / 70</nowiki>
but the invsize style is set to display:none by default - override it to get it to display alongside the inventory header. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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===In-game Rankings===

I was noticing recently that one of my characters seemed to have killed a lot of parrots lately. I realizing that such information is tracked on the game stats page, but not necessarily everyone looks at it, and I thought it might be fun to have something in-game to acknowledge the player who has killed the most creatures of each type. Maybe a line is added to the player's description page, or the color of their name is different, or a mysterious "crown of the fallen parrots" appears in their inventory--no real impact, just bragging rights. It should be easy enough to implement, and might add a little intrigue.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:03, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* See the player titles suggestion further up! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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=== Wiki: table CSS ===

It would be nice if there were a class set up in the wiki's CSS file so that we could make attractive tables (see my ugly, hackish one on [[Tips and tricks]]). I tried to edit [[WikiMedia:Common.css]] but it's edit-locked. --[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]] 16:14, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
* I don't know that WikiMedia:Common.css is the right thing to edit - That link takes me off to an external site! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
** What the heck! Ha, sorry. Now I can't find the page on either this wiki or the WikiMedia page. Weird. Well anyhow, it would be nice to have a useful table class. Thanks, Simon.
*** What kind of table class? Do you mean something to give a particular title bar, and row colours? Similar to the one on the front page. Got an example of what you'd put in the css file? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:58, 3 April 2006 (BST)
**** Colors aren't too important, I was more concerned with borders. Something simple like:
table.bordered, table.bordered td {
border: 1px solid black;

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=== Pets ===

''Discussion of Pets has been moved to the existing [[Suggestions:Game mechanics#Pet System|Pet System]] suggestion.''
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===ruins===
the ruins in the game are mostly for show, and that can be aggravating at times, as i would love to "explore" ruins more if there was something there. i am suggesting several things such as:
*unique, ruin only monsters
*special items found only in ruins
*if quests are implemented, a quest location

this is a very vague suggestion, but i feel that alot of the ruins on the map are just too bland. i camped out at ruins with my character "Richard Rose" and i stayed there for a week (in real time) because there was nothing better to do. and nothing and i mean NOTHING passed by, no game, no fruit trees, no players. it was completely desolate, and i am just suggesting several "interesting" components for ruins.

'''Comments:'''
*I have to agree that last I checked, the Ruins seemed like a total bust. Fifty searches yielded worse than the typical Jungle average. No events triggered, no creatures, no spirits, no variable flavor descriptions.
:* "As the wind blows through the ruined arch, you hear the spirit voices of the ancestors" (gain 1 XP).
:* "You find a bundle of parrot feathers tied to a leather strap. The spirit magic of this amulet has long since faded away." (junk item that could be implemented with magic/spirits later).
:* "Ghosts of the ancient dead chill your soul" (lose 2 HP, gain 2 XP).
:* "Sliding the heavy iron lid to one side, you discover [[The Conch|The Conch(tm)]]!"
:...And so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:56, 15 May 2006 (BST)
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===Wind===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Element Addition|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=
Add the concept of wind to the game. Could be either constant (always from the west) or random over time, possibly even dependant on the side of the island you're on. For now, including a changing wind speed (10mph to 30mph) may be overly complex. Wind can affect spirit movement, pigeon delivery times, fire movement, etc.|
suggest_time=16:54, 14 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Frisco|Frisco]]|
suggest_comments=

* Working this out technically might be a bit much, but I would like to see similar environmental variables on the island. It would increase the variety in the game and provide a creative amount of unpredictability while not being outlandish. Perhaps there can be a similar effect for the water current and tide as well. I can't wait until there are hurricane-strength winds that whip around everyone unless they're safe inside the mountain tunnels. Mwahaha. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:08, 14 April 2006 (BST)
:* A tornado/hurricane would be possible, scattering players and npcs that it runs over into adjacent squares. It would have to move every 30-60 minutes and theoretically could move players halfway across the island if it happened to throw them into the same square that it then moved into next. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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===UDTool type Firefox plugin===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Plugin|
suggest_scope=All players with Firefox|
suggest_description=I don't have any coding skills, but I'm sure many of you out there do. Currently there is no way to add people to a contact list, thus making it difficult to recoginse people. Could someone please develop a UDTool style plugin (like that seen in Urban Dead) that allows you to add player's names and assign them to groups with user defined colours? Basically just port the UDTool over to Shartak users, so when you're in a hut or square with others, you can see people you've encoutnered with a llittle bit of text to pop up at your cursor telling you why they're important to you (like the 'notes' feature in the UDTool).|
suggest_time=08:18, 27 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]]|
suggest_comments=

* This has partially been implemented in-game, we now have contact lists that identify people from the opposing side as well. That's not to say that an UDTool type plugin isn't required though. Perhaps this isn't the best place to put this suggestion though, but somewhere for the real greasemonkey wizards to see it? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:50, 12 June 2006 (BST)

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===Hide Skills===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Technical|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=I think it would be useful to be able to have a "Hide Skills" button which hides what skills you possess from those viewing your profile, I know many people wouldn't care but it would be useful for players whose skills don't fit with the way they roleplay. Besides who can tell how good a shot someone is simply by looking at them?|
suggest_time=08:18, 31 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]]|
suggest_comments=

* ''Comment removed'' --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:06, 6 June 2006 (BST)
** Well, hiding (as a skill) seems different from "hiding your list of skills"... although perhaps that would be a way to boost characters with Sixth Sense, who know how good a shot you are simply by looking at you. I like the effects of having fully revealed skills. Realistically, your home town should hardly be public knowledge, nor the date of your last demise, nor your killer, and so on. Perhaps a "Disguise" skill would give you access to a button that shields your character info (such as level) while you sleep (at a small AP cost). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:51, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** It makes sense. No more can I look at the victim's skills t osee how well they'll be able to track me if Ifail to kill them. ;) --[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:50, 1 June 2006 (BST)
***That is another bonus to be sure, might add a little ''tang'' to your game. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 07:28, 6 June 2006 (BST)
***The problem with doing anything "while you sleep" is that it's hard to know whether you're actually not playing, or just taking a very long time between clicks. Idleness is triggered after 7 days of not doing anything, although I'm not sure if simply loading the main game page is considered to be doing something, I'd have to check. I suppose "asleep" is either something you activate on your last go and the next time you reload the page, you're awake again, or else when you haven't done anything for an arbitrary length of time (say 3 hours). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:18, 9 June 2006 (BST)
****There's no issue with ''player-activated'' sleep conditions. Clicking a button ("Disguise Self 4AP" or however many AP you want it to cost) activates the Disguise. Player skills are then concealed. They remain Disguised forever until they click anything, at which point they leave the state. The state never activates automatically (in 3 hours or 7 days), because you have to pay to activate it. There are no mechanical complexities. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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===Jungle Regrowth===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= Alteration|
suggest_scope= The regrowth of the Jungle Terrain type|
suggest_description= As I understand the growth of the Jungle terrain is currently random. At any time a square of jungle can grow anywhere on the map, except for Water and Beach terrain, and when it happens to grow on a square which already contains Jungle it increases the density of that jungle by one. Now to me, this appears to conflict with one of the driving emotions of Shartak, the battle between civilisation and 'the wilds'. At the moment a player can spend a week's AP expanding the settlement's borders only to find that jungle has randomly cropped up in the middle of the settlement. This is highly demoralising and also leads to strange patches of jungle in the middle of no where. I prepose that new Jungle Terrain is formed in the following manner:

*Whenever a square of Jungle with a density above D2 or above is touching a square of D0 terrain it has a 1% chance every hour of "seeding" each D0 square with Jungle. By seeding I mean, the D0 square would become Jungle terrain with a density half that of the square that seeded it.

*Each square of Jungle (with the exception of D10) has a 7.5% chance of "growing" into the density level 1 above its current.

This would mean that roads would be harder to maintain, as they would have to be recut every 4 days or so, but settlements would be easier to maintain and expand as a dedicated weeder or two could slowly push back the borders of the settlement. I know nothing of coding so it may be a coding nightmare and the numbers may need to be tweaked, but I feel that this makes the Jungle more the second enemy that it is in all those Jungle Warfare fiction novels rather than an annoying and unrealistic random occurrence.

'''Edit''': On second thought it may just be easier to create a "coding requirment" that new Jungle Terrain appear within 3 squares of an already positioned Jungle Square. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 08:24, 6 June 2006 (BST) |
suggest_time=08:18, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]]|
suggest_comments=

If I understand your comment correctly, you're bothered by the light green d1 Jungles that pop up inside settlements. It is possible that the game already uses a non-random algorithm to grow jungle; in any case, jungle does not appear to grow instantly two or more levels, so the cleanup is ongoing but minor. The crux of your suggestion could be achieved by modifying the current grow system so that d1 did not grow in a fully d0 zone. For example, the game checks a d0-d1 to make sure that there is adjacent d1+ jungle; if not, the game heads out in a random direction (or towards the center of shartak) to the last available d0 square before jungle, and grows that location d0-d1 instead. This would result in the same overall growth speed, but d0-d1 changes would occur on the boundaries rather than the interior of a paved area. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:55, 8 June 2006 (BST)
*Yes that probably work better with less coding work, but do you have an opinion on such a change? [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 08:36, 8 June 2006 (BST)
* There is a simple algorithm for determining growth of jungle, but it's not as clever as this, it's all to do with growth rate of the square and how often people chop it back. There is also a limit of about 10% of the island that can grow in any given day but it's not hitting the limit at the moment. Having to look at the surrounding squares would also involve having to write the growth as a script rather than a couple of lines of SQL so I'm not overly keen on this even though it would make a bit of sense. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 8 June 2006 (BST)
*If it requires a large amount of coding work I wouldn't worry about it, theres a lot of more imporant suggestions than this one about, I just thought it may have been something you overlooked when creating the regrowth system and could perhaps be easily fixed. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 09:49, 9 June 2006 (BST)


}}

===Animal Meat===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= Alteration|
suggest_scope= get meat from dead animals|
suggest_description= well it's simple you kill and animal and you can get it's meat from the corpse!or.... and also eventually the animal on the floor will run out of meat and as it says"there is a corpse of a large stag" that will not be there when it runs out of meat....[meat restores 2 HP].|
suggest_time=04:52, 8 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Riddick|Riddick]]|
suggest_comments=

* There is an existing [[Suggestions:Items#Meat|meat suggestion]]. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 06:32, 8 June 2006 (BST)

}}

===Breakable weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Weapon alteration|
suggest_scope=All weapons|
suggest_description=I'd like to propose that all weapons break occassionally. At the moment, cutlasses and machetes do, but I don't think any other weapons do. This means that there is a surplus of rifles and blowpipes on the island, as they continue to be produced, but are never destroyed. It makes perfect sense for a rifle or blowpipe to break (poor handling or poor workmanship?). Additionally, once someone acquires a heavy sword, it is theirs permanently (to my knowledge). If it was breakable, it would be both more realistic and less unbalancing. That being said, the very name "heavy sword" implies that it is strongly built, so perhaps it should have a significantly lower chance of breaking than a machete or cutlass.|
suggest_time=10:25, 19 July 2006|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

* Also take a look at Suggestions:Items, where there is a Remove Uber Sword of Doom (aka Heavy Sword) discussion. If I recall correctly, both Simon and Jones Dye have implied that heavy swords do break. I'm not sure why the name "heavy sword" suggests anything other than the sword weighing a lot. Whether it breaks a little or a lot, the heavy sword is still by far the best item in the game, and would still be superior even if it did 1 less damage and broke with normal frequency. Rifles and blowpipes are common - it would be fine for them to have a slight breakage chance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 16:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
**To me, heavy implies it's either thick or otherwise stronger. However, that's just my personal take on it, and it's not really a major point. My main suggestion is that any weapon should have a chance of breaking. Otherwise, there will be a surplus. Incidentally, I saw the "Uber Sword of Doom" entry, but given that this covers all weapons, I thought it best to create a separate topic. Thank you for your input, by the way. - [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* I agree weapons should break occasionally, but I especially would like to see machetes and knives dull with use more often (I dont know if I have ever personally had this happen [though I've heard it does happen], and I've been playing for nearly 7 months), thereby changing your machete into a blunt machete (there arent blunt knives/blunt cutlasses in the game, as far as i know. maybe there should be). Rifles should occasionally explode, too, destroying the weapon and giving you 10 damage or something. Those old-fashioned rifles would occassionally do that. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Secret Shop===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=new addition|
suggest_scope= |
suggest_description= I like to see the introduction of secret shops (traders) to Shartak which allow players to purchase hard to find items (heavy sword or charms) and/or special/unique (non-searchable) items at hyper-inflated prices say between (100 to 1000 gold coins). Accesses to such shops are either treacherous (crossing an area full of giant squids in deep water) or complex (requiring the completion of puzzles/quests) or time specific (opening for one day a year) or possibly a combination of all three. This would thus open up gameplay potential for high level players who have maxed out or allow players to get certain items without having to leave it up to chance. Potentially I see such shops being placed in ruins, islands or caves to promote exploration.|
suggest_time=09:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]]|
suggest_comments=

The shop should move every now and then, so that it may be re-discovered by different people. --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 04:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Merchants===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Addition|
suggest_scope=All settlements|
suggest_description=At the moment, gold coins are fairly easy to get, but they aren't in much demand. You can use them to trade, but they aren't removed from circulation. Since new gold coins are constantly added, this means the value will steadily decline as scarcity decreases.

I suggest splitting the trading and merchant functions. The trader will continue to trade, but he will cease making his high speed runs to the ammo hut to replenish his stock. He will work solely with what people trade with him. However, there would also be a merchant. He would accept only gold coins as payment, but would have unlimited stocks. To reduce the chance for abuse, he would charge grossly inflated prices. For example, a med kit runs about 2 gold coins under ordinary circumstances. The merchant would charge 8 to 10. He would act as a guaranteed source of supply, but you would pay dearly for the convenience. Spending 200 gold coins would only get 20-25 med kits at this price. Thus, newcomers without much money would not be particularly disadvantaged, since they could just search for what they need, but established players would be able to stock up on items they actually need. Additionally, the merchant would only sell items that can be found in that settlement. GPS could not be bought at the shipwreck, and rum could not be purchased in native villages. Other possible alterations are linking the price to demand or adjusting price to match the item's find rate (e.g. FAK's are harder to find at the shipwreck, so the price will be higher).

The primary purpose of this policy is to serve as a "gold sink". Gold coins spent at the merchant are removed from circulation, reducing the inflation inherent in Shartak's current economic model. That being said, this is a very rough guess, and I'm sure there are flaws I've missed. Please offer any input you may have.|
suggest_time=16:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Very good suggestion. Also, some major new expensive items that would only be able to be bought from the all-purpose merchant (not found by searching). I was thinking some time ago about being able to buy a cannon for 500 gold coins, which would serve as a means to actually hold a position and provide heavy defensive ability, it would fire on any enemy that comes within a square of it, and if it hits would inflict 50 damage. The specifics could be worked out. Another idea for merchants in each outsider town is to offer tickets aboard ships to the other towns, e.g. a Durham to York ticket would cost 100 gold or something, and the trip would take 50 AP, a significant reduction in AP to get from town to town, but at a steep cost. This would give people major benefits for getting lots of gold, besides the ability to trade for everyday itmes like FAKs. I'm sure people could think of even more things like this. This could really add a lot to the game. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of the merchant very much and think it should be used--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 03:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I've thought about it, and I think I should add to the merchant idea. Merchants will also purchase items, but at a substantially lower rate than a trader, and only pay gold coins. For instance, a merchant would give one gold coin for five machetes, whereas the trader makes it an even trade. A gem would only bring two gold coins instead of ten. This will remove excess items from circulation (particularly those like GPS units, gems, and sharpening stones that are never broken or used up). --[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 01:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This looks like a brilliant idea, i like that the more established players wont have to search for days for a few FAKs when they have 200gc that they dont have plans for. About the cannon; i think that could link in with what somebody said about capturing towns, also (i know i'm still on about it) the trader could be made the only place to buy flintlocks, if people are still worried about balance issues. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

}}

===Boost Ad Revenue With Random Reinforcement Schedule===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=players|
suggest_description=Simon has ads on the wiki and in the game, right? Well, presumably the number of times these links are followed increases his ad revenue. I think when you click on an ad it should open the ad in a seperate window, as usual. But, there should also be a 10% chance of opening an additional window. This window would have a randomly generated code. When the code is spoken by a character in game, the character gains 10 additional AP. Obviously, this would be one time only per page hit. Increases ad revenue and gives savvy players additional AP. Everybody wins!
suggest_time=20:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments=Comment here, please.

ehh... 10% is rather high. Couldn't I just go around refreshing the page with the 10% chance of getting 10 AP? 10 AP is nice, but also high. Perhaps like 10-25 gold? Or possibly like 50 -[[User:Che|Che]] 03:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:The 'opens in new window' bit is done entirely by whichever advert provider I happen to be using at the time. As such, it's not easy/possible to add extra code to do the above suggestion. Incidentally, ProjectWonderful ads (generally the animated graphic ones) are pay-per-day rather than per click or per impression. As such it doesn't make any difference to ad revenue how often you click them. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Bridges ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players, Landscape|
suggest_description=Some sections of the river should have rapids or run fast: " You slip in the fast current and are dragged underwater. You hit your head on a rock and die." To deal with this, create bridges, with NPC "trolls" or tollmasters. "Tollmaster Troy, holding a large axe, snarls at you, "Pay me one gold coin if you want to cross this bridge!", and shakes his axe at you." Players then have the opportunity of either paying him or attacking him. A bridge allows more opportunity of player interaction, plus keep gold coins in circulation.|
suggest_time=|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

Could be tricky to implement although it's a nice idea. The random 'slip in water and hurt self' part could be done for particular stretches of water, although there are only 2 real rivers on the map at present. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:More rivers would make exploration more easy through more ready access to fresh water supplies --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::I had guessed a troll would be a dumbed down (ie. less complicated) version of the trader. He doesn't exchange anything, he just takes gold and lets you pass. If you try to pass without paying him, he hits you with his axe, for a big HP toll, or possibly fatally. The troll might have a 100 HP life like a trader, so it'd be possible to kill him if you were up for it. I'd guess he would be multilingual, so both outsiders and natives you easily understand him (therefore not putting either class of players at a disadvantage if they didn't know foreign tongues). As for the existence of rivers generally, fresh water supplies are indeed handy, but (as someone who has never encountered alligators) there should be some peril involved in navigating a river. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]
:::Yeah, Dave, some peril would be good, whether in the form of rapids, more active alligators, piranha, a disease like typhoid or whatever. Rivers historically have been useful for transportation, power and water, but also occasionally dangerous. I don't think a troll per see really fits the feel of this game, though. I, myself, have XP farmed the boundary between a river and the sea. Well, I guess technically I was in a estuary. In any case, I farmed it for weeks right next to a swamp and I think I encountered one gator.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 16:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Well not a "troll" per se, since that sounds mythical and not in the ethos of the game, but more a tollman with a bad temper. Given the colonists are ostensibly English, and Shartak is in the Spanish Main, he could be Spanish, I guess. "Fernando the Tollman" and "Pedro the Tollman"? With a silly accent? "Pay me uno gold coin if you want to cross zis bridge, amigo!" - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}
===Profile Modification: Display last kill information===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=All character profiles|
suggest_description=In a character profile, the game displays information about what the character has killed in the game - e.g. 
'''NPC kills:''' 293 (Animals: 293; Shamen: 0; Traders: 0) 
'''Natives killed:''' 6 (Raktam: 1; Dalpok: 1; Wiksik: 4) 
'''Outsiders killed:''' 3 (Derby: 0; Durham: 1; York: 1; Shipwreck: 1) 

The 'Died' line in a character profile displays information about when the character last died (if they've died) and where their death was at the hand of another character, lists which character that was -
e.g. 
'''Died:''' 11 times (last time was 200Y-MM-DD HH:MM at the hands of DarthVisor). 

This suggestion is that the 'Kills' entries in the character profile be modified to include information about the last kill - e.g.
 
'''NPC kills:''' 293 (Animals: 293; Shamen: 0; Traders: 0; last kill: Giant Squid) 
'''Natives killed:''' 6 (Raktam: 1; Dalpok: 1; Wiksik: 4; last kill: Suggestiondox) 
'''Outsiders killed:''' 3 (Derby: 0; Durham: 1; York: 1; Shipwreck: 1; last kill: Nyarlathotep) 

if that's possible to be implemented.
|
suggest_time=00:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Simon! Part of the original suggestion was to have 'last kill' information for NPC kills - e.g. last kill: a parrot - as well, is that doable at all?--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::Implemented. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Digging inside huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=UI improvement|
suggest_scope=Digging skill|
suggest_description=I have a "dig a hole" button inside huts, but whenever I click it, it tells me that no matter how badly I want to, I can't dig there. If we really can't dig inside huts, perhaps the button should be removed while in huts.|
suggest_time=13:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]]|
suggest_comments=

Valid point - except it's hard to tell the difference between being inside a hut and inside a tunnel and perhaps you'll be able to dig in tunnels later on. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Ok, how about that? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Policy Discussion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!
}}

=== Invite messages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Alteration to game|
suggest_scope=Invite text|
suggest_description=I suggest that clan leaders, when they invite someone to join their clan, be able to add a brief message onto the invite. That way, they can give reasons why they think that person would be happy with their clan. This will result in people having a better idea on whether or not they want to join the clan.|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Sounds great --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
}}

===UI: Heal Patient as possible action ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=UI improvement|
suggest_scope=Player User Interface|
suggest_description=At the moment, the user interface has two options under 'Possible Actions:' for interaction with other characters - '''Attack''' ''target'' with ''weapon''; and '''Give''' ''money'' to ''creditor''.

This suggestion is to add an additional option under 'Possible Actions:' - '''Heal''' ''patient'' with ''item'', where item can be healing herb, first aid kit, bottle of water etc.

This UI improvement would make healing a lot easier with no having to scroll to find the item in your inventory. It would appear dynamically when appropriate (much like the current attack option only appears when there is a target).

Allowing the active character to use different items would allow the use of bottles of water (etc) to heal others, as suggested by Simon's comment on [[Suggestions:Items#Use_FAK_on_Others_Text_Change]]:

It was originally coded to allow you to help someone to drink a bottle of water
/ use a first aid kit etc but at the moment you can only use a fak on them so
I've reworded it. --Simon 08:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

|
suggest_time=08:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

#Actually, I'm fine with it as it is now. I think that if we add too much to the main interface, then it's going to soon become confusing. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 17:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I've updated the suggestion a little.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Town Hall/Chieftain's Hut===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Addition|
suggest_scope=Every multi-hut camp|
suggest_description=In order to make the game friendly to newbies, I propose that each camp has graphically distinct building smack in the center of the town. This building, when approached, would have permanent, non-erasable directions to the shaman, trader's hut, ammo hut, and medical hut. For further interest, it might be possible to allow the hall to allow "posters" within. They'd work much like signposts, with a short title besides each poster, but players can click on the button on the poster in order to read the full text attached. Said posters can have general advice for newbies, news reports, or clan recruitment posters. Naturally, some form of expiration and a limit on the amount of posters allowed is required. The final benefit of such a building would be that it becomes a natural center for political debate in-game.

|
suggest_time=05:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Tomn|Tomn]]|
suggest_comments=

I like that. Sounds pretty cool. Would the pirates have a Captain's Cabin then? --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I suppose so. I excluded the pirates at first due to the fact that unlike the other camps, they don't really have any empty huts to confuse new players with. Still, the pirates deserve clan recruitment, news reports, and newbie advice too!--[[User:Tomn|Tomn]] 07:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'd just like to point out that the vital thing is for there to be a conspicuous building with directions permanently carved into it. The whole posters thing is gravy intended to make things even easier for newbies, but the city hall/chieftan's hut/captain's cabin would make things a lot easier for incoming players who don't have the slightest clue what to do.--[[User:Tomn|Tomn]] 20:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Campfire===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Making fire, and a skill to make it easier|
suggest_scope=Applies to all people|
suggest_description=
*You spend 5 AP breaking twigs and preparing kindling with the featherstick method. this can stay in your inventory as 'Fire kit/Kindling/Tinder' until you use a sharpening stone and a knife to spark it, which can blunt your knife, by clicking on the kindling in yor inventory while in possession of the stone and knife/dagger.
*When you light a fire, it appears as a description on your square (or an icon?) something along the lines of 'There is a campfire here'. When you're within 5 squares of the fire, you should get a message appearing on your screen in the description about being able to smell smoke, hear the crackling or see the light.
*The fire scares away all types of animals, stopping you from being attacked in the night. It could also; improve whatever searches you make, scar the ground when the fire is destroyed or runs out and/or improve the effects of HP restoring items. or even make you automaticaly recover HP, or recover AP faster.
*Can cauterise a bleeding wound for 10 HP, stopping the bleeding but damaging you further.
*Skills:
'''Basic Bushcraft''' - Light fires for 5AP rahter than unskilled 10 AP

'''Advanced Bushcraft''' - Light larger fires (for cauterising, possibly cooking and distilation of salt water?)|
suggest_time=10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rozen|Rozen]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

===Trade Goods===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=
*Named or unnamed items that players can trade between towns but NOT find laying around. 'A box of goods' or 'A box of clothes/food/soap/jewelery?' which raised the question of different grades of good; 'High quality trade goods' or 'Low quality trade goods'
*You buy them in your home town for say 10gc, making the investment. and sell them to another town for a higher price, which will always be at least 12gc. This encourages better interaction between players.
*You could still of course, trade the old stuff like booze and cutlasses, but this'd be a purely trade addition, which perhaps you would even recieve after killing someone who was carrying it?
.|
suggest_time=10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rozen|Rozen]]|
suggest_comments=

This suggestion was originaly made on the forum, so if your idea hasn't been carried through, please re-state it below. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

}}

===More Economic Information===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Addition|
suggest_scope=Statistics Page|
suggest_description=Currently, the statistics page only shows who the richest players are, not what the total amount of money is, nor which the richest clan is.
That is why I am suggesting this: have the statistics page show how much gold there is on Shartak (by summing up the gold of all active players), and also have it show the richest clans of the island (by summing up the amount of gold each active clan member has).
This would significantly enhance the economical aspect of the game, in my opinion.|
suggest_time=15:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

The 'total gold' suggestion I think would be great - however, in thinking about it, the richest clans may have an issue in that a player can control if their character appears in the rich list as anonymous - but remaining anonymous when your clan is in the 'wealthy clans' list may not be so easy? --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I must admit that I can't think of any good solution for that.
:But I don't think it will really be a problem, because in a clan with multiple members, it is unclear who has exactly what amount of gold.
:Something that would help, however, would be giving clan administrators the option to exclude their clan from the list of richest clans, just like individual players can exclude themselves from the list of richest players. [[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]] 10:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


}}

Suggestions:Miscellaneous

2007-06-20T15:12:58Z

0000FF Beard: More economical information

{{Suggestions header|page_type=Miscellaneous}}

== Miscellaneous ==

===Entrance text===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New text|
suggest_scope=Entering places|
suggest_description=At the moment, if as a ghost I enter a hut (at any rate), I get the message "You step inside." As I leave, I get "You climb outside." Now I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that ghosts are supposed to 'float through the jungle' and whatnot, so shouldn't the same apply to buildings. I suggest that the text be changed to something like "you float through the wall" - or something better, I'll leave that to Simon.|
suggest_time=19:50, 24th February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:slayerofmuffins|slayerofmuffins]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}
===Plantable-Plants===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=A player would be able to plant a seed or berry to have a bush grow with a slim chance of success. It may need some watering and a little time to grow. It would function like a normal tree or berry bush, and appear in a block's description. It would last until the block it was in is chopped past a certain density, so it would not work on a beach. Overgrowth by random weeds would also destroy it. It doesn't need to show up on the map as an icon. There might be a small XP reward for successfully planting one.|
suggest_time=05:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=

This sounds like the suggested [http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/Suggestions:Skills#Planting.2Fagriculture Planting/Agriculture] skill. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 19:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:This idea is simpler and doesn't require a new skill.--[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 22:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

}}

===Temporary Shelter===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=With quite a few pieces of driftwood, a player would be able to erect a temporary hut, for a small XP reward. If making an enterable hut is too costly on the server and/or its maintainers, then make it simply create a square in which a player is not so suceptible to attack by animals or any sort of weather implemented in the future. The hut would last until either it collapsed on its own, if improperly maintained(by adding driftwood every few days), or if attacked by another player or animal. Weather may even knock it down. This would be a fairly simple terrain type, so any additions by game implementers would work very well.|
suggest_time=05:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=



}}

===Player NotePad===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players|
suggest_description=Players need a little notepad that they can keep notes on in their profile. Notes that only they can see, such as locations of certain places of interest they have found, or plans they want to keep for the next day's AP spending or roleplaying. This would work like the player desciption, easily editable and update-able. I'd use it to keep the coordinates of berry bushes I'd find in my area I patrol.|
suggest_time=05:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Lantz|Lantz]]|
suggest_comments=



}}

=== Tunnels ===
Tunnels underneath the island lead to interesting places.

''Comments''
:How do you know they don't exist? :) [[User:Dr._J|Dr. J]]
::Tunnels underneath the island '''lead to interesting places.''' --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:43, 8 June 2006 (BST)
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=== Treasure to capture ===
"Capture the flag" type objective, in this case the flags are treasure from each village. Bonus points in the form of XP or gold coins to be awarded to the holder of the treasure at certain intervals.

''Comments''
:I would like to modify this slightly Mystery Suggester. Please see the '''[[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#Unique_Item_Hunt|Unique Item Hunt]]''' suggestion. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 08:40, 5 March 2006 (GMT)
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=== Player VS Player Interaction ===
I would propoese a to hit % penalty for attacking members of same Home location. I believe this will promote exploration and perhaps offer a measure of protection of newly "birthed" population. As a recent victim of death by the hands of a warrior from my own villiage this has a bit of appeal to me ;). - [[User:Nankilstlas|Nan]]

''Comments''
:Instead of a hit % penalty, what about reducing or eliminating XP earned for such attacks? It would be similar to the ZvZ penalty used in UrbanDead, and its easier to rationalize not getting as much experience fighting one of your own than to rationalize that its harder to hit your own people for some reason. --[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 19:52, 27 February 2006 (GMT)

:The to hit penalty and the lack of XP should be combined to discourage intravillage conflicts but only on nonclan members(so clans from the same village can fight with each other to simulate a power struggle for leadership), extend this to shamans as well, as its not often the village shaman gets killed by an out-of-towner. --[[User:Daylan|Daylan]] 00:27, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

:I don't like this idea--especially with the inclusion of pirates in the game. It makes sense for pirates to trun on each other now and then, or to turn to pillaging from one of the outsider towns. All of a sudden, for our good RPing we get a reduced chance to hit and no XP?--[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 07:30, 29 March 2006 (BST)

:I have suggested a full non player vs player implementation at [[Suggestions:Game_mechanics#PvP_Protection]]. --[[User:Iamtas|Iamtas]] 10:10, 13 April 2006 (BST)

:Players already get less XP for attacking someone from their own camp, and no kill bonus (if I remember correctly). You would still gain a bit of experience from fighting with your own, just not quite as much as when it's a life or death situation against someone hostile. Do we really need this suggestion to be implemented? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:28, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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=== Spirit Movement ===

A couple thoughts on this topic.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 02:29, 6 March 2006 (GMT)

*My character has the "trekking" skill, but as a spirit, actually moves '''slower''' (1 AP per square) than when he's alive! Spirits should move '''at least''' as fast as someone skilled at traversing terrain.
::Perhaps spirits have less impetus than live characters --[[User:Dr. J|Dr. J]] 18:55, 7 March 2006 (GMT)

*Spirits move effortlessly through the thickest jungle, water, swamp--as it should be. Why should mountains be an impediment?
:Perhaps there's some kind of mineral in the mountain that prevents the spirit from passing through it.. could be mined later on to spirit-proof huts or something (clutching at straws here, can you tell) ?
:They also can't move through the deepest water, but that is the boundary of the game I'm guessing.

So what's the suggestion here? Perhaps this belongs in the Talk page instead? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 17:51, 27 May 2006 (BST)

:Is the suggestion that spirits can move for 0.5AP instead of 1AP regardless of terrain? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

::Fast-moving spirits don't make sense to me. Zipping across Shartak by dying doesn't seem right (unless you're contacting the home shaman). I prefer the idea of a spirit that is somewhat "bound" to their site of death. A high fixed movement cost per square (1AP or 2AP) creates this binding effect. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 05:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:The main problem with this suggestion is that it lets spirits travel faster than everyone but explorers (since heavy jungle sometimes gets in a trekker's way), meaning that if you're dead and have somewhere to be, it's better to float across the island than walk across it. This means fewer visible people in the jungle and fewer player interactions overall. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 05:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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===Player Titles===

To supplement the explored/killed statistics, give players rank titles based on percentiles. For example, if Jack is in the bottom 10% of explorers and the 30th percentile of hunters, his profile would show him as "Greenhorn Jack the Good Shot", if Sheila is in the top 10% killers and middle 50 explorer, she would be "The Adventurous Sheila, Grandmaster Hunter", and [[User:Murk|Murk]] would simply be "Demigod Murk". The titles would be determined once a day like the stats, only apply to active players, and only take active players into consideration when determining percentile. This will help statistics be more relevant to all players, as once time goes on and new players start, the top 100 may be quite a distant goal. --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 04:15, 10 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
:I like it. It adds flavor to the game. I also agree that this system should be based on dynamic percentiles to allow for new players to compete with some of the more established ranking players. A static listing would be incredibly difficult for newcomers to break into. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:12, 11 March 2006 (GMT)

*This could be done in a similar manner to the rogue elephants and ferocious tigers that we have now. Several questions need to be answered first.
:* A title for every player or just those in the weekly top A% of whatever chart?
:* Just to be displayed in the profile or in the location description as well e.g. Here you can see [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=1850 Fatninja], the hunter, and [http://www.shartak.com/profile.cgi?id=6 Leaky Bocks].
:* What kind of statistics would need to be kept for this to work?
::* areas explored for the explorer titles - not a problem, we have the top 20 explorers this week already, it can be expanded to include however many players are required to make it work since it's just a case of manipulating the raw data differently.
::* animal kills for the hunter titles? specific types of animals killed e.g "Bob the parrot killer", "Fred the big game hunter", "Bert the murderer" (pkills) rather than just all animals killed?
::* something for some other kind of title, trading perhaps? "Tycho the master salesperson" for example ;)
:* Of the above, the explorer titles are the easiest to do. Kills will need some adjusting because there are no database timestamps on kills at the moment, just raw quantities as seen on the [http://www.shartak.com/statkills.html kill statistics] page..
:--[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:: A title for every character, with the top A% appearing in the location description and profile pages, and everyone else only appearing in the profile page - this lets everyone know where they stand and keeps the location page less cluttered. For statistics, some records for healers and wailers should be kept in addition to trading, like HP healed (modified by recipient's travelling/trading/killing stats), number of times screamed/shrieked/wailed (balanced for severity of attack), number of trades (modified by number of towns trades were done in and rarity of item). Kills in particular to the animal that has been killed would be more distinctive and flavourful - should it also be in particular to the town (or clan??) for pkills, making "the Butcher of York" an official title?

:: Weekly tabulating of titles will make them very transient. Perhaps once a title is acquired it is kept so long as you're halfway to that title each successive week (not affecting others gaining the same title if they're in the appropriate rankings)? --[[User:Frisco|Frisco]] 15:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

::I thought a little bit about this after I made that early comment. It becomes fairly hard for a newbie to compete with the existing stat leaders regardless if the awards were static or scaling. I think the best way to handle this is a two-tiered approach, one that rewards players for accomplishing static minor goals and one that rewards players for being the highest rank. The latter is already accomplished through the statistics, but the former has not been addressed. Most of what follows is inspired by a [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=173904 draft suggestion] on the Urban Dead wiki and my experience with Nexus War. I see these award descriptions appearing only on the profile pages to cut down on clutter. Each degree of award is assigned at some arbitrary number. Perhaps 10, 100, 500 (with more titles developed as the game progresses). When a player achieves a target number, an award flag is raised. Every 24 hour period, the server will compute the rankings and append a prefix or suffix to the player's existing award.
::* Area explored - Wanderer, Traveller, Adventurer
:::Bonus prefixes for top-ranking explorers: Top 1% - Worldly, Top 5% - Experienced, Top 20% - (e.g., Worldly Adventurer)
::* Hasn't killed anyone - Pacifist
::* Killed animals - Herder, Hunter, Slayer
:::Bonus prefixes to state which type of animal the player has killed the most (e.g., Wild Boar Herder, Elephant Hunter, Special Slayer)
::* Killed opposing side - Killer, Fighter, Conqueror
::* Killed same side - Turncoat, Backstabber, Traitor
:::Bonus prefixes for top-ranking killers: Top 1% - Bloodthirsty, Top 5% - Fierce, Top 20% - Brutal (e.g., Bloodthirsty Conqueror, Bloodthirsty Traitor, Bloodthirsty Wild Boar Slayer).

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===Inventory Limit===

I think I would like to have an indication of how much of my inventory limit is being used up. :D --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 22:12, 11 March 2006 (GMT)
* The inventory is somewhat flexible in size (+/- 2) so wouldn't be completely foolproof if represented as "(x/y)" appended to the inventory header, I could do something like a small bit of text just below the header like "You can carry lots more" "You can carry more things" "You can't carry much more" "You might be able to carry a couple more things" "You can't carry anything else". The question is though, is it just you that wants this feature? If so, you might be able to do something clever with greasemonkey. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:02, 14 April 2006 (BST)
* Ah. In that case, a greasemonkey script would be fine. I imagine it would require a little list of all the inventory item names and then a size value assigned to each. Then parse through the list and do simple addition and display the result. I might try my hand at it, but I don't promise anything. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:13, 14 April 2006 (BST)
**"is it just you that wants this feature?" Hmm, I assumed everyone would want this feature. Perhaps "your inventory is getting full" and "your inventory is full" would be sufficient warning, but inventory size info seems valuable. Also, the Trader won't give me a rifle for my bananas (you can't carry more) even though I'm giving away much more than I'm getting -- the trading mechanism appears to check for overload based on carrying both the given and received items. Perhaps a feature... but he's the guy who owns an entire hut, you'd think he'd be willing to carry both during the transaction rather than requiring me to shoulder the burden. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 09:10, 29 April 2006 (BST)
***<Bump.> Also, why not "(x/y)" appended to the inventory header? If the game code can figure out whether or not the inventory is full, it seems that the player could be able to figure out the same info. Even a simple load indication "(x)" would work fine, if the worry is that total inventory capacity 70-74 depends on quirky variable info rather than being static based on class. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:36, 15 May 2006 (BST) Besides which, seems like most everyone has an inventory limit of 71 now. (2 for blowpipes or rifles, 0 for gold coins.) --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:31, 20 May 2006 (BST)
*See the last list item at [[The_Shartak_Wiki:Community_Portal#Greasemonkey_scripts]]. — [[User:Elembis|Elembis]] ([[User talk:Elembis|talk]]) 07:51, 28 May 2006 (BST)
* Still needed/wanted or is the greasemonkey script sufficient? Would this change if, for example, backpacks or some other means of carrying extra items was implemented? Inventory size: 23/90 --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
** It would be nice to have an official inventory counter mechanic as I believe the script is based on a handful of assumptions (inventory size for all classes is 71, gold coins are weightless, ranged weapons have weight of 2 units) and will require testing and updating whenever a new item is added. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 19:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
* Ok, this has been added...
<nowiki>36 / 70</nowiki>
but the invsize style is set to display:none by default - override it to get it to display alongside the inventory header. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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===In-game Rankings===

I was noticing recently that one of my characters seemed to have killed a lot of parrots lately. I realizing that such information is tracked on the game stats page, but not necessarily everyone looks at it, and I thought it might be fun to have something in-game to acknowledge the player who has killed the most creatures of each type. Maybe a line is added to the player's description page, or the color of their name is different, or a mysterious "crown of the fallen parrots" appears in their inventory--no real impact, just bragging rights. It should be easy enough to implement, and might add a little intrigue.--[[User:Jackel|Jackel]] 01:03, 16 March 2006 (GMT)

''Comments''
* See the player titles suggestion further up! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
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=== Wiki: table CSS ===

It would be nice if there were a class set up in the wiki's CSS file so that we could make attractive tables (see my ugly, hackish one on [[Tips and tricks]]). I tried to edit [[WikiMedia:Common.css]] but it's edit-locked. --[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]] 16:14, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
* I don't know that WikiMedia:Common.css is the right thing to edit - That link takes me off to an external site! --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:09, 23 March 2006 (GMT)
** What the heck! Ha, sorry. Now I can't find the page on either this wiki or the WikiMedia page. Weird. Well anyhow, it would be nice to have a useful table class. Thanks, Simon.
*** What kind of table class? Do you mean something to give a particular title bar, and row colours? Similar to the one on the front page. Got an example of what you'd put in the css file? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 11:58, 3 April 2006 (BST)
**** Colors aren't too important, I was more concerned with borders. Something simple like:
table.bordered, table.bordered td {
border: 1px solid black;

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=== Pets ===

''Discussion of Pets has been moved to the existing [[Suggestions:Game mechanics#Pet System|Pet System]] suggestion.''
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===ruins===
the ruins in the game are mostly for show, and that can be aggravating at times, as i would love to "explore" ruins more if there was something there. i am suggesting several things such as:
*unique, ruin only monsters
*special items found only in ruins
*if quests are implemented, a quest location

this is a very vague suggestion, but i feel that alot of the ruins on the map are just too bland. i camped out at ruins with my character "Richard Rose" and i stayed there for a week (in real time) because there was nothing better to do. and nothing and i mean NOTHING passed by, no game, no fruit trees, no players. it was completely desolate, and i am just suggesting several "interesting" components for ruins.

'''Comments:'''
*I have to agree that last I checked, the Ruins seemed like a total bust. Fifty searches yielded worse than the typical Jungle average. No events triggered, no creatures, no spirits, no variable flavor descriptions.
:* "As the wind blows through the ruined arch, you hear the spirit voices of the ancestors" (gain 1 XP).
:* "You find a bundle of parrot feathers tied to a leather strap. The spirit magic of this amulet has long since faded away." (junk item that could be implemented with magic/spirits later).
:* "Ghosts of the ancient dead chill your soul" (lose 2 HP, gain 2 XP).
:* "Sliding the heavy iron lid to one side, you discover [[The Conch|The Conch(tm)]]!"
:...And so on. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 22:56, 15 May 2006 (BST)
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===Wind===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Game Element Addition|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=
Add the concept of wind to the game. Could be either constant (always from the west) or random over time, possibly even dependant on the side of the island you're on. For now, including a changing wind speed (10mph to 30mph) may be overly complex. Wind can affect spirit movement, pigeon delivery times, fire movement, etc.|
suggest_time=16:54, 14 April 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Frisco|Frisco]]|
suggest_comments=

* Working this out technically might be a bit much, but I would like to see similar environmental variables on the island. It would increase the variety in the game and provide a creative amount of unpredictability while not being outlandish. Perhaps there can be a similar effect for the water current and tide as well. I can't wait until there are hurricane-strength winds that whip around everyone unless they're safe inside the mountain tunnels. Mwahaha. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:08, 14 April 2006 (BST)
:* A tornado/hurricane would be possible, scattering players and npcs that it runs over into adjacent squares. It would have to move every 30-60 minutes and theoretically could move players halfway across the island if it happened to throw them into the same square that it then moved into next. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 16:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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===UDTool type Firefox plugin===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Plugin|
suggest_scope=All players with Firefox|
suggest_description=I don't have any coding skills, but I'm sure many of you out there do. Currently there is no way to add people to a contact list, thus making it difficult to recoginse people. Could someone please develop a UDTool style plugin (like that seen in Urban Dead) that allows you to add player's names and assign them to groups with user defined colours? Basically just port the UDTool over to Shartak users, so when you're in a hut or square with others, you can see people you've encoutnered with a llittle bit of text to pop up at your cursor telling you why they're important to you (like the 'notes' feature in the UDTool).|
suggest_time=08:18, 27 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rip Purr|Rip Purr]]|
suggest_comments=

* This has partially been implemented in-game, we now have contact lists that identify people from the opposing side as well. That's not to say that an UDTool type plugin isn't required though. Perhaps this isn't the best place to put this suggestion though, but somewhere for the real greasemonkey wizards to see it? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:50, 12 June 2006 (BST)

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===Hide Skills===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Technical|
suggest_scope=Everyone|
suggest_description=I think it would be useful to be able to have a "Hide Skills" button which hides what skills you possess from those viewing your profile, I know many people wouldn't care but it would be useful for players whose skills don't fit with the way they roleplay. Besides who can tell how good a shot someone is simply by looking at them?|
suggest_time=08:18, 31 May 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]]|
suggest_comments=

* ''Comment removed'' --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 20:06, 6 June 2006 (BST)
** Well, hiding (as a skill) seems different from "hiding your list of skills"... although perhaps that would be a way to boost characters with Sixth Sense, who know how good a shot you are simply by looking at you. I like the effects of having fully revealed skills. Realistically, your home town should hardly be public knowledge, nor the date of your last demise, nor your killer, and so on. Perhaps a "Disguise" skill would give you access to a button that shields your character info (such as level) while you sleep (at a small AP cost). --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 21:51, 1 June 2006 (BST)
*** It makes sense. No more can I look at the victim's skills t osee how well they'll be able to track me if Ifail to kill them. ;) --[[User:Wifey|Wifey]] 23:50, 1 June 2006 (BST)
***That is another bonus to be sure, might add a little ''tang'' to your game. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 07:28, 6 June 2006 (BST)
***The problem with doing anything "while you sleep" is that it's hard to know whether you're actually not playing, or just taking a very long time between clicks. Idleness is triggered after 7 days of not doing anything, although I'm not sure if simply loading the main game page is considered to be doing something, I'd have to check. I suppose "asleep" is either something you activate on your last go and the next time you reload the page, you're awake again, or else when you haven't done anything for an arbitrary length of time (say 3 hours). --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 12:18, 9 June 2006 (BST)
****There's no issue with ''player-activated'' sleep conditions. Clicking a button ("Disguise Self 4AP" or however many AP you want it to cost) activates the Disguise. Player skills are then concealed. They remain Disguised forever until they click anything, at which point they leave the state. The state never activates automatically (in 3 hours or 7 days), because you have to pay to activate it. There are no mechanical complexities. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 23:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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===Jungle Regrowth===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= Alteration|
suggest_scope= The regrowth of the Jungle Terrain type|
suggest_description= As I understand the growth of the Jungle terrain is currently random. At any time a square of jungle can grow anywhere on the map, except for Water and Beach terrain, and when it happens to grow on a square which already contains Jungle it increases the density of that jungle by one. Now to me, this appears to conflict with one of the driving emotions of Shartak, the battle between civilisation and 'the wilds'. At the moment a player can spend a week's AP expanding the settlement's borders only to find that jungle has randomly cropped up in the middle of the settlement. This is highly demoralising and also leads to strange patches of jungle in the middle of no where. I prepose that new Jungle Terrain is formed in the following manner:

*Whenever a square of Jungle with a density above D2 or above is touching a square of D0 terrain it has a 1% chance every hour of "seeding" each D0 square with Jungle. By seeding I mean, the D0 square would become Jungle terrain with a density half that of the square that seeded it.

*Each square of Jungle (with the exception of D10) has a 7.5% chance of "growing" into the density level 1 above its current.

This would mean that roads would be harder to maintain, as they would have to be recut every 4 days or so, but settlements would be easier to maintain and expand as a dedicated weeder or two could slowly push back the borders of the settlement. I know nothing of coding so it may be a coding nightmare and the numbers may need to be tweaked, but I feel that this makes the Jungle more the second enemy that it is in all those Jungle Warfare fiction novels rather than an annoying and unrealistic random occurrence.

'''Edit''': On second thought it may just be easier to create a "coding requirment" that new Jungle Terrain appear within 3 squares of an already positioned Jungle Square. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 08:24, 6 June 2006 (BST) |
suggest_time=08:18, 6 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]]|
suggest_comments=

If I understand your comment correctly, you're bothered by the light green d1 Jungles that pop up inside settlements. It is possible that the game already uses a non-random algorithm to grow jungle; in any case, jungle does not appear to grow instantly two or more levels, so the cleanup is ongoing but minor. The crux of your suggestion could be achieved by modifying the current grow system so that d1 did not grow in a fully d0 zone. For example, the game checks a d0-d1 to make sure that there is adjacent d1+ jungle; if not, the game heads out in a random direction (or towards the center of shartak) to the last available d0 square before jungle, and grows that location d0-d1 instead. This would result in the same overall growth speed, but d0-d1 changes would occur on the boundaries rather than the interior of a paved area. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 06:55, 8 June 2006 (BST)
*Yes that probably work better with less coding work, but do you have an opinion on such a change? [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 08:36, 8 June 2006 (BST)
* There is a simple algorithm for determining growth of jungle, but it's not as clever as this, it's all to do with growth rate of the square and how often people chop it back. There is also a limit of about 10% of the island that can grow in any given day but it's not hitting the limit at the moment. Having to look at the surrounding squares would also involve having to write the growth as a script rather than a couple of lines of SQL so I'm not overly keen on this even though it would make a bit of sense. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 18:32, 8 June 2006 (BST)
*If it requires a large amount of coding work I wouldn't worry about it, theres a lot of more imporant suggestions than this one about, I just thought it may have been something you overlooked when creating the regrowth system and could perhaps be easily fixed. [[User:Kripcat|Kripcat]] 09:49, 9 June 2006 (BST)


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===Animal Meat===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type= Alteration|
suggest_scope= get meat from dead animals|
suggest_description= well it's simple you kill and animal and you can get it's meat from the corpse!or.... and also eventually the animal on the floor will run out of meat and as it says"there is a corpse of a large stag" that will not be there when it runs out of meat....[meat restores 2 HP].|
suggest_time=04:52, 8 June 2006 (BST)|
suggest_author=[[User:Riddick|Riddick]]|
suggest_comments=

* There is an existing [[Suggestions:Items#Meat|meat suggestion]]. --[[User:Lint|Lint]] 06:32, 8 June 2006 (BST)

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===Breakable weapons===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Weapon alteration|
suggest_scope=All weapons|
suggest_description=I'd like to propose that all weapons break occassionally. At the moment, cutlasses and machetes do, but I don't think any other weapons do. This means that there is a surplus of rifles and blowpipes on the island, as they continue to be produced, but are never destroyed. It makes perfect sense for a rifle or blowpipe to break (poor handling or poor workmanship?). Additionally, once someone acquires a heavy sword, it is theirs permanently (to my knowledge). If it was breakable, it would be both more realistic and less unbalancing. That being said, the very name "heavy sword" implies that it is strongly built, so perhaps it should have a significantly lower chance of breaking than a machete or cutlass.|
suggest_time=10:25, 19 July 2006|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

* Also take a look at Suggestions:Items, where there is a Remove Uber Sword of Doom (aka Heavy Sword) discussion. If I recall correctly, both Simon and Jones Dye have implied that heavy swords do break. I'm not sure why the name "heavy sword" suggests anything other than the sword weighing a lot. Whether it breaks a little or a lot, the heavy sword is still by far the best item in the game, and would still be superior even if it did 1 less damage and broke with normal frequency. Rifles and blowpipes are common - it would be fine for them to have a slight breakage chance. --[[User:Tycho44|Tycho44]] 16:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
**To me, heavy implies it's either thick or otherwise stronger. However, that's just my personal take on it, and it's not really a major point. My main suggestion is that any weapon should have a chance of breaking. Otherwise, there will be a surplus. Incidentally, I saw the "Uber Sword of Doom" entry, but given that this covers all weapons, I thought it best to create a separate topic. Thank you for your input, by the way. - [[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]
* I agree weapons should break occasionally, but I especially would like to see machetes and knives dull with use more often (I dont know if I have ever personally had this happen [though I've heard it does happen], and I've been playing for nearly 7 months), thereby changing your machete into a blunt machete (there arent blunt knives/blunt cutlasses in the game, as far as i know. maybe there should be). Rifles should occasionally explode, too, destroying the weapon and giving you 10 damage or something. Those old-fashioned rifles would occassionally do that. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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===Secret Shop===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=new addition|
suggest_scope= |
suggest_description= I like to see the introduction of secret shops (traders) to Shartak which allow players to purchase hard to find items (heavy sword or charms) and/or special/unique (non-searchable) items at hyper-inflated prices say between (100 to 1000 gold coins). Accesses to such shops are either treacherous (crossing an area full of giant squids in deep water) or complex (requiring the completion of puzzles/quests) or time specific (opening for one day a year) or possibly a combination of all three. This would thus open up gameplay potential for high level players who have maxed out or allow players to get certain items without having to leave it up to chance. Potentially I see such shops being placed in ruins, islands or caves to promote exploration.|
suggest_time=09:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:A for anarchy|A for anarchy]]|
suggest_comments=

The shop should move every now and then, so that it may be re-discovered by different people. --[[User:Lantz|Lantz]] 04:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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===Merchants===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=New Addition|
suggest_scope=All settlements|
suggest_description=At the moment, gold coins are fairly easy to get, but they aren't in much demand. You can use them to trade, but they aren't removed from circulation. Since new gold coins are constantly added, this means the value will steadily decline as scarcity decreases.

I suggest splitting the trading and merchant functions. The trader will continue to trade, but he will cease making his high speed runs to the ammo hut to replenish his stock. He will work solely with what people trade with him. However, there would also be a merchant. He would accept only gold coins as payment, but would have unlimited stocks. To reduce the chance for abuse, he would charge grossly inflated prices. For example, a med kit runs about 2 gold coins under ordinary circumstances. The merchant would charge 8 to 10. He would act as a guaranteed source of supply, but you would pay dearly for the convenience. Spending 200 gold coins would only get 20-25 med kits at this price. Thus, newcomers without much money would not be particularly disadvantaged, since they could just search for what they need, but established players would be able to stock up on items they actually need. Additionally, the merchant would only sell items that can be found in that settlement. GPS could not be bought at the shipwreck, and rum could not be purchased in native villages. Other possible alterations are linking the price to demand or adjusting price to match the item's find rate (e.g. FAK's are harder to find at the shipwreck, so the price will be higher).

The primary purpose of this policy is to serve as a "gold sink". Gold coins spent at the merchant are removed from circulation, reducing the inflation inherent in Shartak's current economic model. That being said, this is a very rough guess, and I'm sure there are flaws I've missed. Please offer any input you may have.|
suggest_time=16:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Very good suggestion. Also, some major new expensive items that would only be able to be bought from the all-purpose merchant (not found by searching). I was thinking some time ago about being able to buy a cannon for 500 gold coins, which would serve as a means to actually hold a position and provide heavy defensive ability, it would fire on any enemy that comes within a square of it, and if it hits would inflict 50 damage. The specifics could be worked out. Another idea for merchants in each outsider town is to offer tickets aboard ships to the other towns, e.g. a Durham to York ticket would cost 100 gold or something, and the trip would take 50 AP, a significant reduction in AP to get from town to town, but at a steep cost. This would give people major benefits for getting lots of gold, besides the ability to trade for everyday itmes like FAKs. I'm sure people could think of even more things like this. This could really add a lot to the game. [[User:Arminius|Arminius]] 00:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of the merchant very much and think it should be used--[[User:Michael edwards|Michael edwards]] 03:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I've thought about it, and I think I should add to the merchant idea. Merchants will also purchase items, but at a substantially lower rate than a trader, and only pay gold coins. For instance, a merchant would give one gold coin for five machetes, whereas the trader makes it an even trade. A gem would only bring two gold coins instead of ten. This will remove excess items from circulation (particularly those like GPS units, gems, and sharpening stones that are never broken or used up). --[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]] 01:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This looks like a brilliant idea, i like that the more established players wont have to search for days for a few FAKs when they have 200gc that they dont have plans for. About the cannon; i think that could link in with what somebody said about capturing towns, also (i know i'm still on about it) the trader could be made the only place to buy flintlocks, if people are still worried about balance issues. [[User:Rozen|Rozen]]

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===Boost Ad Revenue With Random Reinforcement Schedule===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=players|
suggest_description=Simon has ads on the wiki and in the game, right? Well, presumably the number of times these links are followed increases his ad revenue. I think when you click on an ad it should open the ad in a seperate window, as usual. But, there should also be a 10% chance of opening an additional window. This window would have a randomly generated code. When the code is spoken by a character in game, the character gains 10 additional AP. Obviously, this would be one time only per page hit. Increases ad revenue and gives savvy players additional AP. Everybody wins!
suggest_time=20:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments=Comment here, please.

ehh... 10% is rather high. Couldn't I just go around refreshing the page with the 10% chance of getting 10 AP? 10 AP is nice, but also high. Perhaps like 10-25 gold? Or possibly like 50 -[[User:Che|Che]] 03:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:The 'opens in new window' bit is done entirely by whichever advert provider I happen to be using at the time. As such, it's not easy/possible to add extra code to do the above suggestion. Incidentally, ProjectWonderful ads (generally the animated graphic ones) are pay-per-day rather than per click or per impression. As such it doesn't make any difference to ad revenue how often you click them. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Bridges ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Improvement|
suggest_scope=Players, Landscape|
suggest_description=Some sections of the river should have rapids or run fast: " You slip in the fast current and are dragged underwater. You hit your head on a rock and die." To deal with this, create bridges, with NPC "trolls" or tollmasters. "Tollmaster Troy, holding a large axe, snarls at you, "Pay me one gold coin if you want to cross this bridge!", and shakes his axe at you." Players then have the opportunity of either paying him or attacking him. A bridge allows more opportunity of player interaction, plus keep gold coins in circulation.|
suggest_time=|
suggest_author=[[User:FirstAmongstDaves|FirstAmongstDaves]]|
suggest_comments=

Could be tricky to implement although it's a nice idea. The random 'slip in water and hurt self' part could be done for particular stretches of water, although there are only 2 real rivers on the map at present. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 20:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:More rivers would make exploration more easy through more ready access to fresh water supplies --[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 22:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::I had guessed a troll would be a dumbed down (ie. less complicated) version of the trader. He doesn't exchange anything, he just takes gold and lets you pass. If you try to pass without paying him, he hits you with his axe, for a big HP toll, or possibly fatally. The troll might have a 100 HP life like a trader, so it'd be possible to kill him if you were up for it. I'd guess he would be multilingual, so both outsiders and natives you easily understand him (therefore not putting either class of players at a disadvantage if they didn't know foreign tongues). As for the existence of rivers generally, fresh water supplies are indeed handy, but (as someone who has never encountered alligators) there should be some peril involved in navigating a river. - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]
:::Yeah, Dave, some peril would be good, whether in the form of rapids, more active alligators, piranha, a disease like typhoid or whatever. Rivers historically have been useful for transportation, power and water, but also occasionally dangerous. I don't think a troll per see really fits the feel of this game, though. I, myself, have XP farmed the boundary between a river and the sea. Well, I guess technically I was in a estuary. In any case, I farmed it for weeks right next to a swamp and I think I encountered one gator.--[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]] 16:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Well not a "troll" per se, since that sounds mythical and not in the ethos of the game, but more a tollman with a bad temper. Given the colonists are ostensibly English, and Shartak is in the Spanish Main, he could be Spanish, I guess. "Fernando the Tollman" and "Pedro the Tollman"? With a silly accent? "Pay me uno gold coin if you want to cross zis bridge, amigo!" - [[FirstAmongstDaves]]

}}
===Profile Modification: Display last kill information===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=improvement|
suggest_scope=All character profiles|
suggest_description=In a character profile, the game displays information about what the character has killed in the game - e.g. 
'''NPC kills:''' 293 (Animals: 293; Shamen: 0; Traders: 0) 
'''Natives killed:''' 6 (Raktam: 1; Dalpok: 1; Wiksik: 4) 
'''Outsiders killed:''' 3 (Derby: 0; Durham: 1; York: 1; Shipwreck: 1) 

The 'Died' line in a character profile displays information about when the character last died (if they've died) and where their death was at the hand of another character, lists which character that was -
e.g. 
'''Died:''' 11 times (last time was 200Y-MM-DD HH:MM at the hands of DarthVisor). 

This suggestion is that the 'Kills' entries in the character profile be modified to include information about the last kill - e.g.
 
'''NPC kills:''' 293 (Animals: 293; Shamen: 0; Traders: 0; last kill: Giant Squid) 
'''Natives killed:''' 6 (Raktam: 1; Dalpok: 1; Wiksik: 4; last kill: Suggestiondox) 
'''Outsiders killed:''' 3 (Derby: 0; Durham: 1; York: 1; Shipwreck: 1; last kill: Nyarlathotep) 

if that's possible to be implemented.
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suggest_time=00:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

Implemented. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 22:02, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Simon! Part of the original suggestion was to have 'last kill' information for NPC kills - e.g. last kill: a parrot - as well, is that doable at all?--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 02:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::Implemented. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 19:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Digging inside huts===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=UI improvement|
suggest_scope=Digging skill|
suggest_description=I have a "dig a hole" button inside huts, but whenever I click it, it tells me that no matter how badly I want to, I can't dig there. If we really can't dig inside huts, perhaps the button should be removed while in huts.|
suggest_time=13:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Vtbassmatt|VTBassMatt]]|
suggest_comments=

Valid point - except it's hard to tell the difference between being inside a hut and inside a tunnel and perhaps you'll be able to dig in tunnels later on. --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 23:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Ok, how about that? --[[User:Simon|Simon]] 21:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

}}

=== Policy Discussion ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Discussion of policy|
suggest_scope=Suggestions page|
suggest_description=http://wiki.shartak.com/index.php/The_Shartak_Wiki_talk:Policies_and_guidelines|
suggest_time=13:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Nosimplehiway|Nosimplehiway]]|
suggest_comments= This is a policy suggestion which will impact the suggestion pages. Your input is needed. Please comment on the proposed policy there, not here. Thanks!
}}

=== Invite messages ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Alteration to game|
suggest_scope=Invite text|
suggest_description=I suggest that clan leaders, when they invite someone to join their clan, be able to add a brief message onto the invite. That way, they can give reasons why they think that person would be happy with their clan. This will result in people having a better idea on whether or not they want to join the clan.|
suggest_author=[[User:Black Joe|Black Joe]]|
suggest_comments=

Sounds great --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 17:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
}}

===UI: Heal Patient as possible action ===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=UI improvement|
suggest_scope=Player User Interface|
suggest_description=At the moment, the user interface has two options under 'Possible Actions:' for interaction with other characters - '''Attack''' ''target'' with ''weapon''; and '''Give''' ''money'' to ''creditor''.

This suggestion is to add an additional option under 'Possible Actions:' - '''Heal''' ''patient'' with ''item'', where item can be healing herb, first aid kit, bottle of water etc.

This UI improvement would make healing a lot easier with no having to scroll to find the item in your inventory. It would appear dynamically when appropriate (much like the current attack option only appears when there is a target).

Allowing the active character to use different items would allow the use of bottles of water (etc) to heal others, as suggested by Simon's comment on [[Suggestions:Items#Use_FAK_on_Others_Text_Change]]:

It was originally coded to allow you to help someone to drink a bottle of water
/ use a first aid kit etc but at the moment you can only use a fak on them so
I've reworded it. --Simon 08:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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suggest_time=08:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]]|
suggest_comments=

#Actually, I'm fine with it as it is now. I think that if we add too much to the main interface, then it's going to soon become confusing. -[[User:Mark D. Stroyer|Mark D. Stroyer]] 17:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
:I've updated the suggestion a little.--[[User:Johan Crichton|Johan Crichton]] 21:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Town Hall/Chieftain's Hut===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Addition|
suggest_scope=Every multi-hut camp|
suggest_description=In order to make the game friendly to newbies, I propose that each camp has graphically distinct building smack in the center of the town. This building, when approached, would have permanent, non-erasable directions to the shaman, trader's hut, ammo hut, and medical hut. For further interest, it might be possible to allow the hall to allow "posters" within. They'd work much like signposts, with a short title besides each poster, but players can click on the button on the poster in order to read the full text attached. Said posters can have general advice for newbies, news reports, or clan recruitment posters. Naturally, some form of expiration and a limit on the amount of posters allowed is required. The final benefit of such a building would be that it becomes a natural center for political debate in-game.

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suggest_time=05:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Tomn|Tomn]]|
suggest_comments=

I like that. Sounds pretty cool. Would the pirates have a Captain's Cabin then? --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 05:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I suppose so. I excluded the pirates at first due to the fact that unlike the other camps, they don't really have any empty huts to confuse new players with. Still, the pirates deserve clan recruitment, news reports, and newbie advice too!--[[User:Tomn|Tomn]] 07:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'd just like to point out that the vital thing is for there to be a conspicuous building with directions permanently carved into it. The whole posters thing is gravy intended to make things even easier for newbies, but the city hall/chieftan's hut/captain's cabin would make things a lot easier for incoming players who don't have the slightest clue what to do.--[[User:Tomn|Tomn]] 20:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

}}

===Campfire===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Making fire, and a skill to make it easier|
suggest_scope=Applies to all people|
suggest_description=
*You spend 5 AP breaking twigs and preparing kindling with the featherstick method. this can stay in your inventory as 'Fire kit/Kindling/Tinder' until you use a sharpening stone and a knife to spark it, which can blunt your knife, by clicking on the kindling in yor inventory while in possession of the stone and knife/dagger.
*When you light a fire, it appears as a description on your square (or an icon?) something along the lines of 'There is a campfire here'. When you're within 5 squares of the fire, you should get a message appearing on your screen in the description about being able to smell smoke, hear the crackling or see the light.
*The fire scares away all types of animals, stopping you from being attacked in the night. It could also; improve whatever searches you make, scar the ground when the fire is destroyed or runs out and/or improve the effects of HP restoring items. or even make you automaticaly recover HP, or recover AP faster.
*Can cauterise a bleeding wound for 10 HP, stopping the bleeding but damaging you further.
*Skills:
'''Basic Bushcraft''' - Light fires for 5AP rahter than unskilled 10 AP

'''Advanced Bushcraft''' - Light larger fires (for cauterising, possibly cooking and distilation of salt water?)|
suggest_time=10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rozen|Rozen]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}

===Trade Goods===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Skill, balance change, improvement, etc|
suggest_scope=Who or what it applies to|
suggest_description=
*Named or unnamed items that players can trade between towns but NOT find laying around. 'A box of goods' or 'A box of clothes/food/soap/jewelery?' which raised the question of different grades of good; 'High quality trade goods' or 'Low quality trade goods'
*You buy them in your home town for say 10gc, making the investment. and sell them to another town for a higher price, which will always be at least 12gc. This encourages better interaction between players.
*You could still of course, trade the old stuff like booze and cutlasses, but this'd be a purely trade addition, which perhaps you would even recieve after killing someone who was carrying it?
.|
suggest_time=10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:Rozen|Rozen]]|
suggest_comments=

This suggestion was originaly made on the forum, so if your idea hasn't been carried through, please re-state it below. --[[User:Rozen|Rozen]] 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

}}

===More Economic Information===
{{suggestion|
suggest_type=Addition|
suggest_scope=Statistics Page|
suggest_description=Currently, the statistics page only shows who the richest players are, not what the total amount of money is, nor which the richest clan is.
That is why I am suggesting this: have the statistics page show how much gold there is on Shartak (by summing up the gold of all active players), and also have it show the richest clans of the island (by summing up the amount of gold each active clan member has).
This would significantly enhance the economical aspect of the game, in my opinion.|
suggest_time=15:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)|
suggest_author=[[User:0000FF Beard|0000FF Beard]]|
suggest_comments=

Comment here

}}